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Skipp

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  1. He was also changing things with the thought of future seasons in mind and how much they were going to have to condense.
  2. Is that a bad thing? That some people enjoy the show more than the books or were introduced to the show who had never read the books? I appreciate all the people who got introduced purely through the TV show. Many of those people also hopped into the books. Not all of them enjoyed them but more people attempting to read the series is better in my opinion.
  3. Oh wow. I don't know whether to feel glad to see discussion popping up here or if I should be disappointed seeing the same old argument we have been having since the cast was first announced. I love this series. I read it annually for nearly 20 years before I stopped reading in general. I love the TV series. It got me to actively engage in an online community for the first time ever(the horror). Everyone agrees that Wheel of Time can not be adapted word for word, page for page to the screen. There are pages and pages of opinions of what people would focus on, what they would cut. More commonly I hear people would cut the or significantly shorten the Faile kidnapping and Elayne succession plots. With Perrin being my favourite character in the series and both Faile and Elayne are top 5 consideration I don't agree with those opinions. BUT those people's interpretations and adaptation choices are valid if they ever got the chance to put the show to screen. Rafe's version is no less valid because of "forced ideology" as if one's ideology doesn't influence their own interpretations and potential adaptations. His life experiences gave him a different view of the series than many, he got to focus on those as those are what seemed important to him. My second favourite book series is The Expanse and people love to compare its TV series to WoT's. But even the Expanse made massive changes similar in scope to WoT. They introduce Avasarala and her supporting cast in season 1 and give her a significant plot line despite not showing up until book 2. They introduce extended drama among the main crew several times for TV reasons I imagine. They change the way the protomolecule spreads in book 1. The standout TV character Drummer is an amalgamation of at least 3 book characters and Drummer herself is a minor character AT BEST in the books. Captain Klaes Ashford is unrecognizable to his book counterpart and to the benefit of the show. But maybe this is all easier to stomach because the book writers were the guiding hand for the show. Or possibly people here and on WoT reddit are less invested in those books so they don't notice as much. Well I am rambling now so I will end with. Just be good to other people. We all seem to love the books but we also all love the books in different ways.
  4. This is why the series is often describe as awesome to read but MORE awesome to re-read.
  5. Absolute shame to see the show end so early. It has been an amazing few years getting back into the fandom. Coming to these forums, reddit, youtube just to theorize and examine every detail we could come across. Geeking out with the fandom was just the best. This show gave me an incredible amount of excitement in the lead up to each season. The show was just such a joy to watch and experience. It was neat getting to "re-experience" the books I love so much in a different medium. I don't imagine I will be around much but I had so much fun experiencing the show with many of you.
  6. And since Perrin's arc is so loaded in tSR and then goes no where until the Shaido Kidnapping arc I can see why the showrunners would want to split it up a bit. Perrin's time in season 3 already felt rushed. Can you imagine how it would have felt if they tried to add Slayer and the Wolfdream? I will happily take that as his potential season 4 or 5 arc if need be.
  7. It has been a few years since I have reread the series but Perrin and Hopper don't have much of a connection in the books before Hopper is killed either. If I recall Perrin and Egwene run into Elyas, travel with him and the wolves for a couple of weeks before the Whitecloak encounter. I don't think Perrin and Hopper actually had any time alone. The show has a similar timetable for them being together. The biggest difference I can think of is that the show has Hopper join Perrin after his disagreement with Elyas.
  8. The entire "nation emergency" because films are being produced outside of the US is baffling. As Sabio mentioned above no one is entirely sure how it could be imposed or what films/shows would be impacted. The original message only mentioned films "produced" outside the US. Does that mean only entirely foreign made films? Then that shouldn't affect WoT as it is an Amazon production. But I have a feeling that isn't what was implied.
  9. Does he know who she is? He knows she is a forsaken, yes but all she has done from his PoV is help him. This is especially noticeable after he calls her out in episode 5 or 6 in season 2. In their next visit she comes back to him all demure, apologetic and almost submissive. After this point whenever Rand asks for help she does. He often does not always gets to see what she does to help him only the results and god knows if Moiraine actually tells him. She takes him to see Egwene, she creates the situation to free him in Carhien, she helps take him to Falme and puts in in a position to help Egwene and kill Ishy. Of course all of these events Lanfear uses to manipulate him for her own desires. Rand logically knows Lanfear is evil but Rand also still sees the Innkeeper and eventually Mierin. He wants to believe the good person is there and that her Evil is caused be the Dark One. It is only later he realizes that Mierin was never a good person, possibly from Lews bleeding through.
  10. And attempted to do at the beginning of tGH
  11. Sorry for the mistake there. I was meaning to say that he should have been communicating about what was going on with Lanfear. I suppose he did tell Moiraine that she had been visiting his dreams.
  12. I am excusing Rand for his lack of communication. Him not talking about Lanfear, even if it was to protect Egwene from Lanfear, needs to be talked about. Edit! "I am NOT excusing Rand"
  13. Excellent Post. This also plays into Rand's arguement during their breakup in episode 6. Rand says that Egwene and he have not had a moment alone since Rhuidean, he also brings up that Egwene always drops him when she finds something more interesting. While there is a lot to break down in that statement(Egwene trying to survive lanfear attacks etc..) we will focus on one thing. It seems to be implied that Egwene has not asked about Rand's trip into Rhuidean and how he is dealing with it. I don't say this to knock Egwene, she is one of my favourite book characters but it goes to show differences between her and Rand. Rand is more empathetic wanting to know how Egwene is feeling about her recent events(Women's Circle ceremony, Seanchan Trauma etc...). Egwene is more insular and wants to deal with everything herself. Egwene tends to confide more in mentors than partners. Her relationship is Gawyn is similar. Ultimately, yes, they just do not communicate with each other at all.
  14. While I don't think Rand is entirely blameless in his interactions with Lanfear I also don't think he is outright cheating on Egwene. Rand is clearly being groomed and manipulated by Lanfear and we cannot discount that. He has no choice in her visiting him and she is clearly more in power in the dream that him. There is also the fact that while Egwene and Rand got back together out of habit Rand clearly says they have not talked about it. Rand and Egwene's romantic interactions in season 3 are often very awkward, especially the kiss they share in episode 5. In episode 1 when they are discussing Egwene's Arc Adventures they are talking to each other but are filmed in a way to show that neither are really interacting with each other. Rafe said this was an idea from Josha and Maddy. So while they are technically together I think it is also safe to say neither are really committed to it and are only there for much needed support for recent trauma.
  15. It is certainly Truth that the storyline in the show is going to start to deviate much much more from the books as the show progresses. Or rather parts of the storyline, depending on what they decide to cut, what they decide to rearrange and what they decide to merge.
  16. Technically Rand cheats on Elayne in the books with Aviendha.
  17. His thousand yard stare while talking with Egwene gave me that vibe.
  18. She healed herself with the True Power, as she did in season 2. Some people have wondered why Lanfear was able to hold her own against Moiraine with the Chodan Ball. Well my memory is fuzzy but doesn't Rand mention that using the True power made him as or feel as powerful as when using the Chodan Kal? Lanfear's first attack on Moraine was to separate her from The Sakarnen and then decided to choke her out as the petty B would. But once Moraine had the Sakarnen back in hand Lanfear was on her back foot until she started using the True power.
  19. Moiraine's oath to Suian, made on the Oathrod, disolved on her death is what I presume the showrunners wanted us to take from the scene.
  20. 2 Aes Sedai were holding Logain at a time, only 3(plus Moiraine) were strong enough to keep up the shield. But yeah, it is not as if Moiraine had access to the most powerful Saidar Sa'angreal to help her shield Sammael. Or other channelers to link with. It also seems she has been toying with the ability to tie off shields since she learned about it.
  21. As for Perrin wanting to go home, it could easily be a mix of Homesickness, feeling lost after Falme and Ta'varen pull to be honest.
  22. Quickest way to get to the Two Rivers while also avoiding the eyes of the Shadow that had just attacked them the previous night.
  23. He was also suffering from the Longing, Perrin did mention in episode 2 that they should have gone to a stedding first." Clearly they were talking about going to a stedding in general as part of their travels.
  24. I think Maksim dying might be a solid motivator for Alanna's big book plot. Along the same subject I wonder what the plan for Lan is. Will Alanna take that role as well, it seemed to be hinted at in season 1.
  25. I believe you are correct that there were no Wolves to the rescue in tSR. While Lord Luc may not have been responsible in the show we did see the dead wolves at the Whitecloak camp.
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