[Basic] I <3 the 90's Mafia: Music Edition - TOWN WINS!

[Zander?]

I have no read on Darthe.  He's firmly in my POE because he's done nothing to remove himself, and he's nowhere near the bottom because he hasn't done anything to draw my suspicion.  I won't vote him over Lenlo, Tina, Zander, and maybe throw Lily in there, but I'd CFD his ass in a heart beat if the counterwagon was one of the people I mentioned earlier.

 

Hallia I feel good about.  There's not a single post I would say couldn't come from Hallia as mafia, but her entire game total makes me feel good about her.  She's taken a few pretty strong stances, and none of her reasons seemed scummy or that they couldn't be genuine.  Her post about Alanna's stfu comment sounded REALLY pure to me.

 

Didint you say i was trending up?  Or ask it...you didnt answer my question on it.

[Zander?]

Also, Zander, now that I'm actually going through and not meta/tone reading you off for your entrances, can you respond to what I've asked?

 

I have questions that I'm posting in around an hour

 

Have I missed any youve already asked?

 

Cause Im pretty sure ive already dissected your crappy posts irt me.

[Clovdyx]

 

I have no read on Darthe.  He's firmly in my POE because he's done nothing to remove himself, and he's nowhere near the bottom because he hasn't done anything to draw my suspicion.  I won't vote him over Lenlo, Tina, Zander, and maybe throw Lily in there, but I'd CFD his ass in a heart beat if the counterwagon was one of the people I mentioned earlier.

 

Hallia I feel good about.  There's not a single post I would say couldn't come from Hallia as mafia, but her entire game total makes me feel good about her.  She's taken a few pretty strong stances, and none of her reasons seemed scummy or that they couldn't be genuine.  Her post about Alanna's stfu comment sounded REALLY pure to me.

 

Didint you say i was trending up?  Or ask it...you didnt answer my question on it.

 

 

It was a thought.  And to be fair, you probably were/are.  But I can't ignore what essentially breaks down to an entire thread full of things that make me doubt you in favor of a couple of pretty good posts to the point that I'm more comfortable lynching somebody that's completely inactive.  

[Lenlo]

Lenlo pls

Reads is what you asked for right?

[Sili Quirrels]

 

Lenlo pls

Reads is what you asked for right?

 

[Zander?]

 

 

I have no read on Darthe.  He's firmly in my POE because he's done nothing to remove himself, and he's nowhere near the bottom because he hasn't done anything to draw my suspicion.  I won't vote him over Lenlo, Tina, Zander, and maybe throw Lily in there, but I'd CFD his ass in a heart beat if the counterwagon was one of the people I mentioned earlier.

 

Hallia I feel good about.  There's not a single post I would say couldn't come from Hallia as mafia, but her entire game total makes me feel good about her.  She's taken a few pretty strong stances, and none of her reasons seemed scummy or that they couldn't be genuine.  Her post about Alanna's stfu comment sounded REALLY pure to me.

 

Didint you say i was trending up?  Or ask it...you didnt answer my question on it.

 

 

It was a thought.  And to be fair, you probably were/are.  But I can't ignore what essentially breaks down to an entire thread full of things that make me doubt you in favor of a couple of pretty good posts to the point that I'm more comfortable lynching somebody that's completely inactive.  

 

 

Ok I just wanted you to answer the question.

 

Thank you.

[Lenlo]

 

 

Lenlo pls

Reads is what you asked for right?

 

 

Can I not confirm what it is she wants?

[wish-tree]

 

Also, Zander, now that I'm actually going through and not meta/tone reading you off for your entrances, can you respond to what I've asked?

 

I have questions that I'm posting in around an hour

 

Have I missed any youve already asked?

 

Cause Im pretty sure ive already dissected your crappy posts irt me.

 

I asked you what your meta on BFG was, you said she wasn't out of her scum range yet. I see the other responses you wrote me, but a lot of them don't really answer my question. instead, you sort of just call my observations bad and attack my game play for that. One instance that is particularly notable is your comment about how I shouldn't suck this much as either town or mafia, after seeing me play in WoW.

[BFG]

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-1/page-51?do=findComment&comment=3663480 (part 1ish sorta)

 

 

Interestingly you point out one of the posts I had an issue with, there's no value in saying that Dice called me town as well, and saying I'm not out of mafia range is sort of redundant at this stage. In itself doesn't mean much, but as a stand alone post I didn't like it.

 

However what's the point in asking 'why choose the posts you respond to?'

 

More importantly, you quote me saying 'catch' up and give a lengthy analysis of what you think I mean by it and yet in the same post you quote me saying it's because he read ahead and so isn't reading it raw...

The point in why choose the posts you respond to is more something irt Zander's meta. This is my main problem with him, as I've stated before. As scum there's a definite delay, and there's really no order to what or who he pushes, just tons of little jabs everywhere. Here, I'm seeing a similar thing, which is why I asked the question. If Zander can explain why he chose what he did, that would make me able to reevaluate just in case I'm wrong on him. I also want to see if he can explain it, which I doubt he can. The post that you just pointed out was one of the posts that I didn't think there's a towny reason for him to point out, I don't know why he chose it out of the other posts at the time, and it feels like an implicit push on you without actually building a case or solidifying anything. That's why I noted it.

 

Another thing, lol, is that I don't do these analyses in order, I marked down the "read ahead and reading it raw" as a possible reason that you were suspecting him, but I inserted my own reason/my own analysis of what I thought you meant in the part that you called lengthy (nah, I write far lengthier things if I feel up to it), because that's why I was suspecting Zander. I wanted to hear from you what exactly you meant by read ahead and reading it raw, but I tried my best to interpret it.

 

Ok, Zander does catch up posts every game, however his comment to me proved he'd read ahead, when I generally assume that he reads through and gives his raw response. His explanation is reasonable, I won't say I've never done the same.

 

You keep talking about this 'delay' but I don't really get what you mean by it. Everyone has a 'delay' when they're catching up. I don't think he's been avoiding in thread interaction, so what do you mean by this?

 

Generally I don't think that deeply about stuff

[wish-tree]

 

Lenlo pls

Reads is what you asked for right?

 

yes

[BFG]

Zander at what point did you develop your town read on me?

[wish-tree]

quoting the post in a sec for you, Zander

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

 

Lenlo pls

Reads is what you asked for right?

 

 

Can I not confirm what it is she wants?

 

She's not the only one who has asked you questions of a similar nature, so I am also curious. Also, I am curious why you won't offer reads.

[BFG]

 

 

Hallia

 

People I would not lynch.  Feel good about.

Clov

Zander

Lenlo

Seph

Sili

Katiora

Darthe

BFG

 

Not enough from these people:

Dice

Lily

Lizabeth

 

Null/Subbing

Thane

 

Less than comfortable with:

Wistork

 

WTL:

 

Laine - Misrep, making cases on people, and when called on what's wrong with them, uses skimming as an excuse.

Niniel - For reasoning listed, interaction in game

possibly my favourite none mine list yet :)

 

 

Yeah, mine, too.

 

 

 

But really?

 

Yes?

[Zander?]

 

 

Also, Zander, now that I'm actually going through and not meta/tone reading you off for your entrances, can you respond to what I've asked?

 

I have questions that I'm posting in around an hour

 

Have I missed any youve already asked?

 

Cause Im pretty sure ive already dissected your crappy posts irt me.

 

I asked you what your meta on BFG was, you said she wasn't out of her scum range yet. I see the other responses you wrote me, but a lot of them don't really answer my question. instead, you sort of just call my observations bad and attack my game play for that. One instance that is particularly notable is your comment about how I shouldn't suck this much as either town or mafia, after seeing me play in WoW.

 

 

I already answered about BFG READ THE FING THREAD!!!!

 

Nice try to continue to try twist things tho.

 

And I know you try to derp clear as Scum....guess what ITS NOT GONNA WORK HERE,

 

Barring something crazy dont see me voting anywhere besides Nina/Wish.

[Zander?]

Zander at what point did you develop your town read on me?

 

Roughly after you annoyed me and made me frustrated. (as I did the same with you...lol)

 

I mentioned youre pretty much on the fringe or just outside your Scum range.

 

I aslo have trouble thinking Scum!BFG tries to provoke me and get me on her case.

[BFG]

 

Zander at what point did you develop your town read on me?

 

Roughly after you annoyed me and made me frustrated. (as I did the same with you...lol)

 

I mentioned youre pretty much on the fringe or just outside your Scum range.

 

I aslo have trouble thinking Scum!BFG tries to provoke me and get me on her case.

 

Thanks :)

[Zander?]

 

 

 

Hallia

 

People I would not lynch.  Feel good about.

Clov

Zander

Lenlo

Seph

Sili

Katiora

Darthe

BFG

 

Not enough from these people:

Dice

Lily

Lizabeth

 

Null/Subbing

Thane

 

Less than comfortable with:

Wistork

 

WTL:

 

Laine - Misrep, making cases on people, and when called on what's wrong with them, uses skimming as an excuse.

Niniel - For reasoning listed, interaction in game

possibly my favourite none mine list yet :)

 

 

Yeah, mine, too.

 

 

 

But really?

 

Yes?

 

 

You have me that high???

[Lenlo]

 

 

 

 

Lenlo pls

Reads is what you asked for right?

 

 

Can I not confirm what it is she wants?

 

She's not the only one who has asked you questions of a similar nature, so I am also curious. Also, I am curious why you won't offer reads.

 

Afew things to clear up you twisting crap again.

1) I never said I wouldnt offer reads. Ive been at work

2) Similar nature != same question. Also see point 1.

3) Shove it Mr."Im going to ignore your question but then answer Hallias because why not".

 

Lenbot ill get those for you when I have more then a moment free at work.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

 

 

 

Lenlo pls

Reads is what you asked for right?

 

 

Can I not confirm what it is she wants?

 

She's not the only one who has asked you questions of a similar nature, so I am also curious. Also, I am curious why you won't offer reads.

 

Afew things to clear up you twisting crap again.

1) I never said I wouldnt offer reads. Ive been at work

2) Similar nature != same question. Also see point 1.

3) Shove it Mr."Im going to ignore your question but then answer Hallias because why not".

 

Lenbot ill get those for you when I have more then a moment free at work.

 

(1) fair enough.

(2) i still have no idea what your reads are, and understanding where your brain's at has been difficult for more people than just me for longer than you've been at work.

(3) still offended?

[wish-tree]

 

part 1ish sorta

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

also ganna give sili a light town read.

dem page 4 reads are op.

hallia and i are probably very easy and necessary reads at this point.

 

I would hazard an agreement there.  Leaning town on you.  And Seph.  And BFG.  and...well no one has done anything wolfie....YET.

 

Curious as to why I'm in your lean town list?

 

Sili, why 'necessary'?

 

I like BFG pointing out the "necessary" part of Sili's phrasing. That's something that I picked up on. Actually, following the argument between seph, Sili, and BFG, I'm just lost and I don't really know where or why Sili was pushing this. 

 

I think Dice called you Town as well.

 

I dont feel youve done anything atp that puts you out of your Scum!BFG range imo.

 

 

1. I don't really understand how he can say this, and not be fine with me saying this about him.

 

2. Another thing: Zander, why did you choose to respond to this specific post? Actually, that's a general question. Why choose the posts that you respond to? How did Dice's read of BFG influence your read of him? This is a scummy post. It's low commitment, with only commentary on other people's insights, without offering anything solidly of your own. 

 

What were you thinking there? Explain it to me so I can see your thought process. What is Scum!BFG range?

 

 

 

 

Q&A time with Storktree:

1) How old were you during the 90s? I was born in 86

2) What was your favorite 90s artist/song? I adore the Spice Girls, Say You'll Be There so good.  Also REM!

3) Why are you playing this game?Because I love mafia

4) Do you prefer to work together or alone? I love to work with other townies to lynch wolves

5) What's your goal for this game (may be correlated to no. 3)?  To...beat mafia?

6) What's your favorite role to play? Doc of course 

7) What meta do you have with other players? Well Zander and I can soulread each other...

8) Describe your own meta as best as you can. I love being town? I suck as mafia? lol

 

How well do you actually feel you can read me Hallia?

 

I mean I feel I read you quite well, usually have you pegged EoD 1 or Early D2.

 

I think you know that I read you pretty well.  I have caught you before.

 

 

Mixed feelings about this exchange. Hallia, what's your soulread of Zander at this point in the game? 

 

I like the first sentence of what Hallia says, it's okay, nothing pingy. Could be better, the "I think you know" places expectation on Zander and sort of annoyance in the tone, which makes sense if Hallia assumes Zander to be familiar with her as much as she is with him. The second part unsettles me, it is unnecessary, and idk, the tone and the mindset behind "before" bothers me. Maybe a minor detail, but I don't like it. 

 

Hmmmmmm, waiting for Zander to 'catch' up

 

The quotations around catch also stand out to me, as if BFG does not believe that Zander is actually engaged in the thread. This kind of behavior I also pointed out in another post. I've seen a lot of this 'catching up' and not being involved in the thread in real time, instead, responding to quotes that are old and often past the point of discussion, unless it is something that is low content and easier to follow, from scum Zander. I noticed it when he decided to case csarmi in WoW to make it look legit when he actually eventually voted csarmi, and completely checked out of the thread. Recently, in the mash we were playing together as scum buddies, Zander again was checked out of the thread, and did mention in scum chat that he was overwhelmed. We all urged him to respond to posts that were new, but he never did, unless it was during events or ITAs. 

 

3. Here, I'm seeing less of a delay, but there's still a noticeable separation from the thread that Zander has, except during his exchanges with BFG and me. In fact, his cases against Niniel and Lenlo seem to be delayed, and he's pushing at a lot of people, but not really establishing a foothold. I don't even understand the argument he had with me or BFG, but more on that later.

 

I think BFG noticing this lack of engagement from Zander merits a slight town lean. 

 

 

I mean is your assumption i said it to cast suspicion? Then i gave up on my own wolfy accord?

 

Seems like youre just annoyed im not opening up.

partly yes, because other part is it just frankly doesn't make sense to me.

so your not exactly helping me read you

 

 

Do you feel Sili is playing differently then he normally does?

 

If so how?

 

By not opening up?

 

Do you think Sili marching to the beat of his own drum so to speak is odd?

 

 

4. What did you think about Sili? Again, another zinger (you are dripping with pond scum, Zander). Set of leading questions here: Do you feel Sili is playing differently - second question is if so, assuming you answer yes - third question is how is by not opening up, kind of providing the answer to the second question - and the last question is Sili marching to the beat of his own drum, is it odd, implying that you think that there should be an opinion that it may be odd. 

 

You attempted to guide someone to think the same way you do by asking leading questions, or at least set up an expectation of the answer that you can control. I would expect town!Zander to openly state his opinions and then ask questions separately about them. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

also ganna give sili a light town read.

dem page 4 reads are op.

hallia and i are probably very easy and necessary reads at this point.

 

I would hazard an agreement there.  Leaning town on you.  And Seph.  And BFG.  and...well no one has done anything wolfie....YET.

 

Curious as to why I'm in your lean town list?

 

Sili, why 'necessary'?

 

 

I think Dice called you Town as well.

 

I dont feel youve done anything atp that puts you out of your Scum!BFG range imo.

 

Don't you normally dive into your catch up 'raw' so to speak, why did you read ahead this time?

 

Is diving into catch up "raw" something that town!Zander does? Did you find him reading ahead scummy? 

 

 

Ok, thanks Sili :)

 

Seph, I think we were teammates in the only game I remember you as mafia in :p and fair :)

 

You subbed in for seph one game where I was also Scum iirc.  I think it was a WoT game perhaps.

 

 

I subbed in for Seph in the Tarpon Gai'don game, Seph subbed in for me in 9-5(?) but the only game I remember playing together when he was mafia was Pokemon, when I subbed in as mafia.

 

 

Worth noting that if Seph flips mafia Laine is probably town, but Seph is probably town anyway :p

 

 

ummmmmm what?????

 

Has Laine even posted yet......???

 

No

 

why does that change a read that's conditional on Seph being mafia. Seph said something about Laine I don't think is m/m very often, so if Seph is mafia, Laine is probably town.

 

Why aren't you questioning the fact that I've said that Sept is probably town, when you apparently disagree?

 

 

I'm still attempting to find the post that you're referring to here about Seph saying something about Laine. Could you point it out for me? 

 

5. Good catch on the second point. Zander, you are more focused on Laine being town rather than Seph's alignment, even though I'd be wary of making these sort of unflipped associatives and call BFG for making these. Why only call out one problem with this post and not all of them?

 

 

Checking in. Haven't read any of the last 6 (?) Pages. Checking out, bye.

 

NEED MORE LAINEYGOAT LDO!!!!!

 

I've already mentioned this. You say buddying w/ laine is null indicative, but that's what you said last time in WoW, I don't really know if I can trust this or not. 

 

 

 

 

I numbered responses in the spoiler:

 

1. You didnt say I was out of my Sum range you said I was Scummt for things that were Null tho.  This seems a tad twisty imo.

 

2. Again more twisty where did I say Dice read of BFG influenced my read ON ANYONE?

 

- Involvement and content and line of questioning.  She wasnt clear of that atp.  Id say shes prolly just about of it now.

 

3.  This is just straight up BS.  Ive been the one calling things out and people are sheeping ME on them FFS

 

4. Are you even reading my posts?  Im Scummy for asking questions?  Im trying to get seph to open up on Sili.  What does my opinion on Sili have to do with me getting seph's opinion on him.  This is awful.  Im not guiding anyone Im asking questions,  Id like to think as EITHER alignment youre better then this after seeing you in WoW.

 

5. Again shows youre not paying attention to the PAGES long back and forth between me and BFG.  That read had nothing to do with Laine or seph's alignment per se it was that by BFG's comment if she was Scum buddies with sepg her comment would not only lead to clearing Laine but also HERSELF.

 

6. ASK OTHERS FFS ABOUT THE CRAP I SAY IS NULL!!!!! OR READ THE THREAD AS OTHERS ARE COMMENTING ON IT THEMSELVES!!!!

 

 

1. What do you mean twisty? I have never seen you town, nor have followed your games when you did rand town. When you were wolfing in both WoW and the mash, the one thing I picked up and tried to coach you about in the Mafia QT/Skype chat was precisely the one thing I have been emphasizing over and over again. 

2. Yes, you never said that, but I assume that when you point out posts that you point out, that you should have a REASON for doing so. Why pick out posts that don't influence your read on people, how does that contribute? You not being influenced by that in it of itself is a bad look. I had a specific problem with you choosing this post, and here you're not even trying to explain to me your thought process at the time for choosing this. That's scummy to me.

- again with the BFG meta thing, why was she not clear at that point, why is she clear now?

3. I'm not saying that you are sheeping people, rather, I'm pointing at the lack of involvement you have in the present moment unless you are engaged in full tunnel on someone. You could be sheeping people by formulating your posts while reading the thread and adjusting what you say to it while you are in 'delay' mode, but I can't know that. I still see the tail end of it, so that's what I was pointing out.

4. I never said you were scummy for asking questions. I saw this set of questions as inherently scummy, because it seemed that at every point you were asking this set of questions, you had an answer that you expected the other person to have, and you were framing the question in a way as to guide them to it. That's what a leading question is, and that's what I disliked.

5. I skipped a lot of the long back and forth between you and BFG because again, I didn't want to dive into that when I was already irritated. I don't understand what you mean by that. Do you mean that because of what seph said about BFG and Laine that clearing BFG would clear Laine too, if Seph were scum? I can see why that's the case, but I have all three as town. What happens then? I liked that BFG was pointing out that you didn't really ask her about Seph, and instead focusing on Lainey instead. Also, the post you made seemed to be more shocked that Lainey merited a town read for even not posting (bringing to my mind echoes of this isn't fair, she gets town read for not even posting), rather than even mentioning or touching on Seph. Lainey/you never w/w. 

6. I'm starting to, but Lainey confirming what I was thinking about you, with the delay, just made more confident of my read.

[BFG]

 

 

 

 

Hallia

 

People I would not lynch. Feel good about.

Clov

Zander

Lenlo

Seph

Sili

Katiora

Darthe

BFG

 

Not enough from these people:

Dice

Lily

Lizabeth

 

Null/Subbing

Thane

 

Less than comfortable with:

Wistork

 

WTL:

 

Laine - Misrep, making cases on people, and when called on what's wrong with them, uses skimming as an excuse.

Niniel - For reasoning listed, interaction in game

possibly my favourite none mine list yet :)

Yeah, mine, too.

 

 

 

But really?

Yes?

You have me that high???

No, I'd have you, Lenlo, Darthe much lower. probably Chris, but thatsostly just me being me until I can read through the thread again :(

 

Mostly I think Hallia could be right about Laine

 

besides if I closed my eyes and wrote Hallias list for her this is what I'd write who h gives me more co dozen e in that read.

[wish-tree]

 

 

 

Also, Zander, now that I'm actually going through and not meta/tone reading you off for your entrances, can you respond to what I've asked?

 

I have questions that I'm posting in around an hour

 

Have I missed any youve already asked?

 

Cause Im pretty sure ive already dissected your crappy posts irt me.

 

I asked you what your meta on BFG was, you said she wasn't out of her scum range yet. I see the other responses you wrote me, but a lot of them don't really answer my question. instead, you sort of just call my observations bad and attack my game play for that. One instance that is particularly notable is your comment about how I shouldn't suck this much as either town or mafia, after seeing me play in WoW.

 

 

I already answered about BFG READ THE FING THREAD!!!!

 

Nice try to continue to try twist things tho.

 

And I know you try to derp clear as Scum....guess what ITS NOT GONNA WORK HERE,

 

Barring something crazy dont see me voting anywhere besides Nina/Wish.

 

dude, nice try at jumping at conclusions before you even read what I said/what remaining questions I had for you.

[wish-tree]

 

Zander at what point did you develop your town read on me?

 

Roughly after you annoyed me and made me frustrated. (as I did the same with you...lol)

 

I mentioned youre pretty much on the fringe or just outside your Scum range.

 

I aslo have trouble thinking Scum!BFG tries to provoke me and get me on her case.

 

Okay, see, this is more of the answer I would have liked to hear from you irt BFG. Why aren't you cooperating with me, Zander?

[wish-tree]

 

 

 

 

 

Lenlo pls

Reads is what you asked for right?

 

 

Can I not confirm what it is she wants?

 

She's not the only one who has asked you questions of a similar nature, so I am also curious. Also, I am curious why you won't offer reads.

 

Afew things to clear up you twisting crap again.

1) I never said I wouldnt offer reads. Ive been at work

2) Similar nature != same question. Also see point 1.

3) Shove it Mr."Im going to ignore your question but then answer Hallias because why not".

 

Lenbot ill get those for you when I have more then a moment free at work.

 

got it, thanks

 

Maybe this would help me put this into context, but are you reading Sili as scum or not?