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  On 6/13/2017 at 3:41 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 3:38 AM, Adella said:

Shad, watch the DM pg-13 rule please. I get that you're frustrated, but if you're cussing maybe you should take a step back for a minute.

 

Also, I'm sorry if you feel no one is allowed to make a joke now and then, but that is actually false. DPR has been drowning us in game related posts, but god forbid he make one lighthearted one. Also, I do what I want, so...

Which I have commented on, at length, and received zero feedback on.

 

 What do you want people to say? I suggested a policy lynch and no one went for it. Just because he has been posting a lot doesn't mean we have to lynch him. If that was the case you would be long gone.

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  On 6/13/2017 at 3:42 AM, Adella said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 3:41 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 3:38 AM, Adella said:

Shad, watch the DM pg-13 rule please. I get that you're frustrated, but if you're cussing maybe you should take a step back for a minute.

 

Also, I'm sorry if you feel no one is allowed to make a joke now and then, but that is actually false. DPR has been drowning us in game related posts, but god forbid he make one lighthearted one. Also, I do what I want, so...

Which I have commented on, at length, and received zero feedback on.

 

 What do you want people to say? I suggested a policy lynch and no one went for it. Just because he has been posting a lot doesn't mean we have to lynch him. If that was the case you would be long gone.

 

 

What does his quantity of text have to do with anything?  I think he's a wolf.  I explained why.  No one wants to touch it because ??? he's intimidating or something?  That does not have any bearing on his rand.

Posted
  On 6/13/2017 at 2:59 AM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 2:23 AM, Cass said:

@DPR

 

Can you elaborate on the bold/actual concerns you have with me/my own play?

 

I've seen you do three things linking me with other players now rather than evaluating my own play in a way that leaves me open to your vote over the 'links' alone and it concerns me.

 

 

You say you don't see Dice/I as the last two mafia - why the linear division? What about Dice-BFG / Dice-Shad? 

 

 

What do you make of Adella's content? Your only comment is on her presence, nothing about the content, unlike your other reads?

 

 

Sure.

 

I have D1 notes connecting you, Shad and BFG.

 

For Shad, you communicate with him more than anyone else - especially in the beginning. There is a lot of banter and a lot of back and forth. That seems to have dropped off since and I always jot a note when people start communicative heavy and then drop off for no particular reason. 

 

Will you offer thoughts on why you stopped communication with him as much as you were? 

 

Breaking this up for ease of reply

 

Back-and-forth and banter is just the way I tend to communicate when there's little else to focus on, especially with friends I chat to on Skype/know well. They're also the people I tend to focus on the most early on. Shad is the player that reads me most accurately in game and I've done well reading him in the past because as TownShad he often posts my own thoughts ITT before I get to them, so me honing in on him is normal. 

 

Less communication/fluff happens as the game gets more involved/suspicions grow for me so /shrug in general. 

 

Taking a step back from Shad is because tinfoil and fear from previous game. He has previously read me Town with similar explanations as here when he was Scum, and buddied me hard in the beginning so there's probably an aspect of once bitten, twice shy. I'm watching rather than possibly being taken advantage of. FTR he is also the player that reads me most accurately and his own personality enjoys a laugh so debating/pushing him on that alone to look for clues in his alignment is fruitless/null. If Town it distracts him from doing his thing, if Scum it gives him a circular angle to push; and I'm not across everything else enough to dig into him properly yet.

Posted

What's been making me want to pull my hair out all day is I'm pretty confident he's a wolf and the reasons have been laid out ad nauseam and no one wants to touch them with a ten foot pole even to explain why they disagree, meanwhile I am somehow finding difficulty conveying very simple details about this game that make me want to bash my head through the monitor for needing to explain.

Posted

This is not normal or productive:

 

"I am suspicious because you said x."

 

"I didn't say that, I said not x."

 

"Whatever wolf."

Posted
  On 6/13/2017 at 3:37 AM, Shad_ said:

Last I heard Shanti still wants to lynch me because she thinks I've been pushing to lynch BFG too aggressively.

 

No. That isn't why I want to lynch you. I want to lynch you because in my re-read you came off as scummy quite a bit. More than most here, with the exception of Dice. THAT is why I want to lynch you.

I think this entire thing going back forth about BFG is ridiculous and a waste of time and votes

Posted
  On 6/13/2017 at 3:51 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 3:42 AM, Adella said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 3:41 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 3:38 AM, Adella said:

Shad, watch the DM pg-13 rule please. I get that you're frustrated, but if you're cussing maybe you should take a step back for a minute.

 

Also, I'm sorry if you feel no one is allowed to make a joke now and then, but that is actually false. DPR has been drowning us in game related posts, but god forbid he make one lighthearted one. Also, I do what I want, so...

Which I have commented on, at length, and received zero feedback on.

 

 What do you want people to say? I suggested a policy lynch and no one went for it. Just because he has been posting a lot doesn't mean we have to lynch him. If that was the case you would be long gone.

 

 

What does his quantity of text have to do with anything?  I think he's a wolf.  I explained why.  No one wants to touch it because ??? he's intimidating or something?  That does not have any bearing on his rand.

 

 

I don't want to touch it because I don't think he's scum. You wanted people to believe that him going after BFG was a scum move, which in fact it was not. I'm not even sure at which points (since you claim there were multiple) that I stated you were going after BFG. I think I may have said you were ONCE and just before I confused you for Cass, but you were planting doubt as to her claim being real, yet you were still stating DPR was scum for wanting to lynch her. 

Posted
  On 6/13/2017 at 3:51 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 3:42 AM, Adella said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 3:41 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 3:38 AM, Adella said:

Shad, watch the DM pg-13 rule please. I get that you're frustrated, but if you're cussing maybe you should take a step back for a minute.

 

Also, I'm sorry if you feel no one is allowed to make a joke now and then, but that is actually false. DPR has been drowning us in game related posts, but god forbid he make one lighthearted one. Also, I do what I want, so...

Which I have commented on, at length, and received zero feedback on.

 

 What do you want people to say? I suggested a policy lynch and no one went for it. Just because he has been posting a lot doesn't mean we have to lynch him. If that was the case you would be long gone.

 

 

What does his quantity of text have to do with anything?  I think he's a wolf.  I explained why.  No one wants to touch it because ??? he's intimidating or something?  That does not have any bearing on his rand.

 

 

Just because you think he is scum doesn't mean anyone else has to. And it's not really our job to argue the points you make against other people. Obviously there isn't a lynch being led, so I personally don't feel the need to comment on everything that doesn't relate to me or make anyone seem scummy.

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 3:59 AM, Shad_ said:

What's been making me want to pull my hair out all day is I'm pretty confident he's a wolf and the reasons have been laid out ad nauseam and no one wants to touch them with a ten foot pole even to explain why they disagree, meanwhile I am somehow finding difficulty conveying very simple details about this game that make me want to bash my head through the monitor for needing to explain.

 

I get that. I hate when I'm super sure and no one is listening but... there is usually a reason when people don't listen. Maybe we just don't have that gut feeling you're getting, there isn't really a way to force that on people. It has always been a given in this game, in my experience, that sometimes your strong feelings just aren't going to soak in for other people. That is when you step back and let people digest the information, either they will get it, or they won't. You can answer questions and talk with people, but you can't force the issue. I feel like you probably know this, but with how frustrated you seem, I feel like it bears repeating here.

Posted

That being said, the game isn't over if we don't lynch DPR today, wait for him to dig his grave deeper if he is scum, keep on him if that's how you feel (heh) and keep playing the game. Because this is the game.

 

 

 

Also, I like to put my money where my mouth is:

[v]Dice[/v]

Posted
  On 6/13/2017 at 4:03 AM, Shanti said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 3:37 AM, Shad_ said:

Last I heard Shanti still wants to lynch me because she thinks I've been pushing to lynch BFG too aggressively.

 

No. That isn't why I want to lynch you. I want to lynch you because in my re-read you came off as scummy quite a bit. More than most here, with the exception of Dice. THAT is why I want to lynch you.

I think this entire thing going back forth about BFG is ridiculous and a waste of time and votes

 

 

Yeah I read your reasons and some of it was bleh and other parts were fair enough.  Tunnels are obnoxious but that's part of the game.  I'm harping on that one point of minutia because it annoys the hell out of me, because it's literally the opposite of everything I've said this phase and you dropped it twice in spite of me pointing this out the first time.  I'm not a wolf, so if you are a villager, and it is extremely likely that you are, it would behoove you to continue to pay attention to my posts. 

Posted
  On 6/13/2017 at 2:59 AM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 2:23 AM, Cass said:

 

@DPR

 

Can you elaborate on the bold/actual concerns you have with me/my own play?

 

I've seen you do three things linking me with other players now rather than evaluating my own play in a way that leaves me open to your vote over the 'links' alone and it concerns me.

 

 

You say you don't see Dice/I as the last two mafia - why the linear division? What about Dice-BFG / Dice-Shad? 

 

 

What do you make of Adella's content? Your only comment is on her presence, nothing about the content, unlike your other reads?

 

 

 

 

I have D1 notes connecting you, Shad and BFG.

 

/snip

 

For BFG, it's the opposite. I note things like you crashtackling almost every other player as soon as they posted. But not BFG. Your first quote with her is below:

 

  On 6/6/2017 at 10:14 AM, Cass said:

 

  On 6/6/2017 at 9:41 AM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/6/2017 at 4:08 AM, Cass said:

 

  On 6/6/2017 at 3:23 AM, Shanti said:

 

  On 6/6/2017 at 3:21 AM, Tigraine said:

I am most definitely not scum this time around. I just can't get used to calling it wolfy sorry.But you are kinda rolling in with a lot of pep Shanti *stares suspiciously*

Just excited to have another game to play.

You also claimed to not be "scum" in both of our previous games. Forgive me if I don't believe you.

*watches*

@Tigs

Initial mindmeld, but she started pretty peppy in Peg + Cat as well... Is extra pep a bad thing wrt Shanti specifically, for you?

If Shanti was peppy in peg+cat as town why were you suspicious of it this game?

Mostly her rapid-fire entry here drew my attention as different to last game, and the pep/play tone seemed possibly overdone.

 

Went back and looked - the rapid-fire is different, the pep/play is similar enough. #earlygamesmallthings /shrug

 

What's your take?

 

 

It's like you're continuing a conversation from another place. No creashtackle, no hello, just an answer - unlike your response to everyone else.

 

I'll also point out that you offer very few opinions in ratio to the number of questions you ask. 

 

I could be wrong, but I probably never crashtackle once a conversation's already started? And I consider her asking questions the start of the conversation?

 

Generally if someone asks me a serious game-related question, I'll give them a serious answer.

 

 

My take on this is BFG questions me/Tigs (ambigous), I answer, ask her for her own thoughts, watch her interaction with Tigs v. her interaction with me.

 

 

 

Wrt the second bold - Questioning is what I do :P /shrug I give opinions where I have them, and after I've received answers from people I elaborate on my own thoughts/why I questioned in the first place and sum up with an opinion if I have one.

Posted
  On 6/13/2017 at 3:38 AM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 3:28 AM, Shanti said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 3:24 AM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 3:16 AM, Shanti said:

@Adella are you still leaning DPR as your biggest scum atm? If not then who is?

 

@BFG same question to you.

 

@DPR same question

 

Sorry everything is all jumbled for me trying to read back through.

 

Cass where are you standing?

 

 

I'm not really leaning toward myself as my biggest scum. I mean, I'm good - but I'm not that good.

 

You settled after throwing your fit? 

 

 

Throwing my fit?

 

You know what I meant. I get you've got your knickers in a wad right now, but you should calm your tits towards one of the only people not gunning for you right now.

 

 

Oh, I'm not concerned with the people "gunning for me" right now. That ship ain't gonna sail and they're already backing off of it. 

 

Your fit, on the other hand, has the potential to derail your own game. We have plenty of time. Let folks post and put themselves out there. When it's time to make moves, people will.

 

You gotta keep the emo in check or you'll burn out early - your sis will back me up on this. Relax. 

 

 

I truly have no clue what you're talking about. I had a fit in P + C, but I feel I've remained quite calm in this game, I've continued to give my thoughts, and yes it has been frustrating feeling as I do and seeming to have no one wholeheartedly agree, but thats a part of the game and I think I've handled it well, kept my thoughts straight, and my mind settled with scum reads decided.

 

*shrug* oh well.

Posted
  On 6/13/2017 at 3:23 AM, Adella said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

so what? you want me to ignore a cop view? never happen unless I am the cop and they fake claimed. Im not the cop so this game that was never gonna happen.

 

heres a hint for you   people coming into line on a person after a cop view means nothing. EVERYBODY will do it regardless of alignment regardless of if they were defending a person or were attacking the cop themselves. like 90+% of the time.

 

 

 

Large part at the very bottom: sounds like exactly what you did...

 

 

 

your right. i followed the cop. I wasnt reading them as scum or town at the time so when a result was given I followed.

Posted
  On 6/13/2017 at 4:07 AM, Adella said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 3:51 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 3:42 AM, Adella said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 3:41 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 3:38 AM, Adella said:

Shad, watch the DM pg-13 rule please. I get that you're frustrated, but if you're cussing maybe you should take a step back for a minute.

 

Also, I'm sorry if you feel no one is allowed to make a joke now and then, but that is actually false. DPR has been drowning us in game related posts, but god forbid he make one lighthearted one. Also, I do what I want, so...

Which I have commented on, at length, and received zero feedback on.

 

 What do you want people to say? I suggested a policy lynch and no one went for it. Just because he has been posting a lot doesn't mean we have to lynch him. If that was the case you would be long gone.

 

 

What does his quantity of text have to do with anything?  I think he's a wolf.  I explained why.  No one wants to touch it because ??? he's intimidating or something?  That does not have any bearing on his rand.

 

 

Just because you think he is scum doesn't mean anyone else has to. And it's not really our job to argue the points you make against other people. Obviously there isn't a lynch being led, so I personally don't feel the need to comment on everything that doesn't relate to me or make anyone seem scummy.

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 3:59 AM, Shad_ said:

What's been making me want to pull my hair out all day is I'm pretty confident he's a wolf and the reasons have been laid out ad nauseam and no one wants to touch them with a ten foot pole even to explain why they disagree, meanwhile I am somehow finding difficulty conveying very simple details about this game that make me want to bash my head through the monitor for needing to explain.

 

I get that. I hate when I'm super sure and no one is listening but... there is usually a reason when people don't listen. Maybe we just don't have that gut feeling you're getting, there isn't really a way to force that on people. It has always been a given in this game, in my experience, that sometimes your strong feelings just aren't going to soak in for other people. That is when you step back and let people digest the information, either they will get it, or they won't. You can answer questions and talk with people, but you can't force the issue. I feel like you probably know this, but with how frustrated you seem, I feel like it bears repeating here.

 

 

I was struggling with this earlier. I feel deep down in my gut I'm right and felt like no one was listening lol. Its why I took a step back and redid my work profile. I turned it all piratey and nautical...'s cool. :D

Posted

It's hard to keep it calm in this game when people are basically telling you that you're wrong or a liar. This game is not for everyone that's for sure. I'm sure Shad will be just fine.

Posted
  On 6/13/2017 at 2:59 AM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

 

  On 6/7/2017 at 2:29 PM, Cass said:

 

  On 6/7/2017 at 2:20 PM, Nynaeve said:

I dont have much to add atm. I want more bfg in the game. Less shad in the game. And kronoz is most likely town cause he's a hot mess as scum. But that's soley based on him. Dont have much of an opinion on killa.

 

Darthe is being darthe so far. Null. And now that i said his name twice, im prolly hexed

 

Yey thoughts!

 

1. I agree with the BFG comment - is she bothering you? I have tinfoil that there are similarities between here and Hackers. 

 

2. Do you ever read Shad?

 

3. What do you make of Dice? To me his Shad/Alf approach is ... off. I don't disagree with what he says, but it's - Stubborn like Town but not the same depth/true vehemence.. Shallow?

 

 

  On 6/7/2017 at 2:21 PM, Nynaeve said:

All your fault btw

 

Bah. 

 

There's a card out there somewhere that prevents hexes. If you're Town and he's scum I'll throw it your way :P :wub:

 

 

I've bold redded the point here that bugged me - did you ever sort this suspicion out? It looks like distancing and wasn't followed up on that I saw. 

 

 

What follow-up would you have been expecting beyond what exists?

 

This is me being sus of Nyn for her trolly start and hedgey answers/debating that it could be RL influences and interacting with her in a way that would draw her out either way and get answers on the other players I was also sus on at the time (BFG, Shad, Dice ~Alf) - which was followed up on. Nyn and Cuth hedged on BFG - they could've done this regardless if she was partnered with them or an unknown they likely considered Town/needed shade.

 

Tinfoil on BFG still exists. The non-Town claim fits the off feeling I had about her in Hackers, no idea yet what exactly it is. I'm no further along with her than yesterday, when I shared concerns her role could be independent winner/scum rather than the way she paints it as Town aligned.

Posted
  On 6/13/2017 at 4:07 AM, Shanti said:

I don't want to touch it because I don't think he's scum. You wanted people to believe that him going after BFG was a scum move, which in fact it was not. I'm not even sure at which points (since you claim there were multiple) that I stated you were going after BFG. I think I may have said you were ONCE and just before I confused you for Cass, but you were planting doubt as to her claim being real, yet you were still stating DPR was scum for wanting to lynch her.

 

You should probably drop the "100% certainty" and "as a matter of fact" language from your game.  You've been doing it a lot.  Not because there's anything inherently wrong with feeling that way, but because it implies mechanical things that will mislead other villagers irt PRs.  It's something you can use to mess with scum's head, if you know what you're doing about it, but you're begging a mislynch if you walk into D2 calling someone 100% scum and they flip town.  People who fail to attribute it to newness will think you were softing cop to secure a mislynch and then backpedaling out of it after the fact.

 

Back to this game: Only wolves and dead people know our alignments for a matter of fact.  You're just in a tunnel, and I would wager by the extent of it that your primary reason for thinking DPR is town is your conviction that I am not.  Try to set that aside and read his posts independently.  There are very obvious reasons why scum!DPR would pounce on a 3P claim: precisely, a misgauge of how villagers would take the claim resulting in wanting to be the first in line to bulldoze a non-town for credit.  I challenged him at length for why his reasoning was -ev and he dismissed the arguments while trying to spin it back in my face to make me a suspect.  That is not town play.

 

Re: BFG I said that the 6P wincon portion of her claim is fake more often than it's real, and I stand by that.  If you interpret that as seeding doubt you're missing the point because my conclusion was exactly: she is very likely a Survivor and should not be lynched.  On a personal level it's not something I believe BFG would do as scum.  I did explore it from a purely mechanical level, and concluded that given improbability of night actions etc scum is possible but highly unlikely (and a claimed doc would counter it).  I'm not going to not do the math even if I'm bad at it.  If you took that as shade I think it's only because you were convinced I was a wolf before you ever got to it.  The thing about tunnels is they make people approach posts as "what is the scum agenda here" rather than "is there a scum agenda here?"  Try to read DPR independently for a moment.  Pretend I'm town, if you will.

Posted
  On 6/13/2017 at 2:59 AM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

 

Then we have this:

 

  On 6/7/2017 at 3:48 PM, Cass said:

 

  On 6/7/2017 at 3:34 PM, Killashandra said:

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

I would throw BFG in the townish pile got now. I liked the tone and activity she displayed earlier but I do not have much personal experience with her.

 

LZM is pretty null. Not a lot to go off of there.

 

Kronos posted pretty much exactly what was niggling at me with Shanti.

 

With Shad my hedgyness was more of a, I should be more wary but my gut says town. So it still says town now and thats what I am going with until I see a red flag.

 

 

KK thanks - Ok for BFG/LZM.

 

WRT Shanti - Kronos mostly talks about Shanti's own responses, you mention the meta talk 'about her' as well? WRT Shad - The main thing that throws me was you pointing out logic loop in Shad's BFG read, and then saying that you found his content 'reasonable'.

 

 

 

Lots of focus on Shad and BFG here, and again, no real resolution to the points brought up. 

 

It's stuff like the above that pings me. Doesn't make you scum, but it doesn't scream town either.

 

Quid pro quo time:  

 

Give us your deep read on dice.

 

I also want dice to give his his deep read on you. 

 

 

Focus on Shad and BFG again normal given our relationships and my suspicions of BFG/tinfoil on Shad/Killa's contradicitons - and my last post there literally is the followup/working towards a resolution, at least in my mind?

 

The stuff you've highlighted is literally just the way I work, questioning and judging other people's reactions in comparison to my own reads/thoughts on people, and I tend to watch the people I know more more than others.

 

It bothers me that your sus on me is linked directly with other players and not much else other than my personality but reading through what you've highlighted, I'd maybe be conscious of possi-connections there so /shrug. But without flips I'd be digging deeper to try and get more info rather than just chucking out theories that 'X is possibly linked with X'. Ta for explaining. I'll chew on it.

 

I'm not current on Dice, deep read before this EoD.

Posted
Vote count:

 

Dice (2): Killanos, Adella

 

BFG (2): DPR, Dice

 

DPR (2): BFG, Shad, 

 

Shad (2): Shanti, Eldrick

 

Not voting (1):  Cass

 

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

 

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Posted
  On 6/13/2017 at 2:59 AM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 2:23 AM, Cass said:

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 1:41 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

So, I've rr a bit. I didn't find a smoking gun. 

 

I found a lot of playing along the current style - "the playbook says do this, so that's what we'll do!" kind of stuff. Honestly, that just bores me. It's so easy to manipulate. 

 

I think for now it's in the Town's best interest if I don't post a ton of spec. I'm not really in a place where I think a debate is necessary as we have a claimed non-Town to lynch and no reason  not to lynch her - Town doesn't lose anything and we gain the info. 

 

I have BFG and Shad for the last 2 mafia. 

 

Shanti has been overly aggressive and is making bold plays for no apparent reason, but I don't see her dustup with Nyn as a gambit.

 

dice is doing his thing - I like what he sells and he's one of the most likely to sell me on it. But, I don't like him for scum right now.

 

Adella was more present D1. She's kind of dropped off. Could be the weekend. Could be letting the fireworks show (small one) take attention away form her. 

 

Killanos seems to be measured. Kronos isn't pinging, but isn't really around much. Killa seems to be mellow this game - no emo this time around, which is different for her. But, I can't stand Hydra's, so I tend to dismiss them. Probably worked against me with Cuth/Nyn. 

 

Cass... Meh, if Shad and BFG don't flip scum, she'd be my next pick, but it could just be her thought process and her picking up points that matter to her instead of trying to steer the game. I tend to watch other players reactions with folks I don't read well, and dice hasn't called her out, so I'll go with that. I don't see dice and Cass as the last 2 Mafia. 

 

That's about it.

 

No one has said "BFG's claim sounds solid to me!", and as I'm the one leading the case against her, it makes sense to me that I'd get voted over it. It does bug me that now it's Shad and BFG on my train - that would be bad play for a Mafia team, so there's that. maybe Shad is just getting sucked into the play?

 

My vote stays on BFG and ain't likely to change outside of a major revelation.

 

@DPR

 

Can you elaborate on the bold/actual concerns you have with me/my own play?

 

I've seen you do three things linking me with other players now rather than evaluating my own play in a way that leaves me open to your vote over the 'links' alone and it concerns me.

 

 

You say you don't see Dice/I as the last two mafia - why the linear division? What about Dice-BFG / Dice-Shad? 

 

 

What do you make of Adella's content? Your only comment is on her presence, nothing about the content, unlike your other reads?

 

Sure.

 

/snip

 

First bold - still applies, but also understand from possi-conf-biasTown process.

 

Bold underlined - You didn't answer these questions? / Avoided digging deeper into anything but me?

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  On 6/13/2017 at 4:07 AM, Adella said:

Just because you think he is scum doesn't mean anyone else has to. And it's not really our job to argue the points you make against other people. Obviously there isn't a lynch being led, so I personally don't feel the need to comment on everything that doesn't relate to me or make anyone seem scummy.

 

 

I get that. I hate when I'm super sure and no one is listening but... there is usually a reason when people don't listen. Maybe we just don't have that gut feeling you're getting, there isn't really a way to force that on people. It has always been a given in this game, in my experience, that sometimes your strong feelings just aren't going to soak in for other people. That is when you step back and let people digest the information, either they will get it, or they won't. You can answer questions and talk with people, but you can't force the issue. I feel like you probably know this, but with how frustrated you seem, I feel like it bears repeating here.

 

I'm used to games where players are more interactive about exploring their reads together.  You bounce ideas around while keeping a cautious eye on each other and eventually a POE forms out of it and then if your confidence is really high you bash the villagers outside of that bubble over the head with a crowbar until they roll with you.

 

This business of everyone keeping a distance is foreign and frustrating to me.  I expect people who disagree with me to say so and why, and we hash it out and learn from each other and figure out who's chucking themselves into the mix to pull strings in the meantime.  People just ignoring it and doing their own thing takes away the town team element that really energizes me, and ultimately amplifies my strongarm alternative instincts.  Different fields different playstyles, but this phase has felt like pulling teeth from my POV.  I expect some villagers to have solved me and have my back at this point and vice versa.  Dealing with bad suspicion is for D1.  I haven't had to spend this much time arguing about myself on D3 since my earliest games on record.

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  On 6/13/2017 at 3:36 AM, Adella said:

Right now I am seeing the points on Dice as making the most sense. Specifically the bit about clearing Nyn on the wolf emoji, but not liking that Shad did it. Nyn isn't a new player, nor does she lack in the tricky department. She can (and obviously did) make that post just because she would think it's hilarious that she wasn't lying. I don't know why Dice would put that out of the realm of possibility unless he was trying to take heat off of his teammate. That is the one reason I find it hard to believe Dice and Shad may be s/s but it could just be a pretty loud bus.

 

Because its not Nyns usual style. Ive played an awful lot of games and know her very well and I have NEVER seen her do that.

 

How hard is that to understand?

 

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 3:38 AM, Adella said:

Shad, watch the DM pg-13 rule please. I get that you're frustrated, but if you're cussing maybe you should take a step back for a minute.

 

Also, I'm sorry if you feel no one is allowed to make a joke now and then, but that is actually false. DPR has been drowning us in game related posts, but god forbid he make one lighthearted one. Also, I do what I want, so...

 

TY for this I was just about too.

 

I will Add Shanti to this list too tho.

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I don't necessarily agree or disagree with you, personally. It makes it hard for me to bounce thoughts with you, because I think DPR is likely to be town based off of what I have said. I dont see anything to argue about there, because it's really a gut feeling. I'm trying to go with my gut on this game, but I also may be having heartburn or something cause it keeps changing lol.

 

I had you solidly town D2 but I don't like you interactions today, they're giving me an inky feeling and I have read them 3 times now and still can't out my finger in why. Again, just my gut. I wouldn't be shocked on a Shad/Dice s/s team, but I feel much stronger about Dice at this point.

 

What are your thoughts in Dice? If people aren't going to agree on DPR, can we agree elsewhere? If DOR is scum, he isn't the only one left in the game. You've got to have another option.

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Also Shad, your tunneling on DPR when there are clearly more than 1 scum left in game screams scum pushing for a Lynch.

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