The Mafia Parable: Basic Game OVER

RandA lThor · August 11, 2017

Rand i dont quite get your explenation to what i asked

Marsh was a perfect example of what I was saying, but Hally wasn't everyone's top read, but it seemed like everyone was saying she was a secondary or tertiary scum read, which seems to me like scum setting up to jump ship onto her "grudgingly" at the end of the day, but then if she flips town, they can say "oh I wasn't even the main leader of this train, it was x, y, and z, lets look at them"

You're really mormon? Lol

Yeah, have been all my life. Served as a missionary and all.

Morning. Catching up now. Not sure how long till the deadline but I think it's close

Yeah its like in an hour

This is legitimately concerning, there's supposed to be a lot more activity here this close to the deadline and we should be pushing cases and arriving to more well thought out conclusions. So far most reads seem like early Day 1 FoSes despite the early start. Hally, Adella, as the leading vote getters can you guys please make cases on why you shouldn't be lynched? Your own suspicions, etc?

Dang, with that little time left I'd expect the thread to be growing faster than I can keep up. Seems like unless something changes drastically it'll be Hallia or Adella today, and I'm inclined to go with Hallia. Adella is more engaged in thread, and I've seen Hally check out as scum a number of times. So I'll [v]Hallia[/v]

Case in point.

@Rand - Mynd was the "grass beater". You're trying to make too much of the "top 3" thing and you're oversellingvthe memory point. Just sayin'.

Bruh, you literally said word for word that Verbal was beating the grass. Yes I know that Mynd was the grass beater, and idk if I remember this part correctly, but didn't he coin the term or at least use it the most? But that doesn't mean Verbal doesn't do the same.

Also how am I trying too much on the top 3 thing? One of the main things I'm seeing this game, as seen above is that people are having secondary reads that they can easily jump onto, which is heavily convenient for scum. Having a top 3 that you only talk about one person on is perfect for scum to later say, "Yeah, x player was also in my top 3 though, so I'll just hop on the train there"

Also, making too much of a game-related comment about how many scum reads you have? Coming from the guy who tried to make a post on my knowledge of the CoC for like 20 pages. C'mon man.

And I'm not trying to oversell the memory point, I'm literally just trying to show that it's unimportant, and that your case against me on that has no merit.

Did you all miss where Hallia claimed vig?

I saw it, and was going to ask about it but must have missed it. Didn't seem overly serious, could've been an attempt to subtly claim before so she could point to it later, but that's something that scum can do too as a backup, so I'm not going to look into that too much.

There are two competing trains, so it could be worse. im looking forward to see how the voting goes in the last hour. With that said it would be nice if more players were around and took part. Feels a little quiet for my taste.

Same and same. It just makes me more wary of Adella though, two competing trains but suddenly at the very end it starts getting a stronger push to Hally.

Did you all miss where Hallia claimed vig?

Yeah, I did.

There are two competing trains, so it could be worse. im looking forward to see how the voting goes in the last hour. With that said it would be nice if more players were around and took part. Feels a little quiet for my taste.

To be honest I'd prefer to be lynching between Rand and Sooh, since they're the two that have pinged me for real so far. But the two leading trains have been pretty null for me, so I'm, well, not unhappy with this EOD.

What?? Out of nowhere, I don't think you've had even a scum lean on me before this, correct me if I'm wrong, and I don't remember you having anything on Sooh, though I could easily be wrong about that. How have both of us pinged you?

As far as why you shouldn't Lynch me... That feels like a weird question to answer, like in a job interview when they ask why they should hire you lol.

Most importantly is because I am town.

Next would be because I feel that I have contributed to this game more than Hallia has, I am working harder to understand people and their reasonings, and have contributed more to the game as a whole. I need to find scum, it's my job and I'm taking it seriously.

This is so weird for me to analyze. If I'm going based off of gut/personality/tone reads, I see Hally as more scummy than you. If I'm going off of logic/comment content/vote analysis you seem more scummy.

If she's a vig she should be here claiming right now. And then she'd have to back it up. Should be self resolving. It's as simple as that.

Im not backing off over some lame breadcrumb early game.

This for sure, if Hally knew she had votes, knew she had a soft claim that she wanted to solidify, she should've been prepared at DL or at least known when it was and prepared earlier. Unless she comes in here, I'm not even thinking about using the soft claim to change my vote.

I think sooh/hallia should be the trains today.

I wouldn't complain about that. But with like half an hour left and only a few people in thread I don't think it'll happen. Especially since pretty much everyone on Adella's train has checked out.

Bruh I'm still here.

Sooh · August 11, 2017

I'll work on catching up. In the mean time I think it's beneficial for the trains to be tied.

Adella · August 11, 2017

I didn't see that as a claim, but maybe it was. I'm not inclined to ignore the rest of her play this phase though. Especially is she were a vig, it's her responsibility with that role to be more engaged and try to figure out where a good place to use her shot is. I don't think she has been doing that at all, which is why the chance that it's a fake claim to either set herself up to make a solid claim later, or to distract from a real big getting killed by mafia sort of like how we cover for cop in some games.
@Bold: Is this intended to say you think she might be trying to draw the night kill? Your wording tripped me up here.

Autocorrect is not my friend. I was listing possible reasons, I do not think that is her intent, I think it is one of the reasons people use to cover a role. I think here it's irresponsible, losing a vig kill isnt the end of the game, although it would be frustrating. So if she is town (which I don't think she is) I am basically saying there are other reasons she could be saying that aside from actually being a vig.

RandA lThor · August 11, 2017

UNOFFICIAL Vote Count:

Clov (1/7): SK
Hally (4/7): Adella, Nyn, Clov, Marsh
Rand (1/7): DPR
Adella (3/7): Sooh, Rand, LZM
Nyn (1/7): Hally

Not Voting (2/12):
Verb, Ben

Hally isn't even showing self preservation right now, otherwise she'd be in here voting for Adella instead of Nyn. If anything this makes me seem like she's uninterested town... I know some people have been making the point that if she was town she'd be more active, but I feel like when you're mafia you're more active, there's more things to definitively do, work for, you have a team, etc.

Also, at the very least, I'd expect DPR and Verb to be here at DL considering their votes are either non-existent or on trains that don't look like they're going anywhere.

Nynaeve · August 11, 2017

I'll work on catching up. In the mean time I think it's beneficial for the trains to be tied.

Mysterious sooh is mysterious

Adella · August 11, 2017

I'll work on catching up. In the mean time I think it's beneficial for the trains to be tied.

Why is that beneficial?

Ironeyes · August 11, 2017

Rand i dont quite get your explenation to what i asked

Marsh was a perfect example of what I was saying, but Hally wasn't everyone's top read, but it seemed like everyone was saying she was a secondary or tertiary scum read, which seems to me like scum setting up to jump ship onto her "grudgingly" at the end of the day, but then if she flips town, they can say "oh I wasn't even the main leader of this train, it was x, y, and z, lets look at them"

You're really mormon? Lol

Yeah, have been all my life. Served as a missionary and all.

Morning. Catching up now. Not sure how long till the deadline but I think it's close

Yeah its like in an hour

This is legitimately concerning, there's supposed to be a lot more activity here this close to the deadline and we should be pushing cases and arriving to more well thought out conclusions. So far most reads seem like early Day 1 FoSes despite the early start. Hally, Adella, as the leading vote getters can you guys please make cases on why you shouldn't be lynched? Your own suspicions, etc?

Dang, with that little time left I'd expect the thread to be growing faster than I can keep up. Seems like unless something changes drastically it'll be Hallia or Adella today, and I'm inclined to go with Hallia. Adella is more engaged in thread, and I've seen Hally check out as scum a number of times. So I'll [v]Hallia[/v]

Case in point.

Did you all miss where Hallia claimed vig?

Yeah, I did.

There are two competing trains, so it could be worse. im looking forward to see how the voting goes in the last hour. With that said it would be nice if more players were around and took part. Feels a little quiet for my taste.

To be honest I'd prefer to be lynching between Rand and Sooh, since they're the two that have pinged me for real so far. But the two leading trains have been pretty null for me, so I'm, well, not unhappy with this EOD.

What?? Out of nowhere, I don't think you've had even a scum lean on me before this, correct me if I'm wrong, and I don't remember you having anything on Sooh, though I could easily be wrong abou

I think sooh/hallia should be the trains today.

I wouldn't complain about that. But with like half an hour left and only a few people in thread I don't think it'll happen. Especially since pretty much everyone on Adella's train has checked out.

Bruh I'm still here.

1. I'm perfectly willing to take responsibility for my Hallia vote. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

2. You have got to be kidding me. I accused you of redirecting suspicion multiple times, and I've been supportive of DPR's push on you since the beginning. You even responded to my sus, so you can't claim ignorance here. That's hecka disingenuous. And I sussed Sooh in my first couple of posts. I said I'd reevaluate if she got a better tone, she hasn't convinced me yet.

3.

Ironeyes · August 11, 2017

[unvote] [v]Rand[/v]

Sooh · August 11, 2017

I'll work on catching up. In the mean time I think it's beneficial for the trains to be tied.

Why is that beneficial?

Because then it can go either way and it's easier to see who moved and for what reasons.

Ironeyes · August 11, 2017

[unvote] [v]Rand[/v]

I'm with the Pirate on this one. I just don't like the tone of your posts

Adella · August 11, 2017

I'll work on catching up. In the mean time I think it's beneficial for the trains to be tied.
Why is that beneficial?

Because then it can go either way and it's easier to see who moved and for what reasons.

Amazingly this is the first question I feel like you had a reasonable answer to.

Sooh · August 11, 2017

And I sussed Sooh in my first couple of posts. I said I'd reevaluate if she got a better tone, she hasn't convinced me yet.

3.

FYI, there hasn't been anything wrong with my tone.

With my availability and engagement, sure. My tone? Nope.

Ironeyes · August 11, 2017

I didn't see that as a claim, but maybe it was. I'm not inclined to ignore the rest of her play this phase though. Especially is she were a vig, it's her responsibility with that role to be more engaged and try to figure out where a good place to use her shot is. I don't think she has been doing that at all, which is why the chance that it's a fake claim to either set herself up to make a solid claim later, or to distract from a real big getting killed by mafia sort of like how we cover for cop in some games.
@Bold: Is this intended to say you think she might be trying to draw the night kill? Your wording tripped me up here.

Autocorrect is not my friend. I was listing possible reasons, I do not think that is her intent, I think it is one of the reasons people use to cover a role. I think here it's irresponsible, losing a vig kill isnt the end of the game, although it would be frustrating. So if she is town (which I don't think she is) I am basically saying there are other reasons she could be saying that aside from actually being a vig.

Got it. I think I understand you now.

Sooh · August 11, 2017

I'll work on catching up. In the mean time I think it's beneficial for the trains to be tied.
Why is that beneficial?
Because then it can go either way and it's easier to see who moved and for what reasons.

Amazingly this is the first question I feel like you had a reasonable answer to.

Mmm the sarcasm

Ironeyes · August 11, 2017

And I sussed Sooh in my first couple of posts. I said I'd reevaluate if she got a better tone, she hasn't convinced me yet.

FYI, there hasn't been anything wrong with my tone.

With my availability and engagement, sure. My tone? Nope.

Right--I edited that improperly. I didn't mean to say that your tone hasn't convinced me. Just your general play hasn't, including engagement. ATP though Rand has solidified my desire to vote him quite well. I won't be voting you today.

Adella · August 11, 2017

I'll work on catching up. In the mean time I think it's beneficial for the trains to be tied.
Why is that beneficial?
Because then it can go either way and it's easier to see who moved and for what reasons.
Amazingly this is the first question I feel like you had a reasonable answer to.

Mmm the sarcasm

Lol, for once no, I was being genuine there.

I still think you're scum tho.

RandA lThor · August 11, 2017

I'll work on catching up. In the mean time I think it's beneficial for the trains to be tied.

Why is that beneficial?

Agree with Adella (and Nyn I think) here. It's never beneficial to let RNG pick for us, town has majority here, and I have enough confidence in our abilities to be better than a 50/50 throw up.

Rand i dont quite get your explenation to what i asked

Marsh was a perfect example of what I was saying, but Hally wasn't everyone's top read, but it seemed like everyone was saying she was a secondary or tertiary scum read, which seems to me like scum setting up to jump ship onto her "grudgingly" at the end of the day, but then if she flips town, they can say "oh I wasn't even the main leader of this train, it was x, y, and z, lets look at them"

You're really mormon? Lol

Yeah, have been all my life. Served as a missionary and all.

Morning. Catching up now. Not sure how long till the deadline but I think it's close

Yeah its like in an hour

This is legitimately concerning, there's supposed to be a lot more activity here this close to the deadline and we should be pushing cases and arriving to more well thought out conclusions. So far most reads seem like early Day 1 FoSes despite the early start. Hally, Adella, as the leading vote getters can you guys please make cases on why you shouldn't be lynched? Your own suspicions, etc?

Dang, with that little time left I'd expect the thread to be growing faster than I can keep up. Seems like unless something changes drastically it'll be Hallia or Adella today, and I'm inclined to go with Hallia. Adella is more engaged in thread, and I've seen Hally check out as scum a number of times. So I'll [v]Hallia[/v]

Case in point.

Did you all miss where Hallia claimed vig?

Yeah, I did.

There are two competing trains, so it could be worse. im looking forward to see how the voting goes in the last hour. With that said it would be nice if more players were around and took part. Feels a little quiet for my taste.

To be honest I'd prefer to be lynching between Rand and Sooh, since they're the two that have pinged me for real so far. But the two leading trains have been pretty null for me, so I'm, well, not unhappy with this EOD.

What?? Out of nowhere, I don't think you've had even a scum lean on me before this, correct me if I'm wrong, and I don't remember you having anything on Sooh, though I could easily be wrong abou

I think sooh/hallia should be the trains today.

I wouldn't complain about that. But with like half an hour left and only a few people in thread I don't think it'll happen. Especially since pretty much everyone on Adella's train has checked out.

Bruh I'm still here.

1. I'm perfectly willing to take responsibility for my Hallia vote. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

2. You have got to be kidding me. I accused you of redirecting suspicion multiple times, and I've been supportive of DPR's push on you since the beginning. You even responded to my sus, so you can't claim ignorance here. That's hecka disingenuous. And I sussed Sooh in my first couple of posts. I said I'd reevaluate if she got a better tone, she hasn't convinced me yet.

3.

1. Take responsibility? Lol what responsibility is going to happen, you're just going to say you're wrong, like everyone else on the train, and nothing is going to happen to you. These are just empty words that you say to make yourself look better

2. Fair, I guess I haven't remembered your contributions as well as others. Tbf though, you haven't had much of a presence in this game until very recently, like literally today. You have the 2nd least posts on the thread, only ahead of SK, behind Hally, and most of those came recently, you had a huge gap mid day.

3. Lol, I was here before you today, what are you even talking about.

[unvote] [v]Rand[/v]

I'll work on catching up. In the mean time I think it's beneficial for the trains to be tied.

Why is that beneficial?

Because then it can go either way and it's easier to see who moved and for what reasons.

RandA lThor · August 11, 2017

Damn it forgot to respond to the other quotes.

To the vote on Rand quote: Wonderful, jump off the two biggest trains at 20 minutes till EoD and leave them tied. At the very least, I hope you intend to stay until the DL to move your vote if necessary.

To the Sooh quote: We get to see that regardless of whether the trains are tied or not

Adella · August 11, 2017

Alright, 20 min to deadline and I'm tied for Lynch. This goes against my better judgement, but I'm a Vig and I plan to use my 1 shot on Sooh tonight. I have 10 minutes left in my lunch, and I was hoping not to have to reveal because I personally don't think reveals of this nature help anyone but scum.

Sooh · August 11, 2017

I'll work on catching up. In the mean time I think it's beneficial for the trains to be tied.

Why is that beneficial?

Agree with Adella (and Nyn I think) here. It's never beneficial to let RNG pick for us, town has majority here, and I have enough confidence in our abilities to be better than a 50/50 throw up.

obviously. But we still have time.

Adella · August 11, 2017

Alright, 20 min to deadline and I'm tied for Lynch. This goes against my better judgement, but I'm a Vig and I plan to use my 1 shot on Sooh tonight. I have 10 minutes left in my lunch, and I was hoping not to have to reveal because I personally don't think reveals of this nature help anyone but scum.

Basically I feel my hand was forced here.

Sooh · August 11, 2017

Alright, 20 min to deadline and I'm tied for Lynch. This goes against my better judgement, but I'm a Vig and I plan to use my 1 shot on Sooh tonight. I have 10 minutes left in my lunch, and I was hoping not to have to reveal because I personally don't think reveals of this nature help anyone but scum.

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad shot.

Adella · August 11, 2017

Alright, 20 min to deadline and I'm tied for Lynch. This goes against my better judgement, but I'm a Vig and I plan to use my 1 shot on Sooh tonight. I have 10 minutes left in my lunch, and I was hoping not to have to reveal because I personally don't think reveals of this nature help anyone but scum.
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad shot.

All of your posts have done nothing but to convince me otherwise. Convince me Sooh.

Nynaeve · August 11, 2017

Verbal?

Adella · August 11, 2017

Verbal?

O.o

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