Hackers Mafia - Game Thread [Game Over]

[Shad_]

It just caught my eye because #1166 without context read like god this guy is a belligerent douche and then the post I started my reread from you were calling out the absence of this behavior.

 

Not that I disagree about him having felt unusually passive for Z last night.

[randomh3r0]

It just caught my eye because #1166 without context read like god this guy is a belligerent douche and then the post I started my reread from you were calling out the absence of this behavior.

 

Not that I disagree about him having felt unusually passive for Z last night.

 

IMO he was - he was, at the time of that writing, only focussed on defense and odd comments. Once he and I get into it later, he starts to put pressure to a few others in a seemingly townie way... until the last couple pages when he set me off again. I'll let you catch up how you will, but that's my explanation and update on his activity in general. 

[Zander?]

@ Zander nice case, except that it basically proves that, while you did try to link us, you still absolutely never mentioned the potential mafia traitor role. Which is the entire issue here: if Sock flipped traitor, you said I'd be dead. Except that, if they're traitor, even if I was scum I'd have no idea. So, your logic is bad, and you should feel bad. 

 

Regardless, I'm NOT scum, I have no confirmation if Sock is a traitor or scum or town yet, like yourself, but your statements are really looking like false-logic to construct a case from nothing. Thanks for doing the leg-work to back up what I said. 

 

 

 

 

Crap, that's right, have to account for Dice being a hydra with Nyn...

 

<--- is sufficiently intimidated

 

So Dice, unlike last game, are you mafia this time?

Saving this for later.

 

In case it's trying to dissolve the fact he already knows they're a hydra cuz they're both on his team.

 

 

Will so lololololol if Eld/Sooh are Maf Traitor and Nyce/Random are the Scum team.

 

 

Come again?

 

This was also the last post in my megaquote

 

So again Ill ask are you reading my posts?

[Andrej]

Vote Count 1.12

 

Zander (3) - Dice, Sock, Random

Sock (3) - NotBob, Calder, Zander

Random (1) - Darthe

Amega (1) - Cass

 

Not voting: Marsh, Pralaya, Shad, Amega

 

7 to lynch

 

D1 Countdown

[Shad_]

The problem isn't only with asking what's going on. It's with saying he isn't going to read.

 

Which implies he will take what is said for granted. Tell me, how is that villagery? Only way for him to know what is being said is true is

A) Someone disputes it.

B) He already knows who is scum by being scum.

 

I don't see town taking the risk that what is being said is true without going back to read and check. That is a scum play if I've ever seen one.

Red reads really awkward.

[Zander?]

It just caught my eye because #1166 without context read like god this guy is a belligerent douche and then the post I started my reread from you were calling out the absence of this behavior.

 

Not that I disagree about him having felt unusually passive for Z last night.

 

Do you feel Im passive as Scum?

 

Also reads list with reasoning please!!!!

[randomh3r0]

Oh I'm sorry Zander, I missed the part where saying you'd laugh if situation A was true meant that you actually thought it would / could be. 

 

Semantics. 

 

Regardless, even if you want to call that calling out that possible scenario, HOW would Sock flipping traitor prove the rest of that statement? If there is a scum traitor, the real scum team wouldn't know who they are, remember? 

 

So, you're still not actually answering the question. 

[Shad_]

Do you feel Im passive as Scum?

 

Also reads list with reasoning please!!!!

No, hence why it was weird but not necessarily wolfy.

 

A reads list requires reading. I said where I stood last night.

[Zander?]

Oh I'm sorry Zander, I missed the part where saying you'd laugh if situation A was true meant that you actually thought it would / could be. 

 

Semantics. 

 

Regardless, even if you want to call that calling out that possible scenario, HOW would Sock flipping traitor prove the rest of that statement? If there is a scum traitor, the real scum team wouldn't know who they are, remember? 

 

So, you're still not actually answering the question. 

 

I did answer the question

 

If he's the Maf traitor that was likely a signal post imo.

[Zander?]

 

Do you feel Im passive as Scum?

 

Also reads list with reasoning please!!!!

No, hence why it was weird but not necessarily wolfy.

 

A reads list requires reading. I said where I stood last night.

 

 

ok lmk when youre caught up

 

start being villagery

 

really wanna hear your take on Sooh/Eld

[randomh3r0]

 

Oh I'm sorry Zander, I missed the part where saying you'd laugh if situation A was true meant that you actually thought it would / could be. 

 

Semantics. 

 

Regardless, even if you want to call that calling out that possible scenario, HOW would Sock flipping traitor prove the rest of that statement? If there is a scum traitor, the real scum team wouldn't know who they are, remember? 

 

So, you're still not actually answering the question. 

 

I did answer the question

 

If he's the Maf traitor that was likely a signal post imo.

 

 

lol. Ok. I can see why you didn't want to openly state that simply after reading it. Ready to lynch you. 

[Shad_]

ok lmk when youre caught up

 

start being villagery

 

really wanna hear your take on Sooh/Eld

 

*blink*

 

[Zander?]

 

 

Oh I'm sorry Zander, I missed the part where saying you'd laugh if situation A was true meant that you actually thought it would / could be. 

 

Semantics. 

 

Regardless, even if you want to call that calling out that possible scenario, HOW would Sock flipping traitor prove the rest of that statement? If there is a scum traitor, the real scum team wouldn't know who they are, remember? 

 

So, you're still not actually answering the question. 

 

I did answer the question

 

If he's the Maf traitor that was likely a signal post imo.

 

 

lol. Ok. I can see why you didn't want to openly state that simply after reading it. Ready to lynch you. 

 

 

are you serious

 

after you stated i didnt say something numerous times when i showed something numerous times.

 

ive mentioned signaling before as well

 

so where you gonna go from there?

[randomh3r0]

 

 

 

Oh I'm sorry Zander, I missed the part where saying you'd laugh if situation A was true meant that you actually thought it would / could be. 

 

Semantics. 

 

Regardless, even if you want to call that calling out that possible scenario, HOW would Sock flipping traitor prove the rest of that statement? If there is a scum traitor, the real scum team wouldn't know who they are, remember? 

 

So, you're still not actually answering the question. 

 

I did answer the question

 

If he's the Maf traitor that was likely a signal post imo.

 

 

lol. Ok. I can see why you didn't want to openly state that simply after reading it. Ready to lynch you. 

 

 

are you serious

 

after you stated i didnt say something numerous times when i showed something numerous times.

 

ive mentioned signaling before as well

 

so where you gonna go from there?

 

 

You mentioned one instance where you jokingly said you'd laugh if Sock was traitor. I don't equate that to being numerous times "saying something", so much as one time jokingly saying something. 

 

Here's the thing: All of this could've been resolved posts and posts ago if you'd simply stated that outright when asked instead of getting snarky. As I said before, your actions are at least not helping town, at worst mafia. 

 

My vote stands. 

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

Oh I'm sorry Zander, I missed the part where saying you'd laugh if situation A was true meant that you actually thought it would / could be. 

 

Semantics. 

 

Regardless, even if you want to call that calling out that possible scenario, HOW would Sock flipping traitor prove the rest of that statement? If there is a scum traitor, the real scum team wouldn't know who they are, remember? 

 

So, you're still not actually answering the question. 

 

I did answer the question

 

If he's the Maf traitor that was likely a signal post imo.

 

 

lol. Ok. I can see why you didn't want to openly state that simply after reading it. Ready to lynch you. 

 

 

are you serious

 

after you stated i didnt say something numerous times when i showed something numerous times.

 

ive mentioned signaling before as well

 

so where you gonna go from there?

 

 

You mentioned one instance where you jokingly said you'd laugh if Sock was traitor. I don't equate that to being numerous times "saying something", so much as one time jokingly saying something. 

 

Here's the thing: All of this could've been resolved posts and posts ago if you'd simply stated that outright when asked instead of getting snarky. As I said before, your actions are at least not helping town, at worst mafia. 

 

My vote stands. 

 

 

I have answered you.

 

Ive answered and addressed everything youve asked.

 

ive proven the things you accused me of were false.

 

its ok youre just likely Scum.

[randomh3r0]

Yeah Zander, you answered, and despite those answers, I don't like the sheer effort it took to drag them out of you, I don't like the manner they were delivered, and I don't believe you're town. Deal with it. 

[Zander?]

Yeah Zander, you answered, and despite those answers, I don't like the sheer effort it took to drag them out of you, I don't like the manner they were delivered, and I don't believe you're town. Deal with it. 

 

lololololol

[randomh3r0]

 

Yeah Zander, you answered, and despite those answers, I don't like the sheer effort it took to drag them out of you, I don't like the manner they were delivered, and I don't believe you're town. Deal with it. 

 

lololololol

 

 

Oh, I'm not done: I don't like how you claim a joke is a statement, that said joke gives you an open-ended invitation to claim "signals" and whatever else, and how you can use such things as defense when none of it even adds up. Here, let's test a logic exercise on your scummy mind:

 

IF Sock = Mafia Traitor, neither mafia NOR town know said alignment. True, or false?

 

IF true, said alignment would not link them to any player outside of their hydra based purely on alignment. True or false?

 

IF true, said knowledge could only be passed to actual scum team in game via "signal" you mentioned, True or false?

 

IF true, said signal would be to the scum team, which could literally be any other player than Marsh. True or false? (saying yourself doesn't count as false)

 

IF all of the above are true, then your "connection" post means nothing aside from your own joking mention of a potential traitor, no one else had legit mentioned it by that point. 

 

IF all the above are not true, then I don't trust your logical mind in this game anyway, and remain comfortable with my vote. 

[Zander?]

 

 

Yeah Zander, you answered, and despite those answers, I don't like the sheer effort it took to drag them out of you, I don't like the manner they were delivered, and I don't believe you're town. Deal with it. 

 

lololololol

 

 

Oh, I'm not done: I don't like how you claim a joke is a statement, that said joke gives you an open-ended invitation to claim "signals" and whatever else, and how you can use such things as defense when none of it even adds up. Here, let's test a logic exercise on your scummy mind:

 

IF Sock = Mafia Traitor, neither mafia NOR town know said alignment. True, or false?

 

IF true, said alignment would not link them to any player outside of their hydra based purely on alignment. True or false?

 

IF true, said knowledge could only be passed to actual scum team in game via "signal" you mentioned, True or false?

 

IF true, said signal would be to the scum team, which could literally be any other player than Marsh. True or false? (saying yourself doesn't count as false)

 

IF all of the above are true, then your "connection" post means nothing aside from your own joking mention of a potential traitor, no one else had legit mentioned it by that point. 

 

IF all the above are not true, then I don't trust your logical mind in this game anyway, and remain comfortable with my vote. 

 

 

You say its a joke then why did I mention it?

 

Maf traitor knows who the Scum are.

 

Ive said Ive asked AJ that numerous times.

 

So now what?

[randomh3r0]

Zander, I credit you for proving that you did in fact prove me wrong about mentioning it, but a throwaway joke about traitor + scum doesn't = someone dead if your traitor joke indeed flips traitor. 

 

If you spent half as much effort casing other players as you've tried defending yourself against me whenever you get pressure, maybe I'd have a town read on you for trying. I don't though. 

[randomh3r0]

 

 

 

Yeah Zander, you answered, and despite those answers, I don't like the sheer effort it took to drag them out of you, I don't like the manner they were delivered, and I don't believe you're town. Deal with it. 

 

lololololol

 

 

Oh, I'm not done: I don't like how you claim a joke is a statement, that said joke gives you an open-ended invitation to claim "signals" and whatever else, and how you can use such things as defense when none of it even adds up. Here, let's test a logic exercise on your scummy mind:

 

IF Sock = Mafia Traitor, neither mafia NOR town know said alignment. True, or false?

 

IF true, said alignment would not link them to any player outside of their hydra based purely on alignment. True or false?

 

IF true, said knowledge could only be passed to actual scum team in game via "signal" you mentioned, True or false?

 

IF true, said signal would be to the scum team, which could literally be any other player than Marsh. True or false? (saying yourself doesn't count as false)

 

IF all of the above are true, then your "connection" post means nothing aside from your own joking mention of a potential traitor, no one else had legit mentioned it by that point. 

 

IF all the above are not true, then I don't trust your logical mind in this game anyway, and remain comfortable with my vote. 

 

 

You say its a joke then why did I mention it?

 

Maf traitor knows who the Scum are.

 

Ive said Ive asked AJ that numerous times.

 

So now what?

 

 

Now what? Nothing. You're not getting me to move my vote unless someone helps uncover a player who actually seems to be scum. Since you seem intent on defending against / antagonizing me, I believe you and I are at an impasse. 

[Zander?]

Zander, I credit you for proving that you did in fact prove me wrong about mentioning it, but a throwaway joke about traitor + scum doesn't = someone dead if your traitor joke indeed flips traitor. 

 

If you spent half as much effort casing other players as you've tried defending yourself against me whenever you get pressure, maybe I'd have a town read on you for trying. I don't though. 

 

Ive debunked pretty much your entire case.

 

Youre still voting me

 

You say even if Im Town my bad logic needs to be lynched and youre ok with it.

 

You gave like 1 or 2 Scum reads and say Im not Scum hunting.

 

Im the # 2 poster and have commented and questioned most everyone.

 

Youre still voting me so.....

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

Yeah Zander, you answered, and despite those answers, I don't like the sheer effort it took to drag them out of you, I don't like the manner they were delivered, and I don't believe you're town. Deal with it. 

 

lololololol

 

 

Oh, I'm not done: I don't like how you claim a joke is a statement, that said joke gives you an open-ended invitation to claim "signals" and whatever else, and how you can use such things as defense when none of it even adds up. Here, let's test a logic exercise on your scummy mind:

 

IF Sock = Mafia Traitor, neither mafia NOR town know said alignment. True, or false?

 

IF true, said alignment would not link them to any player outside of their hydra based purely on alignment. True or false?

 

IF true, said knowledge could only be passed to actual scum team in game via "signal" you mentioned, True or false?

 

IF true, said signal would be to the scum team, which could literally be any other player than Marsh. True or false? (saying yourself doesn't count as false)

 

IF all of the above are true, then your "connection" post means nothing aside from your own joking mention of a potential traitor, no one else had legit mentioned it by that point. 

 

IF all the above are not true, then I don't trust your logical mind in this game anyway, and remain comfortable with my vote. 

 

 

You say its a joke then why did I mention it?

 

Maf traitor knows who the Scum are.

 

Ive said Ive asked AJ that numerous times.

 

So now what?

 

 

Now what? Nothing. You're not getting me to move my vote unless someone helps uncover a player who actually seems to be scum. Since you seem intent on defending against / antagonizing me, I believe you and I are at an impasse. 

 

 

get rekt wolf

[randomh3r0]

 

Zander, I credit you for proving that you did in fact prove me wrong about mentioning it, but a throwaway joke about traitor + scum doesn't = someone dead if your traitor joke indeed flips traitor. 

 

If you spent half as much effort casing other players as you've tried defending yourself against me whenever you get pressure, maybe I'd have a town read on you for trying. I don't though. 

 

Ive debunked pretty much your entire case.

 

Youre still voting me

 

You say even if Im Town my bad logic needs to be lynched and youre ok with it.

 

You gave like 1 or 2 Scum reads and say Im not Scum hunting.

 

Im the # 2 poster and have commented and questioned most everyone.

 

Youre still voting me so.....

 

 

You have debunked nothing. You have shown me a joke you posted. We've established vote count doesn't equal quality play. I've given scum reads, but I've also been open to other ideas if it benefited town. All you've done is look for things that back up your initial "connection of Sock, myself and Dice. 

 

Besides, you're forgetting my original case on you that hasn't changed, but I was trying to overlook to continue scum hunting. You're an OMGUS voter, you have flip-flopped your votes today constantly (myself, Shad, Sock just since I've been at work today), and you just dont. make. sense. 

 

Sure, that's only me. But as I mentioned previously, we wouldn't be discussing this right now if you'd simply answered my question without accusing me of not reading your posts. I do read the posts, but guess what? We're 60 pages in on D1 and you're second-highest poster... occasionally I might miss something, which is why I generally add "unless I missed something" during my casing? Instead of accusing, you could've simple said "yes, you missed this", and I'd likely still be trying to work with you right now. 

 

You weren't like this as IC confirmed town, and while I appreciate that this is bringing meta back into it, we're roughly 20 pages since the last time it was mentioned, so it's part of my whole impression of you still. 

[randomh3r0]

Sorry, that shouldn't said "we've established post count doesn't equal quality play."