[Advanced] Old West Mischief Mafia - Town Wins!

[Eldrick4221]

I don't need convincing. I was relaying Cuth's question.

[Eldrick4221]

Thanks tho.

 

I can only do so much on my phone before I get a headache.

[dicetosser1]

Which has been the core of my arguments against Kizzy today - not to be confused with all of my arguments and the vote train against Kizzy yesterday.

 

But Seph says she's cool, so everyone is going with that.

Seriously, you gotta read up.

 

wanna bet? my votes going one of two places today  kizzy clov or eldrick

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here we go - get a load of this:

 

Ok. Had to wait for mod conformation about if I could even talk about it.

 

Last night, presumably at the beginning of night phase, I was to make a choice. I can't go into specifics because of mod communication and whatnot, but suffice to say I'm worried about the result of the choice.

 

Due to the obscure nature of the question, it feels like depending on what I picked, one of us will die. If there's a doc, and they have nothing better to do, I would like protection. I don't trust the outcome of this role, whatever it's doing.

 

If it's result is a kill, I would like to thwart it. It does not feel like a town ability.

 

that's never scum

 

it's also not role-fishing

 

unless the scum team has a watcher or something

 

rolefishing is enticing people to publicly out their roles, which is not the case

 

 

 

And you don't see this as a catalyst to get a Doc to somehow reveal themselves - or to get conversation about roles in general started?

 

You got anything else? 

 

why on earth would the doctor reveal themselves in thread

 

 

They dont have to. it was night. if theyd been stupid enuff to do it and if the mafia had a  watcher then BOOM! doc outted.

 

 

 

 

Btw who is spoof? Also Cass is getting votes soon if she doesn't show

 

I think someone brought him from another site, but I can't remember who or from where. Hoping Cass is okay. :/

 

 

 

Me and Kaylee hit him up.

 

@Darthe hes Spoot  with a t on JN  think hes fairly new there

[Eldrick4221]

They dont have to. it was night. if theyd been stupid enuff to do it and if the mafia had a watcher then BOOM! doc outted.

 

Your concern makes sense. You are assuming that I'm scum, that scum has a watcher, and that I offered some elaborate scheme to get them to target me.

 

Question though. If you were in my place. If you had been asked to make some obscure choice, without knowing who was making you choose or why, how would you respond?

[Eldrick4221]

For all I know whoever targeted me will target someone else again. If they do, that person will hopefully understand what I'm talking about.

[dicetosser1]

i cant answer that not knowing what u were told. that info would make the difference of whether i keep my mouth shut or do a zander

[Eldrick4221]

The choice did not use game related terms.

[Eldrick4221]

I have asked permission to at least say what I picked.

 

That will clear this up.

[Eldrick4221]

I regret even bringing it up because of all it ended up doing is be a distraction.

 

I was paranoid. I didn't know why I was being asked. I wanted you guys to be aware of the role in the case it killed me.

[Cass]

*Scoots her boots into a seat and waves windmills at bartender for a beer*

 

Day done!

 

Sup all, I have > 30 pages to catch up on *headdesk* I'm aware I've been about as useful as t*ts on a bull ITT to here but trust me thoughts and stuff are still happening with the little time I have. Not promising they're great thoughts, I haven't had time to dig as deep as I'd like on just about anything, but there's a start. One more day of exams and class and then hopefully I'll be able to keep up with skims during night shifts.

 

Torn between chasing the pages ITT and early stuff that was bothering me before v. catching up v. starting all over v. dipping to ISOs at this point. 

 

'Brain'dump of where I'm at as of 30 pages ago though:

 

 

Not WTL

 

Dice - More genuinely cheeky early on than I think he'd be as wolf, he's either pulling the wool over my eyes from close to the start or he's Real True Blue AussieTownDice relaxed/confident/easy going. Would like to see more content but think he's good for now.

 

LizClov- didn't/don't like either of their intro posts or narrow focus on self defence early on. ?shade or paranoia? Snark from Mrs Clov and aggression from Liz look good. Liz v Darthe for wider focus is !!!!!!!! Refusing to let him stay noncommittal reads [/i]hunting[/i] for answers. Branching out at same time looks good. Issue with Darthe vote?

 

Seth - Gave me early 'follow Cuth' heebies but seemed genuine pumped/increased hunting after wolf flip.

 

Cuth - Mehh on early calling Liz' question a 'slip'. Ok for backing off and giving space. Early tone seemed helpful, diversion/attention tactic EoD1 could've gone either way but I'm seeing TownCuth motivation for now.

 

WiFi - gives opinions, thought flow still unique but more controlled/less wild-flowing than last game. 

 

 

Possi-sus/Want more from

 

Spoof / Hallia / Tiink / Kronos - These guys all need more looking into imo…  Won't fight a lynch here at this point but am concerned they're going to end up problematic either as coasting scum or LHF and I think the earlier we sort them out the better. Of the two late votes yesterday I'm thinking Tiink's looks most opportunistic and Kronos' tone seems genuine. I've been giving Tiink the benefit of the doubt based on perceived RL business, which may be dumb. Had concerns about Kronos being sheepish early but not sure if they still hold aorn. Spoof is either genuinely overwhelmed or coasting but don’t think that should allow him a full free pass in and of itself. Hallia's quietness bothers me, I honestly don't remember a single thing she's said, but I don't know if that's a thing.

 

DPR / Crusher / Eldrick / Darthe - is where I'm most YOLO WTL / most bothered.

 

99% of this is not at all solid in my mind.

 

Yes, brilliant, I know. Come at me!

 

[Eldrick4221]

Back to more important stuff.

 

As of top of page 27, references to notbob

 

1. DPR -

2. Cass -

4. Kronos -

6. Darthe -

7. Wifly-

8. Hally -

9. Eldrick - Joke about not checked in = scum. Listed in those that haven't checked in/posted non fluff

10. Cuth -

11. Seph - listed in those that haven't checked in/posted non fluff

12. Tink -

13. Dice -

14. Spoof -

15. Lizclov - Comment about not having played with him before

16. Crusher -

 

Gonna just require and edit this listime as I go.

[Eldrick4221]

LizClov- didn't/don't like either of their intro posts or narrow focus on self defence early on. ?shade or paranoia? Snark from Mrs Clov and aggression from Liz look good. Liz v Darthe for wider focus is !!!!!!!! Refusing to let him stay noncommittal reads [/i]hunting[/i] for answers. Branching out at same time looks good. Issue with Darthe vote?[/size][/font]

They aren't the only one. Why the question mark? Why ignore explaining?

 

Why did you leave your joke vote on him all phase?

[Eldrick4221]

Agree with your list, for the most part. You are in the "want more from" category, as is wiffy.

 

Lizclov, Seph and Cuth are my definite not lynch. I think I've already made those clear.

 

Dice has made it there too, because my interactions with him have felt genuine.

[Darthe]

Errors in judgement is kinda my forte'

 

:(

That's pretty apparent. You started your explanation for voting me with "I discussed it with liz".

[Darthe]

Actually, why would you do that if town? You wouldn't knew her alignment, so no way she has that much weight.

[Darthe]

 

 

 

 

2. Doc Cassiday (cass) - slight town, not enough gifs to imitate zander.

 

6. Darthe Wade (Darthe) town

 

8. Hallia Cogburn (Hallia) nully mc jellybean

 

9. Eldrick the Kid (Eldrick4221) will discuss later - mixed emotions.

 

10. Cuthroat Jesse (Cuth) town

 

13. Dice - Lone Stranger (dicetosser1) re read, not as strong of a town as before. but town

 

15. Miss Kizzy Clov (MrsClov and Lizabeth) am voting - obvious. have a few thoughts in my head.

 

16. Crushlove the Bacon Bandit (The Crusher) nully mc null face

why the strong read on darthe

pretty big meta/tone read. I am wrong on him often. there is a certain town game he plays, I feel like he just can't replicate when he plays as scum. 3p option is still available of course.

Caught notice of this because of you pushing the 3p concept on me.

 

Why are you so concerned about 3p? Why is it even occurring to you already?

darthe also brought up 3p at least once

I did?

[Darthe]

@Eldrick these were all from pages 29 to 32 or 33. He mentions darthe or responds to him quite a bit. Not sure what you want to make of it. I added the quote about me explaining to NotBob why Liz and I were the lynch and he said there was probably scum on us..... I've pointed out before that Darthe was voting us at the time.

 

 

 

Hmmm yeah you know what [unvote] [v]Darthe[/v] That quote I keep mentioning from Not Bob just isn't sitting right and Darthe was one of the ones who moved off Liz and I very late in the phase to lynch Not bob.

 

 

 

 

 

Claim: vigilante.

 

Discuss.

Didn't see this on the first read through, but are you really doing this the game after doing it in Sooh's Basic game as scum?

Darthe being Darthe.

 

 

 

Wow, the groupthink in this thread is ridiculous. None of you see it as a little odd that everyone seems to be jumping up and down saying that what Liz and I have done are scummy? I find it hard to believe that you are all town and really truly can't see the problem with everyone but Liz and I saying that what we've said is scummy. Definitely leaning town on Seph and Cuth right now, but I'm questioning some of you who have come, in this morning and are so easily going with the general consensus of the thread. Incredibly concerned that Tinker doesn't seem to think there's anything of value in the thread right now.

I'm on page 5...so do a favor...what have you and Liz done?

Cliff note version, make of it what you will: Liz and I placed a joke vote on Dice and it blew up out of control many of the conversations we've had with people made them start going after us for being scum (we're not) so we've been on the defense all day phase. Liz was trying to expand everyone's thoughts and ask people to open their minds and really think about it and asked who would our scum partners be. So now that's apparently the scummiest thing ever. I spent a large chunk of last night trying to reason with those who were on because they were expecting us to find scum, when it's kind of hard to get things done when you're constantly having to defend yourself. Cuth, Seph, and Eldrick gave us a courtesy unvote, we unvoted Dice. Came back this morning to people who hadn't been around a ton yesterday agreeing that we're scummy. It just seems odd that no one has a problem with a large part of the game thinking this is scummy. It's like they're just going after the easiest thing to lynch in the thread.

Prolly scum in the pile of those pushing you.

 

 

 

Claim: vigilante.

 

Discuss.

Didn't see this on the first read through, but are you really doing this the game after doing it in Sooh's Basic game as scum?

Darthe being Darthe.

Notbob usually instavotes me, and made a point of it last game because that claim was enough reason for him to do so. Here he is defending it?? Thats very atypical of you bobbo

 

 

 

Didn't you say DARTHE???!??

#AWKWARD!

 

<3

Yep, I did say Darthe.

 

But you told me to be my ENFP self and you know how we do

 

Would you prefer me to vote for Darthe?

I would...we can tag team?

 

Vote Darthe

There it is! Ok, I feel a bit better now, though not sussing the claim alone is just funky

 

 

 

 

 

Claim: vigilante.

 

Discuss.

Didn't see this on the first read through, but are you really doing this the game after doing it in Sooh's Basic game as scum?

That he's doing it again is so null it's hilarious.

 

A) Huge difference between him doing it last game and this game is this game is closed. We don't even know IF there's a vig.

 

B) Darthe claiming early in general is null by itself.

 

C) He could easily do this again if he rolled scum again as equally as he could as town.

^^^scummy post^^^

Why?

I do not like Eldrick's soft defense tendencies. Yes, Darthe does this claim stuff like this too often but Eldrick's rationalizing comes across as scummy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Claim: vigilante.

 

Discuss.

Didn't see this on the first read through, but are you really doing this the game after doing it in Sooh's Basic game as scum?

That he's doing it again is so null it's hilarious.

 

A) Huge difference between him doing it last game and this game is this game is closed. We don't even know IF there's a vig.

 

B) Darthe claiming early in general is null by itself.

 

C) He could easily do this again if he rolled scum again as equally as he could as town.

^^^scummy post^^^

Why?

 

 

I do not like Eldrick's soft defense tendencies. Yes, Darthe does this claim stuff like this too often but Eldrick's rationalizing comes across as scummy.

That's exactly how Eldrick is though. He will tell you if something is expected on D1, and he will do it in exactly this format which makes it look as though he's hedging on a read, or soft defending. In similar tones to Eldrick's post; this is null for Eldrick.

Yes, but he muddies the waters. I'd prefer to see the interactions...let Darthe answer for his BS claims.

Super wolfy that you felt the need to build this up.

[Darthe]

When is dl?

[Eldrick4221]

 

Official Vote Count

 

Darthe Wade (1): Cass

Miss Kizzy Clov (2): Dice, Darthe

Hallia Cogburn (1): Kronos

Eldrick the Kid (1): DPR

 

Not Voting: Sooh, NotBob, WiFi, Hallia, Tiinker, Spoof, Crusher, Cuth, Miss Kizzy Clov, Seph, Eldrick

 

 

With 16 alive it takes 9 to string em up!

Mod note: No deadline has been set for D1 at this time. Once everyone has checked in a deadline and countdown timer will be added to the vote counts.

Is this cass vote on me the carry over from real early?

 

Also, we had no reason to take pressure off liz. Fos to both the new guy for asking for unvotes, mrs clov came in right after and began posting much bigger swathes of content

This was touched on before, but ignored I think.

 

Why is this bad?

[Eldrick4221]

Just starting to read this game. Anyone want to provide the cliff notes?

 

Also, today is a prep day for me...will be sporadic until Monday night.

Ok.

 

NotBob check in post. Now we're getting somewhere.

[Tiinker]

Up to page 50, Crush and Eldrick are pushing entirely different agendas. Not massively confident in my reads.

 

Eldrick flip flopping doesn't ring any bells but usually he walks through almost all small details which he shows when he says things like "he wrote scum before he wrote town. Indicative?" and things like that but when it came to LizClov he looked super hesitant to join on her votes despite the fact that she was playing ridiculously scummy and when he finally does it's with the reason that she was asking "who my teammates would be?". Sad excuse to vote, like he needed a new reason to vote her since he didn't want to look like he was "bandwagoning". 

 

Then he changes his mind when she loses heat because of the amount of heat she's gotten but has slowly convinced himself without having posted much about it in the thread - not in line with his meta.

 

vote Eldrick

 

I mentioned Crush because on page  35 or something Liz had lost a lot of momentum, DPR voted her to bring her back to 3 votes and Crush calls her a "solid scum" but doesn't vote until later.

 

I'm going to take a look at NB train later because I actually didn't think he looked to be playing too differently to how he normally does but I seem to be inept at reading him.

[Tiinker]

part of me wants to vote Wifi on that, but I always read her as scummy, and I am trying to not do that

 

For now I'm going to 

 

Vote: Eldrick

 

 

My opinion hasn't changed.

 

Moronic to clear someone for 1 post but this seems very town Hallia and if the goal ends up lynching an inactive today I'd rather it not be her. 

[Eldrick4221]

 

Errors in judgement is kinda my forte'

 

:(

That's pretty apparent. You started your explanation for voting me with "I discussed it with liz".

Horrible reason to be sussing Lizclov D1

Moving from top scum read to lesser read.

TMI about scum team numbers.

I assume you're referring to this, where I said you sussed her/them.

 

I also linked the suss itself because it was that bad and is worth the link.

[Tiinker]

I'm caught up.

 

Jetscode- Doing a mixture of his scum play and town play. Tend to think in parts do to not reading the thread in its entirety. But null to modest scum read for now.

 

Lizclov- saw nothing to make me change my mind. Actually found Liz list of people she is not sure of being basically her accusers is enough to drop my vote.

 

Eldrick- still think he is fence sitting trying to appear like the concerned townie. Yet his energy is good and he is contributing. But still null mild scummy.

 

Cass. Just showed up. No read yet.

 

Wifi- played with her before. Tends to get herself in trouble early as town. One game of reference but it stands out. Had a bad post that needs to be addressed at some point. Not today in my opinion.

 

Halia- showed up and not an expert on her though we have played a lot together. This is more than likely town Halia.

 

Dice- holding his ground and not terribly concerned what people think about it. It's townie play.

 

Go to do a few things and will be back.

 

[v]cloviz[/v]

 

Cool, we actually agree on a lot of things. I always knew I liked you Crush. It's because I like bacon. You're basically the same. Crunchy out the outside, juicy on the inside.

[Eldrick4221]

Actually, why would you do that if town? You wouldn't knew her alignment, so no way she has that much weight.

Occam's razor. The fact that liz's one post drew so much attention probably means it's from town. Scum isn't usually that sloppy. If they flip scum, I'll reconsider a lot of stuff, but I don't think it's happening.

 

That and they have made a lot of sense this game, once the pressure was off of them.