[Basic] Peg + Cat Mafia -- TOWN WIN

[Tigraine]

LZM is town. I'm not happy with the lack of activity. But there it is. I wrote my reasoning last night on cass/dice - and Tress as well, but atm her recent post made me feel a little better. I also wrote my reasoning why I don't think everyone else is town, or lower on the totem pole. I could also vote darthe

I must have missed those posts on Dice/Cass. The reads I read had them pretty null...mind showing me where you explained this?

[Shad_]

Hi Shad.

Oh hi.

 

I was busy bumpin', yo.

[Tigraine]

 

 

I'm trying really hard to piece wolf groups together right now and it's hard to find logic in anything. I would probably feel most comfortable with a Tig vote right now because she did fail to provide more after promising reads. I get being busy, but I don't really like the constant excuses and her reaction to being questioned about her focus on Eldrick is just really fishy to me. That being said, I'm still so suspicious of Eldrick because of how little he seemingly cares about playing this game and his "villagers gives answers" mindset. A villager flip gets us nowhere and I'm just not buying his thread presence as being genuine.

Ed is really growing on my list right now because of his rudeness to me when I ask him for reads, then calmly saying he's going to give them to someone else, then not providing us with anything. He has done absolutely nothing to help us solve this game so far.

 

I do really like Tress' logic about LZM and him splitting up the votes between three, if both Alex and Eldrick were w/w. Another thought is that would also probably throw him under suspicion at the same time, so him not doing that would be a smart tactic to not get all three EZPZ lynched. I'm also concerned that Hallia has him cleared.

 

With that, Hallia hasn't done anything either, I was hoping that her vote on Alex would get the ball rolling in the right direction, but it seems like she is just mindlessly voting right now.

 

This is really tough because I know only two more wolfs exist and I'm just trying to figure out who the best pairing would be.

Storms caused power outages in my area all through the night then life happened this morning, I apologize if my "constant excuses" bother you but I have put in more content than some players so I'm curious as to why you find it so scummy in me???

 

Also what is fishy about my response to my post on eldrick? Could you be more specific?

You're just extremely touchy and defensive about it. Again, you could have let it go, but even me bringing it up has made you flare up. It seems like a serious overreaction to something that could have been calmly explained. I get there is a lot of pressure on you right now since you are getting wolf read by quite a few people, I just don't know if your responses are coming from a villager place or a panicking wolf one.

I'm not overreacting or getting defensive, but yeah I'm going to call someone out that says something about me not being here when I'm not the only one that hasn't. Please read my post again and answer my questions.

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

I'm not proving or disproving anything. I am pointing things out that I find interesting or suspicious.

I figured it was implied, but in my opinion it doesn't count because people generally feel the need to respond when you call them out specifically. Quoting the vote count leaves everyone in a vague group, while you get to say "yuh huh, I did call everyone out HERE!!" and that just doesn't fly with me.

 

Well, the people who were actively voting and speaking I did ask directly.  I mentioned that they were early votes and that they usually don't hold much to them, but wanted to hear cases if they had them. *shrug* I don't think I really need to be more specific than that.

Also doesn't feel right, I had hardly posted and you asked about my vote. Not lining up. You're also feeling a little too defensive with all of this.

 

[v]Spadeszee[/v]

 

 

I still don't like how she dealt with Spades asking everyone for their reasons for votes. I don't see how she thought that was scummy.

 

 

Darthe - Very passive, thus a null read. He points some things out, but doesn't elaborate. Could be a town thing, keeping info close until it's obvious enough to make a case, but could be scum trying to just lay low. 

 

Tress - I'm still waiting on that posting more she said she would do when she gets home from work... My gut is telling me null read until I get more, but I don't like how she pointed out that she will be posting, and then hasn't.

 

Spades - This is your second game, and I am seeing the newbie attitude of being excited and active, and that is generally a pretty townie thing. You're not afraid to get into it with another player, so not easily inimidated by a vote, which is also a good sign. After going back and ISO, you kept it cool through your exchange with Alex, as well as the pressure I put on you. I'm good with a town read on you so far, but still hesitant about your inconsistencies as far as who you said you had questioned.

 

LZM - Came in late, not enough info at this time. He has about 2 posts with any real meat on them, I need something more to chew on.

 

Tigs - Pretty consistent with her recent other townie playstyle. For now I say town.

 

Ed - Ed is playing a little differently than the 2 games I have seen him play, which is good cause he was scum in both. But, it doesn't make him town, so null atm.

 

Dice/Cass - Cass looks just like she did in the last game I played with her. Prodding, asking questions, keeping people talking. I say town atm.

 

Hallia - I am unable to get a read on you. You've posted a couple dozen times, but it has almost all been fluff. I don't know if that is normal for you or not, so I am holding judgement. Null.

 

Adella - Clearly town.

 

Redd - Ok, maybe it's your playstyle, but you post a lot without actually saying anything... Lots of "this is wolf" but nothing else until you are pressed. I don't like it, it doesn't sit well with me, but I come from the time where it was all walls of text from everyone. Slight scum read, but unsure because it may just be the playstyle issue.

 

Alex - Pretty defensive. As someone who says you read lots of games online (weird hobby btw) I feel like you should know how defensive will come across. At least you admitted when you were "rustled". Then you go into a relaxed tone, and then back into defensive/aggressive (yep, I said it). You're poking at a lot of people, specifically Hallia (who you later declared seems town), Spades, and Tigs (although you did go back on that later, and then decided she was scummy again) but you're not just poking, you're jabbing them with a stick. It reads more aggressive and that makes it feel less town as we go along. Scummy.

 

Shanti - This girl has good instincts, she is brand new but makes good points with her posts, doesn't get overly defensive, and asks questions. Not a lot of activity, and I withhold judgement just because I don't know if you're just a natural at covering up scum, or a naturally good townie, it could be either.

 

Eldrick - I am confused about your confusion with Ed. Obviously it was a claim on a N0 peek on me (which is accurate) to help protect the Cop/Seer. I've literally never been in a game where people have done that, and even I figured it out after a couple of people started announcing people as town. Other than that confusion, I'm getting a decidedly town read on you. Your posts have been prodding, you ask good questions, and point out good thoughts on people so far. For D1 it feels like good town work.

 

Then she left her vote on Spades, even though she was feeling better. Curious why she didn't move her vote then, but her reason is......acceptable

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not proving or disproving anything. I am pointing things out that I find interesting or suspicious.

I figured it was implied, but in my opinion it doesn't count because people generally feel the need to respond when you call them out specifically. Quoting the vote count leaves everyone in a vague group, while you get to say "yuh huh, I did call everyone out HERE!!" and that just doesn't fly with me.

Well, the people who were actively voting and speaking I did ask directly. I mentioned that they were early votes and that they usually don't hold much to them, but wanted to hear cases if they had them. *shrug* I don't think I really need to be more specific than that.

Also doesn't feel right, I had hardly posted and you asked about my vote. Not lining up. You're also feeling a little too defensive with all of this.

[v]Spadeszee[/v]

 

I don't see why this is so much of an issue. Adella, what's the problem here? I thought her asking people for their reasons was a good idea.

I didn't have a problem with her questions, I had a problem with the fact that she claimed to have asked everyone about every vote, which was untrue.

She didn't ask each person specifically, but she did ask broad spectrum.

I also don't see why that would be an issue to begin with.

Lol, I thought you were going to sleep.

I saw an inconsistency and I poked it. She reacted well, I just haven't decided who to move my vote to yet.

  

 

 

 

 

I don't see an issue with how she dealt with Tress. She consistently has an issue with Tress not mentioning a scenario. While I don't agree with her assessment, it makes sense.

 

 

 

That was my view as well. No way for us to know why he was killed.

What do you think about hally's response, though?

I honestly need to be on a computer to do much more replying to people. I am at work for another 2 hours and then dinner and family time until the baby goes to bed. I'll be back later this evening.

Still waiting for her to respond to this.

 

All in all, not getting a a dummy vibe from her. Just some weirdness.

[Eldrick4221]

A scummy vibe*

[Eldrick4221]

Also like the points she made about Alex. Need to look at his interactions with those people.

[Tigraine]

So I looked back through and still can't find where Hallia thinks Hydra is scum. What am I missing?

[Eldrick4221]

Ok. I'm not making it to dl. Going back to sleep.

[Shad_]

Vote count has been corrected:

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

Eldrick (1) - Adella

LZM (2) - Eldrick, Shanti

Dice/Cass (1) - Hallia

Ed (2) - Tigraine, Spades

Hallia (1) - Dice/Cass

Not Voting: Darthe, Songstress, LedZepMan, ed2funy


With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

[Hallia]

*sigh* do I really have to say it? DON'T VOTE LZM

[Tigraine]

Hallia has left and with 0 explanation. I've looked, she doesn't go after the Hydra until Dice goes after her.

 

[V] unvote [/v]

[V] Hallia [/v]

 

 

She was here and had the chance to defend her vote. I think it's too far in and too much info for an OMGUS vote.

[Shad_]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

Eldrick (1) - Adella

 

LZM (2) - Eldrick, Shanti

 

Dice/Cass (1) - Hallia

 

Ed (1) - Spades

 

Hallia (2) - Dice/Cass, Tigraine

 

Not Voting: Darthe, Songstress, LedZepMan, ed2funy

 

 

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

 

[Shanti]

*sigh* do I really have to say it? DON'T VOTE LZM

When you're giving off scummy vibes, why would I listen to You? Sounds like a naive move on my part if I just take the word of anyone that says "Don't vote this person."

[Tigraine]

*sigh* do I really have to say it? DON'T VOTE LZM

Really?

[Spadeszee]

 

 

 

I'm trying really hard to piece wolf groups together right now and it's hard to find logic in anything. I would probably feel most comfortable with a Tig vote right now because she did fail to provide more after promising reads. I get being busy, but I don't really like the constant excuses and her reaction to being questioned about her focus on Eldrick is just really fishy to me. That being said, I'm still so suspicious of Eldrick because of how little he seemingly cares about playing this game and his "villagers gives answers" mindset. A villager flip gets us nowhere and I'm just not buying his thread presence as being genuine.

Ed is really growing on my list right now because of his rudeness to me when I ask him for reads, then calmly saying he's going to give them to someone else, then not providing us with anything. He has done absolutely nothing to help us solve this game so far.

 

I do really like Tress' logic about LZM and him splitting up the votes between three, if both Alex and Eldrick were w/w. Another thought is that would also probably throw him under suspicion at the same time, so him not doing that would be a smart tactic to not get all three EZPZ lynched. I'm also concerned that Hallia has him cleared.

 

With that, Hallia hasn't done anything either, I was hoping that her vote on Alex would get the ball rolling in the right direction, but it seems like she is just mindlessly voting right now.

 

This is really tough because I know only two more wolfs exist and I'm just trying to figure out who the best pairing would be.

Storms caused power outages in my area all through the night then life happened this morning, I apologize if my "constant excuses" bother you but I have put in more content than some players so I'm curious as to why you find it so scummy in me???

 

Also what is fishy about my response to my post on eldrick? Could you be more specific?

You're just extremely touchy and defensive about it. Again, you could have let it go, but even me bringing it up has made you flare up. It seems like a serious overreaction to something that could have been calmly explained. I get there is a lot of pressure on you right now since you are getting wolf read by quite a few people, I just don't know if your responses are coming from a villager place or a panicking wolf one.

I'm not overreacting or getting defensive, but yeah I'm going to call someone out that says something about me not being here when I'm not the only one that hasn't. Please read my post again and answer my questions.

 

The way you explained your situation didn't feel relaxed which just seems strange to me. I can't tell if that's just your personality and perhaps I'm reading your voice incorrectly, but you seem very high defense and very touchy about the Eldrick vs. You situation that sort of happened. I said that you put a lot of focus onto Eldrick who was being scum read next to you at that time and it seemed like you were trying to divert to only him. You did change this behavior and gave thoughtful reads on everyone, but you're still so hung up on this specific case. I am still reading your tone as defensive right now.

Also, this post was before you made your updated reads list. Basically you finished you case on Eldrick and seemingly left. If your focus was only on proving him scummier over yourself, it would seem like you were trying to take the heat off of yourself. Of course real life is going to get in the way, that is fine, it just seemed like you made it a big deal and spent more time explaining your situation than just jumping in and trying to solve this.

 

[Hallia]

It's a fine line to walk

[Hallia]

Gone in a couple of minutes, probably

won't be back before deadline

[Tigraine]

@Spades- I don't like to have a** things. That's why I don't like giving day 1 reads ...I think it is absurd so when I started my reads, I decided to start at the bottom of the op list. He was the first one so I was doing a FULL reads list. There were a lot of things that stood out to ke as scummy and I haven't backed off my feeling that he is scum. But there were a lot of posts from him, more than anyone else thus far I believe so it was going to be extensive whether I found him scummy or not.

[Songstress]

[v]Dice/Cass[/v]

 

Trusting my instincts.

 

Could vote Ed if necessary.

[Shad_]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

Eldrick (1) - Adella

 

LZM (2) - Eldrick, Shanti

 

Dice/Cass (2) - Hallia, Tress

 

Ed (1) - Spades

 

Hallia (2) - Dice/Cass, Tigraine

 

Not Voting: Darthe, LedZepMan, ed2funy

 

 

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

 

[Eldrick4221]

I still want to lynch lzm because of his interactions with Alex and Ed. Really getting a connection vibe there.

 

But Hally is making me want to switch to her. Her response to tress' question and her seemingly OMGUS vote on Aussie being the biggest reasons.

[Spadeszee]

[v]Dice/Cass[/v]

 

Trusting my instincts.

 

Could vote Ed if necessary.

Please give me more insight on why Dice/Cass would be better over Ed who hasn't been present? I'm reading them very Town, but it might be my inexperience with them. I know Hallia can't comment, so I really need some help here from you.

[Tigraine]

[v]Dice/Cass[/v]

 

Trusting my instincts.

 

Could vote Ed if necessary.

 

We've got a little time...why dice/Cass? What do you think of Hallia voting them as an OMGUS vote?

Lack of content from Ed? LZM? Darthe?

[Hallia]

Tress gets it...

[Eldrick4221]

[v]Dice/Cass[/v]

 

Trusting my instincts.

 

Could vote Ed if necessary.

I really think you're wrong there. They are my strongest town read.