Sailor Moon Mafia [Advanced] Game Thread

bopolis · July 12, 2017

you guys can do this whole thing, i'm gonna find a wolf and lynch em right before EoD

i already have my secret wolf

Zander? · July 12, 2017

Would guess that Zander/Bop is v/v violence

Why do you think S-Bop is Town!?!?!?

bopolis · July 12, 2017

MrsClov · July 12, 2017

youre calling my stuff silly and you dont know what im referring to!??!!?!

I didn't know who you were referring to. You quoted a response from me and said possible w/w.

Spadeszee · July 12, 2017

youre calling my stuff silly and you dont know what im referring to!??!!?!

I didn't know who you were referring to. You quoted a response from me and said possible w/w.

You're a wolf, obvi :P

Zander? · July 12, 2017

My thoughts right now are that Bop and I are the only real ones sort of poking around, thought I don't think either of us intentionally created "reactions" (I could be wrong with Bop, but I read his posts before Zander got serious to be very tongue in cheek).

Because of this, we're basically the only ones really raising eyebrows. I have no idea who the wolves are right now, but I have a feeling most of them haven't spoken up or got themselves involved and are sitting watching all of scrape around for answers.

How much Maafia exp do you have?

Was it you someone said may have only played a few games or am I mixing you up with someone else?

This is my third game.

hmmmmmm ok ty and noted.

What do you deem as "defensiveness" and can you show me some examples of where I do this?

So......nothing to show me then.....noted.

Would guess that Zander/Bop is v/v violence

It's looking that way.

Zander seeing ghosts at high noon is also somewhat villagery.

indeed m'lady

Still working on Spades/Bop, but they both have some good things that I've seen, so you're probably right that they're just villagers.

What in particular are these good things Soohray?!?!?!!?!

I was trying to say that so far Zander hasn't done anything that I would describe as alignment indicative. I'm not a 100% Zander reader, but usually he becomes really obvious in terms of enthusiasm later on in the game. Might be a bit old meta given RL circumstances atm, but that's the closest I've got for ya.

He's also certainly someone I would qualify as "defensive" of his clout in either role, maybe even a tick moreso as a villager. He'll absolutely challenge anyone trying to paint him in a light he feels is not positive. He might have learned that from watching me.

#iamnotarolemodel

#CCSoHW

Whats your read on me boo?!!?!?!

lololololololol

somewhere inbetween light green and regular green

so i guess

half-light green

Not Blue.....sadface.gif.......youre always Blue to be boo!!!!!!!

MrsClov · July 12, 2017

youre calling my stuff silly and you dont know what im referring to!??!!?!

I didn't know who you were referring to. You quoted a response from me and said possible w/w.

And to further my point. Yeah it is silly. You are going round and round and round and round again with bop/spades when they've answered you several times. Do a catch up read and then post, Zander. Seriously.

MrsClov · July 12, 2017

youre calling my stuff silly and you dont know what im referring to!??!!?!

I didn't know who you were referring to. You quoted a response from me and said possible w/w.

You're a wolf, obvi :P

You caught me.

Spadeszee · July 12, 2017

Just vote us already Zander and make a nice post with all your evidence against us and get it over with already.

None of our answers are good enough for you and you're not even reading our posts clearly.

Meanwhile, as I said before, the wolves are just sitting and laughing at us letting this take up all the thread space.

I don't think you're a wolf, so maybe if you just vote us we can all move on and get more people active here.

Please?

Sooh · July 12, 2017

Would guess that Zander/Bop is v/v violence

It's looking that way.

Zander seeing ghosts at high noon is also somewhat villagery.

indeed m'lady

Still working on Spades/Bop, but they both have some good things that I've seen, so you're probably right that they're just villagers.

What in particular are these good things Soohray?!?!?!!?!

I already mentioned Spades' ability to see more than one possible explanation for a reaction, similarly I like that Bop has shown signs to develop his reads and not stubbornly hold on to them.

Zander? · July 12, 2017

I definitely don't hate the vote on Scruffington. I was tossing around putting one there as well. Every time I scan past that post I hate it a bit more.

[v]Scruffington[/v]

Its not a bad vote but that post is just weird, no matter the alignment. Dunno if that actually constitutes wolfiness or is just getting voted because it's different.
...

But you're voting him for it.

Sure, but im a whore.

OK but still its a lot of WTF and looks bad.

My thoughts right now are that Bop and I are the only real ones sort of poking around, thought I don't think either of us intentionally created "reactions" (I could be wrong with Bop, but I read his posts before Zander got serious to be very tongue in cheek).

Because of this, we're basically the only ones really raising eyebrows. I have no idea who the wolves are right now, but I have a feeling most of them haven't spoken up or got themselves involved and are sitting watching all of scrape around for answers.

This post reads like the cop out it is.
What exactly am I copping out of?
Your post went through a lot of effort to come off as if youre not responsible for the (small) heat youre getting, that its justified by the way you're interacting and that somehow should maybe exclude you from "raused eyebrows". You could even be correct and honezt about it and I wouldnt like the apologetic way that you framed the whole thing, it just reads wrong.
I can understand why it might come off that way to you. I get how everyone reads things differently and based upon that perception of tone comes intent. While I'm not really afraid of applying pressure and am glad it did start a bit of actual discussion, my intent wasn't to make Sooh feel uncomfortable. I don't think I'm trying to apologize, but clarify.

That's fair. Do you do better getting your reads when you're in the middle of the conversation?

I do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Cory, does town!Zander go in circles like this on things that seem silly?

Good God yes

My reads are for the most part are usually pretty decent wouldnt you say?!!?!?!?!

Maybe it's because I'm hydraing with Bop and feel like the situation with Penny has been explained 5 times over and it's pretty clear that Bop is reading Zander as neutral that I find his fixation on this topic to be really pointless.

Zander, did you actually read what he said to begin with? I can go back and quote him saying he doesn't know the numbers of her subbing out on wolf games vrs villager, but he remembers it being common for her. But the point that she subbed out before getting her role basically invalidates this thought process.

I feel like you're not really reading posts you're trying to make points about.

I love you via your proximity to the ones I truly love.

But I dont care what you find pointless.

Ive asked PARTICULAR QUESTIONS to BOP irt his Penny is Scummy for subbing out/Zander is Scum comment which he either didnt answer or brushed aside with a generic answer.

When he answer my specific questions Ill decide it i find it pointless or not!!!

The fact she said she subbed out PREGAME makes it worse. Even if he didnt know, he still pushed the narrative and I need to determine if it was a Scummy push or just some bad Towning.

I hope this makes more sense!?!?!?!?!

He literally dropped this case AND said he found you NEUTRAL after I explained she outed before roles were out.

How many times do we have to reiterate this?

How much clearer does it have to be said?

Everyone else here understand this chain of events. You're the only one who can't seem to wrap your head around it and it's like we're just going in the same circle over and over, meanwhile the wolfs are sitting and laughing at us. We're getting no closer to figuring this game out. You can sit and waste time having us answer your question in 10 different ways, or we can try to find some real leads.

I am aware of this for the love of GOD!!!!!

Ive explained my issues with it NUMEROUS TIMES!!!!!

It was who he pushed and why he pushed her Im concerned with,

Its like saying something like, "OMG im so glad youre on Scum team person A" ITT when it was supposed to be in the Scum WT and saying...its not an issue because I took it back....(yes i know not as severe but im also trying to explain things to a lot of people who DONT speak fluent Zanderese!!!)

So all I want answered (BY BOP is my direct questions.

1. Has Bop seen Penneh sub out as Scum before?

2. Has Bop seen Penneh sub out as Town before?

3. Does he always find people who sub out Scummy and is never/rarely/sometimes/always (choose appropriate one)?

Again MY ISSUE (AND YES I KNOW HE CLAIMED TAKEBACKSIES) is Penny is an EASY mislynch and Im wondering because of that did he just try to find/manufacture and easy reason to try to lynch her when he OBV DIDNT KNOW she had subbed out pregame/prerand....

PLEASE TELL ME YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THIS FROM MY ENFP BRAIN!!!!!!!!

Zander? · July 12, 2017

Maybe it's because I'm hydraing with Bop and feel like the situation with Penny has been explained 5 times over and it's pretty clear that Bop is reading Zander as neutral that I find his fixation on this topic to be really pointless.

Zander, did you actually read what he said to begin with? I can go back and quote him saying he doesn't know the numbers of her subbing out on wolf games vrs villager, but he remembers it being common for her. But the point that she subbed out before getting her role basically invalidates this thought process.

I feel like you're not really reading posts you're trying to make points about.

I love you via your proximity to the ones I truly love.

But I dont care what you find pointless.

Ive asked PARTICULAR QUESTIONS to BOP irt his Penny is Scummy for subbing out/Zander is Scum comment which he either didnt answer or brushed aside with a generic answer.

When he answer my specific questions Ill decide it i find it pointless or not!!!

The fact she said she subbed out PREGAME makes it worse. Even if he didnt know, he still pushed the narrative and I need to determine if it was a Scummy push or just some bad Towning.

I hope this makes more sense!?!?!?!?!

You see this shit....no one caan blame me for not dropping this I hope you know that right.

(i do love me some Mr. Bob "Im F'Ing Stoned" Ross tho!!!!!! lolololololol)

Maybe it's because I'm hydraing with Bop and feel like the situation with Penny has been explained 5 times over and it's pretty clear that Bop is reading Zander as neutral that I find his fixation on this topic to be really pointless.

Zander, did you actually read what he said to begin with? I can go back and quote him saying he doesn't know the numbers of her subbing out on wolf games vrs villager, but he remembers it being common for her. But the point that she subbed out before getting her role basically invalidates this thought process.

I feel like you're not really reading posts you're trying to make points about.

I love you via your proximity to the ones I truly love.

But I dont care what you find pointless.

Ive asked PARTICULAR QUESTIONS to BOP irt his Penny is Scummy for subbing out/Zander is Scum comment which he either didnt answer or brushed aside with a generic answer.

When he answer my specific questions Ill decide it i find it pointless or not!!!

The fact she said she subbed out PREGAME makes it worse. Even if he didnt know, he still pushed the narrative and I need to determine if it was a Scummy push or just some bad Towning.

I hope this makes more sense!?!?!?!?!

He literally dropped this case AND said he found you NEUTRAL after I explained she outed before roles were out.

How many times do we have to reiterate this?

How much clearer does it have to be said?

Everyone else here understand this chain of events. You're the only one who can't seem to wrap your head around it and it's like we're just going in the same circle over and over, meanwhile the wolfs are sitting and laughing at us. We're getting no closer to figuring this game out. You can sit and waste time having us answer your question in 10 different ways, or we can try to find some real leads.

This annoyance appears real. I think that is a positive look for spades.

Hey btw spades, this is normal zander. He doesn't know how to let things go.

Look at Cass and Adella last game, they were both Wolves and both got annoyed with me....so no bueno!!!!

But yes Mr. Derfchiatrist I do have trouble letting go, its not impossible for me just hard...tho Cory asked me too so I prolly will once Bop answers my few simple questions.

Zander? · July 12, 2017

Zande, if you caught up and then replied in a couple of posts instead of replying to each post you'd probably save yourself a lot of frustration and time.

You'd also save me a lot of coffee, just saying.

Ive been tolded this many times....sadface.gif

Its 2 things.

1 Habbit

2. with all the meds and treatments n stuff this helps me to remember things better and to make sense of things somewhat more when i come across them for the 2nd 3rd 4th time etc.

Im sorry, I will at least try to do more MQ's my dear....please dont hate the Zander

sadface.gif

<3 <3 <3 <3 <3

Zander? · July 12, 2017

Eld probably won't get my whore comment so to clarify, I'm not someone who is bothered by throwing out an early or weak vote. I'm okay with reacting to a post and sharing the love based on what strikes me in a given moment.

i like this

what about it in particular do you like?

Most people itt are pretty townie but there's Def a gap opening between the best and the rest imo. It feels safe atm to give z, sooh, eldrick, and spade an early pass but I'm not yet there with bop or even cordyx and definitely not with anyone else. I always worry that these early reads are just a function of volume.

Just want to make sure im understanding:

Slight Town on the green slight with cordyx and null with the rest!??!!?!?

*the player you subbed in for not you* is what that first part should have read.

I have no read on you since enjoying your posting means nothing to me wrt your alignment. It makes me not want to killyou not because i think you are a villager but because i have little desire to kill fun people.

secondly are you suspicious of me because you are saying that i've generated very little content overalll or that there is very little content in the thread overall?

Red- How does that even make sense? It was Penny's slot originally but how come when it was supposed to be Penny it was Scum but now because it's me in the same slot its different?!!?? I mean sure maybe if Penneh had posted but she did so......!??!!?!?

Green- You keep talking about not killing someone fun, as a Villager you should wanna lynch Scum period. I don't care if its Mother Theresa, if its my children, the Pope or that sweet sweet Prince returned from the grave Ramsay Bolton, if they're Scum Imma lunch em up.

Blue- Thats not what I said, I said there not a lot of content to evaluate from currently. My issue is more based on your partners interactions with Sooh then you but this response is pretty meh, not gonna lie.

I wish I had some Meta to draw a baseline from but ya not a good start.

as to the red, randing wolf and subbing out is somethign i think penny would do so yes it matters

as to the green, long hair dont care ill do what i want

How many games have you played with Penny?

Has she ever subbed as Scum before? As Town? Is one more prevalent?

You don't think its possible she outted before role pm's were out or she couldn't have outted as Town?

Do you know she doesn't like playing as Scum at all?

i've probably played in over 20 games with her over a couple years across 2 different forums.

She doesnt like playing as scum i know that. I would have to look up to see how many times she has subbed out as scum before but i don't know if she habitually does it but i could certainly see her doing it hence my initial concern.

You say "You don't think its possible she outted before role pm's were out or she couldn't have outted as Town?" as if i am commiting to the read that you are lock scum when i have already said several times i dont know what you are.

So you generally assume anyone subbing out is Scummy?

Does Penneh sub out as Town?

Cause if not this line of reasoning is not very good imo

as i said last night, it is entirely possible she could have subbed out as town but i have extra information that makes me think she could have as scum. but as i said several times already since i learned that she wanted to sub before she got her role PM it is now irrelevent.

YOURE NOT ANSWERING MY QUESTION

HAVE YOU EVER SEEN OR PLAYED IN A GAME WHERE PENNY HAS SUBBED OUT AS SCUM?!!?!?

" " AS TOWN?!?!?!?!

it is relevant for the reasons ive mentioned

Answer my qwuestions directly n maybe we can put this to bed?!?!?!?!

Jesus man he's a doctor not a mafia-wizard!

................................

Zande, if you caught up and then replied in a couple of posts instead of replying to each post you'd probably save yourself a lot of frustration and time.

You'd also save me a lot of coffee, just saying.

Ain't going to happen

*hums*

Soohray at least gets me somewhat...lolololol

Zande, if you caught up and then replied in a couple of posts instead of replying to each post you'd probably save yourself a lot of frustration and time.

You'd also save me a lot of coffee, just saying.

Ain't going to happen

*hums*

It was wishful thinking.

dont the player hate the game....please?!?!!?!?!?

:wub: :wub: :wub: :wub:

CAN YOU SPAMMY JERKS STOP POSTING SO I CAN CATCH UP FFS?!?!?!?!?!?!

You're contributing to a good chunk of this, Z.

this was meant to be a joke.....sadface,gif

Well well well let's not getting up on Zander now guys, the dude's got to win right that's almost half. He's practically as good as if you played the game at random and we need to respect that by giving him space.

ummmmmm what?!!?!?!?!?

Darthe · July 12, 2017

Yeah you should go ahead and stop that man. People are being nice about it but you're getting the mafia equivalent of ZANDER SHUT UP ABOUT IT from near every active player.

Darthe · July 12, 2017

Lol I loved that reaction

Zander? · July 12, 2017

YOURE NOT ANSWERING MY QUESTION

HAVE YOU EVER SEEN OR PLAYED IN A GAME WHERE PENNY HAS SUBBED OUT AS SCUM?!!?!?

" " AS TOWN?!?!?!?!

it is relevant for the reasons ive mentioned

Answer my qwuestions directly n maybe we can put this to bed?!?!?!?!

omfg Z, in which universe is this productive in the least?

omfg S asking questions is stupid idea in Mafia right?

Im just trying to get an answer to some IMO pretty simple questions. First you have an issue with it now that people are blasting me for it youre with them, thats Scummy AF unless you wnt to show me what Im missing!?!?!?!

Eldrick town looks like an easy read this game, for sure.

I'm actually liking zander too. Marsh, on the other hand, not Suu much.

......................Derf legit sketching me out, he's prolly just a Wolf tho

Why?

Derf is an awful Zander reader, he even admitted this in one of the QT's last game. Knowing that I am Town, this post pings me some

Even for you thats beyond weak

How so?

Spadeszee · July 12, 2017

I am aware of this for the love of GOD!!!!!

Ive explained my issues with it NUMEROUS TIMES!!!!!

It was who he pushed and why he pushed her Im concerned with,

Its like saying something like, "OMG im so glad youre on Scum team person A" ITT when it was supposed to be in the Scum WT and saying...its not an issue because I took it back....(yes i know not as severe but im also trying to explain things to a lot of people who DONT speak fluent Zanderese!!!)

So all I want answered (BY BOP is my direct questions.

1. Has Bop seen Penneh sub out as Scum before?

2. Has Bop seen Penneh sub out as Town before?

3. Does he always find people who sub out Scummy and is never/rarely/sometimes/always (choose appropriate one)?

Again MY ISSUE (AND YES I KNOW HE CLAIMED TAKEBACKSIES) is Penny is an EASY mislynch and Im wondering because of that did he just try to find/manufacture and easy reason to try to lynch her when he OBV DIDNT KNOW she had subbed out pregame/prerand....

PLEASE TELL ME YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THIS FROM MY ENFP BRAIN!!!!!!!!

If anyone knows Bop and Pennys relationship, they would understand that he was being very tongue in cheek. While I wouldn't have let him just vote Penny off because "lol everyone kills Penny first day", he wasn't being serious in that regard. You missed any and all context that goes with this. You know how you and Cory pocket eachother every game (or so I've heard), it's the same thing only the opposite with Bop. It's a joke. Nobody voted for "her", nobody voted for you based off of this. You want to talk about a reach? Holy crap man. I feel like you're too invested in this idea that Bop was trying to vote off Penny (who isn't even in this game), that now you can't just drop it. You need to take something from this when there literally isn't anything here.

To the other part of this question of him seeing Penny sub out. He has answered that multiple times. Go back and read. Read carefully. But again, this is all irrelevant because of context.

I can try to ask Cory or anyone else who knows Bop and Penny to confirm that Bop was taking the piss.

I can deal with INFP's but not ENFP's, too much energy! My INFJ brain hurts.

I know my alignment and I am tired of explaining this. I'm wasting my time going in circles to try to help you but I need to focus on other people.

Zander? · July 12, 2017

Yeah, sorry. I mentioned in sign ups that we're gearing up for vacation, and we're leaving on Sat, so I've been busy cleaning the house so it'll be nice to come home to, plus there's quite a bit to do on Mafia Universe these days with the Anni game and moderation.

I can't be here as much as I wish, and that sucks.

From what you've read so far do you have thoughts and stuff?

Not too much as of yet. I find Bop using Alette outing as a basis for a read is eyebrow-raising worthy. Nothing surprising or very alignment indicative from Zander yet as far as I remember, and Eldrick looks like he normally does in his town games.

Didnt you just take issue with ME doing this?!?!!?!?

I did not. where do you think you read that?

*the player you subbed in for not you* is what that first part should have read.

I have no read on you since enjoying your posting means nothing to me wrt your alignment. It makes me not want to killyou not because i think you are a villager but because i have little desire to kill fun people.

secondly are you suspicious of me because you are saying that i've generated very little content overalll or that there is very little content in the thread overall?

Red- How does that even make sense? It was Penny's slot originally but how come when it was supposed to be Penny it was Scum but now because it's me in the same slot its different?!!?? I mean sure maybe if Penneh had posted but she did so......!??!!?!?

Green- You keep talking about not killing someone fun, as a Villager you should wanna lynch Scum period. I don't care if its Mother Theresa, if its my children, the Pope or that sweet sweet Prince returned from the grave Ramsay Bolton, if they're Scum Imma lunch em up.

Blue- Thats not what I said, I said there not a lot of content to evaluate from currently. My issue is more based on your partners interactions with Sooh then you but this response is pretty meh, not gonna lie.

I wish I had some Meta to draw a baseline from but ya not a good start.

Yeah, I know there's a "Rand wolf, sub out" thing that people keep referring to (which I hope is false more often than not tbh), but in this case as I understood it, Penny had communicated her intention to sub out long before the role PMs went out, so I don't understand why you would even think in that direction.

Are you referring to me or him.

If its me I get she did it pregame but it still bothers me.

Penneh is an easy mislynch and it seems like he was trying to fins an insta reason for doing so and it legit bothers me.

He said he's played a lot with her and she subs out as Scum, Im trying to get him to answer if he's seen her do it as Town before as well and if he finds subbing out Scummy in general.

His answers will either make me feel better or worse about him.

#thereadingishard?!?!!?!?!?

Sure is. If you don't understand that I'm referring to Bop in that post, then I don't know what to say.

As far as I'm aware you never tried using Alette outing as a basis for a read, so for you to think that I said that is beyond ridiculous, Z.

First line was me prolly misunderstanding what you meant.

Im not sure what youre getting at with the 2nd part.

And you need to chill some please Soohray.

<3 <3 <3

Darthe · July 12, 2017

Eldrick town looks like an easy read this game, for sure.

I'm actually liking zander too. Marsh, on the other hand, not Suu much.

......................Derf legit sketching me out, he's prolly just a Wolf tho

Why?

Derf is an awful Zander reader, he even admitted this in one of the QT's last game. Knowing that I am Town, this post pings me some

Even for you thats beyond weak

How so?

A lot of reasons, really. I don't think I'm horrible at reading you, I think you just post so much that it's tough to keep track of you as a whole for me. Moreover, you're saying here that since it's tough to read you that I'm not even gonna try, which is just a bad assumption at best. Moving beyond those two things, I said "I'm *ACTUALLY* liking zander here too" since it was surprising to me. That's internally consistent with your own post about me normally finding you hard to read which means you should have gotten the opposite out of it.

Just all around your response was bad man.

Spadeszee · July 12, 2017

And I swear if you're a wolf Zander, you're mean ):

My brain hurts trying to help you understand, please don't be scum.

Cory Caboose · July 12, 2017

Would guess that Zander/Bop is v/v violence

Why do you think S-Bop is Town!?!?!?

posts

reading

Cory Caboose · July 12, 2017

Seriously take a breath Z this is basically a derail now

You are hitting a wall

Look at something else, find some place there isn't a wall

Darthe · July 12, 2017

And I swear if you're a wolf Zander, you're mean ):

My brain hurts trying to help you understand, please don't be scum.

He could be but it's not very likely so far.

MrsClov · July 12, 2017

Zander, I don't hate you. I'm just trying to help you not stress yourself out so much.

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