Grim Frostbitten Scumlust -- MAFIA WINS

[Cory Caboose]

 

Are you kidding me? You showed up yesterday like a day late and barked at everyone that you have like 45 mins and they have to answer right there and then. And now you're lecturing Cory about being rude. Just... no words. lol

Last night I had three CorNyn questions. He was right there and posted and didn't answer. So really, it is different. 

 

I really don't want to deal with this right now. 

 

 

 

 

 

Are you kidding me? You showed up yesterday like a day late and barked at everyone that you have like 45 mins and they have to answer right there and then. And now you're lecturing Cory about being rude. Just... no words. lol

Last night I had three CorNyn questions. He was right there and posted and didn't answer. So really, it is different.

 

I really don't want to deal with this right now.

I don't recall seeing him there.

 

 

This is an extraordinarily villagery post from Darthe.

 

It demonstrates one thing majorly: instant recall.

 

Darthe, at this point, has been mostly suspecting me. However he IMMEDIATELY reacts to a post from Laine about me not answering her questions (it's a three minute difference, but Darthe has two posts inbetween that and this so he clearly wasn't thinking about it, he will still reading up). Why is this important?

 

> He has read the thread well enough to have confidence on who posted when. Darthe is correct; I was very sparse last night.

 

> He has no trouble refuting evidence that supports his read if he feels the evidence is without merit. He's not looking for validation, he wants a sincerely brought together read.

It's completely unnecessary for him to dismiss Alanna's point as a wolf.

 

Think he's a villager in general but this was big for me.

[Cory Caboose]

Through 20:

 

Hallia

Sooh

Alanna

 

Kat

Darthe

 

Crusher

Dice

 

NotBob

Graendal

 

Lenlo

Pral

 

Tiinker

[Cory Caboose]

What do you make out of her response that she finds her own post scummy? It is things like that that pings me.

 

This is one of those wolf giveaway traits I see all the time. Saying something like "It is things like that that ping me" shows that the player is very conscious of what they believe they "should" be pointing this. I remember a part of my case on BFG in spirited away was about something she said that was like "I think Sili is town because he is aggressive and I tend to think he's town when he's aggressive" or something like that. The problem was villagers don't think about what they are supposed to think when they are a villager and just think.

[Cory Caboose]

 

It's the sort of thing I say sometimes without thinking of how other folks might take it. I try and look at intent and meaning more than words nowadays and that makes sense to me, recognizing you're own lack of self awareness sort of.

Which is fine if the posts is outright scummy. Lot of people do that and post without thinking

 

The post I am talking about - this one - is completely different. It looks carefully constructed. There is nothing scummy about it in the face of it. But, that's exactly what I would generally see someone make to look good.

 

 

His game is all about that Sooh read.

 

That Sooh read that's identical to a read he just made as a villager in a previous game. He's copying himself.

 

Not good, Pral.

[Cory Caboose]

One thing my reread clarified is how goddamn villagery Alanna has actually been this game.

 

She's moving, the gears are turning, she's reaching outward. She had a late start and she's been a little prickly but her head is in the game.

[Shad_]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

Katiora (1): Sooh

Corny (1): Crusher

Alanna (1): Lenlo

Tiink (1): Corny

 

Not Voting: Darthe, Tiinker, Hallia, Pralaya, Katiora, Corny, GF, NotBob, Dice, Alanna

 

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

 

[Cory Caboose]

 

 

 

It's the sort of thing I say sometimes without thinking of how other folks might take it. I try and look at intent and meaning more than words nowadays and that makes sense to me, recognizing you're own lack of self awareness sort of.

Which is fine if the posts is outright scummy. Lot of people do that and post without thinking

 

The post I am talking about - this one - is completely different. It looks carefully constructed. There is nothing scummy about it in the face of it. But, that's exactly what I would generally see someone make to look good.

 

 

Maybe blend is the wrong word, but Pral put it pretty perfectly over here. I don't have too much to add to it.

 

 

 

Tink, youre up! Wheres your head irt to the current laya/sooh conversation?

 

 

Dont think either of them come of as town to my eyes though.

 

Tiinker agrees with Pral multiple times re: Sooh but when asked straight up by Darthe he is quick to dismiss any possible townread on him.

 

I think they both might be wolves straight up.

[Cory Caboose]

 

I appreciate the answer

 

Anything ring false to you so far?

Ive already pointed it out, but Alanna feels iffy to me. I agree with what Hallia as said irt what she comments on, her focus on people mentioning her hatred for wolf slots. Since hallia has been seeing the same things as me, I have moved her up.

 

Prals posts have also moved him up, cause well hes posting, and they havnt been bad posts. GF bugs me cause I have no idea what to expect from her. Ive seen her in D&D forum, and she confuses me there, so im null on her atm. Just no idea how to read even her regular posts. Darhte would be slightly town to null. I wouldnt fight his lynch, but I wouldnt support it. 

 

Crusher has moved down cause I would just like to see... anything relevant really. I dont know what hes normally like, but this game hes standing out to me as doing nothing. Especially once the content started rolling in. Tiink bugged me with his threat to "Anyone who says they play like X" or whatever post. That read disingenuous to me. Already mentioned Sooh and her relationship to Laine. dice looks fine. Notbob is nonexistent.

 

 

Lenlo has some posts I like (#523, #518, #53) and a handful I don't (#29, #191, #516, something else I forgot to mark).

 

Not sure how I feel about his take on Pral here yet. Have trouble getting a bead on him.

[Cory Caboose]

You seemed to approach this game so chipper and happy, and what I find when I read back is just who you are basically.

 

One of the reasons I wanted you to read back is because I've always been very proud of how well you read me Poot.

 

You get me <3

[Cory Caboose]

CorNyn - probably town; not going to dig into the reasons since it's probably concensus anyways

 

Dice - probably town, I'm liking his tone primarily and he seems really upfront when he posts

 

Sooh - null with townish lean for tone earlier d1

 

Kat - was townish on my list (I don't remember why) but I don't recall much from her today so I dunno. I know it's almost the weekend and she wont be around. Might have to go back and see what exactly I liked for me to move her up

 

Darthe - likely town - doesn't feel shifty - likely v/v with CorNyn

 

Tiinker - null, don't know how to read him, have liked most his posts thus far

 

Pral - also have liked posts, but unsure/mixed

 

GF and NB - totally null???

 

Crusher - didn't understand his beef with Cory, also he's kind of dropped off, possible scum lean

 

Hallia - null/townish maybe - she picked up a bit from where I was at a the beginning

 

Lenlo - not overly impressed right now, scummish nullish lean

 

This is a phenomenal list.

[Cory Caboose]

Caught up fully.

 

Where I'm at:

 

Hallia

Alanna

Sooh

 

Darthe

Katiora

 

Dice

Crusher

 

~~~ THE LINE ~~~

 

NotBob

Graendal

Lenlo

 

Pralaya

 

Tiinker

 

</zandermode>

 

Getting some sleep, let's talk this over tomorrow

[Cory Caboose]

dice if you post in the next few minutes i'll stay up to chat with you 

 

i'm so very lonely

[dicetosser1]

im here and just caught up

\

 

posts incoming

[dicetosser1]

@dice let me know what you're thinking re: wolves next time you're around?

 

 

What ive really been noticing are towny things more then scummy things.

 

my list would look like

 

GF

 

Hallia   that post of hallia at alanna just SCREAMS town. Refuse to vote here

 

Nyncor   Corys kinda doing his collect town thing but its not in high gear fully. NYN however is whats got me reading town on them. Shes happy shes playful and flirty. I may have been wrong about alanna but I KNOW nyn prefers town. Right now id almost be able to guess her role i think

 

Darthe   that back and forth with cory. I thought Darthe was good in it. I could understand where he was coming from, he wasnt being weird. Town leaning

 

lenlo    again his back and forth with cory  not AS sold as on darthe  

 

 

Crusher I liked from what I saw but there really wasnt enuff to make a read on on someone i dont know very well

 

 

Sooh   leaning scum. Her post strike me as more formal, kinda mechanical. After seeing her town it up a fair bit recently this doesnt feel the same

 

Pral kinda backed up what I said about alanna   but I actually dont really like that he did. kinda feels like a pile on  scum lean

 

 

Alanna   her tone has been aggressive and angry all game and its making me think bad thoughts. But I also have a twinge that im wrong. I COULD vote here but wont be at all surprised if she was indeed town. Want to put her off til D2 so i can see more

 

tiinker   there was something he said i liked but i cant for the life of me remember it which is a bad sign.  no idea here

 

 

kat  null  done nothing really   notbob the same

 

 

did i miss anyone?

 

 

 

They need to get it up. (Their post counts)

 

I can tell you what to do with your post counts.

[Pralaya]

LOL, this is going to be her another game where Cory makes some random observations and theories to convince his mind that I am wolf. Not the first, not the last.

[Cory Caboose]

That's not really a great response.

Prove me wrong.

[Cory Caboose]

I mean I'd say "gotta start somewhere", but I feel pretty damn good about that reads list for where I'm at.

 

I think I'm seeing things correctly.

[dicetosser1]

That's not really a great response.

Prove me wrong.

 

i assume this was at pral?

[Pralaya]

 

What do you make out of her response that she finds her own post scummy? It is things like that that pings me.

This is one of those wolf giveaway traits I see all the time. Saying something like "It is things like that that ping me" shows that the player is very conscious of what they believe they "should" be pointing this. I remember a part of my case on BFG in spirited away was about something she said that was like "I think Sili is town because he is aggressive and I tend to think he's town when he's aggressive" or something like that. The problem was villagers don't think about what they are supposed to think when they are a villager and just think.

Theories like this that doesn't make any sense. It is easily something a town would also say. I don't see how you are connecting with the BFG case. This is just a direct statement of why I find sooh scummy

[Cory Caboose]

Indeed

[dicetosser1]

Pral id have to say that statements like  It is things like that that pings me. dont really say ANYTHING. its thjings like this?  what things?

[Cory Caboose]

Just a verbal tick I see wolves do a lot

 

Where they are assessing how others believe they think and trying to vocalize it as opposed to just working things out independently

 

But it's not the only reason i have you as a wolf.

[Pralaya]

 

 

 

 

His game is all about that Sooh read.

 

That Sooh read that's identical to a read he just made as a villager in a previous game. He's copying himself.

 

Not good, Pral.

 

Just like you have your theories, I have mine. In my experience, scum wouldn't be overly aggressive on d1. These are things I observe. It is not a conference I made similar reads in another game. Again, random observation from you

[Cory Caboose]

I mean could you be a villager? Sure. There's 5 people on my "line" for a reason, because we have room for error and lord knows I ain't perfect.

 

That doesn't change that I have reasons to believe 11 players in this game are more likely to be a villager than you are.

[Pralaya]

Pral id have to say that statements like It is things like that that pings me. dont really say ANYTHING. its thjings like this? what things?

It is there in the whole conversation with Darthe. Taking this post in isolation didn't help.