[Advanced] Ghost in the Shell - MAFIA WIN

Zander? · May 3, 2017

So doing my D2 reread like usual, and big question. Post 93, Sooh claims that Hackers are town aligned, even though TLM is a terrorist in the series, and is using this reasoning to make TLM out like a town slot. What is the basis for this? My character isnt a hacker. Neither were any of the ones who have died.

Seriously?!?!?!?

derpcleardenied.gif

Yeah, I found the answer for that later when someone mentioned its in the opening post as a sample PM. Not sure how good a source that is for that, but it answered the question.

Ummmmm dude Dice posted the above post after you posted this so please show me who ITT mentioned it to you BEFORE Dice did......

In my reread that im doing? Someone mentioned that Hacker sample pm was in the mod post because someone else asked Sooh the same question I did back before page 15 or so. Lemme give you a timeline.

I start reread.

I get to page 5 or so and see Soohs post about Hackers.

I post asking Sooh the question, which you then react to.

I continue my reread, and find someone reference a sample pm in the opening of the game.

Dice posts to check the sample pm.

Boom.

Quote the post please.

Morning. I'll only be able to catch up after i get off work later, so bear with me.

sadface.gif

First, on phone.

So I wanna point out for DPR, since he is conviently ignoring this fact, I never criticized the TLM spec, I criticized the Cory spec. 2 different things, so don't try to pretend voting TLM is counter to what I've said. It's not.

Second, TLM is the/a bad guy in the show Zander. Yeah, he's a less awesome V, but the good guys from this show are in the government (Sector 9 I think) so there's your perspective.

Lenlo. No one cares if you're in your phone. *looks off into distance as he debates throwing his phone* trust me, I know.

Will be looking for following up on DPR reaction on this. And later find those quotes if they haven't been posted, because there's a difference. If DPR is a wormy scum, you gotta pin him down fast and kill him. Or else he tries to lead a Lynch on you for not being as active as he'd like you to be. #rude

How did I get dragged into this?

How did you not know you were part of that interaction with Lenlo? Scummy af

I posted my reaction to Lenlo before you posted this?

Your attempt to loop me into your problems is noted. Now go ahead and post that reads list.

So then you know you were part of that interaction. And you know I was catching up as I read along. Soooooo, what's your issue with deflecting from the fact that you and Lenlo went back and forth on this?

Also, coming up. I'll show you mine and you show me yours? *waggles eyebrows*

What are you going on about? This is shite - get on with the reads or imma paint you in red.

And, I only show my tip to Adam. You got a long ways to go before you see the iceberg.

Do think because there's spoiler tags no one is going to read or click back or Lenlo's post and see where y'all interacted?

lol, just blatantly ignoring stuff again.

Who peeked DPR last night? Anyone? Hep

Someone prolly did, you agree?

Zander- first of all, you're a 49ers fan? Been a tough few years on you huh darlin?

Anyway, I see you started your very first post saying you're town and then this post http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100533-advanced-ghost-in-the-shell-night-1/?view=findpost&p=3782912 followed by requesting permission to edit the post. Reading it now, mixed with your first post out of the gate saying I am town, I guess I was just to daft to miss the claim insinuations. It's still very odd for me to have townies be so blatant.http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100533-advanced-ghost-in-the-shell-night-1/?view=findpost&p=3783192

I can't figure out how you or anyone else thinks it is such a big stretch to assume your motives are possibly recruitment. Shad's OP mentioned possibly finding yourself in a QT so that was my very first thought. As well as when you started asking people to say "I am town" pretty much from the start. Questioning you on that, especially mixed with the mysterious TLM, just seems like good sense and seems like a good thing for us townies to do. I mean, you seem like an intelligent person...except for the 49ers thing, so why is it so hard for you to conceive of such a thing?

I'm not done with Zander but thought I'd post what I have.

I understand that it's hard for people to fathom why it would take so long to make a post of that's size but i am a single mom of three. While I'm ISOing someone I am also keeping a page open to keep up with what is currently being said in the thread. mix that with track meets, inspections and sleeping...I apologize that it's not up to standards.

IRT being a 49ers fan- FML.....tho Im pretty happy with Lynch;s 1st draft as a rookie GM for my 9ers tho. Looking like if he continues to draft well and stays the course we should be ok after a 3-5 year rebuild.

As far as the editing my post part, if you read shads answer to me asking to edit right after it, it was a joke about me messing up the spoilers tag when I asked him if i could fix the tags. So I dont know wtf kinda issue you have or better wording trying to push/shade me with. You have an issue with my GOAT ability to Town tell with your blatant comment or am I missing something there???

And why did you link my olive branch comment to DPR for??!?!?!?

How in the heck to you assume me asking if people are Town is me trying to recruit them?!!?!?!? I checked the Database and youve played more games then I have and Ive played like 50 here on DM, you've never played with. read game with or even heard of a Lie Detector!?!?!?!?! I have no idea what youre even trying to say in the 2nd paragraph except for the bold which made me both lololololol and sadface.gif at the same time......

I can appreciate the single mother of 3 my dear!!!! My mom was a single mother of just me....but believe i was like having 10 adhd kids hopped up on sugar and blow.....lololololol And I dont know you wll so Im trying hard too not think of this as AtE but ok Ill give you the time thing here tho you saying you keep a tab open to respond when you totally didnt respond in real time talk when doing those just looks like youre trying to find/add reasons to it.

Giving you the time thing tho still dont change the fact of all the other issues Ive already mentioned ITT tho so....

The editing post I thought was in the same context as the LD question. I thought that was your way of trying to get whichever person it was to say they were town before you actually came out and just asked everyone to.

I have been in games with a LD but they never revealed that early. And with the "creative thinking could be beneficial" ever present in the back of my mind, plus not knowing what TLM is, the "if you find yourself in a QT" I actually thought it was pretty reasonable to assume that there could be ulterior motives. Someone thought voting TLM may trigger something and your panties didn't bunch so that just added to the persona of the "this could trigger something" mentality.

When I said I keep an open tab that I have been checking on, it started after the post with my first reads. With that post, I had just read all of their posts and formulated an opinion which I posted. Then I realized that wasn't really the best way to do it because I'm not pointing to anything specifically and by the time I got to the end, I had forgotten what I thought about the beginning. So I have been reading a few posts, going to my notepad and putting my opinion, checking the current thread then going back to the ISOing. It's a process.

I'm trying miserably to adapt to how aggressive townies are in the way the game is played now. It may not be much but it seems like a whole different game at times. Instead of just focusing on who/why spmething is scummy, it's been more of "everyone agree that a specific person is town and we will follow their lead to the end. I'm more skeptical of the person everyone is following than anybody else because I feel like I need to show their true colors to save the town.

As for the 9ers, they've seemed to have a rough 7 or 8 years. Maybe a good year or two thrown in. But it's good to see someone stick with a team when they lose. Shows loyalty. Could be worse, my dad's been a Cincinnati fan my whole life....we know how that's paid off for him

not buying what youre selling

Then no soup for you!

I dont want your poisonous Wolfy Soup tyvm!

Zander? · May 3, 2017

The first question was me asking if you want me to post my train of thought or not. lol

I disagree in the sense that I acknowledged I was being hypocritical, but that it's still a valid point. And it's slightly different because at the time, he had more posts.

No. What?

Zander. I'm agreeing with you saying that Killa's likely to be Town when DPR flips scum, but not because of the post you quoted. Because of the post I quoted.

Yeah, I have an inkling, but before I *forget* why, I gotta do some ISOing.

I disagree with the post thing but obv agree with the overall assessment!!!

Lenlo · May 3, 2017

Good morning shellmates.

DPR seems to have a focus on zander here. and its one thats wrong iirc

the cory school thing is just zander so i will discount that but NINEL is the one that raised recruiting iirc. Zander kinda lost his mind a little about it i think.

Also you DO realize that according to the sample pms hackers are town right? \

not sure dpr would be this obviously off if he was scum.

I dont see why this is necessary Zander.

Zander? · May 3, 2017

Good morning shellmates.

DPR seems to have a focus on zander here. and its one thats wrong iirc

the cory school thing is just zander so i will discount that but NINEL is the one that raised recruiting iirc. Zander kinda lost his mind a little about it i think.

Also you DO realize that according to the sample pms hackers are town right? \

not sure dpr would be this obviously off if he was scum.

I dont see why this is necessary Zander.

You should see man.

It will help me sleep better tonight!

Zander? · May 3, 2017

You may post.

Thats my character on the far right. I guess he wont be used in the little post stories until I get lynched or night killed.

Pretty cool set up. Nice Flavor.

Good job shad_

DPR I am not claiming anything ... well in my mind claiming vt is worthless. To me it seems the only claims that matter are the ones that could be figured out with out dying first. lol Which is special roles.

How many mis lynches can you make plus the night kills and still win? Like zander #themathishard

I remember you saying earlier that you don't have any knowledge of the source material - I'll have to go back and find that to confirm.

But if you did say that, how do you know who your character is?

I didn't get a pic in my role PM.

I got a pick in miiiiiine.

I just checked - i stand corrected - I did get a pic.

But it was a single person pic - not a group pic.

[v] DPR [/v]

outted scum is outted imo

DPR is FROZEN!?!?!!?

ed2funy · May 3, 2017

So doing my D2 reread like usual, and big question. Post 93, Sooh claims that Hackers are town aligned, even though TLM is a terrorist in the series, and is using this reasoning to make TLM out like a town slot. What is the basis for this? My character isnt a hacker. Neither were any of the ones who have died.

Seriously?!?!?!?

derpcleardenied.gif

Yeah, I found the answer for that later when someone mentioned its in the opening post as a sample PM. Not sure how good a source that is for that, but it answered the question.

Ummmmm dude Dice posted the above post after you posted this so please show me who ITT mentioned it to you BEFORE Dice did......

In my reread that im doing? Someone mentioned that Hacker sample pm was in the mod post because someone else asked Sooh the same question I did back before page 15 or so. Lemme give you a timeline.

I start reread.

I get to page 5 or so and see Soohs post about Hackers.

I post asking Sooh the question, which you then react to.

I continue my reread, and find someone reference a sample pm in the opening of the game.

Dice posts to check the sample pm.

Boom.

Quote the post please.

Morning. I'll only be able to catch up after i get off work later, so bear with me.

sadface.gif

First, on phone.

So I wanna point out for DPR, since he is conviently ignoring this fact, I never criticized the TLM spec, I criticized the Cory spec. 2 different things, so don't try to pretend voting TLM is counter to what I've said. It's not.

Second, TLM is the/a bad guy in the show Zander. Yeah, he's a less awesome V, but the good guys from this show are in the government (Sector 9 I think) so there's your perspective.

Lenlo. No one cares if you're in your phone. *looks off into distance as he debates throwing his phone* trust me, I know.

Will be looking for following up on DPR reaction on this. And later find those quotes if they haven't been posted, because there's a difference. If DPR is a wormy scum, you gotta pin him down fast and kill him. Or else he tries to lead a Lynch on you for not being as active as he'd like you to be. #rude

How did I get dragged into this?

How did you not know you were part of that interaction with Lenlo? Scummy af

I posted my reaction to Lenlo before you posted this?

Your attempt to loop me into your problems is noted. Now go ahead and post that reads list.

So then you know you were part of that interaction. And you know I was catching up as I read along. Soooooo, what's your issue with deflecting from the fact that you and Lenlo went back and forth on this?

Also, coming up. I'll show you mine and you show me yours? *waggles eyebrows*

What are you going on about? This is shite - get on with the reads or imma paint you in red.

And, I only show my tip to Adam. You got a long ways to go before you see the iceberg.

Do think because there's spoiler tags no one is going to read or click back or Lenlo's post and see where y'all interacted?

lol, just blatantly ignoring stuff again.

Who peeked DPR last night? Anyone? Hep

Someone prolly did, you agree?

Zander- first of all, you're a 49ers fan? Been a tough few years on you huh darlin?

Anyway, I see you started your very first post saying you're town and then this post http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100533-advanced-ghost-in-the-shell-night-1/?view=findpost&p=3782912 followed by requesting permission to edit the post. Reading it now, mixed with your first post out of the gate saying I am town, I guess I was just to daft to miss the claim insinuations. It's still very odd for me to have townies be so blatant.http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100533-advanced-ghost-in-the-shell-night-1/?view=findpost&p=3783192

I can't figure out how you or anyone else thinks it is such a big stretch to assume your motives are possibly recruitment. Shad's OP mentioned possibly finding yourself in a QT so that was my very first thought. As well as when you started asking people to say "I am town" pretty much from the start. Questioning you on that, especially mixed with the mysterious TLM, just seems like good sense and seems like a good thing for us townies to do. I mean, you seem like an intelligent person...except for the 49ers thing, so why is it so hard for you to conceive of such a thing?

I'm not done with Zander but thought I'd post what I have.

I understand that it's hard for people to fathom why it would take so long to make a post of that's size but i am a single mom of three. While I'm ISOing someone I am also keeping a page open to keep up with what is currently being said in the thread. mix that with track meets, inspections and sleeping...I apologize that it's not up to standards.

IRT being a 49ers fan- FML.....tho Im pretty happy with Lynch;s 1st draft as a rookie GM for my 9ers tho. Looking like if he continues to draft well and stays the course we should be ok after a 3-5 year rebuild.

As far as the editing my post part, if you read shads answer to me asking to edit right after it, it was a joke about me messing up the spoilers tag when I asked him if i could fix the tags. So I dont know wtf kinda issue you have or better wording trying to push/shade me with. You have an issue with my GOAT ability to Town tell with your blatant comment or am I missing something there???

And why did you link my olive branch comment to DPR for??!?!?!?

How in the heck to you assume me asking if people are Town is me trying to recruit them?!!?!?!? I checked the Database and youve played more games then I have and Ive played like 50 here on DM, you've never played with. read game with or even heard of a Lie Detector!?!?!?!?! I have no idea what youre even trying to say in the 2nd paragraph except for the bold which made me both lololololol and sadface.gif at the same time......

I can appreciate the single mother of 3 my dear!!!! My mom was a single mother of just me....but believe i was like having 10 adhd kids hopped up on sugar and blow.....lololololol And I dont know you wll so Im trying hard too not think of this as AtE but ok Ill give you the time thing here tho you saying you keep a tab open to respond when you totally didnt respond in real time talk when doing those just looks like youre trying to find/add reasons to it.

Giving you the time thing tho still dont change the fact of all the other issues Ive already mentioned ITT tho so....

The editing post I thought was in the same context as the LD question. I thought that was your way of trying to get whichever person it was to say they were town before you actually came out and just asked everyone to.

I have been in games with a LD but they never revealed that early. And with the "creative thinking could be beneficial" ever present in the back of my mind, plus not knowing what TLM is, the "if you find yourself in a QT" I actually thought it was pretty reasonable to assume that there could be ulterior motives. Someone thought voting TLM may trigger something and your panties didn't bunch so that just added to the persona of the "this could trigger something" mentality.

When I said I keep an open tab that I have been checking on, it started after the post with my first reads. With that post, I had just read all of their posts and formulated an opinion which I posted. Then I realized that wasn't really the best way to do it because I'm not pointing to anything specifically and by the time I got to the end, I had forgotten what I thought about the beginning. So I have been reading a few posts, going to my notepad and putting my opinion, checking the current thread then going back to the ISOing. It's a process.

I'm trying miserably to adapt to how aggressive townies are in the way the game is played now. It may not be much but it seems like a whole different game at times. Instead of just focusing on who/why spmething is scummy, it's been more of "everyone agree that a specific person is town and we will follow their lead to the end. I'm more skeptical of the person everyone is following than anybody else because I feel like I need to show their true colors to save the town.

As for the 9ers, they've seemed to have a rough 7 or 8 years. Maybe a good year or two thrown in. But it's good to see someone stick with a team when they lose. Shows loyalty. Could be worse, my dad's been a Cincinnati fan my whole life....we know how that's paid off for him

not buying what youre selling

Then no soup for you!

I dont want your poisonous Wolfy Soup tyvm!

Yes.

ed2funy · May 3, 2017

The first question was me asking if you want me to post my train of thought or not. lol

I disagree in the sense that I acknowledged I was being hypocritical, but that it's still a valid point. And it's slightly different because at the time, he had more posts.

No. What?

Zander. I'm agreeing with you saying that Killa's likely to be Town when DPR flips scum, but not because of the post you quoted. Because of the post I quoted.

Yeah, I have an inkling, but before I *forget* why, I gotta do some ISOing.

I disagree with the post thing but obv agree with the overall assessment!!!

lol, fine fine. Agree to kinda agree/disagree on why

ed2funy · May 3, 2017

You may post.

Thats my character on the far right. I guess he wont be used in the little post stories until I get lynched or night killed.

Pretty cool set up. Nice Flavor.

Good job shad_

DPR I am not claiming anything ... well in my mind claiming vt is worthless. To me it seems the only claims that matter are the ones that could be figured out with out dying first. lol Which is special roles.

How many mis lynches can you make plus the night kills and still win? Like zander #themathishard

I remember you saying earlier that you don't have any knowledge of the source material - I'll have to go back and find that to confirm.

But if you did say that, how do you know who your character is?

I didn't get a pic in my role PM.

I got a pick in miiiiiine.

I just checked - i stand corrected - I did get a pic.

But it was a single person pic - not a group pic.

[v] DPR [/v]

outted scum is outted imo

DPR is FROZEN!?!?!!?

Wut? Frozen?

How does *this* make him outed scum?

Zander? · May 3, 2017

Frozen Means scared to post.

Why do YOU think I think hes outted based on that post?

Hopefully you can answer back soon tho im starting to nod out here

ed2funy · May 3, 2017

Not knowing his own role PM sounds pretty solid why you think that. lol

If he didn't have a pic, it could be for some weird reason like scum! But makes me wonder on this point, because Shad's put much care into the flavor of the game, I figured everyone had a pic.

Zander? · May 3, 2017

are u currently voting ed?

Sooh · May 3, 2017

Before I go:

Fwiw, I don't think scum!Darthe does this fancy play on D1 to get me lynched. There's no payoff for that.

You DO realise who you are talking about right?

plus if you and |Darthe are scum together then it is ABSOLUTELY possible.

Ok, first of all I don't understand why you spent EOD focused on me, Z, but your vote never left Adam no matter what he said. Killa, Dice and Seph weren't around during EOD, so they didn't get to see his last spurt of posts, and Lenlo made a conscious decision to jump onto Adam right at the end there. Your actions are more ??? in that respect, because you seemed to not treat him as much as a suspect and more like someone you were trying to figure out, so to me it would have made more sense if your vote was on me or Tigraine tbh.

That being said:

Cop: Nyn (Zander)

Doc: Nyn (Zander/Seph)

Vig: Ed/Tigraine.

what are the brackets for sooh?

Well, I happen to know that I'm not scum with Darthe, so there's that. I was saying it mainly because I didn't know how far it would go last night, and because when I flipped I didn't want people to just condemn his actions without thinking about it. To me it looked more like fancy town play than scum play.

Brackets are alternatives, and those are not my actual choices because I had a brainfart when I first woke up.

FML irt Bold

And I mean now with Darthe flipping Town these statements are like contradictory.

Thats prolly not the right word but with the brainfart comment aand the " i didnt know what LD was till that second." and to see her calling out him doing the FPS and be right on it is a little wtf to me.

Can I get an interpreter?

Sooh · May 3, 2017

shrug i like tigs 1 catchup post.

I agree. More of that pls!

What about it do you like in particular?

Thoughts on my take on it in my response to the same seph quote you had heard?

She had thoughts. She communicated them. She was getting started on posting in the game. I like that.

You can also file this under 'encouragement'.

Sooh · May 3, 2017

So doing my D2 reread like usual, and big question. Post 93, Sooh claims that Hackers are town aligned, even though TLM is a terrorist in the series, and is using this reasoning to make TLM out like a town slot. What is the basis for this? My character isnt a hacker. Neither were any of the ones who have died.

Sample town role PMs:

Hacker, Town aligned

You are a member or sympathizer of Public Security Section 9, investigating cyberterrorism. You are a Hacker. You win when all threats to Town are eliminated. As a hacker, you can infiltrate anything connected to the global network once per night.

Sooh · May 3, 2017

Zander,

re what happened last night.

If you remember that wolf game of mine where I got you lynched you might get what I'm saying here. Last night when you were pushing me to no end and I got frustrated, that sort of took up all of my attention and made me feel the urge to post back and forth with you to correct the things you were saying that were obvious to me, but not so obvious to you. It made me unable to focus on most things around it, because of how intense the pressure was.

That's the danger with too much pressure. It becomes counterproductive in that it pushes townies to not look beyond that one silly argument. In that wolf game I pushed you so hard on things I knew were coincidences, but those things plus the way you responded made you seem really wolfy, and was the reason I managed to get you lynched.

When you say that I should have focused on Adam when he resurfaced, I couldn't. I was too cooped up in that argument with you and got tunnel vision for everything around it. I didn't have time to do anything but defend myself to what seemed like mindless accusations to me.

I do think that scum Zander is capable of doing such a thing, but I also think that town Zander would do the same, so it's sort of not alignment indicative for me at the moment. I'll definitely consider it more, but that's how I feel about what went down last night.

Red- Again a gross and ridiculous exaggeration imo. You've seen me really push a suspect "to no end" and you damn well know that's not what I did there. Like MAYBE if you were someone who hadnt played with me before MAYBE you'd use those terms. But youve played with me a lot and youve seen me REALLY push someone as EITHER alignment. Its a poor me, its all Zander's fault I could't/wouldn't do what I said I wanted to BS imo. This kinda of crap is why I can't stop seeing you Scummy.

And because of comments like the Blue make me think youre slightly trying to shade me or keep me as a poss option to push later. Perhaps if stuff like the red werent in your posts I might be able to take it as genuine if youre actually a Towny.

Also in terms of what I said about you pressuring me and not Adam, I see that that's not entirely true, but because your focus was more on pressuring me and sending suss jabs at him it felt unnatural that you should vote him over me.

How did it feel unnatural???

I was sussing Adam LONG LONG before I was sussing you so......?!?!!?!!?!

I literally am losing interest in communicating with you this game.

IN YOUR OPINION this is exaggerated????

Well let me tell you, IN MY OPINION, THE WAY I EXPERIENCED IT, this is NOT an exaggeration.

Sooh · May 3, 2017

Could Darthe be silenced?

Oh Darthy Darthe??!?

I'm sure it was a bit of a joke, but you really think there was a N0 silence?

No, not from the way he came back in.

WOW

Sooh seriously this gam has a TON of WTF from you.

Like if you end being a Villager I just dont know if my head will explode or not.

What part of this is WTF to you?

ed2funy · May 3, 2017

are u currently voting ed?

Not yet. Probably Seph after I post this reads list. Just need to colorize and format nicely because I wrote it in a Notepad

ed2funy · May 3, 2017

ed2funy - Sexy town whom Seph refuses to stop tunneling on faulty raisins

Laughing Man - lawls NPC; can be voted, can't/hasn't seemed to vote

Zander - Pretty sure he's Town. He's playing the same way I'm used to and I haven't seen anyone call him out for being able to mimic it as scum.

Sooh - Still don't get why she didn't just say the Town statement, even if she didn't know they were referring to LD. Otherwise, besides what seems like confusion from people not using quotes or names, I actually think she's been making sense and am leaning a stronger town.

Don't know her meta, but people have commented that she's too confident in stuff, but I'm not seeing that.

Lenlo - came out better of the two between him and DPR in TLM clash, imo. The hacker PM question is....interesting. Not paying attention to OP? that 50/50 thing with vote boosts him because I did the opposite as scum last game. Slight town

Dice - Hasn't left a *big* impression. Besides asking me to town claim over and over with Seph. Not sure if he's going to side with Seph, but I still feel he's more on the town side compared to Seph. Null to town

Nynaeve - Null purely because I don't know how to read her. Otherwise, town for asking questions and being inquisitive. Pointing out things that don't make sense.

Killashandra - A lot of people always start reading her scummy, but I'm getting the same feel as her other games. The part I don't get is the full reveal. I'd have to check, but in Fight Club, I think she only revealed after some pressure. Slight scum lean, but a redemption when DPR flips Town.

Niniel - For all of those who play with her more, what's her meta like? Is this normal for her to sort of take the easy way out like with her reads? More null-scum read for her few posts.

Tigraine - Tigs. Tigs, what are you doing? Your catchup posts where you actually attempt to post content are odd. Your explanation of having a tab open doesn't make sense. Not gonna lie, it was weird when she read me as posting more content when I hadn't yet. Like....hello red flag. Scum

DPR - Scum af. Need to iso to show what I'm seeing. But it's there. I know he'll say something by the time I wake up and get to post, but whatever. Just you wait, DPR.

seph - lololol dude, could you be any worse? You're not actually reading my content and replying to anything. You're just saying I'm not posting content and going on half-assed meta. You've yet to show examples of any kind. I'm looking at you the same way I looked at DPR in Kaylee's game. hard scum

Darthe - N1 NK, TOWN

Adam - D1 Lynch, TOWN

Town to scum top to bottom, minus dead people.

Hey yo

[v]Seph[/v]

Are you going to provide any actual raisins or nah?

Sooh · May 3, 2017

I'll be back after work.

Zander? · May 3, 2017

Would you say I pressured you harder then:

Lenlo in Matrix?

That Kim dude in the MU Hyrda game?

In the game Nolder self voted has Town and you subbed out and Turin who had died came back and took over your slot?

Tab in Nightmare before Christmas?

Kat in BFG's game where I hydra'd with Cass?

Yates and Sili in SW?

Then Dice for awhile in Worlds End when he got Pizza to shot me?

Like Hallia and AJ in Minions

I can dig out more if you like.

Im just saying me QUESTIONING you is not me PUSHING you.

YOUVE SEEN ME PUSH, YOU ACTING LIKE I WAS ALL OVER YOU LIKE FAT KID ATTACKING AN ALL YOU CAN EAT BUFFET is just not true.

Again maybe maybe maybe if you didnt know me and hadnt played with me before Id buy this line of thought, but you know the difference and you playing the omg Zander was picking on me/being mean to me so I couldnt do anything is at the very least a gross exaggeration based on my history.

Heck Ive ML you before and have pushed you harder then this.

Zander,

re what happened last night.

If you remember that wolf game of mine where I got you lynched you might get what I'm saying here. Last night when you were pushing me to no end and I got frustrated, that sort of took up all of my attention and made me feel the urge to post back and forth with you to correct the things you were saying that were obvious to me, but not so obvious to you. It made me unable to focus on most things around it, because of how intense the pressure was.

That's the danger with too much pressure. It becomes counterproductive in that it pushes townies to not look beyond that one silly argument. In that wolf game I pushed you so hard on things I knew were coincidences, but those things plus the way you responded made you seem really wolfy, and was the reason I managed to get you lynched.

When you say that I should have focused on Adam when he resurfaced, I couldn't. I was too cooped up in that argument with you and got tunnel vision for everything around it. I didn't have time to do anything but defend myself to what seemed like mindless accusations to me.

I do think that scum Zander is capable of doing such a thing, but I also think that town Zander would do the same, so it's sort of not alignment indicative for me at the moment. I'll definitely consider it more, but that's how I feel about what went down last night.

Red- Again a gross and ridiculous exaggeration imo. You've seen me really push a suspect "to no end" and you damn well know that's not what I did there. Like MAYBE if you were someone who hadnt played with me before MAYBE you'd use those terms. But youve played with me a lot and youve seen me REALLY push someone as EITHER alignment. Its a poor me, its all Zander's fault I could't/wouldn't do what I said I wanted to BS imo. This kinda of crap is why I can't stop seeing you Scummy.

And because of comments like the Blue make me think youre slightly trying to shade me or keep me as a poss option to push later. Perhaps if stuff like the red werent in your posts I might be able to take it as genuine if youre actually a Towny.

Also in terms of what I said about you pressuring me and not Adam, I see that that's not entirely true, but because your focus was more on pressuring me and sending suss jabs at him it felt unnatural that you should vote him over me.

How did it feel unnatural???

I was sussing Adam LONG LONG before I was sussing you so......?!?!!?!!?!

I literally am losing interest in communicating with you this game.

IN YOUR OPINION this is exaggerated????

Well let me tell you, IN MY OPINION, THE WAY I EXPERIENCED IT, this is NOT an exaggeration.

....fine.

Can you at least answer the question i asked in the above in blue please?

Zander? · May 3, 2017

are u currently voting ed?

Not yet. Probably Seph after I post this reads list. Just need to colorize and format nicely because I wrote it in a Notepad

hmmmm not what i expected.

ed2funy · May 3, 2017

I'm waiting for that. Gonna iso and try to show people first.

ed2funy · May 3, 2017

Then gotta go back and look at their interactions.

ed2funy · May 3, 2017

BUT, I'm thinking W/W

dicetosser1 · May 3, 2017

@ed

so im flashing back on the Thak game we just finished and comparing to this.

you started out slow ramped up when under pressure.

Tell me why I shouldnt lynch you here too?

I *always* start slow and ramp up as I go along. RL just kind of messes with the ratio more.

And increase outward pressure as I get pressured, truth be told, as either alignment. It's why when DPR went after me in Fight Club toward the end, I really dug into him. We were both Town at that point. But same goes for Kaylee's game where he went after me and I dug in. He was scum.

What you shouldn't do is lynch me off of half-based meta. Read my content and interactions now and see how those line up to those games, not just a general "he got more active later on" timeline kind of thing.

riight now based on ure content i want to vote you.

ed2funy - Sexy town whom Seph refuses to stop tunneling on faulty raisins

Laughing Man - lawls NPC; can be voted, can't/hasn't seemed to vote

Zander - Pretty sure he's Town. He's playing the same way I'm used to and I haven't seen anyone call him out for being able to mimic it as scum.

Sooh - Still don't get why she didn't just say the Town statement, even if she didn't know they were referring to LD. Otherwise, besides what seems like confusion from people not using quotes or names, I actually think she's been making sense and am leaning a stronger town.

Don't know her meta, but people have commented that she's too confident in stuff, but I'm not seeing that.

Lenlo - came out better of the two between him and DPR in TLM clash, imo. The hacker PM question is....interesting. Not paying attention to OP? that 50/50 thing with vote boosts him because I did the opposite as scum last game. Slight town

Dice - Hasn't left a *big* impression. Besides asking me to town claim over and over with Seph. Not sure if he's going to side with Seph, but I still feel he's more on the town side compared to Seph. Null to town

Nynaeve - Null purely because I don't know how to read her. Otherwise, town for asking questions and being inquisitive. Pointing out things that don't make sense.

Killashandra - A lot of people always start reading her scummy, but I'm getting the same feel as her other games. The part I don't get is the full reveal. I'd have to check, but in Fight Club, I think she only revealed after some pressure. Slight scum lean, but a redemption when DPR flips Town.

Niniel - For all of those who play with her more, what's her meta like? Is this normal for her to sort of take the easy way out like with her reads? More null-scum read for her few posts.

Tigraine - Tigs. Tigs, what are you doing? Your catchup posts where you actually attempt to post content are odd. Your explanation of having a tab open doesn't make sense. Not gonna lie, it was weird when she read me as posting more content when I hadn't yet. Like....hello red flag. Scum

DPR - Scum af. Need to iso to show what I'm seeing. But it's there. I know he'll say something by the time I wake up and get to post, but whatever. Just you wait, DPR.

seph - lololol dude, could you be any worse? You're not actually reading my content and replying to anything. You're just saying I'm not posting content and going on half-assed meta. You've yet to show examples of any kind. I'm looking at you the same way I looked at DPR in Kaylee's game. hard scum

Darthe - N1 NK, TOWN

Adam - D1 Lynch, TOWN

Town to scum top to bottom, minus dead people.

Hey yo

[v]Seph[/v]

Are you going to provide any actual raisins or nah?

this has just relegated you to the i am watching hard category. I just dont feel your posts. they seem to be just surfacy lots of fluff. and yes i know to expect lots of jokes from you but you feel wrong.

also re the claim bit there was a reason. the first time i noticed you say i am town was the one you commented on. It had fullstops after every word.

JIC zander IS LD i know how much he sux at mechanics. I doubt he would realise that LDing that would not work.

So i wanted and still want unless you show me where you said it straight out to see you do it. I just wanna tick the box basically.

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