Hackers Mafia - Game Thread [Game Over]

[Sooh]

@sooh what question?

I'm so confused. Was that for Cass? Also why are you confusing us?

[Cass]

@cass while I did dig into monstr a bit, you'll notice I never voted. I was simply trying to get into the small bit of gameplay actually happening.

I've only played one game with Zander, it was the recent Buffy game. Dice, Calder, marsh and darthe were there too. Zander was IC that game, so he was town the whole way. IMO he played that game entire different than he has so far.

I'm not pushing a lynch on him just yet, but I'm good with my vote for now.

As for the Sooh thing, I don't consider it jumping to defend myself when someone asks questions or points things out. What I DO and always will do, is to ensure if something's asked of or addressed to me, I'll explain myself to avoid miscommunication.

Finally, I may be a bit less experienced with Zander than yourself or others, but when he was town that game he had the highest post count by a fair margin, and almost all of it felt townie to an extent - anti scum at least. That's not been my impression of him this game yet, so I acted.

Don't hate most of this, and I appreciate your preference for communication (already noted that in the back and forth with monstr).

 

Fair points on Zander on the face, haven't read his ISO yet but should be able to figure it out.

 

What differences do you see beyond post count IC level confidence?

 

Where, specifically, don't you see him anti-scum?

 

I'm not sold on the answer wrt Sooh. IMO it's redirection/fluff and didn't actually answer/address the fact that you'd responded/defended without checking to see where Darthe could have been coming from.

 

He accused you of something you didn't actually do. The mix up was fairly obvious imo.

 

Your first step was to defend/explain Sooh read, not to correct him/clarify what he meant/avoid miscommunication.

 

 

Ok, really gotta drive!

[Sooh]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Random bugged me in small doses but I don't really have a head for him yet.  More things to work on.

 

I remember a point Marsh brought up last game about Random being overactive as Scum.

 

If that game he was super active and Town, I know its early but I felt last game his posts had more umph and substance to them then they have so far.

 

Last game started on a weekend, and we had a LOT of fluff before we got into real gameplay IMO. But fair is fair, I'll do a quick dig-in now that I'm all settled:

 Darthe: He's matching his last game fairly consistently so far, in which he was town, so for the moment I've got a slight town lean at the moment. I prefer to go off current game content more, but with what he's posted so far, this is all I have to go on (he does notice interesting things players say however, which can be insightful)

Calder: Tough to call. I'm trying to ignore what little meta I have on Calder, because he completely fooled me last game as SK (i thought him town) However, ignoring that still gives me a town read based on current game's play, but not a strong inclination just yet. Zander: Last game as IC he was twice as belligerent as he's been so far with his scumhunting. There's not a whole lot of activity in comparison, but he's not flouting himself as the town champion he was early last game. I don't feel great about this so far. Slight scum leanMarsh: IC. duh. (could use some input from him however)Dice: It's surprising that my posts this game haven't drawn the scrutiny from Dice I faced last time, which could be a bad sign for him, or could mean my play's been a bit more solid this game. I've got a slight town vibe from him for the moment

Notbob: He's been enigmatic for me. Asked some odd questions (Asking hypothetically about a Zander Vig shot?) but I haven't been feeling one way or the other quite yet. 

Sock: Sooh hasn't really posted much substance in my opinion either way. Eldrick is doing a good job seeming like he's looking for scum, but I felt a bit weird about how he was so quick to vote manbat after our interaction, and seemed to agree with everything I said. This could be paranoia - I'm not used to being agreed with frequently in mafia. I'm giving the benefit of the doubt for the moment, but that just equals a null read

Pral: BlankShad: I like Shad's play so far. I'm following his logic, he's posting concise yet thoughtful content. If he's a wolf, this is some spectacular play so far, but it is still early. Probably my biggest town lean so far

Amega: Again, not much at allCass: I don't know enough about manbat to setup any reads for Cass, but prior to the switch i'd have leaned scum on this player. We'll see if more activity changes anything. Random: All - American Hero

Looks like you read the thread already. So, a few things.

I see youre using meta from last.game on me but ignoring it on calder, and thats confusing.

Your dice read has good reasoning but.. Wait what? Lol no it doesnt.

How the eff do you get a read on sooh but not amega if sooh just showed up? She is like a cat gif and a squee into this game and she is orange.

[V] random [/v]

  

 

 

 

Sooh didn't just show up Darthe, but what she has posted was mostly during the pre-play phase. I'm not ignoring meta on Calder, I'm saying that he fooled me last game, so I'm leaning null to slight town. 

 

My Dice logic is based on him still playing like I saw before, but it was surprising that his venom wasn't pointed at me. As I said, the tricky thing with meta is that I don't know if the difference is his own play or mine, but his actual actions seem to favor town so far.

K, I still dont follow how you got where you are

 

Well, I already laid out what reasoning I had in the reads list, but if you desire quotes and such, I can do that now. Are you still mostly referring to the Dice bit, or the Calder / Sooh thing as well?

All of the above, but it can sit til the morning once you post it.

 

 

@Darthe - Looking into Dice logic, but the read on Sooh is null and the lean/orange on my slot is explained solely in context wrt monstr which makes enough sense for now?

 

@Random - Why are you surprised Dice's venom isn't directed at you here? Have you specifically tested his reaction for that?

 

Also, you don't actually explain there why you read him Town. Ie there is no discernable reasoning til that point.

 

To answer Darthe, here's my current-game reasons for leaning town on Dice:

 

 

oh no i didnt screw up  thought id quoted monstr too

 

@monstr  dont get lost in ATE bro  stay with us.

 

 

re monstrs core  he asked people he has meta with is how i looked at it and whose responses he was happy with. It is a common thing to ask opinions of people you are trusting or who are on the same wavelength as you.

 

He gave a clear, concise defense of someone I was beginning to FOS. He didn't jump onto a train, he provided information I had asked for and needed to make a decision, and that just feels town at this point in the game. HIs comment and subsequent dealings with Zander:

 

 

@monstr   Nyce is Town. Simple.

 

Notice tho that I voted Zander and he hasnt said a WORD about it despite replying to things posted after it.

 

Combined with Zander's OMGUS vote on me after my first reads list makes me wonder if my town lean on Dice following this exchange didn't ruffle his feathers. Feeling a bit more confident on my Zander read too. 

 

For Sooh, most of her posts were before and at page 21, and looked like this:

 

 

 

@Sooh

& mustard has no calories. It sells itself. Delicious and great for the waistline. It cant be.

mmmm more mustard for me plz

 

I can't base a read off that, so I went on what I had with the other head of the hydra. 

 

For Calder, his activity ceases around the same time. Most of it is regarding sandwiches and whatnot, but that's how he started last game as well. his few game related posts didn't give me huge vibes either way, but it's an early D1 read. 

 

What troubles me is both Zander AND Darthe's snap votes on me. Sure Darthe asked questions, and him claiming he won't read is both false and perfectly in line with his play, but Zander literally said he just did it as OMGUS, which seems a bad reason when responding to an entire reads list. Zander also doesn't seem the type to just vote when town and scum hunting, he's well-spoken enough to create a case or at least an FOS

 

Vote Zander

I don't hate the logic in bold wrt Dice but I disagree/think Dice's actual response is null in isolation.

 

Went back and skimmed a page either side of first Dice quote. Not a fan of Random or Eldrick's push/votes on Monstr.

 

I have my bias but Random's tone is off and Eldrick's quick vote in the context of his unvote off me where he says he had Monstr null seems inconsistent. Probably unlikely to be wolf-wolf that close together.

 

Zander can create cases/FoS as either alignment and is probably more vocal about actual 'cases' as scum imo.

 

@Random

- Do you have a different experience with Town/Scum Zander?

 

- Why do you jump into your defence of Sooh read (which is null) without processing that Darthe mixed up Sooh and I (specific with reference to Cat gifs and the colour orange)?

 

I don't know if this is a nitpicky word choice thing, but do you think that Random's choice to defend his read on me is an overreaction? The phrase "jump into your defense" seems very strong for what he did which in my opinion was more an explanation of a read. 

[Sooh]

I'm all caught up now, and I'll be around while grading some papers on the side.

[Cass]

 

@Dice - Who you calling slow? :p

If it's not already clearly ITT, or if you're feeling generous, can you explain:

- your vote on Zander

- your current read on Random

- any other reads you have

 

 

hes off cass. his tone isnt right. he isnt approaching it in normal town zander you can see it in 3 posts way. the faact that he didnt jump out of his skin when i voted him is setting off alarm bells. especially as he jumped straight at random for voting him.

 

random   hasnt done anything scummy really yet. thats all. nyn had him  and zander as light town

 

she also was leaning town on sock tho  i wasnt so sold on sock but that ones a watch and see spot.

 

i thought monstr was pretty towny

Monstr WAS Town. No idea if he was Towny.

 

Random is a she?

 

Watching Sock too. Proviso I have no idea how to read Sooh and Eldrick meta is outdated/he always seems scummy.

 

I'll look into Z. Do you disagree with Eldrick that Zander not having a problem with your vote made sense?

 

Really going now :p

[Sooh]

 

 

@Dice - Who you calling slow? :p

If it's not already clearly ITT, or if you're feeling generous, can you explain:

- your vote on Zander

- your current read on Random

- any other reads you have

 

hes off cass. his tone isnt right. he isnt approaching it in normal town zander you can see it in 3 posts way. the faact that he didnt jump out of his skin when i voted him is setting off alarm bells. especially as he jumped straight at random for voting him.

 

random   hasnt done anything scummy really yet. thats all. nyn had him  and zander as light town

 

she also was leaning town on sock tho  i wasnt so sold on sock but that ones a watch and see spot.

 

i thought monstr was pretty towny

Monstr WAS Town. No idea if he was Towny.

 

Random is a she?

 

Watching Sock too. Proviso I have no idea how to read Sooh and Eldrick meta is outdated/he always seems scummy.

 

I'll look into Z. Do you disagree with Eldrick that Zander not having a problem with your vote made sense?

 

Really going now :p

 

Random is a he, Nyn is a she.

[dicetosser1]

 

 

@Dice - Who you calling slow? :p

If it's not already clearly ITT, or if you're feeling generous, can you explain:

- your vote on Zander

- your current read on Random

- any other reads you have

 

hes off cass. his tone isnt right. he isnt approaching it in normal town zander you can see it in 3 posts way. the faact that he didnt jump out of his skin when i voted him is setting off alarm bells. especially as he jumped straight at random for voting him.

 

random   hasnt done anything scummy really yet. thats all. nyn had him  and zander as light town

 

she also was leaning town on sock tho  i wasnt so sold on sock but that ones a watch and see spot.

 

i thought monstr was pretty towny

Monstr WAS Town. No idea if he was Towny.

 

Random is a she?

 

Watching Sock too. Proviso I have no idea how to read Sooh and Eldrick meta is outdated/he always seems scummy.

 

I'll look into Z. Do you disagree with Eldrick that Zander not having a problem with your vote made sense?

 

Really going now :p

 

 

yes i totally disagree with eldrick on that

[Pralaya]

You got to be kidding me. 42 pages in one day???

 

I doubt i will be able to catch up well this game

[Pralaya]

Maybe have to ignore Eldrick and read the game ! Don't care what alignment he is, I will let others read him ... too many posts

[Sooh]

Maybe have to ignore Eldrick and read the game ! Don't care what alignment he is, I will let others read him ... too many posts

You can read me. Him and I are a hydra.

[Calder]

That Random list looked fine. Dont like the votes it drew.

 

Eldrick is prob a wolf. Agree with NotBob. Also Zander really does not feel town at all, but it is early.

[Sooh]

That Random list looked fine. Dont like the votes it drew.

 

Eldrick is prob a wolf. Agree with NotBob. Also Zander really does not feel town at all, but it is early.

My only issue with it was that it had too many nulls, which is a generic wolf tell for me, but it has to be read along with his other posts. I'm still on the fence with random, but I think it's more positive than negative overall. 

 

I have a feeling Eldrick and I are going to have some issues agreeing on who to vote lol.

[Calder]

 

Eldrick has far outpaced any version of his wolf game I've ever seen

So

/shrug

Megapeek

Bad reason. I'm always a high volume poster. This is null.

This post was aids to me btw. My scum partners in past games have shown the same need to inform people of when a town read is based off bad reasons. They seem to think it will make them look more towny.

 

It doesnt. It makes you look like your main concern is trying to look townie. So I will be voting Eldrick for now.

 

[v]Eldrick[/v]

[Calder]

 

That Random list looked fine. Dont like the votes it drew.

Eldrick is prob a wolf. Agree with NotBob. Also Zander really does not feel town at all, but it is early.

 

My only issue with it was that it had too many nulls, which is a generic wolf tell for me, but it has to be read along with his other posts. I'm still on the fence with random, but I think it's more positive than negative overall. 

 

I have a feeling Eldrick and I are going to have some issues agreeing on who to vote lol.

I feel bad Sooh bc you know we boys, but Eldrick has that scum feeling.

[Sooh]

 

 

That Random list looked fine. Dont like the votes it drew.

Eldrick is prob a wolf. Agree with NotBob. Also Zander really does not feel town at all, but it is early.

My only issue with it was that it had too many nulls, which is a generic wolf tell for me, but it has to be read along with his other posts. I'm still on the fence with random, but I think it's more positive than negative overall. 

 

I have a feeling Eldrick and I are going to have some issues agreeing on who to vote lol.

I feel bad Sooh bc you know we boys, but Eldrick has that scum feeling.

 

Will you do me a favor and keep an open mind while I go through today?

 

Like if you decide our slot is scum there really isn't much I can do to convince you otherwise, but if you do keep an open mind, perhaps we can avoid this mislynch.

[Sooh]

Calder, besides Eldrick and myself, what are your strongest reads atm? Town or scum.

[Calder]

Yea. I have an open mind. Mostly bc nothing you have said has looked off in any way to me. Eldrick just feels very scummy.

[Calder]

Calder, besides Eldrick and myself, what are your strongest reads atm? Town or scum.

I am about to make breakfast and get ready for work. I will answer your question in about 2 hours or so. Just dont have the time this second to give you anything detailed.

[Sooh]

 

Calder, besides Eldrick and myself, what are your strongest reads atm? Town or scum.

I am about to make breakfast and get ready for work. I will answer your question in about 2 hours or so. Just dont have the time this second to give you anything detailed.

 

Kk, I'd like to get the time to talk to you at some point before the end of the phase, and I think that's a good place to start to see if we can get some sort of mutual understanding going, or see if we can understand what the other person is seeing.

[Sooh]

Yea. I have an open mind. Mostly bc nothing you have said has looked off in any way to me. Eldrick just feels very scummy.

Curious on one thing though. Do you usually read Eldrick as town when he is town?

 

I'm asking as someone who has been on the mislynch wagon on Eldrick many many times.

[Sooh]

I was actually hoping for Dice to be around at this time, and Pral as well. Hoping he's busy catching up. 

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

I just saw Dream Theater and it was amazing. Im not reading 35 pages tonight, maybe ever. Any one wanna catch ne up?

 

looks like eldrick and cass' slot at this point.  

[Sooh]

 

I just saw Dream Theater and it was amazing. Im not reading 35 pages tonight, maybe ever. Any one wanna catch ne up?

 

looks like eldrick and cass' slot at this point.  

 

Looks like mine and Cass' slot what?

 

You usually have pretty good insight. Give me something to work with. Please.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

I wanna get Sooh's input before I put a serious vote down, but am leaning Notbob.

 

I'm surprised.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

To answer Darthe, here's my current-game reasons for leaning town on Dice:

 

 

oh no i didnt screw up  thought id quoted monstr too

 

@monstr  dont get lost in ATE bro  stay with us.

 

 

re monstrs core  he asked people he has meta with is how i looked at it and whose responses he was happy with. It is a common thing to ask opinions of people you are trusting or who are on the same wavelength as you.

 

He gave a clear, concise defense of someone I was beginning to FOS. He didn't jump onto a train, he provided information I had asked for and needed to make a decision, and that just feels town at this point in the game. HIs comment and subsequent dealings with Zander:

 

 

@monstr   Nyce is Town. Simple.

 

Notice tho that I voted Zander and he hasnt said a WORD about it despite replying to things posted after it.

 

Combined with Zander's OMGUS vote on me after my first reads list makes me wonder if my town lean on Dice following this exchange didn't ruffle his feathers. Feeling a bit more confident on my Zander read too. 

 

For Sooh, most of her posts were before and at page 21, and looked like this:

 

 

 

@Sooh

 

& mustard has no calories. It sells itself. Delicious and great for the waistline. It cant be.

mmmm more mustard for me plz

 

 

I can't base a read off that, so I went on what I had with the other head of the hydra. 

 

For Calder, his activity ceases around the same time. Most of it is regarding sandwiches and whatnot, but that's how he started last game as well. his few game related posts didn't give me huge vibes either way, but it's an early D1 read. 

 

What troubles me is both Zander AND Darthe's snap votes on me. Sure Darthe asked questions, and him claiming he won't read is both false and perfectly in line with his play, but Zander literally said he just did it as OMGUS, which seems a bad reason when responding to an entire reads list. Zander also doesn't seem the type to just vote when town and scum hunting, he's well-spoken enough to create a case or at least an FOS

 

Vote Zander

 

Good vote.

 

CFD on Zander anyone?