[Game thread]Magic The Gathering

[Cass]

I have thoughts but they're all smooshy half investigated circles and I need to sit down after sleep to flesh them out. I'll be on day off and rested and kid free tomorrow so those of you concerned that I haven't put thoughts ITT for a while don't get yer knickers in a knot til at least after then, my RL has been full on and eating my brain power/time and that's all there is to it.

 

Basic gist of my gut on skim through of today to here is I don't trust BFG's claim is exactly what she says it is, imo the chance that she could be scum or solo winner is there and bothering me.

 

Tone-wise I see logical, calculating, determined BFG and it could go either way. There is something-something off with the F versus phase to me.

 

I don't have the experience/understanding/aptitude for mechanics and balance enough to figure it all out on the run but unless mechanically there is some way scum/independent win if she's lying and we don't lynch her TODAY then I'm ambivalent for now.

 

Her claim and activity has stirred reactions from the thread and that's a good thing.

 

With the understanding that I'm sleep deprived and have missed stuff, I have concerns about DPR and Dice for this, but I'm waiting on responses from DPR and need to look back at a TownDice game we played early on, someone ?Csarmi claimed 3p and I remember his reaction was strong but I don't recall which way or how he continued to play after making his call.

 

Shanti's looking best/I have least tinfoil on her. Sleep first and then I'll put together the rest of my half finished thoughts.

 

The more talk this phase, the better. If people cut it short, even if it's to lynch scum, I'ma be crankyCass and eat ALLTHEBROWNIES in frustration. If nobody talks I'ma eat them all in boredom and rampage the thread on a sugar high.

[Shad_]

Hi Cass that's a lot of words.  Why does everyone word @ me....

[Shad_]

  On 6/12/2017 at 6:21 AM, Cass said:

 There is something-something off with the F versus phase to me.

 

Jesus woman it's hard enough for me to think in English right now.

[Shad_]

  On 6/12/2017 at 6:21 AM, Cass said:

I don't have the experience/understanding/aptitude for mechanics and balance enough to figure it all out on the run but unless mechanically there is some way scum/independent win if she's lying and we don't lynch her TODAY then I'm ambivalent for now.

 

Town can't lose by not killing x by D3/N3 in a 13p basic game with a dead wolf.

[Cass]

  On 6/12/2017 at 6:26 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 6:21 AM, Cass said:

There is something-something off with the F versus phase to me.

 

 

Jesus woman it's hard enough for me to think in English right now.

  

 

Her stated wincon.

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 6:30 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 6:21 AM, Cass said:

I don't have the experience/understanding/aptitude for mechanics and balance enough to figure it all out on the run but unless mechanically there is some way scum/independent win if she's lying and we don't lynch her TODAY then I'm ambivalent for now.

 

 

Town can't lose by not killing x by D3/N3 in a 13p basic game with a dead wolf.

Which was my gut and the crux of concern with DPR/Dice in today's play so far. Will wait and see what they come back with.

[Shad_]

  On 6/11/2017 at 3:01 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

2. Mafia will always do whatever they can to extend their lives and their team. That's their job. The claim you have given extends your life until F6 - which is close enough to endgame in a 3 mafia scenario. And it gives you the chance to argue against your lynch from that point, making it a perfectly good claim to make for no reason on D3.

The argument would have to be "the mod lied to me" though.  That's stupid.

[Shad_]

  On 6/11/2017 at 3:16 PM, Shanti said:

I just caught up. I need to re-read, what odd f6 f7 and 3p? All this stuff is confusing me so much I can't focus.

 

One thing I need is to hear from Adella and Dice. Dice defended Nyn. Adella full I attacked me stating she 95% believed I was scum, yet wouldn't move vote to CuthaNyn which I was right about. Serious loss for us with Tigs, sucks she felt the need to reveal to defend me. But, at least I was right about the hydra which treks me I need to re-read interactions involving them.

 

Until terminology is explained, I can't even begin to focus on the BFG situation. I'll check in soon

 

I can explain 3Ps tomorrow if needed, but mafiascum "Survivor" and "Serial Killer" for a basic idea of the two typical 3P roles.

 

BFG isn't a Serial Killer because her claim would lose the game as SK always.

[Cass]

Dice?

 

Where are you?/Got reads?

 

What do you think about:

 

1. DPR

2. Adella

3. Killanos

4. Shanti

 

?

[Eldrick4221]

  On 6/12/2017 at 6:26 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 6:21 AM, Cass said:

There is something-something off with the F versus phase to me.

Jesus woman it's hard enough for me to think in English right now.

What language are you thinking in?

[Shad_]

  On 6/11/2017 at 3:23 PM, Cass said:

My head hurts so much already with this but I think I need to understand it properly rather than just skim past.

 

Someone/multiple someones break down the math for me pls? Options for balance with 13plaers are ???? 9v3v1 or 9v4 +??extra strength in Town PRs??? (right? )

 

Is this 'vig is possible' discussion generator a possible scum move to out PRs, like whatever happened to cause no deaths n1/any others that exist?

 

TLDR opinions /info on whether 4 scum (without a 3p) can be a thing here, please?

I've never seen 4 scum in a 13p with a mod who has a clue what she's doing. Doesn't mean it can't happen but there would be a lot of care given to appropriately balance that imo.  I would wager that the fact that the claimed cop died last night is reason enough to rule it extremely unlikely.

 

3 + survivor is less crazy than half of the C9++ builds.  Obviously 10v3 is the most normal.

[Eldrick4221]

Ok.

 

First of all, dice. I'm not going to look for examples in past games. They are irrelevant. You have a known history of going after people that jokingly claim wolf. I know this about you. You even mentioned in this game that you habitually do this.

 

You went after shad for it. You didn't go after nyn for it. Nyn flipped scum. Facts add up to you distancing by trying to brush away the point that she did it.

 

 

Given some more thought about BFG's claim. I math'd wrong. If we mislynch twice, we will be at F5. Which is the point that I suggested we let her live til. F6 would be an acceptable point to do that. F5 isn't. It's exactly then that she could play kingmaker. Add in the point that she apparently gets removed after she wins, 2 mislynches = scum win if she's telling the truth.

 

If we mislynch today, she has to go tomorrow.

[dicetosser1]

  On 6/12/2017 at 4:09 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/10/2017 at 8:14 AM, dicetosser1 said:

 

  On 6/9/2017 at 10:31 PM, Tigraine said:

Okay so I've been in and out of service today cause I had to come do laundry at my father-in-law's house.

 

 

I've done a reads list for some not for some but I feel like atm it doesn't even matter. What matters is that Cuth/Nyn you ARE scum 100%. I think it's downright dirty to get on here and try to bring personal stuff into a conversation to hide that you are scum and honestly can't believe you haven't been called out by the mod for it. How is that not a personal attack? But I turned you two in last night instead of DPR (which I go for almost every single time I'm a cop in a game with him) because he was away and busy and I knew we had time to deal with him later. But the point is that you are mafia aligned. I really don't care that I will probably be NKed now because people getting on here and finding your personal attacks funny is so far off from what I thought the people on here were like.

 

But that being said [v] Cuth/Nyn [/v]

 

vote cuth/nyn

 

  On 6/9/2017 at 10:35 PM, Tigraine said:

For what it's worth, here's where I got on my reads list

 

Shad-

 

Shanti- I believe she is town. She's getting very passionate about her arguments like she did last game and she was town. I feel she would be in a lighter/less serious mood if she were scum.

 

DPR- hope his grandmother is okay. As hard as it is for me to even type these words, DPR is town/null

 

Adella- it's actually you that i meant the foreboding post for. Ill search it out and quote it for you.

 

Cuth/Nyn- 100% scum, you guys know it and I know it so no need to beat around the bush.

 

Alf-

 

Killa/Kronos- Killa, sorry that foreboding was meant for Adella. Other than that I actually kinda agree with Adella's "commentary" comment. You aren't playing like you have been and I don't know if it's because you are a Hydra or scum. You usually have much more detailed opinions.

 

Cass- I'm curious as to why you found it suspicious that Alf didn't question Dice's joke vote then wondered at why Dice himself didn't question it. He explained early enough that it was a joke why was a lack of response from either of them afterwards a deal to you? I'm not hating the rest of your gameplay, you're getting in and asking questions, asking everyone for reads list but other than quoting other and saying 'move this one here" or "drop that one there" I didn't see an actual reads list from you. Can you give us one pleeeeeaaaaasssseeee? But I am leaning heavily town on you atm because of your questioning and interactions.

 

Dice- you come in, joke vote Alf then explain that vote to Cass and then question Alf as to why he didn't question it. Had he questioned it you would've said it was scummy for questioning an obvious joke vote. The fact that you dedicated 9 or 10 of your posts to that cause wouldn't be a big deal if you had pages of posts but you don't. You have something around 25 now. So that makes it a pretty big deal imo especially when you tried to downplay it. To top that off, when I called you out on that blatant downplay, you conveniently ignore it and say I'm too focused on it. Of course I am, almost half of your post count was about that. I especially don't like that you only questioned him on it after Cass called you out on not asking. I havent took you for the type of player that reacts in that fashion to avoid suspicion. Other than that you have twice (at least) pseudo defended gameplay from Nyn who is scum

 

first off with all the colours ALL of those have been answered   for someone who knows EXACTLY how many posts i i have I hope u actually read them.

 

reds been answered  i took his post as a response. I will also thank you not to tell me what I will or will not think tyvm. You have not played with me enuff to even make a guess let alone KNOW what i would do. And for the record you are totally wrong. it all depends on HOW they respond WHEN they do it and WHAT they say, cause you know I actually READ peoples posts if im going to talk about them.

 

 

Blue  hmmm i wonder why???  would that be because some opf it was the actual conversation and then the rest is responding to people asking about the conversation? I think it is!!

 

and I will give you a really big word to the wise   if you are someone easily offended in a mafia game Id suggest you dont try me regarding post counts. Cause  as it has been before the responses will be extremely blunt. And I wont be apologetic about it.

 

purple asking the same already answered question twice in one post. seriously?? give me a break.

 

 

I'm not sure Dice takes this tone with someone he thinks is town, but he believes her claim?

 

 

try the fact that hes annoyed with repeating himself YET AGAIN.

 

 

 

shanti if you think thats me cracking under pressure your heads gonna explode when someone REALLY annoys me in game lol

 

Also ure carrying on about how much i defended nyn   how many times did i have toi repeat myself cause people kept harping on it? I also note that u conveniently forget that I said i couldn't read her when she was in troll mode. 

 

 

 

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 4:20 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/10/2017 at 8:56 AM, dicetosser1 said:

red  im sick and tired of pushing town to lynch people i  think are scum and being ignored. Doesnt seem like enuff people think ure scum to do it so im just not gonna bother, They wake up i will happily lynch you. If i turn out to be right I will also happily tell them i told you so. If im wrong you get something else to use against me in future games.

 

blue  intro has been enuff for me to make calls on people in LOTS of games. I yelled and screamed about Tom one game but people didnt listen til late game   and i think he got peeked  ive called people town off one post.  Its got only a very little to do with logic.  the logic is anyone who does that should be auto lynched. You are tricky and ballsy enuff to do it and assume you will get away with it. The rest is my gut and my gut doesnt have logic. It jumped so ure scum. simple

ok so let's experiment here

 

ignore the wolf face and mtg card posts and drop a read on me based on my other like 300+ posts in the game

 

then go back to wtl me anyway

 

deal?

 

 

 

only deal i will make is that if you fess up I will lynch you.

[Shad_]

  On 6/12/2017 at 7:05 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/11/2017 at 3:23 PM, Cass said:

My head hurts so much already with this but I think I need to understand it properly rather than just skim past.

 

Someone/multiple someones break down the math for me pls? Options for balance with 13plaers are ???? 9v3v1 or 9v4 +??extra strength in Town PRs??? (right? )

 

Is this 'vig is possible' discussion generator a possible scum move to out PRs, like whatever happened to cause no deaths n1/any others that exist?

 

TLDR opinions /info on whether 4 scum (without a 3p) can be a thing here, please?

I've never seen 4 scum in a 13p with a mod who has a clue what she's doing. Doesn't mean it can't happen but there would be a lot of care given to appropriately balance that imo.  I would wager that the fact that the claimed cop died last night is reason enough to rule it extremely unlikely.

 

3 + survivor is less crazy than half of the C9++ builds.  Obviously 10v3 is the most normal.

 

 

This reminds me of something I think I didn't comment on

[Shad_]

This:
 

  On 6/11/2017 at 3:16 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

On the outside, we have a 8T-4M setup with a Mafia handicap of no NK on N1 to balance things out.

is really really weak reasoning from anyone who has a clue about game set-ups, and DPR has modded a game or 50.

[Shad_]

actually yeah I'm just going to [v]DPR[/v] for now and see how my sober brain processes it tomorrow

[Eldrick4221]

  On 6/12/2017 at 7:12 AM, Shad_ said:

This:

 

  On 6/11/2017 at 3:16 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

On the outside, we have a 8T-4M setup with a Mafia handicap of no NK on N1 to balance things out.

is really really weak reasoning from anyone who has a clue about game set-ups, and DPR has modded a game or 50.

That reminds me.

 

When there was no nk n1, my thought was maybe Sooh did it because of the Darthe mk.

[Shad_]

It's after 3am somehow and I'm going to pay for staying up this late (and other things maybe? ) tomorrow, didn't come anywhere near catching up but that's probably for the best lol

[Shad_]

  On 6/12/2017 at 7:13 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 7:12 AM, Shad_ said:

This:

  On 6/11/2017 at 3:16 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

On the outside, we have a 8T-4M setup with a Mafia handicap of no NK on N1 to balance things out.

is really really weak reasoning from anyone who has a clue about game set-ups, and DPR has modded a game or 50.

That reminds me.

 

When there was no nk n1, my thought was maybe Sooh did it because of the Darthe mk.

 

 

Nope.

 

Would be F grade modding, Sooh wouldn't go there.  If Darthe is relevant to the lack of kill it would be because scum shot him.

[dicetosser1]

  On 6/12/2017 at 6:50 AM, Cass said:

Dice?

 

Where are you?/Got reads?

 

What do you think about:

 

1. DPR

2. Adella

3. Killanos

4. Shanti

 

?

 

I completely see where DPR is coming from on BFG. He hasnt done anything this game to make me think hes scum or that he is pulling strings so im thinking town

 

Adella seems to be the only one who even kinda understood the back and forth i had with alfred. I also didnt mind the way she treated shanti   i think it was shanti  may be mixing her up with killa tho   when they were going back and forth.

 

kronos bugged me with his stuff on me   all he did was post my posts and make a couple of descriptive words really. id have to reread killa  the fact that i think im mixing her and shanti up isnt good tho

 

No choice on Shanti   shes either Town or Zander and cuth/nyn was lenlo.

 

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 7:07 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

Ok.

 

First of all, dice. I'm not going to look for examples in past games. They are irrelevant. You have a known history of going after people that jokingly claim wolf. I know this about you. You even mentioned in this game that you habitually do this.

 

You went after shad for it. You didn't go after nyn for it. Nyn flipped scum. Facts add up to you distancing by trying to brush away the point that she did it.

 

 

Given some more thought about BFG's claim. I math'd wrong. If we mislynch twice, we will be at F5. Which is the point that I suggested we let her live til. F6 would be an acceptable point to do that. F5 isn't. It's exactly then that she could play kingmaker. Add in the point that she apparently gets removed after she wins, 2 mislynches = scum win if she's telling the truth.

 

If we mislynch today, she has to go tomorrow.

 

 

You DO realise Shad and Nyn are totally different players right? Does it occur to you that I actually take the PLAYER into account before jumping? It would seem not.

[Eldrick4221]

I glazed over a lot of the Kronos wots. They were just requoting a bunch of posts with one-liner anecdotes.

 

If there was meaning behind them besides just mentioning them again, please say so

[Shad_]

  On 6/12/2017 at 7:07 AM, dicetosser1 said:

only deal i will make is that if you fess up I will lynch you.

That's cute but if you are a villager give a > 5 seconds of thought read on my slot.

[Shad_]

alright sleeeeeeeeep

[Eldrick4221]

  On 6/12/2017 at 7:16 AM, dicetosser1 said:

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 6:50 AM, Cass said:

Dice?

 

Where are you?/Got reads?

 

What do you think about:

 

1. DPR

2. Adella

3. Killanos

4. Shanti

 

?

I completely see where DPR is coming from on BFG. He hasnt done anything this game to make me think hes scum or that he is pulling strings so im thinking town

 

Adella seems to be the only one who even kinda understood the back and forth i had with alfred. I also didnt mind the way she treated shanti i think it was shanti may be mixing her up with killa tho when they were going back and forth.

 

kronos bugged me with his stuff on me all he did was post my posts and make a couple of descriptive words really. id have to reread killa the fact that i think im mixing her and shanti up isnt good tho

 

No choice on Shanti shes either Town or Zander and cuth/nyn was lenlo.

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 7:07 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

Ok.

 

First of all, dice. I'm not going to look for examples in past games. They are irrelevant. You have a known history of going after people that jokingly claim wolf. I know this about you. You even mentioned in this game that you habitually do this.

 

You went after shad for it. You didn't go after nyn for it. Nyn flipped scum. Facts add up to you distancing by trying to brush away the point that she did it.

 

 

Given some more thought about BFG's claim. I math'd wrong. If we mislynch twice, we will be at F5. Which is the point that I suggested we let her live til. F6 would be an acceptable point to do that. F5 isn't. It's exactly then that she could play kingmaker. Add in the point that she apparently gets removed after she wins, 2 mislynches = scum win if she's telling the truth.

 

If we mislynch today, she has to go tomorrow.

 

You DO realise Shad and Nyn are totally different players right? Does it occur to you that I actually take the PLAYER into account before jumping? It would seem not.

What's your read on shad now?

[Eldrick4221]

You say how you didn't push him at eod1 because you had him as null. But it feels like you've had him as scum all game.

[Eldrick4221]

  On 6/12/2017 at 4:35 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/11/2017 at 1:10 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

 

  On 6/11/2017 at 1:00 PM, BFG said:

Eldrick, what's your read on Shad?

Shad is a hard read for me.

I'm not a fan of his "Alf is scum because he's not here when he was excited". That's null to me and feels like attacking an inactive.

I don't like his vote switch at EoD1, but know that all the trains were town so the move itself is null. Could be town going with his gut or scum changing for #reasons. Leaning town on that because I know all the trains.

I don't remember anything else from him.

Red, literally have caught scum for the same reason before

 

It's different from generic disappearance. It's sudden unexplained demotivation, which could be RL factor but bailing because you randed scum and no one knows who you are to shame you for it is a thing that happens.

I know it's a thing that happens. I guess I'm just biased because I know the alignment of the slot, that it was likely RL getting in the way.