[Standard] Final Fantasy VII Mafia - Mafia Wins D4

[Lizabeth]

And by the way - I was Cory's neighbour.

[csarmi]

figured so

[Nynaeve]

okay...

[Nynaeve]

I need to do some rereading and I want to look into VCs.

[Nynaeve]

Okay...

 

I don't know what this means...but I'll go with what I was thinking last night and [v]Prallia[/v]

 

can you expand?

[Lizabeth]

 

Okay...

 

I don't know what this means...but I'll go with what I was thinking last night and [v]Prallia[/v]

 

can you expand?

 

yeah, I will. But after he shows up.

[Lizabeth]

Gotta go get a facial now, though. I'll be back in a few hours.

[Nynaeve]

Looking back, Sooh was the lead train on D1 like 40 mins from DL.

 

 

Vote count!

 

• Alannalynn - 2 - Nynaeve, Lizabeth
• Cory Caboose - 1 - Prallia
• Sooh - 3 - Darthe, Cory Caboose, Ironeyes
• Darthe - 2 -  Alannalynn, Sooh

 

Day phase ends at 12:30 Eastern on Saturday, 10/29!  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ironeyes unvotes and BFG votes Darte, putting him in the lead.

 

 

Vote count!

 

• Alannalynn - 2 - Nynaeve, Lizabeth
• Cory Caboose - 1 - Prallia
• Sooh - 2 - Darthe, Cory Caboose
• Darthe - 3 -  Alannalynn, Sooh, BFG

 

Day phase ends at 12:30 Eastern on Saturday, 10/29!  Do NOT post after 12:30:59.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Then Salami casts the last vote on Darthe like 2 mins from deadline.

 

 

Final Vote Count!

 

• Alannalynn - 2 - Nynaeve, Lizabeth
• Cory Caboose - 1 - Prallia
• Sooh - 2 - Darthe, Cory Caboose
• Darthe - 4 -  Alannalynn, Sooh, BFG, Csarmi

 

Darthe has been lynched!

 

 

 

I ISOed Pral and he basically casts his vote on Cory like 4-5 hours from DL and openly admits it most likely goes no where, but says we can have it for reference, as in come back to it the next day or in the future. I've already mentioned that I wasn't a huge fan of this vote, because I feel like he could have gone with a secondary suspicion if he already felt like he wasn't going to get any traction. He did say that Kat and Sooh were pinging, so why not roll with that and see what gives? He posted a couple of times after voting, responding to stuff. But didn't post again between then and the actual DL. He said he had the whole vacation holiday thing going on. I just find it a bit hard to swallow that if he wasn't going to be around at EoD he'd leave a vote on someone he recognized himself was not getting lynched that day. Meh.

 

Irt Salami, that last minute vote on Darthe is something that I'd consider overkill as Sooh's scummate. ie Darthe was already in majority at that point so it wasn't needed. And considering Salami only checked in like 2 hours from DL, I think he could have gotten away with not casting a vote at all. So he could have easily avoided being on the Darthe lynch and in the long run avoid a possible connection with Sooh, by encouraging her competing train. This doesn't look half bad imo.

 

As far as Liz, she was on Darthe's ass all day and could have easily voted him without it seeming out of place. Plus I read back in VCs and Liz was voting Alanna before Sooh's train even built up. She only had one vote at that point (Darthe's). Not seeing anything that bothers me overall. And she already explained her shift from Darthe to Alanna. Plus I thought Alanna was shady as ****, so.

[Nynaeve]

Gotta go get a facial now, though. I'll be back in a few hours.

 

Have fun!

[Nynaeve]

On D1, this was the VC roughly like 3 hours from DL. 

 

 

Vote Count!

 

• Sooh - 1 - Nynaeve
• Cory caboose - 1 - Prallia
• Csarmi - 1 - Lizabeth
• Katiora - 3 - BFG, Cory Caboose, Csarmi

 

Day Two ends at 12:30 Eastern time on Tuesday, 11/1.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2.5 hours from DL, Liz and Cory moved to Sooh. Pral unvoted Cory. Disclaimer: Cory was moving around his vote a lot between the two trains.

 

 

Vote Count!

 

• Sooh - 3 - Nynaeve, Lizabeth, Cory Caboose
• Katiora - 2 - BFG, Csarmi

 

Day Two ends at 12:30 Eastern time on Tuesday, 11/1.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

20ish mins from DL, Kat votes Sooh. Pral votes Kat. Cory sort of flip flops between Sooh and Kat a lot (seemed pointless to quote all the VCs but I'll expand on changes I found significant).

 

 

Vote Count!

 

• Sooh - 4 - Nynaeve, Lizabeth, Cory, Kat
• Katiora - 3 - BFG, Csarmi, Pral

 

Day Two ends at 12:30 Eastern time on Tuesday, 11/1.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Final VC

 

 

Vote Count!

 

• Sooh - 5 - Nynaeve, Lizabeth, Cory, Kat, BFG
• Katiora - 2 - Csarmi, Pral

 

Day Two ends at 12:30 Eastern time on Tuesday, 11/1.

 

 

 

Liz started off the day voting Sooh. The vote stayed there for at least half a phase (if I recall), if not more, but no one else was really voting at the time. She did move to Salami at some point but she moved her vote back to Sooh before her train really built, which is a good sign imo. I find it very hard to believe she would do this as Sooh's scummate. If so, hats off to her.

 

Salami's vote on Kat was there before Sooh's train built. At the same time, he stated no reason to vote her. As in, BFG said it was a good idea to have competing trains and he basically went "oh okay" and sheeped her. His stance on Sooh was a town lean so rationally I get why he wouldn't vote her over Kat, but him not having a concrete reason to vote Kat isn't that great. BFG moved her vote like 20 minutes from DL from Kat to Sooh, and even though Salami showed indication that he was about, he didn't move his vote. I'm not sure how to process this because it could be as simple as between Kat and Sooh, he didn't want to vote a town lean. But it could be a scummate worried about how voting her last minute would be perceived, especially considering his stance on her. Eh.

 

Pral comes in dropping a vote on Cory. Then on the next day says it's not going anywhere and that he thinks Cory looks better for his previous night so he drops the vote. Following that he says that he doesn't like Kat's lack of stances on everyone (at this point Kat already has 3 votes on her, Sooh has one). He only places a vote over two hours later, closer to DL, when Kat and Sooh's trains are tied. Basically, Kat ties the trains and he puts Kat at majority like 5 minutes later. A bit after that, Cory moves his vote from Kat to Sooh and puts her in majority (it's not noticeable in the VCs cause the VCs are too spaced apart, but feel free to check out the posts - p.86). Then later BFG moves to Sooh and so on. Not a great look for Pral. if I have the numbers right, I'm pretty sure that if Sooh survives the day, D3 would have been LYLO so I could see the motivation there. Not to mention the benefit of keeping her alive for another night to PR hunt.

[Nynaeve]

*On D2

[Nynaeve]

I'll look into D3 tomorrow. It's really late. But I'd like to hear more from pretty much everyone

[Lizabeth]

Nyn, I'm really glad you're alive

 

Csarmi, do you have anything to add?

 

pral - where are you?

 

 

[Lizabeth]

Oh, and going back to the question I threw to Pral and Csarmi yesterday. I'm hoping you can each expand on the "why" behind your answers.

 

I asked you how many scum you believed were still alive on D3.

 

Csarmi you simply said "one"

 

Pral, you said:

 

 

 

 

That's where my thoughts were yesterday as well.
 
But how many other scum do you think are in play right now?

 
Likely one more. I think 3-8 starting combination would be quite overpowered for scum.
Plus there was an extra kill D1. Either a 3p or an additional kill for scum. I would think the latter with 2-9 starting.

I'm particularly interested in why you said the bolded, Pral. And why you think that scum would have wanted to kill Alanna.

[Lizabeth]

 

Gotta go get a facial now, though. I'll be back in a few hours.

 

Have fun!

 

Thanks. It was really nice - I needed it! Now it feels like my skin can breathe :)

 

And then I went shopping and took myself out for dinner afterwards. It was a nice afternoon!

[Lizabeth]

wow

[csarmi]

it's the middle of the night here so don't expect me to be fluid or to read stuff

 

1) I wouldn't expect Pral to show up at weekends. That's unfortunate, but that's how it usually is.

2) I believed there was one wolf left because 3 wolves in a 11 player game is just too much.

3) As he was Liz's neighbour (prety sure you can figure out why I was like 99% sure of this since the scene), Cory's posts should be checked.

4) I have an opinion on what's going on here but I'll expend on it later.

[csarmi]

@Liz - if you are lonely here that's because it's night in Europe and Pral hardly ever logs in on weekends.

 

@Clov - I'm against ending the day earlier

[Pralaya]

I'm particularly interested in why you said the bolded, Pral. And why you think that scum would have wanted to kill Alanna.

What other option were there? It is unlikely to have a vig with a tracker and jailkeeper in a 11 person game. 3p was possible but again unlikely given the other option.

 

I don't know why or whether scum killed Alanna

[Pralaya]

Pral comes in dropping a vote on Cory. Then on the next day says it's not going anywhere and that he thinks Cory looks better for his previous night so he drops the vote. Following that he says that he doesn't like Kat's lack of stances on everyone (at this point Kat already has 3 votes on her, Sooh has one). He only places a vote over two hours later, closer to DL, when Kat and Sooh's trains are tied. Basically, Kat ties the trains and he puts Kat at majority like 5 minutes later. A bit after that, Cory moves his vote from Kat to Sooh and puts her in majority (it's not noticeable in the VCs cause the VCs are too spaced apart, but feel free to check out the posts - p.86). Then later BFG moves to Sooh and so on. Not a great look for Pral. if I have the numbers right, I'm pretty sure that if Sooh survives the day, D3 would have been LYLO so I could see the motivation there. Not to mention the benefit of keeping her alive for another night to PR hunt.

I was pretty open about how I saw sooh as town the whole time. I was wrong but at that time, that was what my read was. If you follow my posts, it was always kat who i was going to vote for, regardless of the timing of it.

[Pralaya]

Anyway, nyn, do you think scum would expose themselves that early in the game like that? It is too simplistic an argument.

[Nynaeve]

I was pretty open about how I saw sooh as town the whole time. I was wrong but at that time, that was what my read was. If you follow my posts, it was always kat who i was going to vote for, regardless of the timing of it.

 

I'm not disputing that. I said myself that you voiced your thoughts about Kat prior. You just seem to be hanging back a lot irt the votes and it's something that bothers me. Even on D3 I felt it a bit. If you were so certain about your case on Kat, why didn't you just come in and vote her?

[Nynaeve]

Anyway, nyn, do you think scum would expose themselves that early in the game like that? It is too simplistic an argument.

 

Like I said, If Sooh had survived D2, that prolly would have made D3 LYLO. So I don't really find it "early". Plus imo when it's a scum team of two, ignoring each other or soft protecting each is more beneficial, where's I find bussing a lot less likely, by a large margin.

[Nynaeve]

Who do you think is scum, Pral? I don't even really know your stances right now. I recall you saying you thought it was likely salami was town the previous phase. And that's about it.

[Nynaeve]

I'm still trying to sleep.... so I'm not sure how long I'm gonna hang around. Just a FYI.