[Standard] Final Fantasy VII Mafia - Mafia Wins D4

[Pralaya]

It's not pointless if there was another power role in the mix. That's why I asked.

 

So finding out whether or not there's a vig in the mix was the point of asking people to claim.

 

Assuming that you're not claiming vig.

 

There was also another reason for asking people to claim, but since you didn't take the bait already there's no point in following up on that one.

I am not talking about asking for a claim. That is perfectly fine. I was commenting on Nyn's statement that I was delaying the claim. There is no point delaying the claim as scum, so that whole argument is pointless.

[Pralaya]

I don't know if you would spend so much effort as scum. That is making me rethink. I have kind of done that as scum desperate for a win, but I don't know your play.

[csarmi]

Nyn I figured out that if I just follow your vote either we win or I can say "I told you so". Add the fact that I will not have a time to re-read anyway and I really can't read Pral and I think I'll just follow you.

 

As for why Pral is a villager I don't know. I think I can spend like a 15 minutes ofn a coffee break or something and read through him. But I don't think that'll help. Wise people may have told me a while ago what's the key to his soul, but I forgot.

 

From my PoV either of them can be a wolf TBH. I'M not sure what would convince me on one of them being villager.

 

I still think Liz is much more likely to be the wolf here.

 

I'll try to be back. Heading off to work now.

[Pralaya]

So, if the scum holstered today - that means the scum knew that he/she needed 3 votes to win. Even a tie 2-2 could end up bad due to die rolls. So, a kill was advantageous to scum rather than no-kill. Unless, killing would put pressure on scum to mislynch.

 

If Nyn is scum, then as already discussed, she could have just killed and let the other two fight it out. And, vote whoever she is "suspecting". Because her getting lynched today would be a rare event

If liz is scum, then she could have simply killed me/csarmi and put suspicion on the other. She was already suspecting us, so it wouldn't be a big deal. She also kind of has Nyn's support and she wouldn't have wanted to kill Nyn at all.

If csarmi is scum, he was town-reading me and putting me as scum would be sudden and suspicious. He could have killed Nyn and go into a unreliable battle between liz/pral/csarmi knowing I would have supported him. Why keep Nyn alive? To divide up the votes?

 

Looking at it, csarmi does have a slightly better reason to no-NK as scum than liz. Or even Nyn.

[csarmi]

TBH I haven't thought about what I would do here as a wolf as I'm not one. I'm actually a little baffled by the no NK as it doesn't really seem to make a lot of sense (and still second-guessing myself on the cause, like whether the remaining wolf really holstered or there's some even weirder thing going on).

 

I have posted why I think Liz may have holstered here: she won't wanna kill Nyn as she seemed to be on line with her most game and she won't wanna kill someone else because that looks weird (why not kill Nyn).

 

But the hell knows.

[csarmi]

So what would I do if I was Pral and I was a wolf?

I'd just shoot Nyn everytime I guess and fight it out (having no worse chance than now).

 

What would I do if I was Nyn and I was a wolf?

Well just whatever. Every single play wins. She could just holster to have some confusion as her not being killed would look weird.

 

What would I do if I was Liz and a wolf?

I'd just shoot csarmi and lynch Pral TBH.

 

What would I do if I was csarmi and I was a wolf?

I'd just shoot Nyn and have Liz lynched. I guess?

[Nynaeve]

I'm here, catching up

[csarmi]

glgl

 

I didn't get around to do stuff.

[csarmi]

Pray is playing without an agenda or plan. I just plain forgotten if that is a good look on him or bad.

[Nynaeve]

I don't get the no NK. Keep wondering if it might have been something as dumb as the scum missing the DL. Some kind of interference doesn't make sense cause we've all claimed. I can sort of see what Salami means irt the NK in relation to Liz, but i still think she's town, both via her own content and her interactions with Sooh. 

[Nynaeve]

Liz are you around today?

[Lizabeth]

 

 

 

How is that playing safe? That's ridiculous. Especially in a game where very few people know my meta and more than a few were ready to read my play as scummy.

 

In a two=scum game the best strategy is to keep your partner alive as long as possible. Soft pushes, suspicion sure. But the repeated shading (her) and my actually following through on killing her - that's not safe play in a game where you only have one partner and you have no idea what powers town has in play.

 

Ugh, I am talking about sooh's meta. Not yours.

 

Distancing pretty much sets up each other as townie when the other is lynched. Especially in a game where you need only 3 mislynches. Like Pirates of the Caribbean. What's I pretty much hard bused scummate to victory - especially when there is enough suspicion on the scummate.

 

I was talking about Sooh's meta too.

 

There's distancing and then there's "let's make sure the whole thread focuses suspicion on my team mate"

 

 

 

 

 

[Lizabeth]

Nyn I figured out that if I just follow your vote either we win or I can say "I told you so". Add the fact that I will not have a time to re-read anyway and I really can't read Pral and I think I'll just follow you.

 

As for why Pral is a villager I don't know. I think I can spend like a 15 minutes ofn a coffee break or something and read through him. But I don't think that'll help. Wise people may have told me a while ago what's the key to his soul, but I forgot.

 

From my PoV either of them can be a wolf TBH. I'M not sure what would convince me on one of them being villager.

 

I still think Liz is much more likely to be the wolf here.

 

I'll try to be back. Heading off to work now.

If you're town, you're costing us the game.

 

If you're scum then well played. You played the helpless confused townie part well.

[csarmi]

Just forget the NK distraction Imo.

[Lizabeth]

Pray is playing without an agenda or plan. I just plain forgotten if that is a good look on him or bad.

How do you figure that?

[Lizabeth]

Liz are you around today?

I just caught up but I'm going to be at work.

 

I'll try to check in before end of day. I still think it's pral, but Csarmi is making me go >.>

 

I'm probably going to keep my vote on Pral. If it's you Nyn, I'll be ridiculously impressed and you go on my never trust list, but I'm never lynching you today :P

 

If it's Csarmi, I won't feel too badly, actually, because he would have played his part very well.

 

If it's Pral, I have to give him kudos too, but at least I'll have the satisfaction of knowing that I was right!

 

But my lunch break is at 12:00, so I'll try to check in and see the state of affairs by that time.

[Lizabeth]

And Csarmi, I apologize for my snarky response to you up above - no hard feelings either way. It's just a game.

[Lizabeth]

 

 

 

 

How is that playing safe? That's ridiculous. Especially in a game where very few people know my meta and more than a few were ready to read my play as scummy.

 

In a two=scum game the best strategy is to keep your partner alive as long as possible. Soft pushes, suspicion sure. But the repeated shading (her) and my actually following through on killing her - that's not safe play in a game where you only have one partner and you have no idea what powers town has in play.

 

Ugh, I am talking about sooh's meta. Not yours.

 

Distancing pretty much sets up each other as townie when the other is lynched. Especially in a game where you need only 3 mislynches. Like Pirates of the Caribbean. What's I pretty much hard bused scummate to victory - especially when there is enough suspicion on the scummate.

 

Ugh, quoted with in a quote again:

 

I was talking about Sooh's meta too.

 

There's distancing and then there's "let's make sure the whole thread focuses suspicion on my team mate"

 

(I love lots of things about the DM platform, but the multiquote system isn't one of them! *sigh*)

 

 

 

 

[Nynaeve]

Liz I think DM is swallowing some of your responses. It only posts quotes. 

[csarmi]

Pral man you gonna vote?

[Lizabeth]

Liz I think DM is swallowing some of your responses. It only posts quotes.

Oh - sorry that's me posting within quotes. I caught one I'll go back and catch some others (I'm gonna be late, damn mafia :( )

[Pralaya]

I'll try to check in before end of day. I still think it's pral, but Csarmi is making me go >.>

I am not.

[Pralaya]

There's distancing and then there's "let's make sure the whole thread focuses suspicion on my team mate"

My favorite way to play when I am scum.

[Lizabeth]

Okay, it was only one.

 

Before I go, the one thing I have to say to Pral and Csarmi is this:

 

Whichever one of you is town I want you to really think about what I'm saying about the logical inconsistency in your arguments about Sooh.

 

On d1 and d2 both of you claimed that it would be next to impossible for Sooh to be a wolf and to reverse her read on Darthe the way that she did. I tried to explain to you, Cory tried to explain to you, and I think BFG and Nyn also explained why Sooh had every reason to want to lynch anyone but her partner on D1.

 

But now you're saying that it's absolutely logical for me and Sooh to not only have soft distanced each other but for me to actively try and succeed in getting her lynched on D2. Go back and look at the vote history for D2. In no way was Sooh's lynch inevitable on that day.

 

One of the two of you is being disgenuine in your reasoning here and taking advantage of the other. Think about that.

 

I think it's Pral mainly because he's the one who has been following Csarmi and supporting Csarmi's reasoning when no one else has all game. If it's Csarmi, then I just don't know at this point.

 

But anyway, goodbye and goodluck! I'll see you all around 12ish.

 

Nyn, I look forward to your insights!

[Pralaya]

Pral man you gonna vote?

Not yet. Still reading a bit.

It's you, isn't it?