[Basic]What's the theme? - ad lib mafia

[Eldrick4221]

I just don't see the mindset behind a scum moving from one town train to the other at the last minute. Verb's alignment isn't a factor here. He already had too few votes when he switched. It's just dice, lenlo, and me.

 

I played out all the scenarios of the 2 of us, even the ones where I'm hypothetically scum. Him being scum doesn't make sense in any of them.

[Eldrick4221]

  On 1/26/2017 at 4:13 PM, Andrej said:

 

  On 1/26/2017 at 4:11 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

My point about dice if both trains were town (using if cuz you don't know I'm town if you're town) then why would he bother to change? What could that possibly accomplish? All it does it draw attention to him.

The stuff in the parathesis is unneeded and gives your posts a slimy feel btw. You should stop that.

 

If a townie was getting lynched regardless what does he care? He could say something as simple as "didn't want lynch to go random" which is more or less what he already alluded to when he said he thought they were tied.

 

Not saying he's scum but I don't think THAT is the reason to call him Town.

You can blame darthe for that. His jumping on my wording in the lost game has made me more careful to make sure my point is clear.

[Eldrick4221]

Except that he was scum reading me and null reading Lenlo. If going to random was a perceived concern, then why state those reads minutes before the switch?

[Verbal32]

  On 1/26/2017 at 3:00 PM, Niniel said:

 

  On 1/26/2017 at 2:18 PM, Verbal32 said:

Darthe looking better on his re-entry into the thread.  AJ not revisiting his reads yet is concerning.  MrsClov at least mentioning it is nice, though.

 

 

 

I would really like to see where Tina is on this.

 

I don´t know. Maybe I need to re-think everything. Lenlo turned up town and I had him at the bottom of my list with you. You have been almost lynched twice now but gotten away. And it´s hard to understand what that means. If you are mafia then there is only one more and all of the rest that avoids your train is town. 

 

 

Just fyi, I will be gone all day tomorrow (listening to upcoming authors, yay!) so I will probably not be here at all. 

 

 

What are you trying to say here?

 

 

 

 

  On 1/26/2017 at 3:27 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

 

  On 1/26/2017 at 2:12 PM, Verbal32 said:

Why don't people read?

 

  On 1/25/2017 at 10:58 PM, Ironeyes said:

Scum would have a more desperate will to live I think

Explain why I was so apathetic to my fate yesterday, then? Why didn't I move my vote to Lenlo? Oh, I know! Because I said he was town.

 

Your own logic completely fails you here. You can't say the above without it also meaning I'm probably not scum.

 

 

 

  On 1/25/2017 at 11:36 PM, MrsClov said:

So, is it worth noting that we could have lynched verbal twice now and we moved to Town? Blaming myself in this as well, just something to point out.

I don't like this post at all - you're lining me up for the lynch tomorrow, and we're running out of mislynches.

 

 

 

  On 1/26/2017 at 3:38 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

No. Verb is tomorrow. The wave of vote changes that followed my moving to Lenlo could not have been all town.

 

When I did so, I did not expect the huge shift. All I wanted to do was give both of my scum reads a fair chance. I still expected a verb lynch (or myself), as it was 3/3/2

Verb is town. I'm getting scared that I still have to explain this. I can accept that I was too scummy before, but holy hell how is my past day not clear to see? The case on me is awful - it is just that I was wrong on D1. That's it. I made no excuses, I just accepted it and continued to hunt for scum.

 

But I have half the damn game tunneling on me, so I'm dragging everybody along while trying to avoid getting lynched. If it isn't clear that scum are setting me up to be the final mislynch, then I'm not sure what else I can tell ya.

You have been almost lynched, but the focus has swayed away from you twice now. I believe you are scum, but even if you are somehow town I think you need to be next.

 

For exactly the reason you described. That if you are town scum would be trying to set you up for the final mislynch. That most of the game is tunneling on you and I don't forsee that changing.

 

So we need to lynch you to clear everything up revolving around you. If you are scum we can use that to find your teammate. If you are town we can stop having so much focus on you.

 

 

This is not good - we are running out of mislynches, and you're still saying "even if you are town you need to die next"?

 

wtf?

[Eldrick4221]

It's not my only reason. It's just the one on the forefront of my mind as it's recent and a good one imo

[Eldrick4221]

I thought I made my reason for saying that clear. You alluded to it as well. A lot of people are tunneling on you. Have been for a while. I don't want to be wrong about you when it will cost us the game.

[Verbal32]

  On 1/26/2017 at 4:22 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

It's not my only reason. It's just the one on the forefront of my mind as it's recent and a good one imo

 

Eh, I've moved from 1 town train to another as scum to get some town points and show that I'm trying to put in some work to hunt....but in reality I didn't care who we lynched.

 

I could see that happening here, so I'm not sure it merits a full town read on Dice.

[Eldrick4221]

It's the same reason I'm willing to be the lynch after you if you're scum. As long as it isn't lylo. Because it would clear things up.

[Verbal32]

  On 1/26/2017 at 4:24 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

I thought I made my reason for saying that clear. You alluded to it as well. A lot of people are tunneling on you. Have been for a while. I don't want to be wrong about you when it will cost us the game.

 

Tunneling loses games.  So if I flip town and you are also town, it means you are wrong.  If that costs us the game, how does that translate to what you're trying to say here?

 

I've had half the game tunnel on me and I'm still alive.  If anybody could be pointed out as defending me before, it would be YOU.  If you are town, then think through that and figure out it must be likely that I actually am town.

[Verbal32]

  On 1/26/2017 at 4:26 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

It's the same reason I'm willing to be the lynch after you if you're scum. As long as it isn't lylo. Because it would clear things up.

 

Clearing things up is what you do early game - in late game, you don't have the luxury of lynching just to "clear it up".  You need to be right, or you lose.

[Eldrick4221]

  On 1/26/2017 at 4:24 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

  On 1/26/2017 at 4:22 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

It's not my only reason. It's just the one on the forefront of my mind as it's recent and a good one imo

Eh, I've moved from 1 town train to another as scum to get some town points and show that I'm trying to put in some work to hunt....but in reality I didn't care who we lynched.

 

I could see that happening here, so I'm not sure it merits a full town read on Dice.

Have you moved from your scum read to a null read as scum for town points?

 

My only explanation for that is that Marsh somehow changed his mind at the end there. But dice has been riding his read on me for a while now "because I forgot him". Don't see him changing his mind so quickly.

 

I'm starting to tinfoil on him now. Gonna contemplate over a dice/Marsh team.

 

Going to bed now.

[Verbal32]

  On 1/26/2017 at 4:31 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

 

  On 1/26/2017 at 4:24 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

  On 1/26/2017 at 4:22 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

It's not my only reason. It's just the one on the forefront of my mind as it's recent and a good one imo

Eh, I've moved from 1 town train to another as scum to get some town points and show that I'm trying to put in some work to hunt....but in reality I didn't care who we lynched.

 

I could see that happening here, so I'm not sure it merits a full town read on Dice.

Have you moved from your scum read to a null read as scum for town points?

 

My only explanation for that is that Marsh somehow changed his mind at the end there. But dice has been riding his read on me for a while now "because I forgot him". Don't see him changing his mind so quickly.

 

I'm starting to tinfoil on him now. Gonna contemplate over a dice/Marsh team.

 

Going to bed now.

 

 

I have no idea what this means - can you reword?

[Verbal32]

...when you wake up, of course.

[Eldrick4221]

  On 1/26/2017 at 4:26 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

  On 1/26/2017 at 4:24 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

I thought I made my reason for saying that clear. You alluded to it as well. A lot of people are tunneling on you. Have been for a while. I don't want to be wrong about you when it will cost us the game.

Tunneling loses games. So if I flip town and you are also town, it means you are wrong. If that costs us the game, how does that translate to what you're trying to say here?

 

I've had half the game tunnel on me and I'm still alive. If anybody could be pointed out as defending me before, it would be YOU. If you are town, then think through that and figure out it must be likely that I actually am town.

1. Exactly my point that I don't want it to cost us the game. That if we are wrong I don't want to be wrong at lylo. That we have time to recover.

 

I will not vote you at lylo. I will not risk the game over figuring you out.

 

2. My only "defense of you" was to not blind lynch you over the weekend. I neither said or implied that you were off the table for lynch. There were 2 scum left, and we could look for the other one, then come back to you.

 

How does that mean you're town?

[Eldrick4221]

  On 1/25/2017 at 10:58 PM, dicetosser1 said:

im not moving i dont have a reason to vote len  hes pretty null for me

  

  On 1/25/2017 at 10:58 PM, Ironeyes said:

In the end it's a snap decision made more by feel than thought. Deadline votes are a pain

  

  On 1/25/2017 at 10:59 PM, dicetosser1 said:

 

  On 1/25/2017 at 10:58 PM, Ironeyes said:

Scum would have a more desperate will to live I think

 

 

not neccesarily. especially if they feel they are in a decent place at the time which they arnt here i guess

 

 

fine unvote vote lenlo

Scum read on me. Null read on lenlo. Vote change at the end because of what marsh said.

 

Have you done that as scum? Moved from a "scum read" train to a "null read" train last minute. Do you see that as something scum would do and if so, why?

[Andrej]

Eldrick I don't think Verb is scum.

 

He was the de facto lynch yesterday and didn't even bother to try and save himself before I screwed it up and started the Lenlo wagon.

 

He doesn't want to lynch you. I don't want to lynch him.

 

Let's refocus

[Eldrick4221]

Cuz I simply don't.

 

 

Bed now fo realzies.

[Verbal32]

  On 1/26/2017 at 4:41 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

 

  On 1/25/2017 at 10:58 PM, dicetosser1 said:

im not moving i dont have a reason to vote len  hes pretty null for me

  

  On 1/25/2017 at 10:58 PM, Ironeyes said:

In the end it's a snap decision made more by feel than thought. Deadline votes are a pain

  

  On 1/25/2017 at 10:59 PM, dicetosser1 said:

 

  On 1/25/2017 at 10:58 PM, Ironeyes said:

Scum would have a more desperate will to live I think

 

not neccesarily. especially if they feel they are in a decent place at the time which they arnt here i guess

 

 

fine unvote vote lenlo

Scum read on me. Null read on lenlo. Vote change at the end because of what marsh said.

 

Have you done that as scum? Moved from a "scum read" train to a "null read" train last minute. Do you see that as something scum would do and if so, why?

 

 

If both trains are town, then yes - I can and have seen scum do that (and have done it myself as scum).  Either way they vote a townie, right?

[Eldrick4221]

  On 1/26/2017 at 4:42 PM, Andrej said:

Eldrick I don't think Verb is scum.

He was the de facto lynch yesterday and didn't even bother to try and save himself before I screwed it up and started the Lenlo wagon.

He doesn't want to lynch you. I don't want to lynch him.

Let's refocus

That's definitely a point in his favor. And I am trying to refocus. If I'm wrong about dice, I want to figure it out.

[Verbal32]

GO TO BED YOUNG MAN

[Darthe]

  On 1/26/2017 at 3:14 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

 

  On 1/26/2017 at 2:54 AM, Darthe said:

Off train im led straight to nin, doubly so if eldricks a wolf. If he flips town (he wont, but just say he does), verbs outted by proxy and prob mrs clov with him, though one could argue for dice fitting in, despite whats definitely a stronger early game than wolf dice usually has.

 

Verb prob should have died today.

Explain your thinking there please.

 

So after I flip town if you guys lynch me it's in writing.

Im not a wolf and I dont see both wolves jumping on a lylo bandwagon considering this game, so I looked at the off train players, knew that I was town, and im aware that I vastly think you more likely to be a wolf than the others on wagon. Your inverse links to verb where youve wanted interaction and pressure and have tossed out lines like that "lynch me tomorrow" one say that you're using verb, and he seems to be taking that slow, so id bet youre never on a team with him. Moreover, dice has disappeared and mrs clov has been clean by and large. I dont quite know how they fit, but I know that AJ doesnt unless you or nin are wolves because again, I am looking with the assumption that we have one wolf on and one off.

 

That leaves marsh as the odd man out, but ive not quite made it there yet and I think my aj read still needs fleshed out.

[Darthe]

  On 1/26/2017 at 5:16 AM, Andrej said:

 

  On 1/26/2017 at 2:54 AM, Darthe said:

Off train im led straight to nin, doubly so if eldricks a wolf. If he flips town (he wont, but just say he does), verbs outted by proxy and prob mrs clov with him, though one could argue for dice fitting in, despite whats definitely a stronger early game than wolf dice usually has.

 

Verb prob should have died today.

I need you to break this down for me like this is my first game ever.

 

All of it.

 

Every connection.

Rambly, but its above. This game is clicking, so long as ive got eldrick pegged.

[Darthe]

The "low content" mantra y'all are preaching about me is wrong. Im providing significant content related to an obvious wolf, but you dont want to see if so you're ignoring that entire segment of my work. Moreover, ive got plenty on most players, it just comes in bursts and then im gone for a bit, then bursts, then gone.

 

Im definitely pulling my weight though.

[Darthe]

  On 1/26/2017 at 2:53 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

  On 1/26/2017 at 2:44 PM, Andrej said:

I'm not really stuck on my reads. I just don't believe MrsClov is scum and you'd probably be dead if I hadn't reconsidered yesterday. So you're alive and we're both probably not dead tomorrow so let's figure this thing out.

 

I don't want to lynch you or MrsClov. I am really considering Marsh because of his complete apathy. I'm actually not a fan of Darthe's reentry. Still not sure about Nini. I want to think she's Town but then I run out of possible scum.

 

Dice?

Marsh?

Darthe?

Eldrick?

Let's start with Dice. I'm not seeing the characteristics in Dice that I look for in him, or in any townie. No argument, no digging in, no wanting to make his stamp on the game - just kind of lazily going along with whatever, and posting enough to not be picked on. Dice and I were scum together in a JN game a few games ago and we saw the town completely cannibalizing, so we stood back and watched it (and ate popcorn).

 

Honestly, I'm getting a little of that vibe right now.

Thats what old dice used to do, but ive seen him be a more active wolf this past year because of how obvious that tell was. Also, this applies to marsh doesnt it?

[MrsClov]

I'm going to try and compose my thoughts here, not sure how much I'll be able to be on later. I've got a lot of homework to catch up on and some IRL stuff to deal with.  I fully admit I need to refocus and I think that when this phase ends we'll have a lot more information, so some of this could change. There's a lot of question marks right now.

AJ- I still feel like he's town, or mainly I'm hoping he is. A lot of this goes back to D1. There wasn't a ton of incentive for scum to bus where he voted. He could have easily switched to Wildfire prior to her claim, which I don't think any of us expected. I get that he could have bussed Hallia and could be leading the thread as scum, and as the phases go on, we'll definitely need to look into that. However, right now, I think we're better off looking elsewhere for right now. 

Darthe- I really don't like the way he came in after the lynch and armchair quarterbacked us. It's easy to say afterward how we messed up, but I feel like those of use who were voting and switching were at least trying to figure out who could possibly be scum. I feel like his D1 was essentially the watcher claim and fighting with Nolder. Now I feel like his focus is solely on Eldrick. 

 

Niniel- I like a lot of the points she's made and some of the questions she's asked, but at the end of the day we're still running out of townies and need to find the 2 scum that are left. She's been on Verbal the last two day phases and doesn't seem willing to budge. I'm not sure what that means alignment wise. 

 

Verbal- I fully admit I've been tunneling on him quite a bit. I think it's mainly out of paranoia that he was trying to set me up for a mislynch with some of the things he said. That being said, I feel like he's been contributing a lot more and what he's been saying makes sense. He seems more like he's trying to figure out the game now. I still don't think he could be scum with either Niniel or Marsh, and the fact that they were both on him yesterday for a bit makes me go "hrmmm." 

 

Dice- He's slipping back to null for me, which isn't good. D1 he parked his vote on Hallia before anyone else. Once she flipped I was thinking there was no way Dice could be aligned with Hallia. Now I'm kind of wondering if Time Zone issues and/or not thinking she actually would get lynched is why he stayed on her. 

 

Eldrick- I don't even know where to start with him. Sometimes I think he's a making a lot of sense, and then other times he's just frantic and I can't follow him. Despite my thoughts on Darthe, his post about scum creating chaos is sticking out in my mind quite a bit. A recent post where Aj said we need to refocus and I believe Eldrick replied with that he doesn't want to is also bugging me.

 

Ironeyes- I don't really remember enough of his posts to say he's been contributing much. I know he tried to even up the lynch on Wifi and Hallia, and when Wifi claimed voted Eldrick. I don't have much else to go on for him, and that really bugs me.

Still not sure where I stand, but I think possible scum teammates, assuming a deep wolf, could be. I'm sure there's other combinations possible as well, but this might be a start.

Niniel/Marsh

Darthe/Dice

 

AJ/Eldrick

 

Dice/Marsh

 

Darthe/Niniel

 

AJ/Verbal