OK, let's not argue about whether your tone is out of your normal range. I am obviously working on a very small subset of your games. But this does not explain why you have squirreled on me and responded with such frustration and desperation when I pointed out that there seemed to be a slimy connection between you and Turin. It doesn't explain why you went from being 90% certain you weren't voting for me to throwing an OMGUS vote at me. It doesn't explain why when explaining to DPR that you didn't hold Turin's case making against him (though obviously if you are calling the DPR/Turin spat T/T you aren't agreeing with it either) that you throw in "Heavy is constantly wrong" or why you think I'm only believable as town as a bad player. Saying things with precision and confidence is what you are accusing me of, yet seem very unconcerned about what I am saying with precision and confidence. Finally, you also seem to be completely ignoring that I have a meta as well - every game I have been hit by accusations of "inconsistent tone", of making observations that are too astute, of playing like a noob and a pro interchangeably. In the first game, Zander tried to eliminate me as he believed I was lying about it being my first game. Yet your case relies entirely on me being a noob who does not know how to play, ignoring that there are enough players in the game that know that this is not true. Or at least, it isn't the whole story. My "case" on you was minimal and sketchy, largely based on a feeling I could not shake that you and Turin were working together in an underhand way. You just seemed to keep doing this so I voted, and we get this way over the top reaction. DPR voted for you and you are calmly discussing the game with him, whereas with me you seem to have completely upset the apple cart of what your gameplan was, and you sound really really annoyed. I don't have explanation for this, and your case on me is thinner than threadbare. "Kill him, he sounds too good for a noob" hardly great reasoning to undertake an action that will almost certainly lose town the game.

Also I have been thinking about this - but why has Ed claimed when we don't know if there is a doc or a strongman or a roleblocker or anything like that and he says he has shots left? I cannot quite see the angle where it helps town to know who shot Teph. Could someone explain this to me? I really have drawn a blank.

Thanks for the explanation. It is, however, still weird. I mean, you can make your lists however you want but it seems strange that if your Town lean for me, for example, was so thin that you would not rate me as null. While I get that you can have highlighted players to look at, but it is still suspicious that you are breadcrumbing possible massive changes. Given how many people are linking you with DPR this is doubly suspicious; surely you can see how having a premade excuse to move a teammate from total sus to lock clear is kind of handy? Some people say having null reads on people is something wolves often do with teammates as they don't want to incriminate them or be associated with them, but having a strong mafia read that could at any point switch to a strong town read when convenient surely is even more suspicious - even if you are just being honest about your thoughts. But it is just WIFOM again. It makes you look suspicious, so a wolf wouldn't do that, but if town you thinks it isn't suspicious then presumably so would wolf you think it wasn't suspicious. Or you know it is suspicious so you are playing TWTBAW. Who knows? But regardless, it is sus.

Anyway definitely bed now. Past 2am. See you all in the morning.

SD still needs to explain the whole asterisk thing. That is really concerning. Though if he was a wolf it would be odd if those trying to sus him were also wolves. Could be bussing be seems a strange choice at this point. Tigs has sounded sincere, made some good points, difficult to have much depth in the read, there was that TMI moment but really I don't think it can be seen as a slip. Ed could be either, just not enough to go on. Dice I was feeling quite good about, though less so since he has arrived to pitch in with support for you, and his claim that your tone in your responses to me were your normal, calm, sitting in an armchair smiling fondly at the kids tone, and did not smack of desperation and frustration, I really don't understand. Yup, but I'm guessing that in situations where you loose your cool, you probably did not intend to. But point taken, though is that not true of all mafia? If the wolves never said anything they would be rarely found but it wouldn't be much of a game.

If you flip town, NAs notwithstanding we lose. But my suspicions would have to revert to SD and DPR most likely or the third case of wolves all slanking more or less. If you flip wolf that would intensify my cannot-put-my-finger-on-it suspicion of Turin. With a slanking third. Of course, EoD always serves up excitement so that could all change. But I cannot think of any reason for you to react the way you did to my posts... But anyway that was a fun game. But bedtime for me need to jump under the shower.

Lol, thank you dude. Really means a lot to me. I don't think this covers up your frustration and total tonal change just because I "pushed" you. I struggle really to call it even that. So, if I'm right it will be really interesting to see who follows Darthe on my train.

Not gonna lie this sounds desperate. Really tone-wise nothing like your normal posts, and the threatening at the end? Sure, you do you, boo.

So rude, lol. *fake gasp and clutches pearls*

Lol, Wut? We have to make life choices for a seed? Well seeds need to go up and down to survive, get those roots down and the the seed leaves(sure there is a technical term for that) up in the air. Not sure that is what it is talkimg about, but 4? Did the Guardian not say something about Wild? Maybe we should play safer.

I wish I had the confidence that Darthe accuses me of. About the only other thing that has really pinged me is Tigs being proud of me. Which surely means she must be pretty confident that I'm town? A good read or TMI? Nah, sorry just more WIFOM.

Love the OMGUS energy, really should get the thread bouncing. So you are doubling down on the point my "case" against you is too refined for a poor player like me to have come up with? That almost sounds like deflection. Also I will happily admit I have no idea what a chainsaw defense is. Does anyone else? Would it be reasonable to think anyone should understand it? For all I know it is a common mafia term, googling it just comes up with fairly worrying hits about chainsaws being used for home protection and self defense, which I'm pretty sure they are not meant for. Your response seems totally out of proportion.

Also the role playing comment. That is Turin's language, a comment he has made a few times. Why is it coming out of Darthe's mouth?

VOTE DARTHE

See? Again this interplay between Darthe and Turin. It feels slimey. And yet would it be any different if they were town and both were correctly sussing SD of being a wolf? But I really don't like this. Darthe is shooting down my criticism of Turin's fairly tenuous case against SD by making indirect criticism of me. If my inferences are precise and confident, shouldnt you be listening to them, even if you don't agree with them? You have me at a town read, but that will erode if I say anything with precision and confidence? Well, points win prizes, votes win games, time to toss the dice and see the results.

Why cannot both your suspicions be wrong? And as I said, you claiming Darthe cannot believe you both doesn't make sense, it is because he doesn't believe either of you that he would put it down as T/T. Something you seem to be ignoring. I don't know. I do get the sneaking feeling that most moves itt have been town and the wolves have been largely slanking watching us flail about unsuccessfully. That said I do have bad feelings about Turin and Darthe but I really as yet cannot put my finger on why, which kind of sucks in a town loses the game next miselimination situation. Not something you want to bet the house on.

Gah. Why are you agreeing with my gut reads, pirate? But could you clarify, T/T violence is where you are both wrong. Why would Darthe need to agree with you both? He is saying your arguments against each other are wrong, not right. Though I don't trust him, and I don't think it is due to anything I can explain. FML.

Drudgery

I'd say that is still implied, and would wolves so obviously defend each other? SD starts a long post with that, why not stick it somewhere in the middle? Why not deliberately make it the same wording as regards me? I mean I'm not saying it is impossible but it seems tenuous. Though there doesn't seem to be a lot to go on at the moment

On this point, I agree. It is very strange. Claiming to be town is entirely NAI and how that could ever be used in an argument someone is either town or mafia left me totally baffled. But I don't really see the point of trying to discredit it, either you say you are clearly town or not, I don't see how this would muddy the water for anyone. But it is definitely noteworthy.

In that quote SD also defends me and also brings up DPR asking for info but not giving any. Hard to see this as any more than WIFOM instead of a connection.

Vanish

Leave the oldest one for last and just get on with the trial now? Can talk more if anyone wants to.

I'm just rereading as I don't think I have a solid lead at all at this point. Maybe lookin again with the flip info will help but so far it is only showing me that most of sus feeling was for people now lock clear and dead. Anyway, this post made no sense to me at the time but the penny dropped finally. The "plus" icon is for multi quoting, so you keep plussing til you are ready to reply. If you just want to quote a post you tap on the word "quote". Which does so immediately. Anyway back to page 11. I may give up before I reach the end, lol.

Rude 🙂