[Advanced] Fight Club Mafia! - Game Thread!

[Cuth]

 

 

OK Cuth

1. His play this game is by far one of the most scummy. This has been a towny game I'm and he has put in 0 effort to solve it, with lackluster reasons for his votes, which he has 0 progression on.

2. I never said I don't see his play not Coming from a town perspective, I said it to you earlier.

3. My vote isn't based on this game compared to that 3p game. I am staying it is entirely different though.

4. You can see how hard he tried to solve it, there is a big difference and makes me think I am right though.

5. When he does post there is nothing actually helping us solve this game

i'm not saying you said you couldn't see his play coming from a town perspective

 

i am asking you

 

right here

 

and right now

 

whether you think not solving is >rand scum

Yes I think putting no effort (not just solving) is indeed. Especially in a game like this where I feel confident or at least good about most people.

 

 

Sooh

WiFi

Dice

Ed

Bfg (though I disliked her recent interaction with Cuth a bit)

 

Iron

 

Tress

Darth

Hallie

Crusher

 

Cuth

Dpr

 

IA pretty much how I feel atm

 

what happened to the "only four people you would lynch"

 

moreover who cares about the rest of the players

 

that makes no difference

 

do you think, on the whole, a scum who is capable of being active and trying to put up a facade of activity and helpfulness will more likely

 

a)do so

b)not

 

i've been in so many games where that person is town and so few games where that person is scum

 

i'm not saying his behavior has been towny, i just don't think it's a viable scum tell in any way

[Ironeyes]

 

cause my gut hates it. 

 

this was at marsh

OK I'm actually happy with that answer. Ironically. Cause I gut vote a lot too

[Clovdyx]

Vote Count!

 

• Songstress - 3 - Ed2funy, Sooh, Wildfire Sedai
  
• DeadPirateRoberts - 3 - Darthe, Seph, Sooh
  
• The Crusher - 1 - Wildfire Sedai
  
• Sooh - 2 - The Crusher, Dreadpirateroberts
  
• Darthe - 2 - Cuth, Dreadpirateroberts
  
• Seph - 1 - Ed2funy
  
• Cuth - 3 - Ironeyes, Seph, Dicetosser1
  
• IronEyes - 1 - Dicetosser1
  

 

Phase 1 of Day 1 ends at 11:00 PM EST on Saturday, March 18th!

 

[Darthe]

 

Darthe IS a sheep. Gosh. Baaaaaaahhhhhhn- kah^

 

 

Imagine if after the last game you played, you volunteered to be frozen in time to be woken up later. Now you're awake, but the world has changed...

 

People now try to figure out the game on D1 by judging how "townie" their posts are. Players are a lot more sensitive. They drink a lot less. Darthe is thought of, by some, as a good player. 

 

Basically, it's like a trippy 80's movie.

 

It's okay old man, someone had to dethrone you eventually 

[Ironeyes]

 

 

so telling people what you believe and that they should believe it after giving actual reasons is manipulation?

 

i should just make a case, sit back, and let the wolves manipulate the lynch?

 

because i guarantee you that's what would happen if nobody tried to persuade anybody else

 

if everyone presents arguments without pushing their arguments, it's less productive

 

in this case darthe is scum

 

therefore i am calling for his lynch

 

is this unreasonable

I'm not getting my point across at all, am I?

 

What I'm trying to say is that I think you're doing one thing but claiming to do another. I don't disagree with what you say here, but I don't think that was what you did a few pages ago. 

[Cuth]

 

 

 

Again: His tunnel on darthe is not scummy. His callouts to two other people to "vote Darthe" which I quoted in the post where I dropped my vote were scummy. Like I said, there is a difference between making a case and straight up manipulating people. 

show me the difference

 

show me how i am not making a case, but am rather straight up manipulating people

 

do it

 

 

 

 

I would consider towny play to be stating your reasons, then letting people make their own cases and decide for themselves. Just insisting that everyone vote a certain way reminds me strongly of a power lynch strategy, that, ironically, I first saw used by Darthe himself as scum. 

Especially on day one, certain players can be influenced to vote just based on who's loudest. I would know cause I'm usually one of them. Been trying to change that lately

 

but if you felt very very strongly that someone was scum, that you were convinced, would you still just sit back

 

this whole game of mafia, it is exactly that

 

manipulating people into lynching the people you think should be lynched

 

as either alignment

 

if you're not doing your best to make that happen, you're going to lose more often than if you are

 

unless methods are bad ofc

[seph]

Iron viewing Cuth as manipulating does not make sense to me in this game, but given how I have seen him play makes sense with him being partners I believe with Cuth last game? And Cuth doing that then he is seeing him in the same light so to speak?

 

I viewed it as more towny and still do. But as I haven't been in many games with them it could also be scum trying to pin something on someone.

To be honest I just don't see iron doing the latter here.

Someone who has played with him a bunch, would.irn do something like this as scum?

[Darthe]

I assumed it was as well, I'm sure Darthes comment just went over my head then lol.

It totally did, he was 3p last game and I kept defending him

[Cuth]

 

 

so telling people what you believe and that they should believe it after giving actual reasons is manipulation?

 

i should just make a case, sit back, and let the wolves manipulate the lynch?

 

because i guarantee you that's what would happen if nobody tried to persuade anybody else

 

if everyone presents arguments without pushing their arguments, it's less productive

 

in this case darthe is scum

 

therefore i am calling for his lynch

 

is this unreasonable

I'm not getting my point across at all, am I?

 

What I'm trying to say is that I think you're doing one thing but claiming to do another. I don't disagree with what you say here, but I don't think that was what you did a few pages ago. 

 

what i was doing was 

 

a)calling for his lynch based on my feelings and reasons that i had elucidated to rather great length in thread, or 

b)manipulating people into lynching him based on fake reasons and feelings?

 

if you wanted to attack the weak point in all this, that would be the reasonings and feelings

 

as such you're basically just saying that you think it's scummy to be vocal and try to get someone lynched

[Songstress]

Seph feels pretty genuine to me right now.   

[Cuth]

i don't think i want iron to be run up today, dice

 

he has a certain firmness and solidity of tone that i like, even though i vehemently disagree with everything he's saying

[Cuth]

Seph feels pretty genuine to me right now.   

in what way?

[Ironeyes]

 

 

 

so telling people what you believe and that they should believe it after giving actual reasons is manipulation?

 

i should just make a case, sit back, and let the wolves manipulate the lynch?

 

because i guarantee you that's what would happen if nobody tried to persuade anybody else

 

if everyone presents arguments without pushing their arguments, it's less productive

 

in this case darthe is scum

 

therefore i am calling for his lynch

 

is this unreasonable

I'm not getting my point across at all, am I?

 

What I'm trying to say is that I think you're doing one thing but claiming to do another. I don't disagree with what you say here, but I don't think that was what you did a few pages ago. 

 

what i was doing was 

 

a)calling for his lynch based on my feelings and reasons that i had elucidated to rather great length in thread, or 

b)manipulating people into lynching him based on fake reasons and feelings?

 

if you wanted to attack the weak point in all this, that would be the reasonings and feelings

 

as such you're basically just saying that you think it's scummy to be vocal and try to get someone lynched

 

That isn't what I intended to say at all. As I said, I'm struggling to articulate my point. 

 

Iron viewing Cuth as manipulating does not make sense to me in this game, but given how I have seen him play makes sense with him being partners I believe with Cuth last game? And Cuth doing that then he is seeing him in the same light so to speak?

 

I viewed it as more towny and still do. But as I haven't been in many games with them it could also be scum trying to pin something on someone.

To be honest I just don't see iron doing the latter here.

Someone who has played with him a bunch, would.irn do something like this as scum?

Now that you say that it could be true. I've only ever played one game with Cuth and we were scum together. This could be his normal play and I'm just incapable of telling the difference. 

[seph]

1. I updated my list while reading

 

2.scum will always try and do so, but I'm viewing dpr as having trouble posting in the thread. Not just lack of game solve.

 

3. You are right it's not a viable scum tell. But that with his random votes with lackluster reasons. Which the tone doesn't seem natural on bug the cap out of me and I won't get over it.

 

Town player who isn't going to help is going to be lynched eventually regardless. I'm this game I have 0 idea if he is scum but he is by fr no where near my town list and deserves to be the lynch over sooh/WiFi some people are votinf

[Ironeyes]

Iron viewing Cuth as manipulating does not make sense to me in this game, but given how I have seen him play makes sense with him being partners I believe with Cuth last game? And Cuth doing that then he is seeing him in the same light so to speak?

 

I viewed it as more towny and still do. But as I haven't been in many games with them it could also be scum trying to pin something on someone.

To be honest I just don't see iron doing the latter here.

Someone who has played with him a bunch, would.irn do something like this as scum?

I won't try to explain my own meta here, but if it helps, Darthe, Sooh, and Tress have all played with me pretty much since I started playing mafia. 

[Cuth]

 

 

 

Iron viewing Cuth as manipulating does not make sense to me in this game, but given how I have seen him play makes sense with him being partners I believe with Cuth last game? And Cuth doing that then he is seeing him in the same light so to speak?

 

I viewed it as more towny and still do. But as I haven't been in many games with them it could also be scum trying to pin something on someone.

To be honest I just don't see iron doing the latter here.

Someone who has played with him a bunch, would.irn do something like this as scum?

Now that you say that it could be true. I've only ever played one game with Cuth and we were scum together. This could be his normal play and I'm just incapable of telling the difference. 

 

hangonasec

 

now that he says what

[Cuth]

1. I updated my list while reading

 

2.scum will always try and do so, but I'm viewing dpr as having trouble posting in the thread. Not just lack of game solve.

 

3. You are right it's not a viable scum tell. But that with his random votes with lackluster reasons. Which the tone doesn't seem natural on bug the cap out of me and I won't get over it.

 

Town player who isn't going to help is going to be lynched eventually regardless. I'm this game I have 0 idea if he is scum but he is by fr no where near my town list and deserves to be the lynch over sooh/WiFi some people are votinf

coughcoughdarthe

[Darthe]

 

 

 

 

 

Vote Songstress & Wildfire

#raisins?

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They shifty af. The whiskey is telling me they suss.

 

For now. Not many people posting often enough to interact.

 

Seems a bit early for a double vote like that. I'd like to think that's towny. Depends on how brazen you are regularly though. 

 

Mild town lean?

 

 

 

 

 

Vote Songstress & Wildfire

#raisins?

m

They shifty af. The whiskey is telling me they suss.

 

For now. Not many people posting often enough to interact.

 

Seems a bit early for a double vote like that. I'd like to think that's towny. Depends on how brazen you are regularly though. 

 

Mild town lean?

 

Why do say you would "like" to think its towny and then give a mid town lean?  If you gave it a mid town lean it seems you "do" think its townie. Seems like you might know they are town and don;t want us to know that.

vote sooh

 

It would be a flat out town lean if it came from someone I knew better and had certain expectations for their behavior. When it comes to Ed I'm not sure what to expect yet. Still, it's a different sort of bold behavior that I think might come from town more than scum, so therefore the mild town lean. 

 

As for "I'd like to think that's towny" and "I think that's towny", those are pretty much the same statements for me, except the first one hedges a bit more I guess. 

 

If I was saying the first it would be me saying I think it's not townie in this particular scenario though normally it would be.

[Songstress]

 

Seph feels pretty genuine to me right now.   

in what way?

 

 

In the way that I thought that he sounded like he was posting what he was thinking without too much agenda.

 

And I am also feeling terrible and my opinion right now is probably completely useless, but BFG said anything would be helpful?  So maybe she was wrong?  

[Darthe]

Darthe is scum, how about that for a nice warm fresh take from the cafe down the street.

 

[v]Darthe[/v]

 

and for now [v]Crusher[/v]

 

but there's really not much of a reason on that one

[Ironeyes]

 

 

 

Iron viewing Cuth as manipulating does not make sense to me in this game, but given how I have seen him play makes sense with him being partners I believe with Cuth last game? And Cuth doing that then he is seeing him in the same light so to speak?

 

I viewed it as more towny and still do. But as I haven't been in many games with them it could also be scum trying to pin something on someone.

To be honest I just don't see iron doing the latter here.

Someone who has played with him a bunch, would.irn do something like this as scum?

Now that you say that it could be true. I've only ever played one game with Cuth and we were scum together. This could be his normal play and I'm just incapable of telling the difference. 

 

hangonasec

 

now that he says what

He said that my (very recent) game with you as partners could be coloring my perceptions. That's something I hadn't considered and it's probably true. I have a chronic case of recency bias, where what happened in the near past weighs more heavily on my reasoning than the more distant past. 

[Darthe]

yeah no reread his posts

 

he has an intensity, but not his normal jokey persona

 

the vote on DPR was questionable, but i took even more issue with the "just watch and see if she derps" thing with wifi

 

you are suddenly shouting for cold hard reads, which is unusual

 

but then you go around disagreeing with other people's cold hard reads

 

your tone is so baaaad though

You switched halfway through from talking to people to talking to (me?) I think.  Is that right?  

[Cuth]

Should have read: "His callouts to two other people to "vote Darthe" (which I quoted in the post where I dropped my vote) were scummy.

and why were they scummy

 

this is what i was saying

 

is it scummy to vocally call for the lynch of someone you scumread

[Cuth]

 

yeah no reread his posts

 

he has an intensity, but not his normal jokey persona

 

the vote on DPR was questionable, but i took even more issue with the "just watch and see if she derps" thing with wifi

 

you are suddenly shouting for cold hard reads, which is unusual

 

but then you go around disagreeing with other people's cold hard reads

 

your tone is so baaaad though

You switched halfway through from talking to people to talking to (me?) I think.  Is that right?  

 

sort of yes

[Cuth]

 

 

 

 

Iron viewing Cuth as manipulating does not make sense to me in this game, but given how I have seen him play makes sense with him being partners I believe with Cuth last game? And Cuth doing that then he is seeing him in the same light so to speak?

 

I viewed it as more towny and still do. But as I haven't been in many games with them it could also be scum trying to pin something on someone.

To be honest I just don't see iron doing the latter here.

Someone who has played with him a bunch, would.irn do something like this as scum?

Now that you say that it could be true. I've only ever played one game with Cuth and we were scum together. This could be his normal play and I'm just incapable of telling the difference. 

 

hangonasec

 

now that he says what

He said that my (very recent) game with you as partners could be coloring my perceptions. That's something I hadn't considered and it's probably true. I have a chronic case of recency bias, where what happened in the near past weighs more heavily on my reasoning than the more distant past. 

 

and what, pray tell, am i doing this game similarly to last game?