[Basic] Disney Heroes vs. Villains Mafia C9++ Town Wins

[Shad_]

Need to pick up top of p58, not looking forward to this DL but not much I can do about it.

[Songstress]

All right lovely peoples... night person mod is about to force herself to go to bed before midnight for once.  I'll be back in less than 8 hours, morning person mod hopefully sooner.  If you break it, you buy it, and no, you can't have the keys to the car.  

[Believer]

All right lovely peoples... night person mod is about to force herself to go to bed before midnight for once.  I'll be back in less than 8 hours, morning person mod hopefully sooner.  If you break it, you buy it, and no, you can't have the keys to the car.  

But mom! :(

[Cass]

 

 

 

 

For a meta reference point, these were the early game posts that had me wanting to lynch town!Believer for a long time in Star Fox. His comments are in bold. Posting style has changed but I don't think his mentality in that game is drastically different from how he went at Penny early: 

 

 

 

I like NAC so far, slight town lean.

Really?His posts actually struck me as buddying and then doing a poor job of covering it up.

If having a town read and stating it in the thread is buddying, sure. What post of mine is it that you see as covering up anything?

Your whole exchange regarding the questions to moderator in the thread.The fact that you ask for a specific post rather than more generally asking what was wrong is deeply scummy to me. Your reaction to this reads to me like: I screwed up, where did I screw up?! Tell me!.[v]NAC[/v]

 

How does anything in that exchange seem to you like I'm covering up something?That's why I asked for specific post, since something must have given you the impression, but I can't see what that would had been. So it's interesting to see if it's something you're just making up because you think it sounds good, or if there's actually something you can point out.

I'll indulge you with an example post.You seem to be covering up that you made a tell on someone with weak info from thread. Of course scum would know an innocent so clearing them early gives easy townie-points. You made a town read with poor information and got called for it.In the post above [removed for broken tags] it looks as if you think that the question-to-mod-in-thread dance should be done every game and that the first person who does it gets a townie read, but once it has been pointed out it doesn't apply anymore.All in all, reads scum to me.

I think there's a key difference though. There he started with interaction ITT/voicing a single hunch before voting. And then he fleshed out his thoughts directly with NAC and I don't think he ever pushed hard for others to vote that way either.

His case on Penny didn't happen like that at all and read as more agenda driven. I still can't figure out if that was scummy or an aggressive Town way of driving the game forward. He seemed serious about pushing votes her way. It bothers me that he did this so strongly knowing Penny's meta as 'scummy when Town'/easy mislynch.

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I take any pushes of me in these categories

1. It's Alette/Celeste/Penny/random nickname of me she's an easy lynch! Proceeds to push.

2. Who is this player?! Every thing she says is scummy. *votes with reason*

3. It's *place the names in bullet one*, I NEVER UNDERSTAND HER! I'm going to lynch her for the sake of my own sanity and town.

I forgot to say that I think believer is in bullet 1 or 2 which is why he is null until more info can be obtained.

 

 

*Headdesk followed by :D* Post 1 here from Penny was possi-Penny Scum, but IMO clarification post shows good chance of PennyTown.

 

@ Penny, I just lost a whole reply to your first post here asking you why you hadn't given an opinion, and saying that I have him between 1 and 2 (With 1 generally being wolfy and 2 being usually understandable as Town/potentially abusable by Wolf).

 

My issue is this:

 

I don't think you say 1, as a wolf, and acknowledge in another post that you interpret that player's meta as 'scummy when town'/'easy mislynch'. Unless derp or going for derp clear. I'm considering that sort of inconsistency potentially comes from bold play style and Towny honesty in both posts.

 

But I don't think you push 2 as Town, knowing your lynch choice is easily misread as scum, and push people to vote there if it's not a reaction test.

 

Gut pushes me towards null-scum but it's early, possible personality and there's enough potential Town so I'm not going to push it today.

 

 

 

 

But given how he has only played one game with me bullet 1 is the most accurate and usually used by scum or for ahaha Alette is <3 but going to lynch her to humor myself. Ok this is seriously not proactive for me.

 

-_-

 

Why'd you add the bold? What's not proactive? Is this a RL reference, or related to the game?

 

I'd say only having played one game with you makes bullet 2 > bullet 1. Bullet 1 as you describe it there and above implies familiarity.

[Cass]

 

@AJ - why was Believer ruling out his Celeste case as a reaction test something that made you shift him down, away from Town?

I didn't do that, though.

 

 

For a second there I thought you were AJ and went to hunt for the quote.

 

So you're saying it was a reaction test?

 

If so, what did you gain from it?

 

And why not clear that up when you addressed AJ moving you down for it? Instead of now, after I've mentioned that would have been the more understandably Towny thing to do?

[Believer]

 

 

@AJ - why was Believer ruling out his Celeste case as a reaction test something that made you shift him down, away from Town?

I didn't do that, though.

 

 

For a second there I thought you were AJ and went to hunt for the quote.

 

So you're saying it was a reaction test?

 

If so, what did you gain from it?

 

And why not clear that up when you addressed AJ moving you down for it? Instead of now, after I've mentioned that would have been the more understandably Towny thing to do?

 

I'm saying it wasn't a reaction test, am I reading this wrong? English isn't my first language.

[Cass]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

Celeste (1): Lenlo

Believer (2): Andrej, Dice

Cass (1): Tiink

Darooh (3): Wildfire, Celeste, Shander

Sili (4): Cass, Believer, Darooh, Sili

Tiinker (1): Nynlia

 

Not Voting (1): Katiora

 

Sili is at L-3

 

It takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline for Day 1 is 8:00 AM PDT/11:00 AM EDT on Friday, 8/19/16.

 

Currently not a fan of leading/top three trains for D1 lynch. Caveat - I'm not caught up past page ?50.

 

Cliffs pls?

[Believer]

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

Celeste (1): Lenlo

Believer (2): Andrej, Dice

Cass (1): Tiink

Darooh (3): Wildfire, Celeste, Shander

Sili (4): Cass, Believer, Darooh, Sili

Tiinker (1): Nynlia

 

Not Voting (1): Katiora

 

Sili is at L-3

 

It takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline for Day 1 is 8:00 AM PDT/11:00 AM EDT on Friday, 8/19/16.

 

Currently not a fan of leading/top three trains for D1 lynch. Caveat - I'm not caught up past page ?50.

 

Cliffs pls?

 

I'm lock town, listen to everything I say.

[Cass]

WRT trains

 

Did the Darooh case ever go beyond low post count? / Darthe being D1 troll? I had both those things as null. I've seen Town!Sooh quiet on D1, they both mentioned being short on time and hence hydra in sign-ups so that doesn't bother me. And there were a couple of posts from Darthe that could have been indicative of him actually analysing things in the background, eg one where he asked everyone how much I'd played recently.

 

I remember Celeste's reason for the vote, but not WiFi or Shad's. Kinda feel like this is a crappy/too easy place to vote D1.

 

Believer would give more info, but again, Town potential/watching this space.

 

WTF is Sili voting himself?

 

[v]unvote[/v] for now

 

Based on earlier impressions I'd probably feel safest voting Tink, but I acknowledge that's a stale read.

 

Not sure how much time I'll have at station tonight but I'll try and get a vote in before deadline.

 

 

@DARTHE - Where were you going with your question re my games? In case you're still interested and actually going to make read from it. I played Star Fox and several Turbos on MU and Tress' Warcraft game this year. All Town except 2 Turbos :D. Links to MU games here, Star Fox not entered.

[Believer]

WRT trains

 

Did the Darooh case ever go beyond low post count? / Darthe being D1 troll? I had both those things as null. I've seen Town!Sooh quiet on D1, they both mentioned being short on time and hence hydra in sign-ups so that doesn't bother me. And there were a couple of posts from Darthe that could have been indicative of him actually analysing things in the background, eg one where he asked everyone how much I'd played recently.

 

I remember Celeste's reason for the vote, but not WiFi or Shad's. Kinda feel like this is a crappy/too easy place to vote D1.

 

Believer would give more info, but again, Town potential/watching this space.

 

WTF is Sili voting himself?

 

[v]unvote[/v] for now

 

Based on earlier impressions I'd probably feel safest voting Tink, but I acknowledge that's a stale read.

 

Not sure how much time I'll have at station tonight but I'll try and get a vote in before deadline.

 

 

@DARTHE - Where were you going with your question re my games? In case you're still interested and actually going to make read from it. I played Star Fox and several Turbos on MU and Tress' Warcraft game this year. All Town except 2 Turbos :D. Links to MU games here, Star Fox not entered.

Responding to bolded parts.

 

Read my ISO if you want my reasons for suspecting Sooh at the time. Or I'll elaborate, if you want.

 

What info can I give you? Don't understand that line.

[Cass]

 

 

 

@AJ - why was Believer ruling out his Celeste case as a reaction test something that made you shift him down, away from Town?

I didn't do that, though.

 

 

For a second there I thought you were AJ and went to hunt for the quote.

 

So you're saying it was a reaction test?

 

If so, what did you gain from it?

 

And why not clear that up when you addressed AJ moving you down for it? Instead of now, after I've mentioned that would have been the more understandably Towny thing to do?

 

I'm saying it wasn't a reaction test, am I reading this wrong? English isn't my first language.

 

 

Ok and yes. General gist: AJ moved you from Town to null and afaict his reasoning included the fact that you were claiming the Celeste case was not a reaction test. I've given my thoughts on that, have taken Shad's logic into account, I want to see AJ's thought process fleshed out.

 

 

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

Celeste (1): Lenlo

Believer (2): Andrej, Dice

Cass (1): Tiink

Darooh (3): Wildfire, Celeste, Shander

Sili (4): Cass, Believer, Darooh, Sili

Tiinker (1): Nynlia

 

Not Voting (1): Katiora

 

Sili is at L-3

 

It takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline for Day 1 is 8:00 AM PDT/11:00 AM EDT on Friday, 8/19/16.

 

Currently not a fan of leading/top three trains for D1 lynch. Caveat - I'm not caught up past page ?50.

 

Cliffs pls?

 

I'm lock town, listen to everything I say.

 

 

Sure thing, quiet Zander.

(but also, my brain can't handle these type of posts, please don't).

[Believer]

Toooooooooown... TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWN.... *spooky voice*

[Believer]

I am though, never doubt me.

[Cass]

 

WRT trains

 

Did the Darooh case ever go beyond low post count? / Darthe being D1 troll? I had both those things as null. I've seen Town!Sooh quiet on D1, they both mentioned being short on time and hence hydra in sign-ups so that doesn't bother me. And there were a couple of posts from Darthe that could have been indicative of him actually analysing things in the background, eg one where he asked everyone how much I'd played recently.

 

I remember Celeste's reason for the vote, but not WiFi or Shad's. Kinda feel like this is a crappy/too easy place to vote D1.

 

Believer would give more info, but again, Town potential/watching this space.

 

WTF is Sili voting himself?

 

[v]unvote[/v] for now

 

Based on earlier impressions I'd probably feel safest voting Tink, but I acknowledge that's a stale read.

 

Not sure how much time I'll have at station tonight but I'll try and get a vote in before deadline.

 

 

@DARTHE - Where were you going with your question re my games? In case you're still interested and actually going to make read from it. I played Star Fox and several Turbos on MU and Tress' Warcraft game this year. All Town except 2 Turbos :D. Links to MU games here, Star Fox not entered.

Responding to bolded parts.

 

Read my ISO if you want my reasons for suspecting Sooh at the time. Or I'll elaborate, if you want.

 

What info can I give you? Don't understand that line.

 

 

Sorry, rushing as getting close to late for work. That line is about your potential lynch/you being a leading train. I think your flip could be helpful in considering other alignments since you've generated a lot of discussion, but I don't like that being the main reason for the lynch while I'm undecided/considering town potential.

 

May not have time to ISO later, so was after a recap of reasons if anyone was around.

[Believer]

 

 

 

WRT trains

 

Did the Darooh case ever go beyond low post count? / Darthe being D1 troll? I had both those things as null. I've seen Town!Sooh quiet on D1, they both mentioned being short on time and hence hydra in sign-ups so that doesn't bother me. And there were a couple of posts from Darthe that could have been indicative of him actually analysing things in the background, eg one where he asked everyone how much I'd played recently.

 

I remember Celeste's reason for the vote, but not WiFi or Shad's. Kinda feel like this is a crappy/too easy place to vote D1.

 

Believer would give more info, but again, Town potential/watching this space.

 

WTF is Sili voting himself?

 

[v]unvote[/v] for now

 

Based on earlier impressions I'd probably feel safest voting Tink, but I acknowledge that's a stale read.

 

Not sure how much time I'll have at station tonight but I'll try and get a vote in before deadline.

 

 

@DARTHE - Where were you going with your question re my games? In case you're still interested and actually going to make read from it. I played Star Fox and several Turbos on MU and Tress' Warcraft game this year. All Town except 2 Turbos :D. Links to MU games here, Star Fox not entered.

Responding to bolded parts.

 

Read my ISO if you want my reasons for suspecting Sooh at the time. Or I'll elaborate, if you want.

 

What info can I give you? Don't understand that line.

 

 

 

Sorry, rushing as getting close to late for work. That line is about your potential lynch/you being a leading train. I think your flip could be helpful in considering other alignments since you've generated a lot of discussion, but I don't like that being the main reason for the lynch while I'm undecided/considering town potential.

 

May not have time to ISO later, so was after a recap of reasons if anyone was around.

 

Sooh is scum for not scumreading me.

 

Sili is scum for the long exchange he/she had with me, you really need to read it for yourself since it was so long.

[Sili Quirrels]

Now its because of a long exchange?

[Believer]

Now its because of a long exchange?

Wasn't it always?

[Tiinker]

 

 

What bothers me somewhat is that I'm scum reading both Sili and Tiinker, and I feel like it's a bit too easy. They have defended one another and Tiink jumped on Sili's Cass read far too easily. I am not sure it makes sense that they as a scum team would tie themselves together so openly.

uh, how have i defended tinker by giving him a town read? and any villager can read me town just as easily as a wolf. it depends on whether you believe their reads are genuine i think.

 

honestly i don't even remember why tinker is town reading me. i believe he was with me in arguing about the absurdity of believer's reads though, although believer was totally off his rockers so he seemed totally in the right.

 

I would go back and find examples of places where I feel you two have been oddly in tune with one another while simultaneously off key with the rest of the thread, except I've just read the majority of this thread and I really don't feel like doing it again. At least not right now. Possibly later. I'll consider it.

 

 

My thoughts on Cass were that she gave the most generic reads of anybody so far. Detailed or not it's like she picked the most obvious path in her thought process in determining each and every player. Felt odd at first because in that way the post was pretty much useless and on a second look it solidified a viewpoint that she might be scum. Don't know what's so hard to decipher in that. If you think the timing was odd then I don't know what to tell ya.

 

Also Believer seems to have taken a step back now after trying to sheep everyone. You can call it being in tune but I don't think I was agreeing with Sili as much as I was noting how Believer was trying to herd the crowd to his conclusion by providing people with no-win situations (agree with me or scum). 

 

 

 

I just see Wifi as being more careful as scum, and if she was scum and knew that we (darooh) isn't on her team she would have seen that it was a joke.

 

 

My thoughts on Wifi summed up. Maybe I'm being played since I haven't played a game with her but she doesn't comes off as malicious in any way so far.

 

 

 

Where is Tiink btw? He's been very scarce.

 

That's a very good question.

 

 

This was taking place past midnight for me (currently in France). Am I the only non-US in this game? Sooh states she's from Norway but she seems to sleep on US time all the same.

 

 

 

f--- it im done. [unvote] [v]sili[/v]

 

bye.

 

LMAO

 

 

Other game thoughts so far? Honestly, having a hard time placing hydras since I've never played with one before and obviously haven't got the methodology down. Shad seems town, Zander's contribution is like 1:100 in regards to posts with substance and spam, so what am I supposed to think? Someone help me out with this. I'm going to agree with Nyn on AJ's current situation being strange. Calling me out on my vote has merit if you buy that much into joke votes but then he forgets about it and doesn't mention it at all. I'd think he was trying to get the game rolling as town but then he just packs up and leaves. Mafia has got to exert more effort so I think he's more likely scum who cbf anymore. If he was town he would've lazily voiced his thoughts. 

 

[unvote] [v]AJ[/v] thought I'd also be tempted to swap my vote onto Celeste cause of her easy defence of Sili after the fire starting dying plus her false vote.

[Tiinker]

If you've played a game of mafia before you know how quick things can shift. Why do people peace out 24 hours before and say they'll be back before the deadline maybe? I think that's a pretty crappy thing to do and comes off as scummy since it seems like you just bank on people not voting you cause "no info".

[Tiinker]

Unvote

 

I think I was flashing back to mine and Sili's fight

 

 

I'm the first to admit if I'm wrong.  I went back as far as my Star Wars game.  

 

Zander if you are very confident that he's not scum, we'll switch to

 

Vote: Tiink

 

because also sketch - I would still lynch Sili personally though.

 

If I throw a tantrum will you unvote me?

[Sili Quirrels]

 

Now its because of a long exchange?

Wasn't it always?

If it was i didnt know

 

The rational is nevertheless arbitrary.

[Tiinker]

If you've played a game of mafia before you know how quick things can shift. Why do people peace out 24 hours before and say they'll be back before the deadline maybe? I think that's a pretty crappy thing to do and comes off as scummy since it seems like you just bank on people not voting you cause "no info".

 

Specifically what I mean by this is saying that you won't be around til deadline leaves people little to no chance to gain anything new about you and is telling.

[Believer]

Also Believer seems to have taken a step back now after trying to sheep everyone. You can call it being in tune but I don't think I was agreeing with Sili as much as I was noting how Believer was trying to herd the crowd to his conclusion by providing people with no-win situations (agree with me or scum).

I never said that people who don't agree with me are scum.

 

Don't put words in my mouth, that's scummy.

[Believer]

 

 

Now its because of a long exchange?

Wasn't it always?

 

If it was i didnt know

 

The rational is nevertheless arbitrary.

 

Mafia cases are by definition arbitrary, which means subjective. It will only become objective when you flip scum.

[Tiinker]

@ Tiink were you keeping up with LoEG before you subbed in or is this pretty much the first game of Mafia in ages that you've been involved in from D1?

 

I only read up on it after I subbed in.