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57 minutes ago, Ithillian Turambar said:
yup please edit the 'oh poot!' equivalent
Guys be careful with your words!
You don't know how bad everyone I see this I wanna post the George Carlin 7 Words skit lololololol
- Andy MacLeod and Gudrean
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Just now, Zander? said:
No Woe is me stuff homie. I want to see Turin dangling from the noose today. I'm pretty sure iirc correctly you only have 1 or 2 votes on you. I want to vote Turin because I need a result from between you both and even tho I find you quite sus in your own right Cairos actually may have been the one to absolve or condemn you. But again lots of time left not like your one vote from being hammered. Keep at it if your a Villager and fight to the death to protect this Village from Turin and his pack o Wolves....if you're a Wolf please give up and die.....lololololol
FTFM
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45 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:
So.
Zen Heavy has entered the building. Frustration is a feeling I choose not feel as I listen to the falling cherry blossoms.
I am terribly frustrated. But I'm letting that go. It is just this is what I am good at. I have terrible social phobias but at my heart I'm a people person. I make people laugh. I'm good with words. I can spin a tale. But here I am in a life or death struggle with Turin and for all my reasoning the best anyone comes up with about Turin's guilt is "well he is really convincing, but perhaps too convincing". That is how much sway I have over your collective opinions.
And who am I to criticise? I don't even know if Turin is a wolf. All I know is he is trying to kill me and if he succeeds the wolves are one step away from victory. Maybe I would be as convinced as you guys are. Maybe he is convincing because he is town and the wolves are laughing at us.
But just look at what he is saying. All the things he calls known wolf tactics he is doing. Bussing a wolf. Having big fights in chat to throw off discussions.
But I kind of get the point that it is too late for me, I'm not making any impression. There isn't really anything else for me to say that I haven't already said so I'll probably preserve my mental health and leave it at that. I don't want start spraying naughty words about the place or insults when I don't mean them. So looking forward to a relaxing rest of the day.
No Woe is me stuff homie. I want to see dangling from the noose today. I'm pretty sure iirc correctly you only have 1 or 2 votes on you. I want to vote Turin because I need a result from between you both and even tho I find you quite sus in your own right Cairos actually may have been the one to absolve or condemn you. But again lots of time left not like your one vote from being hammered. Keep at it if your a Villager and fight to the death to protect this Village from Turin and his pack o Wolves....if you're a Wolf please give up and die.....lololololol
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15 hours ago, Zander? said:
Omg one name people I can't believe how complicated this is seeming to be for everyone
ONE, 1, single, Singular, Une, Uno, solo I don't know how many other terms I can use to say give JUST ONE NAME FOR EACH
One person definitely willing to lunch today
One person not defiantly willing to lunch today
Do this I've explained numerous times why but again it's cover for the Town Cop. If they end up getting killed tonight or at some point without revealing their peaks at least here we can reference that information to the best of our abilities.
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5 hours ago, Andy MacLeod said:
OK, finally caught up... Next time new players join, please disclose the time commitment ahead of time 🙏 This is a MUCH more involved game than I had expected and RL just doesn't give me the time to participate as much as you guys. It is also a huge amount of information, and experienced players use jargon that has led me to skip posts I didn't understand.
My thoughts: Zander, Turin, and Heavy are posting a lot. Dice, Sooh, Gudrean, are posting less. Donchadh posted less due to RL, so I'm hesitant to read much "game" into that.
Dice, the other experienced player, is being more quiet on Day 2. Which leads me to think that if Dice is a mastermind, he is pulling the strings from wolf chat and letting the other wolf direct the narrative... My suspicion mainly comes from him being an experienced player who is not sharing more substantive thoughts, which I would expect him to do if he's Town.
If that's true, then I expect Zander, Turin, or Heavy is a wolf.
Zander:
- The comments of "there's a smart experienced Wolf" could be wolf chat joke by throwing compliments at his teammate.
- Also, didn't Zander say something about a friend asking to be NK because of RL issues, and then Millon got NK after mentioning RL issues?
- This last idea got revived just now, when Zander seemed to want to dissuade new players to look into Millon's death. Is that because it points to him as a wolf?
Turin:
- I get really mixed vibes, so I have mixed thoughts. On the one hand, most of his posts do sound logical and reasonable...
- On the other hand, he is a good player, so he could get me to believe something that sounds reasonable even if you are a wolf... and my initial thought was that his role was to spin the "reasonable" narrative while Zander was creating confusion by post avalanche...
Heavy:
- LOTS of back and forth with Zander. I could see it as a coordinated strategy. The two of them make so much waves, you can't see clear through the water anymore.
- But he sounds truly upset and I could see that go both ways: a wrongfully accused newbie Town would probably feel that way, but if it is a coordinated strategy, he needs to make it credible and acting hurt would make sense in that scenario.
- Experienced players point to inconsistency in Heavy's "newbie" status. I don't have enough experience to judge what sounds "advanced" player language. Someone pointed Heavy's use of the "low hanging fruit" expression as "advanced" but I have heard it used in everyday language as well so a newbie could have used it in this lay-person way...
Gudrean:
- This is where the newbie persona is pushed maybe a bit too far? I'm thinking of the repeated question about the number of mafia players or the posts on Millon being the cop, when both answers were readily available...
- BUT it is a ton of info. I feel overwhelmed as a newbie, so it could also be totally legit.
Sooh:
- Someone called "auntie vibes" and I was getting that at the beginning.
- But now, I find a lot of her posts don't really show her thinking... There are a bunch of questions thrown at others, a bunch of one-liners... I don't really know what she thinks.
- She also said she was busy in RL, so maybe that's what it is.
- Do we know how experienced Sooh is?
A few relevant posts:
That might be worth exploring: who pushed Millon yesterday?
See above.
And here Dice is clearing his teammate in response to Turin WvW theater comment... but which one?
Can we check if this has happened in this game??
Is this really from experience, or from insider knowledge as a wolf??
Insider wolf knowledge? You would be sure because you know your teammates...
I did somewhere above.
UHHHH...
Why is Zander SUPER insistent about that?
Sorry for the WoText
Don't you EVER EVER EVER WoT at me again!!!!!!
SpoilerLololololol
There do much stuff just scrolling back down to type I forgot whatever that's addressed to me or about me. So im just gonna say ask me anything from here directly 1 or 2 questions at a time because these giant posts can't ever be responder to properly and without usually messing up formatting and people lose the information which is Wolfy easy to try and hide in.
But I think theres a few where you were like is it experience or Wolfy something.. I've played well over 100 games so yes it's from experience, then you have to figure out is that alignment indictive? Maybe maybe not. When you've played a lot players tend to try and mimic their Villager games when they're Wolves so they look normal. It's pretty standard. So most of the time generalities from experience related posts from an exp player you can almost say is not alignment indicative if you can't figure out /decide for yourself fwiw just my take...from experience....lololololol
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1 minute ago, Zander? said:
Honestly not a lot it'll take a few games together for me to develop a feel for ya especially since there's multiple new players, I haven't played with most of the crew here in years nor played myself in almost as long lol.
I get the feel your kind, dislike conflict and will avoid if possible but won't back down if it's necessary or important to you. You like comfort, order, getting along as opposed to chaos and craziness that Mafia games can devolve too once in awhile. I think you will be more a guy/meta player then an analytics type. Just vibes I could b way off tho lol. You come across as sweet and wholesome tho something tells me there's a bit of a wild/free spirit there just beneath the surface
Gut/Meta not guy/meta lol
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Just now, Zander? said:
Honestly not a lot it'll take a few games together for me to develop a feel for ya especially since there's multiple new players, I haven't played with most of the crew here in years nor played myself in almost as long lol.
I get the feel your kind, dislike conflict and will avoid if possible but won't back down if it's necessary or important to you. You like comfort, order, getting along as opposed to chaos and craziness that Mafia games can devolve too once in awhile. I think you will be more a guy/meta player then an analytics type. Just vibes I could b way off tho lol. You come across as sweet and wholesome tho something tells me there's a bit of a wild/free spirit there just beneath the surface
#firstgameattemtedsoulread
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39 minutes ago, Gudrean said:
ok @Zander? I have a quest for you. Taking what I have posted in this game only, what can you tell everyone about who I am (I will tell in all honesty how close you get to the real me) or what kind of player I am.
I'm truly interested and not just being snarky I promise.
Honestly not a lot it'll take a few games together for me to develop a feel for ya especially since there's multiple new players, I haven't played with most of the crew here in years nor played myself in almost as long lol.
I get the feel your kind, dislike conflict and will avoid if possible but won't back down if it's necessary or important to you. You like comfort, order, getting along as opposed to chaos and craziness that Mafia games can devolve too once in awhile. I think you will be more a guy/meta player then an analytics type. Just vibes I could b way off tho lol. You come across as sweet and wholesome tho something tells me there's a bit of a wild/free spirit there just beneath the surface
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20 minutes ago, Donchadh said:
This is a really good question...and honestly...I'm a bit stumped so I guess "I don't really know(?)" is the best answer I can come up with. But that isn't fair, so I will try. As I try to think through this, I have perhaps, maybe? two observations (but I have never played before...so they probably don't make any sense.).
1) I wouldn't expect a Townie to make accusations or push for "naming wolves" without supporting analysis because if they were a Townie they would have no idea who the other Townies were and might run the risk of killing one of their own. So I guess, Townies would accuse less or decide on wolves less??2) I would also expect a Townie to be more reluctant to theorize(?), as again, they are operating with less information.
However, these 2 expectation are speculative because I really have no experience or knowledge to base them on. And mostly just reflective of my own personality. (Hopefully, one of the more experienced players can comment on these expectations.).
But I have been very quiet, (thanks to RL), so I thought I'd try to at least answer the question. If nothing else, it helps me try to understand how to play this game...which I am still struggling with.Focus less on the principals or semantics of the game and gameplay and just try to read players. I don't wanna disagree with your take but maybe try approaching like this. Does this person genuinely seem to being trying to solve the game and does their reasoning seem organic or manufactured in or forced. I get it's a lot at first but it'll start to come with a few games under your belt.
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1 hour ago, Gudrean said:
You should leave me off this list as i think my posts are more than the other 3 combined???
Perhaps but as new player people don't know what you'll soon start automatically developing, meta aka your habits , gameplay tendencies etc for each alignment as you Rand them. A fair bit of players use either a bit or a lot of Meta In their reads. So yes you may be posting more than them but like look at me, I'm not saying post like me lololol I im saying not all posts are gameplay related and are what are referred to as fluff or spam and as a new player everyone can't use Meta so we need lots of content to try and see if we feel your approach and interactions and reads are more likely coming from a Town!You perspective or a Wolf!You perspective.
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1 hour ago, dicetosser1 said:
Zanders backed off on heavy. Its more frustration with trying to understand him atp i think
its ok he has a multizone dvd player
Dude after 40 years your FAMILY doesnt understand you! How can she be expected to? 😄
THIS!!!!!! THIS is why Zander and I are having problems with you. Your sposed to be a noob but you keep throwing around terms we see in mafia all the time!
interesting wording.
Snark from the newbie and aimed at zander...
LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!1
ok same question for you and @Gudrean Taking out players names and things theyve said, what would you expect a townie to do/say/act like?
I think the Mills kill is either trying to sow WIFOM and get som suspicion on people who were or were willing to vote him, the mafia cop hunting, or a case of kill the quiet ones for lack of info. Its kinda useless for town to use to draw inferences from tbh
you havent seen Zander without a shirt on yet....
Wolves will defend themselves as much as townies do. It depends on the player
never gonna hear the end of the red now are we???
Alright you Silverchair loving ....MAROON...*runs*.
#everyonehastobenicetothezander!!!
#zanderisdeadsexy!!!!!!!
#ZanderismanlyCanadianWrasslinLumberjackmanwithamajesticbeard!!!!
Ok you see if too with Heavy right?!??!! It's not just me...it's like one post seems like exp player and other asking the Nirmala new player questions. In trying to not focus on it but can't seem to let it go....FML lol
Honestly, maybe Dice will agree or maybe not but, as new players I don't think focusing too much on the NK is a great idea. I'm not saying don't at all and ask some questions for sure if you're curious but first few games should be getting the hang of the game, how it works, how it's played, Mafia terms, asking questions, learning to find both Townies and Wolves. Each game played you'll learn a little more, understand a little more, feel a little more comfortable playing and interacting. Just my 2 cents worth anyways.
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2 hours ago, Gudrean said:
Not sure a wolf would defend themselves as such so for now i'm
UNVOTE
Lol sweet summer child....you know nothing of real fear...of the long winters...sorry went on a Game of Thrones tangent for a sec lolololol. You've never seen me as Minority Villa will 99% of the time fight to the death to try and change the vote and perceptions lololololol
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2 hours ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:
Look at what has happened today - nothing has been done by anyone to build on the killing Mills to make Heavy look better. But killing Mills to clear the way for the attack on Heavy through Zander is 95% of the posting in D2. Which is more likely? Or are there any other ideas? Is every other player really going to just agree with Turin and move on? No discussion? No other possibilities? Why have you given Turin this much control of the narrative?
What are you even talking about. I've noticed a real defensiveness in some of your posts especially more recently and that is more often than not, tho no always, a Wolf ploy. It can be TOWNIE Frustration but still something I've been noting.
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8 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:
I bet I look better in incredibly small underpants though. In my mind at least, lol.
I'm off to bed, and a closing thought. Do we think that the wolves are passive, doing nothing, hoping to go undiscovered, or do we think they have a game plan? Who was involved in Cairos being lynched? I based my first suspicions on who was casting shade on Turin. But don't worry, Turin helpfully told us he likes to go for a clean sweep, so he cannot be a wolf. He said so himself. Who is pushing a narrative on D2? I'm just defending myself and trying to work out why the wolves have done what they have done.
But it is clear, if we think that the wolves have a game plan there is only one person that is implementing that game plan. Who is the only person that has had the opportunity to manipulate the narrative? It isn't just about who said what, but the bigger picture of what is happening. Please think about it. And think about why Mills was NKd.
And with that, I bid you all a fair night.
There's a decent enough chance one or both Wolves in the low posters pile of Andy, Gud, Don and Sooh tho I think it's one at most. Which sucks and is super Wolfy cowardly lololololol. Like Turin you and I seem to be the biggest focal point like almost to the point that unless there's a red peak on a different player I need one of you 2 solved today to either continue or reevaluate. And Turin is more Wolfy based both on gameplay and maybe something silly but Cairo's play/posts actions as well
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2 hours ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:
Gaah - just lost a long post as my internet hiccuped, I pressed submit and DM took me to a you are not connected to the internet page and ate the post.
Thank you for the hug, @Gudrean, my apologies if I seemed unappreciative.
Head is so full I don't even know what I said. It was however, heart moving and almost impossibly eloquent. Please just accept the gist of it: I'm town, lol 😎
I think I said Andy is plausible as Town. Wouldn't go further than that, but don't have much else to go on. Her comment just seems like a mistake, I don't think much can be read into it because of that, but perhaps she can clear up what she meant by it.
I feel like a voice in the wilderness and no one is listening, or at least, not being convinced. Mislynching me is a big step towards the wolves winning and I don't see that there are many good arguments being made against me but if Zander changes his vote I'm as good as pushing up daisies in the town cemetery and not a single person seems in the slightest bothered by that. Why is no one even entertaining my reasoning at all? Because I don't have the I'm an old player hat? Why has Turin spent so much time and effort to implicate Zander but is voting me? Why are so many people saying well I'm suspicious of Heavy and x so that everyone can coalesce on me? Only two of you are wolves. I guess I just done lost the argument, but I cannot help feel that this was due to the volume of my opponents rather than the skill of their arguments.
Please try to think of why Mills was killed. To give me town cred is a terribly bad reason. That would be totally a double edged sword. it would just as likely be a ploy by the wolves - heck more likely, we are talking about the choices of the wolves and the actions of a known wolf. How on earth would I ever think that would give me town cred? It doesn't make sense. Please think about it rather than just listening to Turin. It is bad logic.
If you lynch me, I will flip town and then you will have to think about what that means about Turin. You might as well start now, might save some time on D3. Are his arguments really that convincing? How will you react when he says "oopsie!"?
I've explained multiple times why even tho I do find you suss I find Turin moreso ATM and like I've also says multiple times I'm not convinced you guys are W/W so I'm either super duper wrong and you both are town. In right on one but wrong on the other or you guys are bussing the bussing busses out of each other. I'm going with likely wrong on one and I think Turin more likely than you atp.
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1 hour ago, Turin Turambar said:
I don't think I ever implied anyone was dim. Except maybe Zander, lol. If it came across that way, I apologise.
I have to go to work now, so people have some space from my volume.
Good night for now.
TBf I am dim lolololol
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1 hour ago, Gudrean said:
This could be extremely interesting!
It wouldn't be very fun....for them..... lololololol
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1 hour ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:
Also Turin, it is pretty insulting that your theory is not just that I am wolf - but a rather dim one. Mills is an unexpected victim, so surely in trying figure out why people would look at the last action of a known mafia. I just don't buy it. Mills was a likely lynch target and I cannot get away from the fact that this is why he was NKd and the only person making use of this is Turin, especially with all the efforts of Turin to derail the whole D2 into a Zander-Heavy-Turin mudwrestling match where you are only allowed to wear really small underpants.
Re: Gudrean, no I'm not taking it personally, especially not from whoever turns out to be wolves - that is the point of the game after all. I'm getting frustrated that the narrative is being completely controlled by Turin and Zander. People doing catch ups seem to be spending all their time reacting to them and discussing the agenda that they have set and not things like why was Mills killed. or ideas that come from the other players. And yes, I can admit I am egotistical enough that it does smart a bit when I ask for thoughts and someone replies, yeah Turin does seem right. I guess so should just be resigned to being lynched. No one is listening to me, or at least, no one is agreeing. Either we townies are going to defeat ourselves and the silent wolves will win by default or the wolves have the narrative and no one is challenging them.
Frustrating.
Hey ....... yall better put something more on than some tighty whities if y'all wanna wrassle with the Canadian Destroyer!!!!!!
The Mills kill as I stated I truly believe was purely for WIFOM. Maybe they had 0 idea who the cop was as that's typically who the Wolves would target would be from a PR hunt. But I tend to believe there was some experience in the Mills decision along with a fair but of guts and why I'm almost convinced min of 1 Wolf in Turin Sooh Dice.
That all said obviously grain of salt as it's just my opinion on it if I was a new player again I'd not focus too much on the NK and just focus on trying to find Townies and Wolves. Both almost equally important as then you have the ability to trust a bit more at least.
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22 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:
I see you have discussing this in the wolf chat. Really? Gudrean is just going to back up Turin from now on?
It is tenuous - as it gives little direct evidence to being town and involvement with a known wolf of any kind is suspicious in and of itself and is completely a ploy or double bluff moment. It isn't going to convince anyone either way nor does it explain what the reason is that we are meant to accept that Mills was killed (not the big brain wolf chat reason). Why would I as a wolf not just kill Turin and then lynch Mills as he was everyone's second favourite lunch on D1?
It is complicated and tenuous and most damning of all, no one has argued that it gives me town cred. So it was a pretty crappy plan if it was. And why am I the only one that is pointing out how strange a target Mills was, if my wolfy plan was to subliminally convince every one I am Town? I would want everyone to just gloss over who was NKd.
Indeed who is distracting from the incident of the Mills in the Nighttime? Zander but most importantly Turin, who blows up so violently immediately on D2 that I was genuinely concerned that things had gone too far. But is Zander just unable to stop spamming back or in on the deal? Why is Gudrean suddenly backing up Turin like he is making sense?
WHY ARE YOU ALL ACTING LIKE WOLVES???
Seriously starting to consider voting for myself. No one is trying to solve, no one seems to be on the town side anymore.
I'm voting who i think is most likely a Wolf. That's the game. Villagers try and find Wolves and lunch em and Wolves try to not get lunch and kill Villagers. Everyone's a Wolf till it's mechanically proven otherwise IMHO. I'll agree tho we have room many low/little content posters tho I understand RL is a thing but it's also easy for a Wolf to hide behind as well. If your a Villager decide who you think is most likely a Wolf like who has the highest wolf likeliness % and vote them and build a case and try to convince others to join you. If you're a Wolf well....diaf lololololol
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1 minute ago, Gudrean said:
Cairos being mafia and saying this, says 1. maybe Z, Heavy, and Turin are mafia since they act innocent, but maybe just trying to have fun and clear their names. 2. was he just trying to throw us off the real mafia by throwing Turin's name here? 3. Being mafia he knew his team and wanting us to think he's calling out Turin to think he's town? feels like a lot of early WIFOM
There only 3 total Mafia and Carios was one.
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21 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:
So what is your theory Zander? As the Town leader should you not be giving us answers?
I did. Im voting Turin.
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