[Advanced] Ghost in the Shell - MAFIA WIN

Niniel · May 7, 2017

I will have to go soon but will back later today. Maybe I can pop in now and then, I don´t know.

Right now I think we have two pairs that are trying to back each other and one of them might be mafia: Ed/Dice and Shad/DPR. Right now I´m leaning the second pair but I need to get time to go back and read. Things I need to look for are for example how Ed and Dice reacted to Killas claim.

Second pair says Shad/DPR

Do you mean Seph?

lol Yes.

Niniel · May 7, 2017

I think I might have found the post that Dice refered to earlier when he said that he thought that he might be the doc. I don´t know... will think about it.

DPR · May 7, 2017

This is crazy -

@ dice - How are you going on about "hacker is role" and acting like you are confused??? Niniel claimed TRACKER. There are roles!

Out of the blue you decide to clear Niniel and ed?!?!?!

Please answer these questions:

1. Why would a QT be set up for a dead player that can't answer it?

2. Do you really think that Niniel's monstr-hacked-a-mafia-and-died scenario is even possible? YOU'RE A HACKER THAT JUST HACKED TIGS AND VICE VERSA. MAGICALLY, NO ONE IS DEAD.

Niniel and you are both trying to make things more confusing - that's the opposite of what we should be doing.

Niniel lied. Then she set ed up. She's on the other end of his QT, deliberately not answering.

You just hacked the COP because you thought you were the Doc??? Who does that?

Nope.

This is last minute scum scrambling.

Scum team is or is in:

Niniel

dice

Killa

ed.

I´m trying to post the facts we got so far. It´s not confusing. Don´t like this.

You lied when you claimed 1xTracker.

You told someone else you were not a Tracker.

You reversed your lie, asked who everyone thought you should track and then teased ed.

You set ed up from the start of D3

You botched all of your language - you said you had info on ed when you had info on monstr.

You floated the monster-died-because-he-hacked-ed theory

You voted ed.

I'm like, 95% that you and ed are mafia and I hate dice's post clearing you and ed.

Read my post where I tell you what I did and why.

Yes, I lied about being 1x. Don´t you understand why?

I mixed up the words hacker and tracker. Read all of my posts and see that it fits.

See why I asked Ed what I did. I have since unvoted. It was not a set up.

I really don't. I see no reason for your first reveal at all. Didn't then and don't now.

You've certainly made a lot of mistakes. Makes a really nice cover for mafia who want to suddenly get active in a game and start throwing out all sorts of crazy information. Just sayin'.

You say you didn't set ed up. Fine. Explain to me why a QT would be set up for only 1 person.

I don´t understand the last question.

Really.

Why would a QT be created and a link sent to a player (ed) when nobody was going to communicate.

Your theory was that monstr hacked ed and died because ed was mafia. This is why ed still got the QT, from a dead player.

I say that's nonsense - no QT is created for a dead player - there is no point as the dead player is dead and all...

But ed still has a QT that no one is going him on. How do you think that happened?

Niniel · May 7, 2017

This is crazy -

@ dice - How are you going on about "hacker is role" and acting like you are confused??? Niniel claimed TRACKER. There are roles!

Out of the blue you decide to clear Niniel and ed?!?!?!

Please answer these questions:

1. Why would a QT be set up for a dead player that can't answer it?

2. Do you really think that Niniel's monstr-hacked-a-mafia-and-died scenario is even possible? YOU'RE A HACKER THAT JUST HACKED TIGS AND VICE VERSA. MAGICALLY, NO ONE IS DEAD.

Niniel and you are both trying to make things more confusing - that's the opposite of what we should be doing.

Niniel lied. Then she set ed up. She's on the other end of his QT, deliberately not answering.

You just hacked the COP because you thought you were the Doc??? Who does that?

Nope.

This is last minute scum scrambling.

Scum team is or is in:

Niniel

dice

Killa

ed.

I´m trying to post the facts we got so far. It´s not confusing. Don´t like this.

You lied when you claimed 1xTracker.

You told someone else you were not a Tracker.

You reversed your lie, asked who everyone thought you should track and then teased ed.

You set ed up from the start of D3

You botched all of your language - you said you had info on ed when you had info on monstr.

You floated the monster-died-because-he-hacked-ed theory

You voted ed.

I'm like, 95% that you and ed are mafia and I hate dice's post clearing you and ed.

Read my post where I tell you what I did and why.

Yes, I lied about being 1x. Don´t you understand why?

I mixed up the words hacker and tracker. Read all of my posts and see that it fits.

See why I asked Ed what I did. I have since unvoted. It was not a set up.

I really don't. I see no reason for your first reveal at all. Didn't then and don't now.

You've certainly made a lot of mistakes. Makes a really nice cover for mafia who want to suddenly get active in a game and start throwing out all sorts of crazy information. Just sayin'.

You say you didn't set ed up. Fine. Explain to me why a QT would be set up for only 1 person.

I don´t understand the last question.

Really.

Why would a QT be created and a link sent to a player (ed) when nobody was going to communicate.

Your theory was that monstr hacked ed and died because ed was mafia. This is why ed still got the QT, from a dead player.

I say that's nonsense - no QT is created for a dead player - there is no point as the dead player is dead and all...

But ed still has a QT that no one is going him on. How do you think that happened?

I don´t know. It´s only a theory (Tig´s from the beginning I think) that the qt was set up because of Manbat visiting him. I don´t know what to think about that. I also think it´s strange. I guess it depends on how Shad decided to do. Which action he did to chose went first. Did Manbat do a link before he died or did he die before he could make a link?

I don´t even understand your thoughts. You think that I hacked Ed and made us a qt (or Shad did, don´t know how that works?) that I wasn´t going to post in?

Niniel · May 7, 2017

This is crazy -

@ dice - How are you going on about "hacker is role" and acting like you are confused??? Niniel claimed TRACKER. There are roles!

Out of the blue you decide to clear Niniel and ed?!?!?!

Please answer these questions:

1. Why would a QT be set up for a dead player that can't answer it?

2. Do you really think that Niniel's monstr-hacked-a-mafia-and-died scenario is even possible? YOU'RE A HACKER THAT JUST HACKED TIGS AND VICE VERSA. MAGICALLY, NO ONE IS DEAD.

Niniel and you are both trying to make things more confusing - that's the opposite of what we should be doing.

Niniel lied. Then she set ed up. She's on the other end of his QT, deliberately not answering.

You just hacked the COP because you thought you were the Doc??? Who does that?

Nope.

This is last minute scum scrambling.

Scum team is or is in:

Niniel

dice

Killa

ed.

I don´t even get how you get to this conclusion. You think I set up Ed. That must mean that you think he is town, right?

DPR · May 7, 2017

This is crazy -

@ dice - How are you going on about "hacker is role" and acting like you are confused??? Niniel claimed TRACKER. There are roles!

Out of the blue you decide to clear Niniel and ed?!?!?!

Please answer these questions:

1. Why would a QT be set up for a dead player that can't answer it?

2. Do you really think that Niniel's monstr-hacked-a-mafia-and-died scenario is even possible? YOU'RE A HACKER THAT JUST HACKED TIGS AND VICE VERSA. MAGICALLY, NO ONE IS DEAD.

Niniel and you are both trying to make things more confusing - that's the opposite of what we should be doing.

Niniel lied. Then she set ed up. She's on the other end of his QT, deliberately not answering.

You just hacked the COP because you thought you were the Doc??? Who does that?

Nope.

This is last minute scum scrambling.

Scum team is or is in:

Niniel

dice

Killa

ed.

I don´t even get how you get to this conclusion. You think I set up Ed. That must mean that you think he is town, right?

No. it's an easy play to bus a player on.

I think you set up ed.

What ed is has yet to be determined.

Niniel · May 7, 2017

Got to go now. I will try to read back and look at this from all angles later. Right now I´m mostly annoyed by DPR´s tunnelling and it might be because he is mafia.

Niniel · May 7, 2017

Got to go now. I will try to read back and look at this from all angles later. Right now I´m mostly annoyed by DPR´s tunnelling and it might be because he is mafia.

This is crazy -

@ dice - How are you going on about "hacker is role" and acting like you are confused??? Niniel claimed TRACKER. There are roles!

Out of the blue you decide to clear Niniel and ed?!?!?!

Please answer these questions:

1. Why would a QT be set up for a dead player that can't answer it?

2. Do you really think that Niniel's monstr-hacked-a-mafia-and-died scenario is even possible? YOU'RE A HACKER THAT JUST HACKED TIGS AND VICE VERSA. MAGICALLY, NO ONE IS DEAD.

Niniel and you are both trying to make things more confusing - that's the opposite of what we should be doing.

Niniel lied. Then she set ed up. She's on the other end of his QT, deliberately not answering.

You just hacked the COP because you thought you were the Doc??? Who does that?

Nope.

This is last minute scum scrambling.

Scum team is or is in:

Niniel

dice

Killa

ed.

I don´t even get how you get to this conclusion. You think I set up Ed. That must mean that you think he is town, right?

No. it's an easy play to bus a player on.

I think you set up ed.

What ed is has yet to be determined.

I set up my teammate?

Okay. That is my last post for now.

DPR · May 7, 2017

This is crazy -

@ dice - How are you going on about "hacker is role" and acting like you are confused??? Niniel claimed TRACKER. There are roles!

Out of the blue you decide to clear Niniel and ed?!?!?!

Please answer these questions:

1. Why would a QT be set up for a dead player that can't answer it?

2. Do you really think that Niniel's monstr-hacked-a-mafia-and-died scenario is even possible? YOU'RE A HACKER THAT JUST HACKED TIGS AND VICE VERSA. MAGICALLY, NO ONE IS DEAD.

Niniel and you are both trying to make things more confusing - that's the opposite of what we should be doing.

Niniel lied. Then she set ed up. She's on the other end of his QT, deliberately not answering.

You just hacked the COP because you thought you were the Doc??? Who does that?

Nope.

This is last minute scum scrambling.

Scum team is or is in:

Niniel

dice

Killa

ed.

I´m trying to post the facts we got so far. It´s not confusing. Don´t like this.

You lied when you claimed 1xTracker.

You told someone else you were not a Tracker.

You reversed your lie, asked who everyone thought you should track and then teased ed.

You set ed up from the start of D3

You botched all of your language - you said you had info on ed when you had info on monstr.

You floated the monster-died-because-he-hacked-ed theory

You voted ed.

I'm like, 95% that you and ed are mafia and I hate dice's post clearing you and ed.

Read my post where I tell you what I did and why.

Yes, I lied about being 1x. Don´t you understand why?

I mixed up the words hacker and tracker. Read all of my posts and see that it fits.

See why I asked Ed what I did. I have since unvoted. It was not a set up.

I really don't. I see no reason for your first reveal at all. Didn't then and don't now.

You've certainly made a lot of mistakes. Makes a really nice cover for mafia who want to suddenly get active in a game and start throwing out all sorts of crazy information. Just sayin'.

You say you didn't set ed up. Fine. Explain to me why a QT would be set up for only 1 person.

I don´t understand the last question.

Really.

Why would a QT be created and a link sent to a player (ed) when nobody was going to communicate.

Your theory was that monstr hacked ed and died because ed was mafia. This is why ed still got the QT, from a dead player.

I say that's nonsense - no QT is created for a dead player - there is no point as the dead player is dead and all...

But ed still has a QT that no one is going him on. How do you think that happened?

I don´t know. It´s only a theory (Tig´s from the beginning I think) that the qt was set up because of Manbat visiting him. I don´t know what to think about that. I also think it´s strange. I guess it depends on how Shad decided to do. Which action he did to chose went first. Did Manbat do a link before he died or did he die before he could make a link?

I don´t even understand your thoughts. You think that I hacked Ed and made us a qt (or Shad did, don´t know how that works?) that I wasn´t going to post in?

This is a deliberate attempt to act confused.

You're telling me that you, an experienced player, don't know if the mod sets up QT's?

I rest my case. People will see what I see or they won't. No need to drag this dog and pony show out any further.

Cass · May 7, 2017

How come you changed your mind about me?

So you did the same as Ed? Hacked Killa and then holstered?

hacked tigs cause i thought i might be a doc role.

im Batou mentioned in this last scene

as for why see the sample pms they both say vanilla but the hacker is a role. I figured the Hackers were the prs.

Dice, I follow your logic on the sample PMs/Hacker = Town PR but not the rest?

Why would you think Hacker meant Doc role?

Does that mean you thought that all 'PRs' were all Docs?

Or different roles

DPR · May 7, 2017

How come you changed your mind about me?

So you did the same as Ed? Hacked Killa and then holstered?

hacked tigs cause i thought i might be a doc role.

im Batou mentioned in this last scene

as for why see the sample pms they both say vanilla but the hacker is a role. I figured the Hackers were the prs.

Dice, I follow your logic on the sample PMs/Hacker = Town PR but not the rest?

Why would you think Hacker meant Doc role?

Does that mean you thought that all 'PRs' were all Docs?

Or different roles

I'd like to point out that Tigs claimed Hacker and Amnesiac Cop early on. Roles and types (hacker/cyborg/human) were established then.

How does dice, who is now confirmed in a QT with Tigs, come out this morning and say that he doesn't think there are roles? Or that he thought he was doc?

Especially after Tigs got confused with the roleblocker thing and already cleared that up for everyone to see?

tearingmyhairout.gif

Cass · May 7, 2017

This is crazy -

@ dice - How are you going on about "hacker is role" and acting like you are confused??? Niniel claimed TRACKER. There are roles!

Out of the blue you decide to clear Niniel and ed?!?!?!

Please answer these questions:

1. Why would a QT be set up for a dead player that can't answer it?

2. Do you really think that Niniel's monstr-hacked-a-mafia-and-died scenario is even possible? YOU'RE A HACKER THAT JUST HACKED TIGS AND VICE VERSA. MAGICALLY, NO ONE IS DEAD.

Niniel and you are both trying to make things more confusing - that's the opposite of what we should be doing.

Niniel lied. Then she set ed up. She's on the other end of his QT, deliberately not answering.

You just hacked the COP because you thought you were the Doc??? Who does that?

Nope.

This is last minute scum scrambling.

Scum team is or is in:

Niniel

dice

Killa

ed.

Are the bottom reads in order of scummiest at top DPR?

If not, can you rank them so for me pls?

DPR · May 7, 2017

This is crazy -

@ dice - How are you going on about "hacker is role" and acting like you are confused??? Niniel claimed TRACKER. There are roles!

Out of the blue you decide to clear Niniel and ed?!?!?!

Please answer these questions:

1. Why would a QT be set up for a dead player that can't answer it?

2. Do you really think that Niniel's monstr-hacked-a-mafia-and-died scenario is even possible? YOU'RE A HACKER THAT JUST HACKED TIGS AND VICE VERSA. MAGICALLY, NO ONE IS DEAD.

Niniel and you are both trying to make things more confusing - that's the opposite of what we should be doing.

Niniel lied. Then she set ed up. She's on the other end of his QT, deliberately not answering.

You just hacked the COP because you thought you were the Doc??? Who does that?

Nope.

This is last minute scum scrambling.

Scum team is or is in:

Niniel

dice

Killa

ed.

Are the bottom reads in order of scummiest at top DPR?

If not, can you rank them so for me pls?

That's them. But they're based on today's (D3) events alone and not my full reread and notes (still in progress).

DPR · May 7, 2017

I got one more thing to add and then I'm off to go Pokehunting:

No one has talked about this yet, but in light of the role/type conversations it could be important.

Adam (D1 lynch) had a robot companion - a Tachikomo. It's in the spoiler under his death scene.

Adam was a cyborg and so was Lenlo, but Lenlo didn't have one.

I asked Seph if he had one and he doesn't.

Also, I do still have Seph as town. It's the same thing he said about me - we've been game solving since we started the QT, and if he's faking that then hats off to him.

Cass · May 7, 2017

I got one more thing to add and then I'm off to go Pokehunting:

No one has talked about this yet, but in light of the role/type conversations it could be important.

Adam (D1 lynch) had a robot companion - a Tachikomo. It's in the spoiler under his death scene.

Adam was a cyborg and so was Lenlo, but Lenlo didn't have one.

I asked Seph if he had one and he doesn't.

Also, I do still have Seph as town. It's the same thing he said about me - we've been game solving since we started the QT, and if he's faking that then hats off to him.

Light knows I'm juggling a zillion flavour-related-tinfoil/possible-conspiracy ideas, but I don't follow how this could be relevant to alignment given that both Adam and Lenlo have flipped Town?

/shrug #?distraction, and I'm not sure whether this is more likely to come from scum or town.

Cass · May 7, 2017

This is crazy -

@ dice - How are you going on about "hacker is role" and acting like you are confused??? Niniel claimed TRACKER. There are roles!

Out of the blue you decide to clear Niniel and ed?!?!?!

Please answer these questions:

1. Why would a QT be set up for a dead player that can't answer it?

2. Do you really think that Niniel's monstr-hacked-a-mafia-and-died scenario is even possible? YOU'RE A HACKER THAT JUST HACKED TIGS AND VICE VERSA. MAGICALLY, NO ONE IS DEAD.

Niniel and you are both trying to make things more confusing - that's the opposite of what we should be doing.

Niniel lied. Then she set ed up. She's on the other end of his QT, deliberately not answering.

You just hacked the COP because you thought you were the Doc??? Who does that?

Nope.

This is last minute scum scrambling.

Scum team is or is in:

Niniel

dice

Killa

ed.

Are the bottom reads in order of scummiest at top DPR?

If not, can you rank them so for me pls?

That's them. But they're based on today's (D3) events alone and not my full reread and notes (still in progress).

Ok for now.

I have my doubts about Nin, Dice, Ed based on D3 also. Don't know anything about Killa here. Or really anybody/much beyond D3. I keep getting distracted by flavour and tinfoil and checking out random Wiki links trying to piece it all together.

Random thoughts on interactions and the heaviness with which DPR is going at Nin and Dice but painting Ed as 'set up' by Nin is odd.

YOLO if Nin and/or Dice are Town and Ed is scum, DPR could be scum distancing here too.

Can't rule out scum-scum distancing between all of them though.

Or the possibility of Towny motivation.

*bangs head against wall*

Nynaeve · May 7, 2017

I did for a time think nin may have fake claimed but I am really no longer sure that is so. I think I will work on the assumption she is possibly being honest. I already believed tig and continue to.

ftr, being tracker =/ being town.

Nynaeve · May 7, 2017

Nyn I dont think I like what she has posted recently and she seems to be hanging back more and more. Though that could go for other players as well after yesterday.

Really? Please expand on what you don't like.

And considering what went down ITT the last couple of days, yeah, my wim is pretty much rock bottom.

How about you tell me why you're town reading Nin? Is it just because of her claim? As I just stated, she could easily be a tracker, but that doesn't attest to her alignment. So how about a real reason for the read?

Nynaeve · May 7, 2017

Ahhhh yes, the old "can I get my computer back for just a minute?" dilemma.

My son is 7. He'll look up at me and say "is it for work or mafia?" Truth.

IRT Niniel & ed:

Niniel asked ed first, saying that she "might" know something about him. But she didn't know anything about him - she knew about monstr.

So she floated that out there like a trap.

ed talked about the QT before Niniel gave the details of her results and voted.

Then she claimed that she tracked monstr visiting ed - and this is after she first claimed 1x, then reversed that with the "who should I track?" post.

She rolls it all up and comes up with the idea that monstr visited ed and died, based on monstr hacked ed.

Which is completely ridiculous - Tigs is a hacker too. No way she dies if she "hacks a mafia".

Not to mention game numbers. Monstr was a hacker and I'll bet there are others. They can't all die if they hack mafia.

And I just don't see a QT being created if it's not going to be used. What's the point?

Bogus attempt at a mafia win imo.

It's possible. Feels like a LYLO move, though. Did anyone unvote at some point? That should tell us if we're at LYLO or not.

Nynaeve · May 7, 2017

Have been skimming through on mobile at work trying to piece things together best I can, day has been busier than expected but we're about to knock off and I should have computer time tonight to gather thoughts/get them out but

you're probably the only one that can get a smile out of me today <3

DPR · May 7, 2017

Ahhhh yes, the old "can I get my computer back for just a minute?" dilemma.

My son is 7. He'll look up at me and say "is it for work or mafia?" Truth.

IRT Niniel & ed:

Niniel asked ed first, saying that she "might" know something about him. But she didn't know anything about him - she knew about monstr.

So she floated that out there like a trap.

ed talked about the QT before Niniel gave the details of her results and voted.

Then she claimed that she tracked monstr visiting ed - and this is after she first claimed 1x, then reversed that with the "who should I track?" post.

She rolls it all up and comes up with the idea that monstr visited ed and died, based on monstr hacked ed.

Which is completely ridiculous - Tigs is a hacker too. No way she dies if she "hacks a mafia".

Not to mention game numbers. Monstr was a hacker and I'll bet there are others. They can't all die if they hack mafia.

And I just don't see a QT being created if it's not going to be used. What's the point?

Bogus attempt at a mafia win imo.

It's possible. Feels like a LYLO move, though. Did anyone unvote at some point? That should tell us if we're at LYLO or not.

dice voted Niniel at start of day, unvoted and is talking No Lynch now.

DPR · May 7, 2017

What do you think of everything I've said about Niniel?

How about you take a crack at the questions I asked.

Nynaeve · May 7, 2017

If noone claims that they got the reports then maybe:

Tigs is right and we need to find some kind of trigger?

Mafia got the reports?

I have a little inkling...

Nynaeve · May 7, 2017

What do you think of everything I've said about Niniel?

How about you take a crack at the questions I asked.

If you asked me questions, I'll get to them.

Nynaeve · May 7, 2017

man if i'm right i'm so gonna kick myself post game lol

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