[Basic] Pirates of the Caribbean (Curse of the Black Pearl) Game Thread - D2

monstrman · October 7, 2016

If we no lynch, then another town dies. Then it'll still be 4 to lynch with just 6 people in total. (I'm guessing 4, because 1 scum vs. 1 town means scum wins, right?).

That's going to be difficult with the thought that 2 are scum. All 4 of us will have to agree on someone then. And probably be attacked (hammered) by scum if we choose wrong.

if we have 4 left and there are 2 mafia left, we lose don't we?

4 villagers left she means

monstrman · October 7, 2016

I think Pral has been decently villagery but I worry every time I see the kat half dragging it down into the abyss

It's a rough look

monstrman · October 7, 2016

Then again, Pral sees the exact same thing I do with Besie

Pral you played really well if you're a wolf

Wildfire Sedai · October 7, 2016

Sorry, darthe...You do know that the one game that I start trusting you is the game you rand wolf :dry:

Pralaya · October 8, 2016

can we no lynch here?

Not really keen on no-lynch today. It is not going to help much, since you, the cop-viewed town will die and then what? It is the same question tomorrow.

Pralaya · October 8, 2016

I am kind of not happy with tinker not even bothering to address the votes on him when he came in yesterday and voted nolder. After that he spent discussing his PhD, minor game-related points here and there and Nolder the rest of the night.

Look at all his posts :

He was very eager to vote Nolder and pretty much only focuses there. Don't see a town coming in and pretty much ignoring all the votes on him earlier in the day.

Nynaeve · October 8, 2016

Official Vote count

Tiinker (1): Besie

Not voting (5): The rest of you lot.

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Pralaya · October 8, 2016

Okay. I'm going with

[v]Tiinker[/v]

Definitely not town. Today is LyLo and I don't see town jumping in without deliberations.

If tink and besie are scum, this is a classic distancing last-ditch effort move.If one of them is lynched, looks like the other is clear but at this point, it doesn't make sense. Besie is kind of a newbie, would totally expect her to do it.

Pralaya · October 8, 2016

Looking at the lynches:

D1 FINAL VOTE COUNT:

Zander (5): Calder, Sooh, Tiinker, Darthe, monstr
Calder (4): Besie, Zander, Pral, dice
Nolder (1): Believer
dice (1): Nego

Not voting cause all the rum is gone (2): Hellian, Nolder

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Pretty much don't see Zander lynch led by sooh alone. If we are to go by Darthe saying that there are experienced wolves, maybe monstr? But his vote, as discussed before, alternated between calder, nolder and zander and he looked like a confused townie more than anything. A scum monstr would have no need to go through those efforts since it was already a v/v lynch.

Tinker is likely a wolf vote here.

In the Calder train, I am more than convinced about Besie. She started the whole Calder train as alternate to Zander and pretty much stuck to that. It was a very casual vote and definitely don't see her being town.

Final D2 Savvy Vote Count

Believer (6): Darthe, Sooh, Wifi, Tiinker, dice, Besie
Besie (2): manbat, Pral
Tiinker (1): Nolder
Sooh (1): Believer

Waiting for the opportune moment (1): diachei

It's a lynch.

The Believer lynch is weird because most of the votes came at the EoD. Believer, Tinker and Besie had been the trains and at the end of day both TInker and Besie end up voting Believer. Very close to deadline. Note that they were both on Believer for the most part of D2 and had moved off temporarily.

This should have been either Besie or tinker and would have resolved most of our problems today. That was a heist taking advantage of a divided town.

D3 Final Vote Count

Nolder (5): Pral, Besie, manbat, Tiinker, Wifi
Tiinker (2): Nolder, dyachei

Not voting (1): Darthe

IT'S A LYNCH.

Clearly nolder train has both the wolf. Yeah, dya could be Godfather but I am not tinfoiling there. Nego was quite townie when he was playing and dya doesn't seem so scummy either. Cannot say anything other than that from this lynch because townie was as likely to vote nolder as a scum.

Pralaya · October 8, 2016

Wifi is a total wildcard. She sometimes abuses her newbieness in the one scum game she played but her emotional outburst to Darthe yesterday looked real. Not really sure if her calling Darthe scum after he claimed cop is truly her newbieness or an act. Think it could be the former

Pralaya · October 8, 2016

BTW, not totally happy how silent the game went on lylo. Very easy for scum to coast under radar.

If tink or besie is town, this the time to show it.

Tiinker · October 8, 2016

Alright, getting into this now. I voted and left cause I didn't have the time to address posts. I was posting from the tube lol.

Tiinker · October 8, 2016

I finally made it through everything. Some quotes

I think the game should focus on besie/sooh/believer/nolder for now

I like what pral has been saying, though kat has been conspicuously absent as his hydra partner.

Dice feels like he could have some deepwolf equity because he's played so many games before, but like darthe said that one post that he made that darthe pointed out was town dice to a T was the same reason I had townread dice so I feel like he's probably just a villager?

I've seen flashes of villageriness from tink, I'd like to see more in depth analysis more often, though.

Nego is trying and he said he'd do more today so maybe nego try isoing those people and let me know what reads you come up with and I'll do the same

Wildfire has been posting okay enough today to not get lynched I think, but I'm not 100% confident they are a villager.

Darthe seems okay unless he's playing really well

I really like this - monstr is town

The buddying between Nego and Besie though jeezus. This isn't even all of it.

Okay, and here is his reason. It relates to my recent post about Zander’s activity. It’s still a bit odd to me that Zander’s absence is enough to get a vote when his clear frustration and complete AtE of Tiink is apparently not enough for a vote there. Monstrman/Tiink w/w?

Bottom p30 is a lot of support and helpfulness towards Monstrman from Darthe. Even though I agree with all that Darthe said there, it just makes me uncomfortable – to both players. Monstrman/Tiink/Darthe team? That seems too easy.

"monstrman is a wolf"

Besie would be losing village points fast but I think she's just demonstrating that she has no idea how to read me

"Lol no what? ok you're probably still a villager though"

Besie would be losing village points fast but I think she's just demonstrating that she has no idea how to read me

You're talking about that I called your outburst AtE?

Are you aware of my current read of you?

"Are you aware of my current read of you?"

I think it takes a certain level of critical thinking that wolves have a hard time faking to look at an interaction between two players and make that connection between me and tink (wrong as it is)

So besie prolly a villager

Ah, you were talking about me wondering why you were voting Zander instead of Tiink. Thanks for reading my catchup posts? But I still don't understand why you didn't just vote Tiink. I'm still catching up so if you said something from p30 to explain why you chose Zander above Tiink, fine, but if not, please inform me?

Besie would be losing village points fast but I think she's just demonstrating that she has no idea how to read me

You're talking about that I called your outburst AtE?

Are you aware of my current read of you?

Ill be honest I really don't care because if you're a wolf you'll never ever ever get me lynched and if you're a villager I'm confident I can change your mind

So yeah, don't care at all about your read of me right now.

No offence, but you can't say the bold without knowing how I'm reading you atm. So why did you say it?

>.>

Again, no sense because you said "monstrman is on wolf teams" which means that you implied I was wolfy, you KNEW you implied I'm wolfy, and then you tried to turn it on me then

Yet nowhere in the post did you explicitly say monstrman is a wolf

I'm not having this argument it has nothing to do with alignments

you're the one continuing with it.

I didn't say you're a wolf, no. That's not my read of you. Which is why i found it odd when you said i'm reading you wrong.

So i'm reading you wrong when I've been reading you town? Interesting. - was my thoughts.

"Wow I was reading you town the whole time. Interesting that you think that's wrong."

Besie has proven that her reads are fabricated. Lynch the crap out of her accordingly, and immediately.

actually this is not a bad find. besie dropping down on my list.

I'm tired so going to bed but i'm wtl Calder, Darthe, Nolder.

For now [v]Calder[/v].

I gave several reasons in the past posts.

Never lynching Nego.

Slight town Zander/Sooh/Believer/Pral

Slight scum Monstrman/Tiink/Dice

Of these the biggest change is Monstrman. Most reasons are given.

Either one of them is scum or both of them are imo.

These kind of posts after also just reek.

so okay, why exactly was zander lynched?

catching up, btw. i'm really tired though so i'm heading to bed the minute i'm done.

You played less than zero part in preventing it and are acting like there's nothing to his lynch. You didn't even participate in the Calder train which ironically might have given you more credit than not even voting. There was literally 40 pages of people spewing at each other that you've glossed over. This is not the reaction I'm expecting from town.

The Calder lynch looked like bullshit though. Given that I don't understand the logic behind half the posts people are making I guess there is some plausibility to scum reading him I suppose but I don’t think he really should be scum read this game after page 30-40. Literally the only reason I can think for him to have been shot last night was for the people on his train to gain town cred. Unless he dropped a doc hint earlier there is literally no other reason to kill him but I honestly haven’t ISO’d him and checked for one.

right now my vote going to calder. there no real reason here except im just not voting zander

nol wont happen darthe

vote calder

Dice's vote on Calder is also BS.

I got Darthe, Monstr, Sooh, Nolder as town with Nego, Besie and Dice as scum.

[v]Nego[/v]

this reads poorly to me. Defense of sooh and I believe he flip flopped on his read of monstr. Slight scum read

Ok seriously people! Read Believer and please tell my why I shouldn't lynch him right now. His pushes on Tiinker have been nothing really, and that's about all he has done this game. In my experience he at least usually leaves a bit more of an imprint on the thread.

Also when you have read and agree with me, please move your vote accordingly. Thanks.

and sooh defends him.

Ok seriously people! Read Believer and please tell my why I shouldn't lynch him right now. His pushes on Tiinker have been nothing really, and that's about all he has done this game. In my experience he at least usually leaves a bit more of an imprint on the thread.

Also when you have read and agree with me, please move your vote accordingly. Thanks.

Are you reading me scum because I have done nothing, in your mind?

If you are reading me null, am I really the best lynch to you?

I don't like this post at all, very tempted to OMGUS.

You're attempting to lynch Tiinker over the same kind of idea. "I believe he doesn't believe what he's saying". I think Tiinker has had some good posts this game, especially since his initial train happened, and I don't like this push on him.

Why would you say I'm reading you null? Does my vote suggest that you're null to me?

and again with the defense.

Someone give me a good reason to not lynch tiink?

I can only disagree when you say it reads poorly. I'm not sure how I flip flopped on my read on Monstrman and my opinion is that what Sooh "defended" me of for is something that literally anyone could have said and in fact Darthe also hopped onto to that line of defence reasoning agreeing with Sooh. It wasn't as if she had to create something out of nothing to back up a post I made it was literally her following my train of thought and realizing that she could gain town points for giving some resistance to my lynch which at the time seemed pretty likely that it could happen.

Tiinker · October 8, 2016

I was roleblocked but it's pretty clear who Dice shot. Well done man.

So can we all agree that Sooh (and maybe Darthe?) were running interference for Tiinker?

Dice bought us some breathing room but we need to actually start lynching mafia.

[v]Tiinker[/v]

*snip*

So yeah the way I see it:

1. Sooh was scum.

2a. Sooh was defending Tiinker

2b. Tiinker was defending Sooh

2conclusion: Sooh and Tiinker are on the same team.

3a Pral wants to lynch besie/believer for voting Tiink/defending Tiink

3b Pral has sooh and tiink in top of his reads list

3conclusion: Pral is last mafia

[unvote] [v] tiinker [/v] People already voting Tiink, Pral next

[v]tiinker[/v]

Also 3 tink votes in 4 posts.

Odd, to say the least.

[v]Tiinker[/v]

How to address? If your reasoning is that I've been defensive or whatever then just read my posts again from the perspective of a highly annoyed and incredibly busy town who can't deal with being misrepresented. Imo they sound normal, just very agitated.

Tiinker · October 8, 2016

Lol doesn't seem like there was actually all that much for me to talk about at all.

[v]Besie[/v]

Tiinker · October 8, 2016

I am kind of not happy with tinker not even bothering to address the votes on him when he came in yesterday and voted nolder. After that he spent discussing his PhD, minor game-related points here and there and Nolder the rest of the night.

Look at all his posts :

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/index.php?app=core&module=search&do=search&andor_type=&sid=2d530e986b764e7a9b5a6d8ac0306ae2&search_author=tiinker&search_app_filters[forums][sortKey]=date&search_app_filters[forums][sortDir]=1&cType=topic&cId=98853&search_content=both&search_app_filters[forums][sortKey]=date&search_app_filters[forums][noPreview]=1&search_app_filters[forums][pCount]=&search_app_filters[forums][pViews]=&search_app_filters[forums][sortDir]=1&search_app_filters[forums][searchInKey]=&search_term=&search_app=forums&st=150

He was very eager to vote Nolder and pretty much only focuses there. Don't see a town coming in and pretty much ignoring all the votes on him earlier in the day.

C'mon man, why wouldn't I be eager to vote Nolder?? The cop had not-town read on him and he had claimed survivor after randomly claiming tracker. There was only ever one place that votes were going to go that day after that info was revealed.

Tiinker · October 8, 2016

Looking at the lynches:

D1 FINAL VOTE COUNT:

Zander (5): Calder, Sooh, Tiinker, Darthe, monstr

Calder (4): Besie, Zander, Pral, dice

Nolder (1): Believer

dice (1): Nego

Not voting cause all the rum is gone (2): Hellian, Nolder

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Pretty much don't see Zander lynch led by sooh alone. If we are to go by Darthe saying that there are experienced wolves, maybe monstr? But his vote, as discussed before, alternated between calder, nolder and zander and he looked like a confused townie more than anything. A scum monstr would have no need to go through those efforts since it was already a v/v lynch.

Tinker is likely a wolf vote here.

In the Calder train, I am more than convinced about Besie. She started the whole Calder train as alternate to Zander and pretty much stuck to that. It was a very casual vote and definitely don't see her being town.

I'll disagree about Zander for reasons I've already stated a number of times, his game did not appear towny to me. End of day maybe, but it was already too late for that. Your reasoning on Besie beginning the Calder train was my exact reason for scumreading her early on in the first place after N1.

Tiinker · October 8, 2016

Looking at the lynches:

Final D2 Savvy Vote Count

Believer (6): Darthe, Sooh, Wifi, Tiinker, dice, Besie

Besie (2): manbat, Pral

Tiinker (1): Nolder

Sooh (1): Believer

Waiting for the opportune moment (1): diachei

It's a lynch.

The Believer lynch is weird because most of the votes came at the EoD. Believer, Tinker and Besie had been the trains and at the end of day both TInker and Besie end up voting Believer. Very close to deadline. Note that they were both on Believer for the most part of D2 and had moved off temporarily.

This should have been either Besie or tinker and would have resolved most of our problems today. That was a heist taking advantage of a divided town.

Irt Believer lynch I think we were at 3 votes each and I wasn't about to die. That's more than enough town reason for me to vote him alongside the fact that I didn't have him pegged for being town at all.

Nynaeve · October 8, 2016

Official Vote count

Tiinker (1): Besie

Besie (1): Tiinker

Not voting (4): The rest of you lot.

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Pralaya · October 8, 2016

I'll disagree about Zander for reasons I've already stated a number of times, his game did not appear towny to me. End of day maybe, but it was already too late for that. Your reasoning on Besie beginning the Calder train was my exact reason for scumreading her early on in the first place after N1.

Yeah, you did talk about that to Believer who you voted for bringing the point up. I disagreed with your read on Zander even around that time, I believe.

You went from the below to Zander in D1 without much progression. Calder and Zander ended up being the two lynches for the day

[v]Calder[/v]

[v]Zander[/v]

I'm bouncing for the night.

Both of them came without any explanation why you scumread them. Very easy as wolf to do.

Nowhere among the posts between the Calder and Zander votes has any reason why you found zander scummy all of a sudden.

I found the whole progression kind of unnatural and opportunistic.

Pralaya · October 8, 2016

You found Zander scummy in the early part of D1 and he looked better EoD?

That's exactly opposite of what happened.

You had Zander townie a day before the deadline. And then you voted Zander EoD. Your narrative is completely off.

1. Zander - Doesn’t seem too different from the town games I’ve seen from him but someone give me some scum games of his to read cause I lack experience.

2. Darthe - snarky and sassy as always. From the scum game we played I remember him taking a more logical piece by piece approach over throwing out thoughts which is what he’s doing here so I think this fits more of his town meta.

3. Dice - Always seems like scum to me but I’m getting used to it. The call out on me on page 25, notably post #488, was pretty bad for him. Seems to me he skimmed it, thought of a potentially plausible reason to call me out when I was already getting heat, and then messed up.

“I didn’t like you backing off your vote on Zander.” Lol, I voted him off wrong information what in the hell was I supposed to do? His reply #636 “backing off” was also bad. I could vote him today.

4. Monstr - A lot of talk about what town does/should do and what scum does/should do. Think he was more pissed off at the fact that I wasn’t taking him seriously which could happen in both alignments but I think it’s more likely he genuinely was trying to scum hunt and felt like his effort was being wasted.

His later posts like #533 read well to me and it’s good content.

5. Hellian

6. Kat/Pral

7. Besie - Comes off nervously. Feels like she’s crafting her posts carefully and her nervousness is almost seeping through it. Is she just a nervous player can someone confirm? Or was she trying to be seen in a certain way.

Post #385 clarifies this for me slightly but doesn’t make me comfortable with it. #476 I generally do not like this kind of reads list. I’m not here for a summary and the wording of the summary is unhelpful but unfortunately it seems like this is something that both a nervous but engaged town would do and a scum looking to “contribute”.

8. Nego - #103 Lol what is this post. I can’t tell if it’s serious and you actually town read him for this. #387 is also weird considering Nego has made plenty of his own irrelevant posts. Seems like a weird thing to point out. #449 also seems weird. #453 “will continue his catch up” except he’s already caught up? Just seems permanently disjointed.

9. Sooh - some town vibes. Not many, but they’re there. I haven’t played a game with her where she’s been scum but she seems comfortable and has claimed to “suck” at being scum. Her general posting makes her seem town to me more often than not so I’ll remain vigilante.

10. Believer - Slight town lean. I’m judging mainly from his progression between the games he’s played on DM and it seems like the trend he’s taking is one of a player adjusting to meta on a new site with new people. He’s been town in both games I’ve played with him here and has played two very different games so while it’s kind of pointless for me to consider those games individually I’m leaning town on him here because it seems he’s actively adapting to play a different type of town game since his last game was negatively received.

Town game 1 - Incredibly active and aggressive posting style
Town game 2 - Low volume, low content for D1 and punished for it after
Game 3 - While doesn’t have the energy for a repeat of game 1 realises that activity early is valued here and has already surpassed the amount of content he’d provided in game 2.

All in all.. Eh. Effort is there to get involved though.

12. Calder - #190. I think this is a scummy post. Agreeing with someone + giving some general information about how town plays is non-contributory and I’ve seen scum do this 1000 times. This is the biggest tell imo.

13. Nolder

Your only mention of Zander is acknowledging what others were saying about him

Zander your posts to me come off very irritated, which is not an emotion I associate at all with your town game when questioned.

Zander def a wolf here. Theres no tunnel, and no fire.

Does anyone think theres a chance in hell that he quotes my post where I vote him without any stated reason and he says its not wolfy??

Yeeeee

Tiinker · October 8, 2016

There had been 200+ posts between those statements.

Tiinker · October 8, 2016

12. Calder - #190. I think this is a scummy post. Agreeing with someone + giving some general information about how town plays is non-contributory and I’ve seen scum do this 1000 times. This is the biggest tell imo.

If I had to call a scum team now it'd be Calder, Dice and Nego.

That's not fair, I gave my reasons here and I also voted him before he had any heat. This was a vote based on my reads and it was justified. I'm also pretty sure I said I felt better about him afterwards and had no participation on his train.

Pralaya · October 8, 2016

There had been 200+ posts between those statements.

Yeah, from others.

I am not talking about your vote on Calder. I am taking about your progression on Zander, between the time you voted Calder and then voted Zander at EoD.

Tiinker · October 8, 2016

There had been 200+ posts between those statements.

Yeah, from others.

I am not talking about your vote on Calder. I am taking about your progression on Zander, between the time you voted Calder and then voted Zander at EoD.

Yeah from others including Zander.

[Basic] Pirates of the Caribbean (Curse of the Black Pearl) Game Thread - D2

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