[Basic C9++] Murder Mystery Mafia D5

[monstrman]

nope still gold

[Cory Caboose]

Honestly I think you're a pretty smart guy and probably are being obtuse intentionally at this point because keeping the argument going gives you something to talk about. You haven't seemed to care much about the lynch this game (barring when it's you) and I imagine as a villager you'd probably care more about that specifically. That's what Darthe showed today that I think he forgets to fake as a wolf a lot, so that's a portion of my read on Darthe being what it is.

 

If I'm wrong on that, again, I'm sorry, but re: your slot my mind is basically made up. You can laugh at my reads post-game if you're a villager and blame me for any potential loss, I can take it ;)

 

I'm not afraid of being wrong, especially to the point of inaction. You're going to be wrong sometimes. Don't think I'm wrong here, but I'm not blind enough to think it's impossible.

[Cory Caboose]

(that was @DPR for the record)

[DPR]

 

Shad keeps spinning and misrepping DPR by directly quoting him.

 

Happens to someone every game, now doesn't it? 

 

@ DPR if I were to claim Bus Driver would you treat it as null or call me a liar?

 

Obviously you'd call me a liar, because that's miles away from C9++.  A slight deviation from the open set-up does not flush the set-up in its entirety down the toilet.  Darthe drops an uncountered claim that makes a hell of a lot of sense here and he didn't wait for most of the field to reveal before doing it, you're dismissing probability of a doc out of hand because this is not a completely open set-up, and you're also telling the "real" doc to not counterclaim, it just all reads to me like you're in quite a pickle and desperately need a mislynch and you're going to stir the pot with people like me and Darthe rather than any of the serious suspects because you don't want any of it to be useful information if you still go down today.

 

I've been focused on ed in my reads, and for days, but never mind that. What's going on here is pretty simple: Cory is the leader and players are positioning themselves to fit into his style of playing. It's not a bad way to go - nothing wrong with it per say, except for 2 things... it immediately puts players outside that play style in the disposable poe pile (and that's been blatantly pointed out over and over) and sooner or later he's gonna roll scum. So, it's not without it's flaws.

 

Hence all of the "lock clears" being people that Cory is familiar with and the poe's being Me/ed/tigs. Yeah, he'll let Killa ride but she's openly supporting him - she quickly spotted and fit into the play style that he wants and that preserves her.

 

As far Niniel goes, he says that he does not like bussing and I don't doubt it. But what allows his plan to work is that everyone knows each other's play style. That means that he has to take into consideration that anyone that spots Niniel as scum will also be expecting him to spot her. That boils down to exactly 1 choice - he has to bus her.

 

Which is all to say that it's really neat when you explain above how things should work. But that's not always how they do work. You factor in Darthe's record for false claims and I don't think that my scenario is so hard to see. 

 

If it reads to you like I'm desperate, that's because I'm in the current situation and am trying to preserve my town slot. 

 

 

 

I mean obviously you did get into it with Ed for a while first.  You've been transitioning away from that onto people outside of the POE.

 

For a while at first? From D1 building to now, or what he calls a "setup". LOL

 

I've also had Darthe on my list the entire game. You know this.

 

And I suppose a villager can find whoever they damn well please to be suspicious, but you've been largely ignoring Tig and Tress as far as I can tell.

 

Misrep #4. I've repeatedly said i didn't have a problem with Tigs play. Still don't.

 

I've also commented on Tress and pretty much said she's doing a good job of keeping her cards close to her vest. So, have another look.

 

Basically it just looks narrow to me.  Without ISOing most of what I remember of your earlier game when people were generally leaning town on you was pushing consensus villagers, and since your back's been against the wall you had a go at your counterwagon and then turned back to more or less consensus villagers. 

 

You'll call this a misrep and intentional twisting because that's your gig, maybe you've shown broader coverage than I remember and I can ISO that later but if you have it didn't stick out to me, and I'm generally looking for how other players approach my top suspects.

 

Yeah, yeah...

 

I guess maybe what I should be asking is: assume for a moment I'm town; why in your opinion should I not want to lynch you right now?

 

 

Call it the rebel in me, but I'm getting tired of dancing to your tune while Cory "doesn't like showing his work." 

 

You're going to go with whatever plan you have. Nothing I say is going to change that.

 

 

 

That last is me being pissy and that' doesn't help the town.

 

The reason is because I've given reads. I've made cases - particularly on ed - and that's pro-town no matter how you slice it. 

 

I get a lot of negative attention because I'm not afraid to mix it up. But it ain't the reason to lynch me. 

 

Do what you gotta do.

[DPR]

I have a ton of posts on my reads & why I make my reads & how I feel about specific slots, so I don't think it's particularly fair to say I haven't been transparent about it.

 

The fact that I usually don't feel the need to explain my votes is mostly because people know why I'm voting already. This whole line of thought from you just seems to be nitpick after nitpick about my specific playstyle (it is what it is) but the rationale between why you don't like it ("doesn't explain his votes!") is not really a supported conclusion in thread context.

 

This seems less than sincere given that I don't know you, or why you're voting me.

 

Having trouble understanding why that's so hard for you to get.

[monstrman]

colby jack caboosen

[monstrman]

i think we should make bro club tshirts

[DPR]

Honestly I think you're a pretty smart guy and probably are being obtuse intentionally at this point because keeping the argument going gives you something to talk about. You haven't seemed to care much about the lynch this game (barring when it's you) and I imagine as a villager you'd probably care more about that specifically. That's what Darthe showed today that I think he forgets to fake as a wolf a lot, so that's a portion of my read on Darthe being what it is.

 

If I'm wrong on that, again, I'm sorry, but re: your slot my mind is basically made up. You can laugh at my reads post-game if you're a villager and blame me for any potential loss, I can take it ;)

 

I'm not afraid of being wrong, especially to the point of inaction. You're going to be wrong sometimes. Don't think I'm wrong here, but I'm not blind enough to think it's impossible.

 

Fine. And my case on ed? 

 

He's stalled all game. I've specifically asked for info and he doesn't produce. You think I'm a better pick than him?

[Cory Caboose]

 

I have a ton of posts on my reads & why I make my reads & how I feel about specific slots, so I don't think it's particularly fair to say I haven't been transparent about it.

 

The fact that I usually don't feel the need to explain my votes is mostly because people know why I'm voting already. This whole line of thought from you just seems to be nitpick after nitpick about my specific playstyle (it is what it is) but the rationale between why you don't like it ("doesn't explain his votes!") is not really a supported conclusion in thread context.

 

This seems less than sincere given that I don't know you, or why you're voting me.

 

Having trouble understanding why that's so hard for you to get.

 

 

Basically, I'm used to being me and the way I play is very natural for me. I don't think too much about what I'm doing, I just sort of do and look for results.

I'm aware you don't know that and I understand that creates a bit of a mental gap for us, but it's not like I'm not talking about my reads & the foundation for how I'm trying to progress this game.

[Kaylee]

Official Vote Count

 

DPR (3): Darthe, Ed, Manbat

 

Ed (1): DPR

 

Not Voting (4): Tress, Tig, Killashandra, Shadory

 

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch

 

DPR IS AT L-2

 

DEADLINE IS SET FOR APRIL 22TH AT 8:30PM PST

 

[Cory Caboose]

 

Honestly I think you're a pretty smart guy and probably are being obtuse intentionally at this point because keeping the argument going gives you something to talk about. You haven't seemed to care much about the lynch this game (barring when it's you) and I imagine as a villager you'd probably care more about that specifically. That's what Darthe showed today that I think he forgets to fake as a wolf a lot, so that's a portion of my read on Darthe being what it is.

 

If I'm wrong on that, again, I'm sorry, but re: your slot my mind is basically made up. You can laugh at my reads post-game if you're a villager and blame me for any potential loss, I can take it ;)

 

I'm not afraid of being wrong, especially to the point of inaction. You're going to be wrong sometimes. Don't think I'm wrong here, but I'm not blind enough to think it's impossible.

 

Fine. And my case on ed? 

 

He's stalled all game. I've specifically asked for info and he doesn't produce. You think I'm a better pick than him?

 

 

I would guess one of you is a wolf and one of you is a SK, or this has been a serious busjob. I would vote either and have said that many times throughout this phase.

 

My preference is fluid, but I'm not going to deny that I feel you are probably the more dangerous player of the two and you're more capable of talking yourself out of a lynch if I were to end up thrown in a lake with cement shoes soon (which is a possibility)

[DPR]

 

 

Honestly I think you're a pretty smart guy and probably are being obtuse intentionally at this point because keeping the argument going gives you something to talk about. You haven't seemed to care much about the lynch this game (barring when it's you) and I imagine as a villager you'd probably care more about that specifically. That's what Darthe showed today that I think he forgets to fake as a wolf a lot, so that's a portion of my read on Darthe being what it is.

 

If I'm wrong on that, again, I'm sorry, but re: your slot my mind is basically made up. You can laugh at my reads post-game if you're a villager and blame me for any potential loss, I can take it ;)

 

I'm not afraid of being wrong, especially to the point of inaction. You're going to be wrong sometimes. Don't think I'm wrong here, but I'm not blind enough to think it's impossible.

 

Fine. And my case on ed? 

 

He's stalled all game. I've specifically asked for info and he doesn't produce. You think I'm a better pick than him?

 

 

I would guess one of you is a wolf and one of you is a SK, or this has been a serious busjob. I would vote either and have said that many times throughout this phase.

 

My preference is fluid, but I'm not going to deny that I feel you are probably the more dangerous player of the two and you're more capable of talking yourself out of a lynch if I were to end up thrown in a lake with cement shoes soon (which is a possibility)

 

 

 

You know, another way to put that would be that I'd be the most valuable as town. 

[DPR]

This has been interesting - I'll give you that.

[Shad_]

As far Niniel goes, he says that he does not like bussing and I don't doubt it. But what allows his plan to work is that everyone knows each other's play style. That means that he has to take into consideration that anyone that spots Niniel as scum will also be expecting him to spot her. That boils down to exactly 1 choice - he has to bus her.

Quick note on this that isn't going to help anything in this game but should help you read Cory down the road.

 

Cory is an excellent reader of Dice. He nails him pretty much always. I'd put it up there with his ability to read Niniel Verbal and myself.

 

In my more formative years I was in a game where Dice and Cory randed scum together. Dice was being really suspicious and started to draw a train, and some people turned to Cory and asked for his expertise.

 

He said he thought Dice was town and everyone backed off and they won together at end game.

 

That's Cory's mindset. He'll drag his whole team along as long as humanly possible. If Dice had gotten lynched anyway or vigged or something he'd have dropped some self-pity story about how he's not always right but damn does he try his hardest and blah blah and enough people would buy it that he'd probably still dodge any sort of consensus suspicion.

[DPR]

I gotta lunch thing. I'll be back to mix it up more later.

[Cory Caboose]

If you flip villager I'll be totally mad at myself so you'll have that XD

[DPR]

 

As far Niniel goes, he says that he does not like bussing and I don't doubt it. But what allows his plan to work is that everyone knows each other's play style. That means that he has to take into consideration that anyone that spots Niniel as scum will also be expecting him to spot her. That boils down to exactly 1 choice - he has to bus her.

Quick note on this that isn't going to help anything in this game but should help you read Cory down the road.

 

K

 

Cory is an excellent reader of Dice. He nails him pretty much always. I'd put it up there with his ability to read Niniel Verbal and myself.

 

K - seems like it matters more to you than the game?

 

In my more formative years I was in a game where Dice and Cory randed scum together. Dice was being really suspicious and started to draw a train, and some people turned to Cory and asked for his expertise.

 

He said he thought Dice was town and everyone backed off and they won together at end game.

 

That's Cory's mindset. He'll drag his whole team along as long as humanly possible. If Dice had gotten lynched anyway or vigged or something he'd have dropped some self-pity story about how he's not always right but damn does he try his hardest and blah blah and enough people would buy it that he'd probably still dodge any sort of consensus suspicion.

 

Everybody does that.

 

Cool story bro. (couldn't resist)

 

 

Killing me for time...

 

Blue.

[Cory Caboose]

all these flavors and you choose to be salty

[DPR]

If you flip villager I'll be totally mad at myself so you'll have that XD

 

That and a token will get me on the subway.

 

And I'm not going to lay down make it okay for you to lynch me, even if you are an irrepressible little scamp. 

[Shad_]

Which is all to say that it's really neat when you explain above how things should work. But that's not always how they do work. You factor in Darthe's record for false claims and I don't think that my scenario is so hard to see.

I honestly just buy his claim because it makes sense and no one countered it and he dropped it early enough that he couldn't be remotely confident no one would counter it.

 

Is it a gambit I'm willing to lose to? Well, in a game with one kill per night and only one mislynch thus far I'd give it a few days' pass and see what happens. In a game with a SK whose been scum siding where we are pretty screwed if we mislynch and things don't work out magically at night, I'm going to just accept it as more believable than some of the alternatives in front of me.

[Cory Caboose]

The "everybody does that" doesn't apply to DM much at least anymore, the DM wolf meta of the last 2-3 years here has been extensively bus heavy, far more than other websites I play at

[DPR]

all these flavors and you choose to be salty.

 

Pirate.

 

And don't overlook the humorous undertones. Of course, not trying to lynch me does bring out the sugar :p

[DPR]

I really do have to go. Back later.

[Shad_]

K

 

K - seems like it matters more to you than the game?

 

Everybody does that.

 

Cool story bro. (couldn't resist)

I assume you would be interested in methods to read him more correctly in the future if you are a villager who thinks we are scum but knows he could be wrong.

[Cory Caboose]

 

all these flavors and you choose to be salty.

 

Pirate.

 

And don't overlook the humorous undertones. Of course, not trying to lynch me does bring out the sugar :p

 

 

Fair enough :P