The Mafia Parable: Basic Game OVER

[RandA lThor]

 

 

Also, cussing on purpose on a site that forbids it is just plain stupid, town or scum, because it's likely to end up getting you a mod warning eventually.

You think he forgot?

That's the only possibility that makes sense, when the other option is breaking site rules on purpose which is bound to get you warned, then punished or eventually removed from the game.

 

 

 

 

 

So you think he's cussing on purpose?

 

You think he forgot?

 

 

I don't see the point of him cussing on purpose. 

 

Thanks to both of you guys for using logic, in addition to the fact that I would never break site rules on purpose to appear more town, drawing more attention to this stupid CoC case is the last thing I'd want to do.  I'm glad I waited to post the apology I had above because it gave me this set of reactions, which is telling me a lot.  At this point, I don't think DPR is just a dumb townie, he's trying to latch onto anything he can to make someone seem scummy, which is a pretty clear scum action in itself.  Prob moving him to my scum leans at this point.

 

 

 

 

Im not a huge fan of her claiming her shot. I get why it's argued for but i dont like giving scum info they don't have. And like i mentioned, there's the possibility of a crossfire with scum's nk as they vig hunt...if the vig ends being wrong. Which minimizes town loses.

 

 

My two cents... not that it matters atp.

What does it matter that scum knows who she's going to shoot? They can't block it.

 

The bold just makes no sense at all from a town pov - no info is the worst outcome at this point, not to mention the same possibility of wasting town shots.

There are three one time vigs this game. It's certain. Her claim is self resolving either way just via the amount of hardclaims. Two shots tonight helps vet her but that can happen without her claiming her shot so i dont see the point.

 

Like i said, i was once shot by both scum and vig. So instead of two town deaths there was one. If you cant see the benefit in that, i dont know what to tell you.

 

Thirdly as of rule i dont like divulging info to scum. I dont really care if you disagree with me or not. That's just how i feel.

 

 

 

 

Interesting choice of responses. Not what I would have picked, but hey, it's your play...

I didnt see your question, princess. And my comment about no nk was at rand. Not everyrhing is about you.

 

 

 

Someone is being needy...

 

 

It all boils down to what matters more. Vetting her over possibly reducing town deaths. Both are important. But she can also be vetted by sheer numbers of claims. There isnt much in the sense of wiggle room of false claiming. I feel like Scum fake claiming vig is shooting themselves in the foot because of the open setup, but maybe i feel that way cause i seldom do it myself.

 

Also, i dont feel like adella is fibbing. Might be factoring into my rationale as well.

 

 

Also why does it matter? Because it's dumb to give scum information that they dont need to know. Why tell them who the vig is going to shoot? Beyond what i already talked about, it just seems pointless to me. It reduces their shooting pool choices, if the vig is targeting a townie.

 

 

The only point in favor of claiming i could see is if she ends up targeting a vig. That's about it. But even then if the player had to claim to avoid getting shot in the face, scum are gonna shoot that player anyhow.... so what did calling the shot actually accomplish?

 

 

I just dont like it.

 

 

Anyways gonna go get ready for bed.

 

 

You're killing me with these.

 

I stated earlier that my gut told me you were town.

 

But here we have 8 posts in a row where you don't really say anything of value, or even make a strong point. That's not TownNyn. 

 

The simple benefits to Adella calling her shot are one, that it pretty much proves she is a vig and clears her, and two, that it potentially avoids another vig getting shot. Sure, she might out another vig, but that's a smaller risk than her not proving her claim by calling it. Pretty clearly, the sooner we find and eliminate scum, the better off we are.

 

Not that I have some town read on Nyn, but the posts I bolded (5/8) are things related to the game, so idk where you're saying she doesn't say anything of value.  In fact, her points on vig not revealing their shot actually make more logical sense than your points, so I don't even know where you're going with this.

[Darthe]

Rise and shine, we've a story to tell.  Onward you must go, to destiny, but unfortunately one will never come to join you.  I'd like to apologize for that, it's quite a grim thing it appears that LedZepMan, town vanilla has died.  That is much too grim, how about we lighten the mood with a little music?

 

 

CLICK HERE TO LIGHTEN MOOD.

 

 

Much better!  Now, how many do we have left?  One, two three... Six, Seven... Nine...  Nine?  Hmm, we're missing one.  Well, Adella, Town 1x Vigilante is dead too I suppose, but don't worry.  I won't hold it against you.

 

You monsters.

 

 

Shall we continue?

[Gentled Ben]

Despite his potty mouth, Rand is persuading me concerning both calling the shot a

 

 

 

 

Also, cussing on purpose on a site that forbids it is just plain stupid, town or scum, because it's likely to end up getting you a mod warning eventually.

You think he forgot?

That's the only possibility that makes sense, when the other option is breaking site rules on purpose which is bound to get you warned, then punished or eventually removed from the game.

 

 

 

 

 

So you think he's cussing on purpose?

 

You think he forgot?

 

 

I don't see the point of him cussing on purpose. 

 

Thanks to both of you guys for using logic, in addition to the fact that I would never break site rules on purpose to appear more town, drawing more attention to this stupid CoC case is the last thing I'd want to do.  I'm glad I waited to post the apology I had above because it gave me this set of reactions, which is telling me a lot.  At this point, I don't think DPR is just a dumb townie, he's trying to latch onto anything he can to make someone seem scummy, which is a pretty clear scum action in itself.  Prob moving him to my scum leans at this point.

 

 

 

 

Im not a huge fan of her claiming her shot. I get why it's argued for but i dont like giving scum info they don't have. And like i mentioned, there's the possibility of a crossfire with scum's nk as they vig hunt...if the vig ends being wrong. Which minimizes town loses.


My two cents... not that it matters atp.

What does it matter that scum knows who she's going to shoot? They can't block it.

The bold just makes no sense at all from a town pov - no info is the worst outcome at this point, not to mention the same possibility of wasting town shots.

There are three one time vigs this game. It's certain. Her claim is self resolving either way just via the amount of hardclaims. Two shots tonight helps vet her but that can happen without her claiming her shot so i dont see the point.

Like i said, i was once shot by both scum and vig. So instead of two town deaths there was one. If you cant see the benefit in that, i dont know what to tell you.

Thirdly as of rule i dont like divulging info to scum. I dont really care if you disagree with me or not. That's just how i feel.

 

 

 

 

Interesting choice of responses. Not what I would have picked, but hey, it's your play...

I didnt see your question, princess. And my comment about no nk was at rand. Not everyrhing is about you.

 

 

 

Someone is being needy...

 

 

It all boils down to what matters more. Vetting her over possibly reducing town deaths. Both are important. But she can also be vetted by sheer numbers of claims. There isnt much in the sense of wiggle room of false claiming. I feel like Scum fake claiming vig is shooting themselves in the foot because of the open setup, but maybe i feel that way cause i seldom do it myself.

Also, i dont feel like adella is fibbing. Might be factoring into my rationale as well.

 

 

Also why does it matter? Because it's dumb to give scum information that they dont need to know. Why tell them who the vig is going to shoot? Beyond what i already talked about, it just seems pointless to me. It reduces their shooting pool choices, if the vig is targeting a townie.

 

 

The only point in favor of claiming i could see is if she ends up targeting a vig. That's about it. But even then if the player had to claim to avoid getting shot in the face, scum are gonna shoot that player anyhow.... so what did calling the shot actually accomplish?

 

 

I just dont like it.

 

 

Anyways gonna go get ready for bed.

 

 

You're killing me with these.

 

I stated earlier that my gut told me you were town.

 

But here we have 8 posts in a row where you don't really say anything of value, or even make a strong point. That's not TownNyn. 

 

The simple benefits to Adella calling her shot are one, that it pretty much proves she is a vig and clears her, and two, that it potentially avoids another vig getting shot. Sure, she might out another vig, but that's a smaller risk than her not proving her claim by calling it. Pretty clearly, the sooner we find and eliminate scum, the better off we are.

 

Not that I have some town read on Nyn, but the posts I bolded (5/8) are things related to the game, so idk where you're saying she doesn't say anything of value.  In fact, her points on vig not revealing their shot actually make more logical sense than your points, so I don't even know where you're going with this.

 

Despite having no reason to cuss (especially with that word) after all the CoC drama on D1, Rand's potty mouth logic is starting to persuade me concerning DPR. I was little concerned that he was making too big a deal out of Rand asking about the swearing policy here on D1, but then, like Adella pointed out, he didn't connect the D1 question about policy with the N1 F bomb, not the way that Adella and Nyn did, and he was the only one who seemed concerned about it D1 (and boy, did he seem concerned). Now, he seems to just snipe with Nyn when he isn't tunneling Rand, who is starting to lean town for me, so right now, my top scum is DPR, followed by Sooh (who keeps lurking without a reason like being on a hot roof or out in the middle of nowhere, and when she does check in, just drops some comments like "Don't shoot me" rather than doing detective work), and Verbal is still my top town, with Rand nudging  in there, too. 

 

I know LZM is dead, but I'm giving my thoughts in response to his post anyway, as I got home about a half hour ago and want to get caught up, and everyone else deserves to see what I'm thinking so far too, even though I am still not all sorted out after a couple of huge catch-ups.

 

SK seems legit from the few posts I've seen.

 

Nyn is still null for me, but she's starting to lean town after her clear explanations of why Adella shouldn't have called her shot (my bad, I'm still new, and it seemed like a good idea to me when Verbal presented it for discussion, but now I see why he wanted to discuss it rather than just pushing it, like DPR did).

 

Clydvx is null with a slight town lean. 

 

Is that everyone?

 

And hey, this means I'm close to being right when picking wolves, since I've been wrong twice now.

[Gentled Ben]

Also, I love that Johnny Cash cover, and from what I hear, Trent Reznor does, too. Thanks for sharing.

[Nynaeve]

You missed Marsh/Ironeyes

[RandA lThor]

Ok glad that mafia didn't no kill because that would've screwed us today with the back and forth.  On the other hand, this sucks, and was why I was against shooting LZM.

 

 

 

 

 

We've just passed through DL and there are 3 people actively posting, does that not seem weird to anyone else?

Why would it be?

 

 

 

Generally people should be here during or close to DL to help make sure the votes are cast on the best possible option and, as Nyn said, to see the flip.  I don't know what to make of it, it just seems odd.

 

 

 

This and all of the implications surrounding it are just silly. People do have schedules.  

 

 

I understand, but we've known when DL was for 2 full days now, a heads up would've been nice if you knew you weren't going to be around, like what LZM did.

 

Also, has no one else seen this?  It's been half an hour since the reveal and no comments, whereas there were 3 people not including me talking in the half hour before the reveal.  Are people worried that their reactions to this might not seem good enough or something? I know for a fact, at minimum, LZM and Adella are on rn, and like I said before, DPR, Nyn, and Marsh were on half an hour before the drop.

 

And keep in mind everyone that we do have a claimed vig who we should try to come up with the best possible target for if she is actually a vig.  After this flip, I definitely feel less sure about that, but we should still try to reach a conclusion as a whole on who we want to kill.

 

Imo, since Adella obviously isn't an option, I didn't have too many strong reads past her and Hally.  I think I, like most, have a natural OMGUS reaction towards Marsh and DPR, but honestly I like Marsh a little bit on how easily he accepted my point on why it wouldn't make sense for me to forget his case against me, he seems open minded and flexible to good points, which seems like someone legitimately trying to scum hunt rather than trying to fake it.  DPR I feel like is just an inept townie, nothing he's said comes off particularly scummy, just misinformed or illogical.

 

On my town reads, I still feel fairly strong about Verbal (though his appearance right after DL is suspicious, though I'll assume he isn't lying about RL stuff like his meetings), decently so on LZM, though Clov hasn't been doing much recently and wasn't involved in the final vote process at all.  Out of them, Clov seems the most suspicious.

 

Finally on my other previous null reads besides Marsh and DPR, I honestly have no idea how to read Sooh right now, something seems off, but it's just a personality thing, and for all I know, that could be how she plays.  SK has been pretty afk, which is another null read for me.  Ben I have to reread on since nothing about him sticks out to me even though I know he's been in and out, and Nyn I have to reread on because I'm so thoroughly confused on her that I need to take another look.  I still don't think her personality seems off, but I haven't noticed much about her play.

 

Now analyzing the Hally vote train, Adella's started as a joke vote that ended up staying on her.  Nyn was iirc the first one to truly cast suspicion on Hally, I'll check whether that was backed up with reasonable information or just information made to look reasonable when I do my reread.

 

Then I think Clov hopped on, and then after that it was Marsh, who then unvoted to get on me, then I unvoted Adella to get on Hally, and then was followed by Marsh.  Marsh's voting pattern seems off, though it makes him seem a little more town to me.  It would've been easy for him to stay on the train rather than do that little maneuver, and he wouldn't have gained anything by lynching me if he was mafia.

 

So of that train, the most bandwagony seems like Clov, followed by Adella who I remember didn't like the fact that Hally wasn't giving more content in her posts, but don't remember when she actually switched from it being a joke vote to a real vote.

 

Anyways, these are observations based mostly on memory, so I'll reread to get a better look, but as of right now, I don't have really strong feelings on who we should shoot, but I'd prefer if we didn't shoot Verbal, LZM, or (obviously) me.  And Marsh somewhat.  The rest I'd say are definitely fairgame.

 

 

But whatever, no point in getting mad at Adella now, she's dead and was town, and our numbers are significantly down now.  We currently have 6 town (2 vigs) and 3 mafia.  If we mislynch today, then we get down to 5 and 3, in which case instead of letting mafia get us down to 4 and 3 where we only have one shot to get mafia, we should have both of our vigs shoot that night so that we can get 2 additional shots at mafia instead of just one BUT ONLY if we mislynch today.

 

Now that we got the flip, my top scum read is currently DPR as mentioned before, and I have town reads on Nyn for her points on not wanting the vig to claim the shot, Verbal as mentioned before, Marsh as mentioned before.  Sooh by process of elimination and a lack of real thorough posts I also have a scum read on, Clov I'm feeling more null on but his few posts are good, and same with SK.  Ben's recent posts have been good, but also don't have much of a read on him.

 

I'm down for either DPR or Sooh today, but DPR is definitely my stronger read, so I'll start out with [v]DPR[/v]

[RandA lThor]

Also, I too love that song, I listen to it all the time, excellent taste Darthe.

[Darthe]

Great song, definitely was being used sarcastically in context guys.  

[Nynaeve]

Clov always sounds good. I just wish he was around more.... 

[Nynaeve]

Rand can you explain again about your Marsh read? I know you touched on it already but I don't have time to look it up right now. In short, if possible. 

[Gentled Ben]

You missed Marsh/Ironeyes

Right. He seemed off to me yesterday after the long catch up, but I dont' remember why now. I guess he gets a clean slate moving forward, now that I can pay closer attention.

[Nynaeve]

I might not be around to see it cause I'm dozing off... but I'll try to read it tomorrow morning before work.

[Gentled Ben]

Great song, definitely was being used sarcastically in context guys.  

You mean it wasn't really supposed to cheer us up?

[RandA lThor]

Rand can you explain again about your Marsh read? I know you touched on it already but I don't have time to look it up right now. In short, if possible. 

 

A lot of little things that seem very town to me.  I'd have to go back and quote a bunch of things which I don't have time for atm, but things like being comfortable with saying he was tunneling a bit (something mafia try to avoid saying), or being extremely open to listening to logic when discussing his town/scum reads (like when we were talking about me forgetting his case)

[DPR]

Reads & Reasons Why Players Might be Scum

by

Me

 

...

 

1. Verbal32 - Found it odd he didn't vote D1. Very unhelpful in terms of creating a record to stand on.

2. Ironeyes - Didn't love his reversal on Rand.

3. DreadPirateRoberts - Towniest Townie that ever Towned. 

4. Clovdyx - Made some good points so far. 

5. Gentled Ben - Playing the newbie card up a more than I'd like to see. Terrible instincts?

6. LedZepMan - Town Vanilla

7. Shitsure Kamimashita - Started game as an active solver. Slowly faded into background after the fingers started pointing.

8. Adella - Town 1x Vigilante

9. Nynaeve - Felt okay about her until last night. But, her unnecessary personal attacks and lack of game solving points looks bad.

10. Sooh - Hasn't really struck me one way or another. She has been open about not enjoying playing as scum before, but she was more stressed about it then. Null.

11. Hallia - Town Vanilla

12. RandA lThor - Strongest scum read. I don't buy anything he's selling. I've made mutltiple points, and as those are stacking up. Along with yesterday's points, his fit at EoD felt contrived, as did his profanity "slip" and faux outrage. His logic regarding scum skipping the NK is just a disaster. 

 

[v] Rand [/v]

[RandA lThor]

Reads & Reasons Why Players Might be Scum

by

Me

 

...

 

1. Verbal32 - Found it odd he didn't vote D1. Very unhelpful in terms of creating a record to stand on.

2. Ironeyes - Didn't love his reversal on Rand.

 

3. DreadPirateRoberts - Towniest Townie that ever Towned. 

 

4. Clovdyx - Made some good points so far. 

 

5. Gentled Ben - Playing the newbie card up a more than I'd like to see. Terrible instincts?

 

6. LedZepMan - Town Vanilla

 

7. Shitsure Kamimashita - Started game as an active solver. Slowly faded into background after the fingers started pointing.

 

8. Adella - Town 1x Vigilante

 

9. Nynaeve - Felt okay about her until last night. But, her unnecessary personal attacks and lack of game solving points looks bad.

 

10. Sooh - Hasn't really struck me one way or another. She has been open about not enjoying playing as scum before, but she was more stressed about it then. Null.

 

11. Hallia - Town Vanilla

 

12. RandA lThor - Strongest scum read. I don't buy anything he's selling. I've made mutltiple points, and as those are stacking up. Along with yesterday's points, his fit at EoD felt contrived, as did his profanity "slip" and faux outrage. His logic regarding scum skipping the NK is just a disaster. 

 

[v] Rand [/v]

 

 

Aight lets do this for fun.  Besides it being suspicious that I didn't remember how the CoC worked and that I have a problem with unconsciously swearing, what other "multiple points" do you have against me?  I see that you said fit at EoD and faux outrage (though I'm assuming the second is connected to the swearing thing), but what fit at EoD are you talking about?  And my logic regarding scum skipping the NK is a disaster, yet you took 0 time to even argue against it?  Why wouldn't scum skip their NK?

[Nynaeve]

I'm not personally attacking anyone. It's not my fault your game has went downhill lately. The sooner you own up to it, the better.  *shrugs*  Trolling me every time you interact with me isn't gonna change anything. But by all means, keep doing it WHILE lecturing me that I'm making pointless posts.

[DPR]

I should add that Ben's lack of vote on D1 is terrible as Well.

 

My scumpool is Rand, Nyn, Ben with second tier Verb and March

[Nynaeve]

That was @DPR in case that wasn't obvious.

[Nynaeve]

I should add that Ben's lack of vote on D1 is terrible as Well.

 

My scumpool is Rand, Nyn, Ben with second tier Verb and March

 

You tried to push me for scum last game too. unsure if it means more than you just sucking again, really. We'll see, I guess.

[Nynaeve]

Though I don't think you've ever put this much energy into trying to get me riled up. That much I've noted.

[Nynaeve]

Are you perhaps menopausing?

[DPR]

I'm not personally attacking anyone. It's not my fault your game has went downhill lately. The sooner you own up to it, the better.  *shrugs*  Trolling me every time you interact with me isn't gonna change anything. But by all means, keep doing it WHILE lecturing me that I'm making pointless posts.

 

 

You are and you do. You do it a lot. Ask anyone.

 

In my case, I don't usually care, but I will be genuinely disappointed if you are scum this game pertaining to a certain remark.

[Nynaeve]

Fact of the matter is, anyone that has played with me enough and especially the ones that know me on a personal level would know that I I'm town this game for reasons I won't get into because they prolly verge on angleshooty, so I'm not going to discuss it. But they're still there. And DPR, if you're town?  you should know better. Real talk.

[Nynaeve]

 

I'm not personally attacking anyone. It's not my fault your game has went downhill lately. The sooner you own up to it, the better.  *shrugs*  Trolling me every time you interact with me isn't gonna change anything. But by all means, keep doing it WHILE lecturing me that I'm making pointless posts.

 

 

You are and you do. You do it a lot. Ask anyone.

 

In my case, I don't usually care, but I will be genuinely disappointed if you are scum this game pertaining to a certain remark.

 

 

I'm not going to ask anyone. I know what I do.

 

And if you're talking about comparing you to ape, you made me feel the way he made you feel. So I don't see what's wrong about that comparison.