Sailor Moon Mafia [Advanced] Game Thread

[MrsClov]

Fair warning, my involvement is going to be kind of lacking today. Not feeling great and I have a lot to do. 

I do agree that the Eldrick/SpadesBop thing can be sorted out later though. If they're both telling the truth and one shots it doesn't really matter and are essentially Vanilla at this point. Given the day phase we had, it wouldn't surprise me if there were two 1 shot vigs (not going to get into setup debates at the moment, just going to take the claims for what they are right now) and they both targeted FC. 

I think one of Cuth or Iron needs to be worked out today. I'll need to go back and really reread Fred's posts to have thoughts on him. I like his content so far, but that's not necessarily alignment indicative. 
 

For right now I say we work out Cuth/Iron and then get into the Eldrick/SpadesBop cc. 

[Clovdyx]

 

I would vote myself if it became an issue. Get's the mislynch out of the way if people are gonna tunnel... Frankly if it's this easy and everyone universally thinks that 2 out of 3 of is scum, I'm not going to survive a town flip on any of the others.

I approve of this reasoning. I know others don't agree, but I have felt exactly this as town, and you saying it is a good look to me.

 

 

I have a love/hate relationship with that post.  I have no problem with the sentiment - I've been in games and recognized my place in the PoE.  If you end up hard defending mafia in a way that people don't accept was just a really bad read, and you know you're going down, it's better to keep the thread civil, productive, and looking forward than just ruin the game for everyone by being toxic or distracting.  On the other hand, he knows whether he's town, so I'd really like to hear what his thoughts are on "If it's not as easy as it seems, the best option is..."

[Cory Caboose]

If its between iron and cuth, i want to go iron and its not even close

[csarmi]

 

If strangling hookers is wolfy, I resigned myself to being a wolf the moment I hydra'd with chris

How many dead hookers does it take to change a lightbulb?

 

How many scripters does it take to change a lightbulb?

 

 

none, it's a hardware problem

 

[Cory Caboose]

 

If strangling hookers is wolfy, I resigned myself to being a wolf the moment I hydra'd with chris

How many dead hookers does it take to change a lightbulb?

Chris has done it with 3, just gotta stack them properly

[Spadeszee]

I think I'm going to attempt to get a couple more hours of sleep then ISO Cuth and FC to see what I can get there.

 

While I was weary of Eldricks before he claimed shot, Cuth was still higher on my list and I think I need to put my feelings aside and try to go with what I felt last night.

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

If strangling hookers is wolfy, I resigned myself to being a wolf the moment I hydra'd with chris

How many dead hookers does it take to change a lightbulb?

How many scripters does it take to change a lightbulb?

 

 

none, it's a hardware problem

Answer: Apparently not 3. My basement is still dark as ****

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

If strangling hookers is wolfy, I resigned myself to being a wolf the moment I hydra'd with chris

How many dead hookers does it take to change a lightbulb?

Chris has done it with 3, just gotta stack them properly

Well apparently it is 3. Huh.

[Eldrick4221]

I don't think an sk is likely. I was already town reading the slot, and don't see a reason to think they are anything but what they claim.

 

(I realize the sk speculation is more geared towards me, but I know I'm not)

[Zander?]

Iron/Curh/Fred/Eld

 

gg?

[Eldrick4221]

@Zander irt your comment about my start of day posts. I was kinda out of it. And I already expected a scum flip after how the day ended. I said as much at night.

[Spadeszee]

Iron/Curh/Fred/Eld

 

gg?

Unless we're all fools.

[Eldrick4221]

Iron/Curh/Fred/Eld

 

gg?

And if you're wrong?

 

Not a fan of planning several days in advance.

 

It's likely the rest of scum is in there, but I'm pretty sure by numbers if you don't hit all by then we lose.

[Zander?]

Town/Never Lynching/

 

Linz

Corydyx

 

Town

 

Sooh played great wish she was still around and if Scum should feel proud.

SBop- Believe claim and Eld makes more sense as non Town killer.

 

 

Not Town

 

Eld

 

PoE

 

Iron

Cuth/Fred

Eld

 

If wrong Sooh.Bop

[Fredwood]

 

 

I would vote myself if it became an issue. Get's the mislynch out of the way if people are gonna tunnel... Frankly if it's this easy and everyone universally thinks that 2 out of 3 of is scum, I'm not going to survive a town flip on any of the others.

I approve of this reasoning. I know others don't agree, but I have felt exactly this as town, and you saying it is a good look to me.

 

 

I have a love/hate relationship with that post.  I have no problem with the sentiment - I've been in games and recognized my place in the PoE.  If you end up hard defending mafia in a way that people don't accept was just a really bad read, and you know you're going down, it's better to keep the thread civil, productive, and looking forward than just ruin the game for everyone by being toxic or distracting.  On the other hand, he knows whether he's town, so I'd really like to hear what his thoughts are on "If it's not as easy as it seems, the best option is..."

 

Like I said, if it comes down to that I'm not really able to come up with a real answer. Maybe Sooh is the weakest of the lock clears still, the Eldrick/Bop I'm the one shot vig discussion, could be something there, I'm just not sure what it is right now.

[Fredwood]

Also forgot about Zander,  I'm trying to think if I"m lock clearing him for any other significant reason then being on the Wagon and because you're so high on him because of his meta.

[Eldrick4221]

Night guys

[Zander?]

Also forgot about Zander,  I'm trying to think if I"m lock clearing him for any other significant reason then being on the Wagon and because you're so high on him because of his meta.

 

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[Clovdyx]

So I finally ISO'ed FC (after accidentally ISOing myself first)...not a whole lot of information to go on.  

 

 

 

 

Bop, Cory, Cuth town
Eldrick, Fred scum
That's where I'm at atm.

Regarding my posts in that bug period. Most of them was me changing the format or just outright removing parts of them to see if that would fix things. The others were just made at a different time since I wanted to see if it was just a timing issue so of course the wording would alsi be slightly different.
I believe that cory genuinely believes his read which is why I'm still town reading him but his reasoning is bad. Those set of posts are plain and simply NAI.

 

 

 

 

 

Bop, Cory, Cuth town
Eldrick, Fred scum
That's where I'm at atm.

Regarding my posts in that bug period. Most of them was me changing the format or just outright removing parts of them to see if that would fix things. The others were just made at a different time since I wanted to see if it was just a timing issue so of course the wording would alsi be slightly different.
I believe that cory genuinely believes his read which is why I'm still town reading him but his reasoning is bad. Those set of posts are plain and simply NAI.

 

Can you explain the bold?  I really don't get how Cuth would be a strongish read for anyone (in EITHER direction), and both Fred and Eldrick have looked good to me.  

 

 

Cuth as scum would have pushed me hard by now with what I've posted so far since he knows he can get away with it, that why I've got him as a solid town read.

Eldrick I feel is asking more questions than actually trying to solve.

Fred is pretty much purely gut since I don't know how he usually plays either. His posts just feels off to me but I can't quite put into words what it is that's bugging me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bop, Cory, Cuth town
Eldrick, Fred scum
That's where I'm at atm.

Regarding my posts in that bug period. Most of them was me changing the format or just outright removing parts of them to see if that would fix things. The others were just made at a different time since I wanted to see if it was just a timing issue so of course the wording would alsi be slightly different.
I believe that cory genuinely believes his read which is why I'm still town reading him but his reasoning is bad. Those set of posts are plain and simply NAI.

 

Can you explain the bold?  I really don't get how Cuth would be a strongish read for anyone (in EITHER direction), and both Fred and Eldrick have looked good to me.  

 

 

Cuth as scum would have pushed me hard by now with what I've posted so far since he knows he can get away with it, that why I've got him as a solid town read.

Eldrick I feel is asking more questions than actually trying to solve.

Fred is pretty much purely gut since I don't know how he usually plays either. His posts just feels off to me but I can't quite put into words what it is that's bugging me.

 

 

Can you go elaborate a little bit more on what you think Eldrick OUGHT to be doing but isn't?  I think questioning is directly tied to solving, myself - especially when directed at/about quieter players.

 

He seems to be around just for the sake of been around while asking alot of questions which wolves can easily do.

He apparently voted for me because he claims that I admitted to been a wolf but he switched off not long after. Don't understand why he would switch off me so quickly if he truly thought I was a wolf. 

 

 

 

 

@Fleeing - are your reads exactly what they were before?  

Not much has changed, I don't think you guys should be reading Sooh when she's done little from what I've seen. Still don't have a read on Ironeyes.

 

 

 

 

 

That's the bulk of his substance.  The difference in depth between Eldrick and Fred for his scumreads stands out to me, so if I weren't already pretty comfortable with Eldrick, I would definitely move him towards the end of the POE.

 

I don't really feel strongly about his stance on Cuth in either direction.  I have no experience with him and Cuth, minimal experience with Cuth, and I think the only time I've seen Scoobs play was one meaningless turbo.  

 

The thing about Iron stands out to me?  If I ever stop being lazy, I'll run one on Iron and see what he said towards/about FC.

Bop, Cory, Cuth town
Eldrick, Fred scum
That's where I'm at atm.

Regarding my posts in that bug period. Most of them was me changing the format or just outright removing parts of them to see if that would fix things. The others were just made at a different time since I wanted to see if it was just a timing issue so of course the wording would alsi be slightly different.
I believe that cory genuinely believes his read which is why I'm still town reading him but his reasoning is bad. Those set of posts are plain and simply NAI.

 

[Clovdyx]

Also forgot about Zander,  I'm trying to think if I"m lock clearing him for any other significant reason then being on the Wagon and because you're so high on him because of his meta.

 

 

 

Also forgot about Zander,  I'm trying to think if I"m lock clearing him for any other significant reason then being on the Wagon and because you're so high on him because of his meta.

 

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Zander, you are the only person I have ever played with that could turn being called "lock clear" as shading.

[Cory Caboose]

 

Here's some unnecessary analogy to try and explain how I view mafia in general, but also specifically my feelings on Iron:

 

Imagine the game of Mafia as a literal mice maze with a reward (say, a block of cheese) at the end.

 

Now imagine two different mice - the first, brand new to the lab, gets unleashed in the maze. it scurries hastily toward the exit, turning at dead ends, backtracking, but continually moving closer toward the reward.

 

The second mouse is a veteran who's done it for years. He gets to the exit on auto-pilot, knowing the path he needs to take.

 

That's how subjective information changes progress. How are wolves different from villagers? Wolves don't need to figure out the game, they just have to act like they're trying to. There is nothing for them to actually figure out. There's no inner workings of curiosity, no new lab rat running into walls.

 

Ironeyes is acting like he's trying to - but he isn't.

 

What does that say to you?

But it's like, all his moves are so obviously wolfy. I looked through and it has zero substance. Would a wolf really act like this? I just can't imagine thinking you could get away with posting like this.

Is Iron new to the game?

I feel bad because if he isn't a wolf I'm really confused by his approach. 

Maybe I'm a tryhard or something, but in either alignment he's not doing his job at all. 

He's not solving and not even seemingly covering his tracks.

I'm not trying to call him bad, in fact he sat in my neutral pile for a while and I even defended him because his early posts didn't seem to have enough there to read him either way. But looking at them all together, he hasn't done anything but push a scruff vote.

 

 

@Spades

 

I, uh, wouldn't really call it "obviously wolfy" in the grand scheme of things. In my games, just posting sporadic game-related content and being halfway present is enough to keep you from the lynch - villages burn themselves pretty damn often. Hell, it could have gotten that way this game if nobody interfered with the Zander/your slot thing. Iron won his last wolfgame (Fight Club) doing pretty much the same thing he's done here so far - what's his incentive to change if it works?

 

Unfortunately, it does make you stand out like a sore thumb when the village is trying super hard (I would say this game qualifies) but that's not something you can really predict, and powerwolfing takes a great deal of stamina and persistence. Depending on your personal situation, those are reserves you may not have.

[Zander?]

@Zander irt your comment about my start of day posts. I was kinda out of it. And I already expected a scum flip after how the day ended. I said as much at night.

 

 

Meh....

 

 

 

 

 

Iron/Curh/Fred/Eld

 

gg?

And if you're wrong?

 

Not a fan of planning several days in advance.

 

It's likely the rest of scum is in there, but I'm pretty sure by numbers if you don't hit all by then we lose.

 

 

 

See below

 

 

Town/Never Lynching/

 

Linz

Corydyx

 

Town

 

Sooh played great wish she was still around and if Scum should feel proud.

SBop- Believe claim and Eld makes more sense as non Town killer.

 

 

Not Town

 

Eld

 

PoE

 

Iron

Cuth/Fred

Eld

 

If wrong Sooh.Bop

 

 

See above.

 

 

 

Iron/Curh/Fred/Eld

 

gg?

Unless we're all fools.

 

 

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[Zander?]

 

Also forgot about Zander,  I'm trying to think if I"m lock clearing him for any other significant reason then being on the Wagon and because you're so high on him because of his meta.

 

 

 

Also forgot about Zander,  I'm trying to think if I"m lock clearing him for any other significant reason then being on the Wagon and because you're so high on him because of his meta.

 

shadeattemptdenied.gif

 

 

Zander, you are the only person I have ever played with that could turn being called "lock clear" as shading.

 

 

he trying to cast doubt imo

 

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[Zander?]

Anyways how much longer are we waiting?!!?!?

 

maybe get a reads list from everyone or something?

 

Or move this along?!!?!?

[Cory Caboose]

I doubt I ever move my vote today and probably will push the thread back toward Iron if it ever goes in any other direction

 

But if people want to take their time, I'm fine /w it