The Mafia Parable: Basic Game OVER

[Nynaeve]

Interesting choice of responses. Not what I would have picked, but hey, it's your play...

I didnt see your question, princess. And my comment about no nk was at rand. Not everyrhing is about you.

[Nynaeve]

Someone is being needy...

[Nynaeve]

It all boils down to what matters more. Vetting her over possibly reducing town deaths. Both are important. But she can also be vetted by sheer numbers of claims. There isnt much in the sense of wiggle room of false claiming. I feel like Scum fake claiming vig is shooting themselves in the foot because of the open setup, but maybe i feel that way cause i seldom do it myself.

 

Also, i dont feel like adella is fibbing. Might be factoring into my rationale as well.

[Nynaeve]

Also why does it matter? Because it's dumb to give scum information that they dont need to know. Why tell them who the vig is going to shoot? Beyond what i already talked about, it just seems pointless to me. It reduces their shooting pool choices, if the vig is targeting a townie.

[Adella]

 

 

Rand, why do you keep pushing the idea that scum will skip their NK? We have a lynch every day and 3 vig shots - the chances of them skipping a kill are zero. I'd consider the possibility of you just being misguided except that you keep making a point to use profanity, which comes across as staged, which leads me further to believe you're not town.

 

Regardless, if you're not careful, you'll get your mouth washed out with soap and sent to bed with no dinner. Now go do your homework.

I find it interesting that you're not going to point out his use of profanity now along with his early hesitation over the pg-13 rule...

Do you even read bruh?

 

Do you find the bold interesting?

Maybe I didn't read into it what you implied? I saw you point out the profanity, but I didn't see any connection to your earlier points.

[Nynaeve]

The only point in favor of claiming i could see is if she ends up targeting a vig. That's about it. But even then if the player had to claim to avoid getting shot in the face, scum are gonna shoot that player anyhow.... so what did calling the shot actually accomplish?

[Nynaeve]

I just dont like it.

[Nynaeve]

Anyways gonna go get ready for bed.

[Darthe]

Night ends in 1.5 hours.  

[DPR]

 

 

 

Rand, why do you keep pushing the idea that scum will skip their NK? We have a lynch every day and 3 vig shots - the chances of them skipping a kill are zero. I'd consider the possibility of you just being misguided except that you keep making a point to use profanity, which comes across as staged, which leads me further to believe you're not town.

 

Regardless, if you're not careful, you'll get your mouth washed out with soap and sent to bed with no dinner. Now go do your homework.

I find it interesting that you're not going to point out his use of profanity now along with his early hesitation over the pg-13 rule...

Do you even read bruh?

 

Do you find the bold interesting?

Maybe I didn't read into it what you implied? I saw you point out the profanity, but I didn't see any connection to your earlier points.

 

 

 

I feel like I was pretty clear above: We discussed the pg-13 rule, making it known far and wide. He chooses to ignore it, which seems staged. What purpose could he actually have in doing that? Did he forget about it again already? Was he so emotionally moved that he couldn't post with it? Something else dire? Seems staged.

 

It's wasn't really an implication because I clearly stated it. The stated point is that his is not behavior I would associate with town. It adds to my other points that he doesn't seem to be town.

 

Did you have anything else to add - you said you found it interesting. How so?

[Nynaeve]

So you think he's cussing on purpose?

[Adella]

I find it to be an interesting thing for him to forget. I mean, it was such a huge deal early on, I find it hard to believe that he just forgot about it.

 

I hesitate to think it makes him scum though, I always feel like scum are super careful not to contradict themselves, and that's not a small slip, I feel like it's a pretty big one actually. So I agree with you on pointing it out.

 

Sorry, I keep reading your bolded part again and again and still don't see where you point blank pointed out that he contradicted what he had said before, but maybe I'm just not as smart as the almighty Pirate lol.

[Adella]

Also, cussing on purpose on a site that forbids it is just plain stupid, town or scum, because it's likely to end up getting you a mod warning eventually.

[DPR]

 

 

Im not a huge fan of her claiming her shot. I get why it's argued for but i dont like giving scum info they don't have. And like i mentioned, there's the possibility of a crossfire with scum's nk as they vig hunt...if the vig ends being wrong. Which minimizes town loses.

 

 

My two cents... not that it matters atp.

What does it matter that scum knows who she's going to shoot? They can't block it.

 

The bold just makes no sense at all from a town pov - no info is the worst outcome at this point, not to mention the same possibility of wasting town shots.

There are three one time vigs this game. It's certain. Her claim is self resolving either way just via the amount of hardclaims. Two shots tonight helps vet her but that can happen without her claiming her shot so i dont see the point.

 

Like i said, i was once shot by both scum and vig. So instead of two town deaths there was one. If you cant see the benefit in that, i dont know what to tell you.

 

Thirdly as of rule i dont like divulging info to scum. I dont really care if you disagree with me or not. That's just how i feel.

 

 

 

 

Interesting choice of responses. Not what I would have picked, but hey, it's your play...

I didnt see your question, princess. And my comment about no nk was at rand. Not everyrhing is about you.

 

 

 

Someone is being needy...

 

 

It all boils down to what matters more. Vetting her over possibly reducing town deaths. Both are important. But she can also be vetted by sheer numbers of claims. There isnt much in the sense of wiggle room of false claiming. I feel like Scum fake claiming vig is shooting themselves in the foot because of the open setup, but maybe i feel that way cause i seldom do it myself.

 

Also, i dont feel like adella is fibbing. Might be factoring into my rationale as well.

 

 

Also why does it matter? Because it's dumb to give scum information that they dont need to know. Why tell them who the vig is going to shoot? Beyond what i already talked about, it just seems pointless to me. It reduces their shooting pool choices, if the vig is targeting a townie.

 

 

The only point in favor of claiming i could see is if she ends up targeting a vig. That's about it. But even then if the player had to claim to avoid getting shot in the face, scum are gonna shoot that player anyhow.... so what did calling the shot actually accomplish?

 

 

I just dont like it.

 

 

Anyways gonna go get ready for bed.

 

 

You're killing me with these.

 

I stated earlier that my gut told me you were town.

 

But here we have 8 posts in a row where you don't really say anything of value, or even make a strong point. That's not TownNyn. 

 

The simple benefits to Adella calling her shot are one, that it pretty much proves she is a vig and clears her, and two, that it potentially avoids another vig getting shot. Sure, she might out another vig, but that's a smaller risk than her not proving her claim by calling it. Pretty clearly, the sooner we find and eliminate scum, the better off we are.

[DPR]

So you think he's cussing on purpose?

 

You think he forgot?

[DPR]

Also, cussing on purpose on a site that forbids it is just plain stupid, town or scum, because it's likely to end up getting you a mod warning eventually.

 

You think he forgot?

[Adella]

 

Also, cussing on purpose on a site that forbids it is just plain stupid, town or scum, because it's likely to end up getting you a mod warning eventually.

You think he forgot?

That's the only possibility that makes sense, when the other option is breaking site rules on purpose which is bound to get you warned, then punished or eventually removed from the game.

[Nynaeve]

 

 

 

Im not a huge fan of her claiming her shot. I get why it's argued for but i dont like giving scum info they don't have. And like i mentioned, there's the possibility of a crossfire with scum's nk as they vig hunt...if the vig ends being wrong. Which minimizes town loses.

 

 

My two cents... not that it matters atp.

What does it matter that scum knows who she's going to shoot? They can't block it.

 

The bold just makes no sense at all from a town pov - no info is the worst outcome at this point, not to mention the same possibility of wasting town shots.

There are three one time vigs this game. It's certain. Her claim is self resolving either way just via the amount of hardclaims. Two shots tonight helps vet her but that can happen without her claiming her shot so i dont see the point.

 

Like i said, i was once shot by both scum and vig. So instead of two town deaths there was one. If you cant see the benefit in that, i dont know what to tell you.

 

Thirdly as of rule i dont like divulging info to scum. I dont really care if you disagree with me or not. That's just how i feel.

 

 

 

 

Interesting choice of responses. Not what I would have picked, but hey, it's your play...

I didnt see your question, princess. And my comment about no nk was at rand. Not everyrhing is about you.

 

 

 

Someone is being needy...

 

 

It all boils down to what matters more. Vetting her over possibly reducing town deaths. Both are important. But she can also be vetted by sheer numbers of claims. There isnt much in the sense of wiggle room of false claiming. I feel like Scum fake claiming vig is shooting themselves in the foot because of the open setup, but maybe i feel that way cause i seldom do it myself.

 

Also, i dont feel like adella is fibbing. Might be factoring into my rationale as well.

 

 

Also why does it matter? Because it's dumb to give scum information that they dont need to know. Why tell them who the vig is going to shoot? Beyond what i already talked about, it just seems pointless to me. It reduces their shooting pool choices, if the vig is targeting a townie.

 

 

The only point in favor of claiming i could see is if she ends up targeting a vig. That's about it. But even then if the player had to claim to avoid getting shot in the face, scum are gonna shoot that player anyhow.... so what did calling the shot actually accomplish?

 

 

I just dont like it.

 

 

Anyways gonna go get ready for bed.

 

 

You're killing me with these.

 

I stated earlier that my gut told me you were town.

 

But here we have 8 posts in a row where you don't really say anything of value, or even make a strong point. That's not TownNyn. 

 

The simple benefits to Adella calling her shot are one, that it pretty much proves she is a vig and clears her, and two, that it potentially avoids another vig getting shot. Sure, she might out another vig, but that's a smaller risk than her not proving her claim by calling it. Pretty clearly, the sooner we find and eliminate scum, the better off we are.

 

 

Honestly couldn't care less what your read of me is. I have the right to state my opinion and I don't see the value in her claiming. Period. She gets vetted if there are two deaths anyhow so her claiming the shot doesn't matter, unless the other vigs are dumb enough to shoot to screw that up. Furthermore her saying she's targeting a vig and that vig claiming is gonna lead to that player getting outed and nked. So same diff.

 

I love how when you're stating your opinion it's this big thing but when I give my opinion it's me "not saying anything."

 

So, in essence, bite me.

[Nynaeve]

 

So you think he's cussing on purpose?

 

You think he forgot?

 

 

I don't see the point of him cussing on purpose. 

[Nynaeve]

Asks me questions... then criticises me when I answer the questions.

 

More DPR "logic" at its finest

[DPR]

Asks me questions... then criticises me when I answer the questions.

 

More DPR "logic" at its finest

 

 

LOL. And the other 7 useless posts? 

[Nynaeve]

 

Asks me questions... then criticises me when I answer the questions.

 

More DPR "logic" at its finest

 

 

LOL. And the other 7 useless posts? 

 

 

w/e. this conversation is over. 

[Nynaeve]

go troll someone else

[DPR]

Goodnight. Princess.

[RandA lThor]

I did read your post but I also read other people saying it's an issue if I don't call it. I didn't listen to one person specifically, since it seemed to be pretty split and I have no idea specifically which side of that scum prefers.

 

So I went with my gut instead.

Did you see anything logically unsound with my post though?  Because imo it was pretty sound logical reasoning on telling scum who to kill does nothing but bad for town.

 

Rand, why do you keep pushing the idea that scum will skip their NK? We have a lynch every day and 3 vig shots - the chances of them skipping a kill are zero. I'd consider the possibility of you just being misguided except that you keep making a point to use profanity, which comes across as staged, which leads me further to believe you're not town.

 

Regardless, if you're not careful, you'll get your mouth washed out with soap and sent to bed with no dinner. Now go do your homework.

 

Ok firstly I'd like to apologize for swearing, regardless of my alignment, I would never purposely swear on a forum that specifically prohibits it for any purpose.  If Darthe allows it I'll go back and edit it out, though I think the same rule stands about editing your posts in mafia.  But since I think you guys have quoted it, idk if there would be any harm in it.  This is honestly why I made the point before, after being away from DM for this long, I have a really bad habit of slipping in swearing unconsciously, so I've had to make a conscious effort to avoid swearing in several posts in this thread.

 

Now onto the logic of your post.  I didn't want to explain it in this context, and wasn't going to point it out in the first place until someone else brought it up, but since night's about to end (yesterday's day went to 12 PM my time, and it's 11:55 now, nvm DM's auto refresh just showed that Darthe says night ends in 1.5 hours, so I'm going to wait until closer to then to post this), I might as well get into it.  For this analysis, I'm going to assume that Adella is town, and that who she's shooting, LZM in this instance, is town.

 

Scum has two options here that seem good.  Either shoot Adella because she's about to be a confirmed town and that's the first priority to kill.  Or no kill and make it look like since LZM was the only one that was killed, Adella NKed LZM as part of mafia.

 

If they proceed with the first option, Adella and LZM are dead, 2 townies are dead, and then we proceed with day as normal.

 

If they proceed with the second option, they could pretty easily lead a lynch to Adella as a fake claim as vig with only one kill.  This means that LZM dies at night, Adella dies at day, and then mafia get another kill at night. That's 3 kills until we proceed with day as normal, and at that point, we'll have 8 people and 3 mafia, so we'll be one day away from losing (unless of couse a vig hits a mafia at night).

 

The second option has a much much higher opportunity for mafia than the first.

 

I dont think scum skip their nk personally. They need kills before the vigs come forward and are essentially confirmed town. So their priority would be nks, vig hunting and if possible, misdirecting the vigs onto townies.

 

See above for why scum would skip their nk.

 

Also, can someone explain why Adella revealing her hit did anything for town at all?  At night flip, we'll see either 2 kills, and Adella can tell us who she killed (unless she's one of the kills herself in which case its even easier to see who she killed).  And we have no need of that information before night flip.  So the only thing that happened by having Adella reveal was that scum got more information, congrats guys.