No, no I won't. Anything else I can help you with today?

Just to qualify - the different section are probably quite fluid. Have a lot of suspicion regarding everyone, difficult to accurately quantify it. But I have tried.

Well I said I would do a list but I have been at work and other things like that that are completely out of character for me. Cracked open a beer so I'll probably sign off after so I don't inflict a drunk hairy Scotsman on you, DL is too late for me anyway, and I don't think anything will happen to convince me to change my vote. One incredibly depressing point is that should I be wrong on DPR I may as well throw the rest of the list in the bin as I'm so convinced on his alignment every other player has been judged on how they interact with him or seem to collude in achieving goals or have weird possible distancing exchanges. Tentative Town: Nynaeve - seems to be making the most sense, when she can stop with the sarcky one liners. Don't feel a great urgency about solving or hunting, more observing, prodding and commenting. Key - started strong, but tailed off. Some of her reasoning has seemed a bit lame. Unfortunately RL seems to have swallowed her while most of the drama has been going on. Did not approve of her on Marsh's train. Verbal - Seems to be making sense, agree mostly with him about DPR, in his arguments with players like Turin he seems to be have at worst a reasonable position. Nothing has pinged me about his play. Null: Ed - Flashes of insight, seems to make sense when posting. Humourous, confrontational style seems slightly counter productive given apparently RL-enforced low activity. Missing voting completely is never a good look regardless of your ability to be online at DL. Turin - Did not like him buttering me up on D1, especially not then him using Verb not going after me as a reason to case Verb. But in general makes sense, though I don't like his lists, they sketch me out as if they are just accurate enough not to be suspicious, but wrong enough to through a spanner in the works, and everytime it seems either swinging to town or mafia for me he seems to walk back the arguments to leave himself more neutral. Almost feels like precision bombing - hitting very specific targets and then backing off. But even for me I recognise that is reaching a bit. Would not go on a date with on a night with a full moon: Rand - WIM. But seems like too much going on about the same WIFOM. Perhaps just cannot stop responding - can relate. But feels frantic, distractionary (that is tots a word) and while I have a hard time thinking he is working with DPR I cannot avoid the violence even if it is coming from a Town pov. Zandlo - Lenlo went for low hanging fruit and not much else qualify if for poor reasons or town reasons. Zander has been pretty null, but enough of his comments have rubbed me the wrong way - like he is deliberately misunderstanding or oversimplifying to state wolf-friendly propaganda. Not active enough to have a real read, though I did not like that Lenlo's vote on me could have been an opening for a train on someone with wolf equity at DL if everything went wrong for our furry friends. Would shoot with silver bullets: Ithi - Decided on a target in the opening exchanges of D1 and then pretty much ignored the rest of the day. Has backed DPR repeatedly. Has often shut down discussion by asserting she will play her own way as if that is not a nothing burger response to anything regarding content. Accused my post about nothing of being a carefully crafted post about nothing so therefore AI. My flabber is still gasted. Tigraine - Makes far too many pro-DPR arguments for my liking. Reasoning that a player saving the unCCd cop is scummy stands out in a way that I don't think can be washed away. But deliberate? Also did not like the DPR vote immediately after what felt like a change in DPR's tone. Tinfoil moment but felt like DPR had accepted his wolf equity was past the point of no return and therefore Tig jumped on the bus. Think I'm mixing metaphors there. Dice - Feels like Town. Sounds like Town. But... immediately accuses players of saving him of being wolves. Claims with only 2 minutes to go. Thinks saying in the last hour "you should not be voting for me" should have been significant rather than laughed at. Massively downplays the advantages to the wolves to false claim, which as far as I can see far outweigh the benefits to the real cop on D1 claiming. That could be my inexperience, but "only buys me a day or so" seems such an understatement to be an outright lie. Seemed to work with DPR at EoD and Night, but then was distanced by DPR with his Dice is definitely scum (though actually it was Rand and Heavy that said that, not the innocent pirate). Totally sketched out by this slot. No idea really. I guess at least I don't need to make a decision until more flips happen, thank the Light. As above but repeatedly. Reload and shoot again. Use a wooden stake and bedeck in garlic. DPR - Anti-town, deflections, lies, kill it, kill it with fire. Have gone in depth about my suspicions elsewhere. If I'm wrong, I dunno, this presumably is not a game I'm any good at then. I'd apologise for the WoT but then I would lying. Suck it up peeps.

Duck

Street

Don't worry, there are only 61 pages...

Why in the name of the wee man did I even ask? Thanks but that didn't help my headache or resolve anything either lol. Can we not just boil it all down to he might be, he might not be?

How? Me? I admit during the night when it seemed to be a Verb and Rand showdown with Dice and DPR about how the two players that saved Dice were somehow scummy for it, it seemed very likely that Dice and DPR were wolves and it was a false claim. But since Dice has been much more Townie and DPR came out with Dice is obviously mafia while still arguing with Rand while actually agreeing with him on Dice. Which has left me scratching my head with all the WIFOM. So much I don't like about Dice's claim but I suppose that is always going to go with this territory - a claim that cannot be sensibly CCd immediately. Complete mindf**k, and a completely new situation for me.

Inspector

Absolutely you can vote who want you want for, I did not mean to imply otherwise at all. Just a bit frstrating to see you start a new one on someone I have townish when there is already one on someone I have wolfish. Just checking we couldn't get your desire for a competing train (as you did have Tig 3p-lean) to better mesh with my reads and having actually a competing train as opposed to a whole bunch of single votes. I do think Rand's instance on the spotlight and his fixation on Dice (or at least the rehashing of the same WIFOM over and over again) is sus, but I feel it is more town tunneling than misdirection.

Kid

Squeals Did Nyra just speak? Did we know she could? Happy dance I'm down for trusting her personally. I didn't hear anything, lol

@Turin Turambar There already is a competing train on Tig. Why are you starting a new one? Isn't that a little unhelpful at this point?

Like concentrating on players that misrep other unto death? My case is hardly solely based tone, it is based on how seamlessly your tone dovetails with your actions. As I say, I'm as convinced as I think I'll ever be. Which doesn't mean all it takes is one post to make me rethink everything - but that uncertainty just throws even more into focus your certainty that you know which players are making sense, which are being Wolfy, that you know exactly what went down at night, etc. It is all part of the feeling I'm getting from you.

It is my keyboard predicting the next word. Does yours not do that?

Personally I would say at this point Ithi should be the second train. Rand comes over as an overstimulated townie to me. An easy target for a miselimination. But as I'm just getting more and more convinced VOTE DPR My phone always eager to offer suggestions, lol. It must have been reading along, hehe.

I'm not sure who it was, but someone once told me I should not let others dictate to me how to play. DPR's tone and actions are mafia through and through. Maybe I'm wrong, true. But I got to trust myself or what is the point of playing, to let you have two votes?

Sorry missed a pronoun twice there that might have made that tricky to understand.

Sweet jebus, batman. If you get away with this hats off to you. You are literally quoting where I quoted Darthe explaining. And quoting Darthe where he said he had already explained (which I had quoted). What a wolfy liar. While quoting the posts that prove you are lying but hoping your force of personality covers that up, just like you did with Marsh. I commend you on the size of your cojones, señor. If people fall for this, just lol. Yet another smoking gun in DPR's hand. Will anyone notice this time?

DPR claimed he said something he didn't. And while I got the same impression first time I read Marsh's post, when you read it carefully it was clear what it said, and it was not what DPR was claiming it said even while quoting it and discussing it with Marsh. Marsh did not make a slip, DPR just felt he could get away with pretending he did and he seems to be right. And I think I have called attention to role in this several times actually. And I'm currently trying to unravel what it is that have going on with DPR, so not quite sure why you feel you got away with it.

Ow, that misrep hurts, Ithi. You asked what was my opinion of DPR. I answered. The reasons for my opinion are: He is full of anti-town rhetoric. You guys suck so bad. I've never seen so much dumbass. You know who else had that? Wolf!Lenlo. Exactly the same tone. Exactly. Can taste it at the back of my throat. Especially D1, he was dismissive of everyone, not just wolf reads. One word disparaging replies, Omg, lol,etc. Jokey memes in reply to people trying to solve. He misrepped Marsh and pushed for his elimination despite being called up on his "mistake". All the vitriol with Verb and Rand and Ed - does not feel even close to town for me. But yup, he is just a wolfy wolf. I got nothing more than that.

Marsh said, in an effort to be nice [to me as a new player], I made Ithi and Turin think I was defending Heavy. He did not say he was pretending. He did not say he set a trap. That was everyone else. He said he was being nice which was misunderstood. But by taking the second clause out of context, people thought he had set a trap. Me too. But when you actually read it closely, that isn't what he said, there wasn't a slip, it was just clumsy. Yet DPR quoted what he said, brushed off his explanation, brushed off my interjection (which contained my vote so I doubt he did not see it), and claimed it said something it clearly did not, no matter how easy it was to misread. From his reasoning, Marsh pretty much had to be Town, in my eyes, but DPR eliminated him anyway, with some help.

I think he is the definition of a wolf. His actions are as clear as definite mafia as I think I'll ever get. Have been from D1. What is bugging me is I cannot tie his actions into the bigger picture. I only voted for DPR D1, so far I doubt I'll vote for someone else. But not having an inkling of that bigger picture leaves me with doubts.

Totally agree,lol

Ithi and DPR were one and two on Marsh. I'm no Wagonomics expert but when Shad solved the Citrus Bandits game from reading the D1 VC, two wolves were one and two on the train of the miselimination. Ithi is giving DPR town cred here with as far as I can see zero reasoning. A softly softly approach to maybe the whole cop claim thing is tricky but I'm not WIFOMing. So essentially, a carefully crafted post that says nothing but gives DPR (and Nyn) town cred, I guess to not go over the top. Could someone, I mean anyone, please act like they were town? Even if you were only pretending it would make such a change. I h8 this game. Ithi, can I ask you why you think DPR is town positive despite misrepping Marsh and jumping on his "slip" that was not a slip, it was just a bit clumsy? Should players be allowed to get away with misrepping what a town player says and then eliminating them on the basis of that misrep? Curious to hear your thoughts.