[Basic] Peg + Cat Mafia -- TOWN WIN

Eldrick4221 · May 21, 2017

Well then. So I set everyone that's dead on ignore. Pg24 is completely hidden.

Why would you do that? Ya can't even see their interactions then? Weird

I've already looked at how Alex and Darthe interacted with people. More interested in how the living people interacted.

Eldrick4221 · May 21, 2017

It helps. It really does.

Eldrick4221 · May 21, 2017

Ok. Apparently the underline didn't work.

Obviously it was a claim on a N0 peek on me (which is accurate) to help protect the Cop/Seer.

Eldrick4221 · May 21, 2017

Aaand that's it for me today. Time for bed.

Tigraine · May 21, 2017

Multiquote makes me feel like a failure at life :cries:

So we will take the scenic route...

Dang. Thought we had it there.

Well LZM and Spades are definitely confirmed town now.

digging through the thread for interactions the rest of you had with or about each other or Alex and Darthe.

Up to page 10:

Ahhh, this is much better on a computer. Mobile for this place is difficult. >.<

This is my first day on DM. My sister got me here (she even signed me up because I was too drunk yesterday)

for the purpose of joining this specific game. I am quite the newbie but not to be mistaken with a n00b.

I catch on quick, but hopefully quickly enough for this.

[v]Alexander7[/v] for being wayyyyyy too defensive way too early. Just as you are voting to get reactions,

people will ask you why you vote for who you vote for to get reactions. So far, your reactions are very defensive.

Can someone please pass the popcorn?

Wow, 5 pages before lunch. I'm gonna have fun just keeping up with all of this during the day.

[V]Shanti[/v]

Hey Shanti, welcome to DM! I'm in that other game with you too.

-VC snipped-

So unless people are busing ( I think I'm using this correctly!) Dice/Cass and Eldritck are not a wolf team and Alexander and Shanti aren't either. Or early busing while they can get away with it to throw off later cases against them. Anyone else have thoughts on this?

I would love to hear why people are voting for who they are. I know day 1 a lot of votes just get tossed around to get reaction reads, but I would like to hear some real cases.

Going to go back and see if anyone hasn't checked in yet. I don't think we're all here or an impression hasn't been made. Still too early to find an inactive wolf, but worth a look.

Confused. Isn't Alexander's vote on me at the moment?

Are you just voting Alex because he voted you, or is there more there?

I gave my reasoning in my vote comment. He was entirely too defensive when asked why he voted how he voted.

It didn't sit right with me and his defensiveness seemed scummy.

why not?

earlier i voted you. why didnt you ask me about it then, but now you are asking me about my new vote?

there is no motive. it's a random vote. for the purpose of getting people to react to it and push the game forward

but saying this outloud kind of defeats the purpose. i feel a bit rustled for answering this

These came off as defensive to me, and are hence part of the reasons I voted for Alex.

I like the work Shanti is putting in here. *thumbs up*

there cant be both aggresive and defensive vibe in the same thing

And actually, defensive aggression is a thing.

why not?

earlier i voted you. why didnt you ask me about it then, but now you are asking me about my new vote?

there is no motive. it's a random vote. for the purpose of getting people to react to it and push the game forward

but saying this outloud kind of defeats the purpose. i feel a bit rustled for answering this

These came off as defensive to me, and are hence part of the reasons I voted for Alex.
She has seriously only played one day phase! She's good at this....I think I've brought her over to the dark side of my mafia addiction

no. you are talking like that not only to haleesi

i was about to go look up your iso and quote everything but then i remembered

there is no iso

Dice answered that for you.

@(Not) _Eb_"Are there many differences in setup/game start etc between the games you've played RL and ones you've read online? Would you say you tend to be more of a gut feel or direct logic kind of player?"

definitely different, but i read a decent amount of games online. i read mostly based on tone and gut rather than direct logic

spades is being really scummy atm

You and dice will have a brilliant time deciphering tones :)

there cant be both aggresive and defensive vibe in the same thing

Yes there can

Spades and Alexander sre wolves together. Neither care about the questions theure asking each other

I could buy this theory.

there cant be both aggresive and defensive vibe in the same thing

And actually, defensive aggression is a thing.

What she said :)

@alex, if you are mobile you have to go to the full version to get it properly and before you click on the magnifying glass make aure it says "this topic" beside of it.

I am always on mobile guys so it's going to be highly difficult to do all of this multiquoting stuff. You will have to deal with a quote by quote from me....sorry.

tigraine you seem to agree with shanti alot. then why arent you voting me? would i not be your biggest wolfread atm?
I agree with her a lot? Just because I know there is such a thing as defensive aggression doesnt mean I am agree with her.
I'm proud of her because she hasn't played but one day phase in another game and she seems to be picking up on stuff, like your defensive aggression.

However, that is the the personality and play style of certain players and as I have never played against you before, I'd like to take a little time to see your TONE for myself.

Shanti going after Alex already is good. And she explains her reasoning when asked.

Tress saying Shanti is looking good is null.

Adella welcome voting Shanti is null.

Tigs discussing the validity of both aggressive and defensive tone and ISO with Alex is null. it comes off as weird, though, that she is talking Shanti up. Why not let her prove herself?

I quoted Spades' mention of early bussing only to refresh the discussion. I don't think Shanti and Alex are bussing each other.

Okay, he WAS being defensive AND aggressive. She is my little sister, my entire life I have taken offense to someone that attempts to discredit her intelligence or someone that is outright rude. Alex saying it is not possible to be aggressive and defensive was absurd, like he was totally unaware of their definitions. Yes, she would've had it well in hand and did explain that it was indeed possible but still old habits die hard. If you will notice, I even made a snarky comment to Redd becauae he said something about not speaking calligraphy and told her to change it didn't say thank you, kiss my butt or anything when she did. I thought that was rude. As far as bragging on her, again old habits. This is just her second game and her first was only on N1 when she started this one. I though she was doing pretty good. In my first game, I sat like a knot on a log, hiding, hoping no one addressed me.

Shad_ · May 21, 2017

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

Not Voting: Songstress, Spadeszee, LedZepMan, Tigraine, Adella, Shanti, Eldrick

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Tigraine · May 21, 2017

tigraine you seem to agree with shanti alot. then why arent you voting me? would i not be your biggest wolfread atm?
I agree with her a lot? Just because I know there is such a thing as defensive aggression doesnt mean I am agree with her.
I'm proud of her because she hasn't played but one day phase in another game and she seems to be picking up on stuff, like your defensive aggression.

However, that is the the personality and play style of certain players and as I have never played against you before, I'd like to take a little time to see your TONE for myself.

tigraine you seem to agree with shanti alot. then why arent you voting me? would i not be your biggest wolfread atm?

I agree with her a lot? Just because I know there is such a thing as defensive aggression doesnt mean I am agree with her.
I'm proud of her because she hasn't played but one day phase in another game and she seems to be picking up on stuff, like your defensive aggression.

However, that is the the personality and play style of certain players and as I have never played against you before, I'd like to take a little time to see your TONE for myself.

you didnt answer my question friendo

why arent you voting me? would i not be your biggest wolfread atm?

oh i just reread tigraine's post. she says she is not voting me because she doesnt agree with shanti

not sure i buy that

@alex- I agree with her that you were being defensively aggressive.

Don't twist my words.

@Redd- I can see that you and I have very different play styles. I like to quote people I find scummy so others can see what I'm referring to. I think that's a big part of being a team player so that fellow townies don't have to spend their time searching my reasoning. It gives them time to give their own reads on people

Things that make you go hmmm.

First post you're clearly saying you acknowledge that what she says in possible, but not that you agree with it. Alex challenges that, and you retort with that you DID say you agree.

Counting me saying that aggressively defensive is a thing can hardly be counted as agreeing with her. It's like saying I was agreeing with her because we both said the sun came up. Does anyone see what I'm saying? Otherwise, I did agree with her that he was BEING aggressively defensive however, where I had never played with ( :laugh: ) him before, I didn't know it that was something he done as town or as scum and wasn't willing to vote him for it until I seen more of his play style.

Tigraine · May 21, 2017

Guys listen, I know there are new people here and I feel it always needs to be mentioned to new people but this is JUST A GAME!

Never get personal in your attacks on each other and then in return don't get emotional when someone is going after you.

The point of this game is to win, no matter your alliance....family, friends, or enemys DO NOT MATTER!

In this game I am not Ashley. I am not even Tigs....I am a character in Shad's game and that's all I am.

Please keep it civil so we can keep it fun.

Why did you mention this caveat? I'm really starting to get the vibe that you are overly conscious to your personal connection with Shanti. Explanation of that could be because you're scum.

You're really fishing here aren't ya? In this game, as well as the one I was playing simultaneously on fb, people were getting their panties in a bunch or their feelings hurt. In every game I've been in since my return, this has been said to some degree. I was also putting it out there because when it comes to my sister and I, we take what each other says to heart. I am her biggest fan but also her biggest critic, I wanted to reiterate to her that anything coming from me, in regards to her or anyone else, was purely game related. If I have even a slight inkling that she is scum then I will go after her as hard as anyone else.

I actually find it silly that I have to explain what I meant here. It's pretty obvious and if you think that this was me trying to blanket the blow of me being scum then you are reading wayyy to much into something that I was only trying to use to calm all the emo going on.

Tigraine · May 21, 2017

Guys listen, I know there are new people here and I feel it always needs to be mentioned to new people but this is JUST A GAME!

Never get personal in your attacks on each other and then in return don't get emotional when someone is going after you. The point of this game is to win, no matter your alliance....family, friends, or enemys DO NOT MATTER!

In this game I am not Ashley. I am not even Tigs....I am a character in Shad's game and that's all I am.

Please keep it civil so we can keep it fun.

Why did you mention this caveat? I'm really starting to get the vibe that you are overly conscious to your personal connection with Shanti. Explanation of that could be because you're scum.
She mentioned that in response to someone stating them personally knowing someone was affecting their reads if I'm not mistaken, not to mention at the time Alex was causing quite a ruckus and tempers were flaring.
I noticed the ruckus. I didn't see why personal affiliation had to be addressed. As far as I'm aware, nobody here knows alex.

To my knowledge nobody knew him. But there was even something early on when he was calling Hallia haleesi or something like where spades says basically that Hallia is hers....you didn't feel the need to point that out so I'm kinda oblivious as to why you felt this needed to be addressed.

Tigraine · May 21, 2017

As my last comment for the night, and it's a general comment, Ed seriously always comes off scummy, even when he is town. It's hard to dig through his crap to get a true read on him. Gnight and I shall return.

This is very true. I always see Ed as scummy. ALWAYS. Last game, I took that into consideration and it cost town the game, I wasn't going to let that color my view again...he wasn't contributing, I'm not sure I saw him call anyone scum, and he was laying low. I didn't like it, but I was wrong about him being scum.

Songstress · May 21, 2017

Darthe claimed first. I clearly remember tress agreeing that Adella was town

It was actually Ed, not Darthe who had a N0 on Adella. Darthe's was on Tigs.

I decided to random.org my N0 fake peek so it would look more likely to be real instead of a guess based on thread play. It's risky if that happens to land on a member of the scum team, but if not it's more likely to look to scum like it's a real cop peek without basis and draw the kill.

It occurred to me by the end of D1 that if I wasn't trying to maintain seer cover, I would have had Adella in my POE, for what that's worth. Probably not my plan for the next seer game I play, if I ever play one again after this embarassment.

Eldrick4221 · May 21, 2017

I'm trying to see what I'm missing, tigs. I'm going over the little things that wouldn't normally mean much.

So yes, you could call it fishing. Pretty sure everyone is at that point right now.

Eldrick4221 · May 21, 2017

Darthe claimed first. I clearly remember tress agreeing that Adella was town
It was actually Ed, not Darthe who had a N0 on Adella. Darthe's was on Tigs.

I decided to random.org my N0 fake peek so it would look more likely to be real instead of a guess based on thread play. It's risky if that happens to land on a member of the scum team, but if not it's more likely to look to scum like it's a real cop peek without basis and draw the kill.

It occurred to me by the end of D1 that if I wasn't trying to maintain seer cover, I would have had Adella in my POE, for what that's worth. Probably not my plan for the next seer game I play, if I ever play one again after this embarassment.

I had the same problem with Darthe. By mid day 2 I realized I had to stop pretending I had peeked him.

I don't like seer cover for that reason. Don't intend to play a seer game again.

Eldrick4221 · May 21, 2017

I didn't say anything about it because by the time had gotten back, it wasn't a thing any more.

But since tigs brought it up, thank you Shanti for stopping the calligraphy. I would have asked to to as well lol

Tigraine · May 21, 2017

Guys I'll be back in a bit, got a sick baby on my hands but I promise I'll be back shortly to help figure this out. Sorry

Eldrick4221 · May 21, 2017

:(

Feel better baby.

Eldrick4221 · May 21, 2017

I really need to try to sleep.

#addicted

Bye again

Songstress · May 21, 2017

Here's where I'm at, as useful as this probably isn't...

4. LedZepMan - Hallia's n0 town peek

3. Spadeszee - Hallia's n1 town peek

12. Shanti - play has been very town, also possible SHC for n1 Redd kill

5. Tigraine - deciding vote between Darthe and Eldrick D2 - if Eldrick is town, seems more likely she is town as she had given a good setup to vote Eldrick and wouldn't have looked overly suspicious for it.

13. Eldrick - countertrain to mafia lynches 2 days in a row, led the lynch on Darthe D2.

9. Adella

Tigraine · May 21, 2017

Shanti- you haven't posted a whole lot so it makes the ISO easier. First I think I should tell you, you may be an alcoholic....just saying. But anyway, your reads list was different from others I've seen ever I believe. While usually people want to lean town or don't want to commit, I'm not sure I've seen someone call that many people scum at one time you've been holding your own pretty good though, I've seen people question you about your posts and you don't get defensive, I've seen you step out from the crowd and stand up for Spades when someone called her out on something, and you even read my wall of text despite me being on quite a few scum lists including your own. I'm got a strong town read on you.

Adella- early on the whole back and forth with Spades still stands out to me. She asked you to explain your vote (although it was clearly a joke vote) you seemed to get a little defensive yourself while calling her out for being defensive. Your vote stayed on her until close to deadline with the excuse that you just didn't know who to move your vote to. Why not just unvote? Then you slip into the debate on why Redd was killed and mention that it's suspicious that Tress left an option out then when she responds as to what option, your reply is what caught my attention

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100718-basic-peg-cat-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3794752

Basically saying it's a waste of time to speculate and that you believe its a misdirection to even speculate. So I have some questions for you 1) why did you even put a dog in the fight if it's useless? 2) why was it tress you confronted when others were speculating as well?

Slight scum read.

Hallia- early banter calls Alex out on vote hopping while defending Redd's style of the same way. Her context posts were not really conclusive.."this one seems towny "not bad for that one" "your posts are looking good". Then finally vote Alex because you don't like the other trains. A lot of posts directed to the "itt" comment but then you give a 'town to scum' list. I noticed that Cass/dice are in the middle then your read on them says they looked good early on then they slipped into question/answer mode which isn't alignment indicative....makes your vote on them seem curious. Are you kinda OMGUS'ing dice here? He says your tone is off then you vote them....not liking this. I think your answer to this question will tell me which way to lean with you. Iirc there seems to be 1 post in your ISO that has any game solving.

Dice- I'm liking early posting from Dice, I can see he's trying to give Cass the chance to play their role and only coming in as needed. Hes went after a few people and hasn't gotten aggressive to the point of a scum pushing a needless point. Hes also helped out with a few questions the newbies have but bit obtrusively so. I like this look on you Dice (p.s. sorry for lynching you last game :( ). I'll give a read on Cass but my view on Dice I'm definitely leaning town.

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/index.php?app=core&module=search&section=search&do=search&fromsearch=1

Decided to start with Adella and found my read on her from a day or two ago. That's the first quote and the link is to her ISO page....all one of them. Luckily since my last read she hasn't posted much.

@adella if you answered the questions I directed at you then I missed them, would you mind either showing me where you did or answer them now? Also, like Shanti I would like to know why you never acknowledged her post saying spades had asked about her vote when it was the reason you were questioning spades.

I've got the sick baby sleeping so I'm going to attempt to read up on the remaining players. Except our to confirmed townies.

LedZepMan · May 21, 2017

Alright. So after further deliberation with myself, I have come to my conclusion.

I will [v]Adella[/v] for today. If she flips town, I have a good idea as to who the last scum is.

Shad_ · May 21, 2017

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

Adella (1) - LZM

Not Voting: Songstress, Spadeszee, Tigraine, Adella, Shanti, Eldrick

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Tigraine · May 21, 2017

I'd like to hear from Adella, something other than just a passing post. But before I vote anyone I'd like to finish reading back through.

Songstress · May 21, 2017

I'd like to hear from Adella, something other than just a passing post. But before I vote anyone I'd like to finish reading back through.

That's what I'm waiting for as well, although I don't know whether there's anything she can say to take her off the bottom of my list.

Tigraine · May 21, 2017

So after ISO'ING Shanti, I've got next to nothing. Her play seems genuine town. She's stepped in to defend people, she gave some good reads and as opposed to being afraid to call anyone scum she called a lot of people scum. The only reason I can see to think it's a possibility she could be scum is the NK's. Alex went day 1, darthe went day 2 and wasn't around much so I could see the order of NK's coming from someone that either isn't paying attention or that is new. I find it hard to understand why the claimed seer was left alive the day after claiming with no doc in the game. But I still think that she would've had enough sense to take out Hallia if she were the last remaining scum. Other than our two confirmed townies, she seems the most townie person out of who's left.

Spadeszee · May 22, 2017

Also waiting on Adella to give us her scum list and why.

[Basic] Peg + Cat Mafia -- TOWN WIN

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