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  On 6/7/2016 at 9:26 PM, Clovdyx said:

I have no read on Darthe.  He's firmly in my POE because he's done nothing to remove himself, and he's nowhere near the bottom because he hasn't done anything to draw my suspicion.  I won't vote him over Lenlo, Tina, Zander, and maybe throw Lily in there, but I'd CFD his ass in a heart beat if the counterwagon was one of the people I mentioned earlier.

 

Hallia I feel good about.  There's not a single post I would say couldn't come from Hallia as mafia, but her entire game total makes me feel good about her.  She's taken a few pretty strong stances, and none of her reasons seemed scummy or that they couldn't be genuine.  Her post about Alanna's stfu comment sounded REALLY pure to me.

 

Didint you say i was trending up?  Or ask it...you didnt answer my question on it.

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  On 6/7/2016 at 9:44 PM, wish-tree said:

Also, Zander, now that I'm actually going through and not meta/tone reading you off for your entrances, can you respond to what I've asked?

 

I have questions that I'm posting in around an hour

 

Have I missed any youve already asked?

 

Cause Im pretty sure ive already dissected your crappy posts irt me.

Posted
  On 6/7/2016 at 9:46 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 9:26 PM, Clovdyx said:

I have no read on Darthe.  He's firmly in my POE because he's done nothing to remove himself, and he's nowhere near the bottom because he hasn't done anything to draw my suspicion.  I won't vote him over Lenlo, Tina, Zander, and maybe throw Lily in there, but I'd CFD his ass in a heart beat if the counterwagon was one of the people I mentioned earlier.

 

Hallia I feel good about.  There's not a single post I would say couldn't come from Hallia as mafia, but her entire game total makes me feel good about her.  She's taken a few pretty strong stances, and none of her reasons seemed scummy or that they couldn't be genuine.  Her post about Alanna's stfu comment sounded REALLY pure to me.

 

Didint you say i was trending up?  Or ask it...you didnt answer my question on it.

 

 

It was a thought.  And to be fair, you probably were/are.  But I can't ignore what essentially breaks down to an entire thread full of things that make me doubt you in favor of a couple of pretty good posts to the point that I'm more comfortable lynching somebody that's completely inactive.  

Posted
  On 6/7/2016 at 9:48 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 9:46 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 9:26 PM, Clovdyx said:

I have no read on Darthe.  He's firmly in my POE because he's done nothing to remove himself, and he's nowhere near the bottom because he hasn't done anything to draw my suspicion.  I won't vote him over Lenlo, Tina, Zander, and maybe throw Lily in there, but I'd CFD his ass in a heart beat if the counterwagon was one of the people I mentioned earlier.

 

Hallia I feel good about.  There's not a single post I would say couldn't come from Hallia as mafia, but her entire game total makes me feel good about her.  She's taken a few pretty strong stances, and none of her reasons seemed scummy or that they couldn't be genuine.  Her post about Alanna's stfu comment sounded REALLY pure to me.

 

Didint you say i was trending up?  Or ask it...you didnt answer my question on it.

 

 

It was a thought.  And to be fair, you probably were/are.  But I can't ignore what essentially breaks down to an entire thread full of things that make me doubt you in favor of a couple of pretty good posts to the point that I'm more comfortable lynching somebody that's completely inactive.  

 

 

Ok I just wanted you to answer the question.

 

Thank you.

Posted
  On 6/7/2016 at 9:49 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 9:49 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 9:45 PM, wish-tree said:

Lenlo pls

Reads is what you asked for right?

 

:huh:

 

Can I not confirm what it is she wants?

Posted
  On 6/7/2016 at 9:47 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 9:44 PM, wish-tree said:

Also, Zander, now that I'm actually going through and not meta/tone reading you off for your entrances, can you respond to what I've asked?

 

I have questions that I'm posting in around an hour

 

Have I missed any youve already asked?

 

Cause Im pretty sure ive already dissected your crappy posts irt me.

 

I asked you what your meta on BFG was, you said she wasn't out of her scum range yet. I see the other responses you wrote me, but a lot of them don't really answer my question. instead, you sort of just call my observations bad and attack my game play for that. One instance that is particularly notable is your comment about how I shouldn't suck this much as either town or mafia, after seeing me play in WoW.

Posted
  On 6/7/2016 at 9:37 PM, wish-tree said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 9:31 PM, BFG said:

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-1/page-51?do=findComment&comment=3663480 (part 1ish sorta)

 

 

Interestingly you point out one of the posts I had an issue with, there's no value in saying that Dice called me town as well, and saying I'm not out of mafia range is sort of redundant at this stage. In itself doesn't mean much, but as a stand alone post I didn't like it.

 

However what's the point in asking 'why choose the posts you respond to?'

 

More importantly, you quote me saying 'catch' up and give a lengthy analysis of what you think I mean by it and yet in the same post you quote me saying it's because he read ahead and so isn't reading it raw...

The point in why choose the posts you respond to is more something irt Zander's meta. This is my main problem with him, as I've stated before. As scum there's a definite delay, and there's really no order to what or who he pushes, just tons of little jabs everywhere. Here, I'm seeing a similar thing, which is why I asked the question. If Zander can explain why he chose what he did, that would make me able to reevaluate just in case I'm wrong on him. I also want to see if he can explain it, which I doubt he can. The post that you just pointed out was one of the posts that I didn't think there's a towny reason for him to point out, I don't know why he chose it out of the other posts at the time, and it feels like an implicit push on you without actually building a case or solidifying anything. That's why I noted it.

 

Another thing, lol, is that I don't do these analyses in order, I marked down the "read ahead and reading it raw" as a possible reason that you were suspecting him, but I inserted my own reason/my own analysis of what I thought you meant in the part that you called lengthy (nah, I write far lengthier things if I feel up to it), because that's why I was suspecting Zander. I wanted to hear from you what exactly you meant by read ahead and reading it raw, but I tried my best to interpret it.

 

Ok, Zander does catch up posts every game, however his comment to me proved he'd read ahead, when I generally assume that he reads through and gives his raw response. His explanation is reasonable, I won't say I've never done the same.

 

You keep talking about this 'delay' but I don't really get what you mean by it. Everyone has a 'delay' when they're catching up. I don't think he's been avoiding in thread interaction, so what do you mean by this?

 

Generally I don't think that deeply about stuff :sad:

Posted
  On 6/7/2016 at 9:49 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 9:45 PM, wish-tree said:

Lenlo pls

Reads is what you asked for right?

 

yes

Posted
  On 6/7/2016 at 9:51 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 9:49 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 9:49 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 9:45 PM, wish-tree said:

Lenlo pls

Reads is what you asked for right?

 

:huh:

 

Can I not confirm what it is she wants?

 

She's not the only one who has asked you questions of a similar nature, so I am also curious. Also, I am curious why you won't offer reads.

Posted
  On 6/7/2016 at 9:45 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 9:40 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 9:35 PM, Hallia said:

Hallia

 

People I would not lynch.  Feel good about.

Clov

Zander

Lenlo

Seph

Sili

Katiora

Darthe

BFG

 

Not enough from these people:

Dice

Lily

Lizabeth

 

Null/Subbing

Thane

 

Less than comfortable with:

Wistork

 

WTL:

 

Laine - Misrep, making cases on people, and when called on what's wrong with them, uses skimming as an excuse.

Niniel - For reasoning listed, interaction in game

possibly my favourite none mine list yet :)

 

 

Yeah, mine, too.

 

:unsure:

 

 

But really?

 

Yes?

Posted
  On 6/7/2016 at 9:52 PM, wish-tree said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 9:47 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 9:44 PM, wish-tree said:

Also, Zander, now that I'm actually going through and not meta/tone reading you off for your entrances, can you respond to what I've asked?

 

I have questions that I'm posting in around an hour

 

Have I missed any youve already asked?

 

Cause Im pretty sure ive already dissected your crappy posts irt me.

 

I asked you what your meta on BFG was, you said she wasn't out of her scum range yet. I see the other responses you wrote me, but a lot of them don't really answer my question. instead, you sort of just call my observations bad and attack my game play for that. One instance that is particularly notable is your comment about how I shouldn't suck this much as either town or mafia, after seeing me play in WoW.

 

 

I already answered about BFG READ THE FING THREAD!!!!

 

Nice try to continue to try twist things tho.

 

And I know you try to derp clear as Scum....guess what ITS NOT GONNA WORK HERE,

 

Barring something crazy dont see me voting anywhere besides Nina/Wish.

Posted
  On 6/7/2016 at 9:53 PM, BFG said:

Zander at what point did you develop your town read on me?

 

Roughly after you annoyed me and made me frustrated. (as I did the same with you...lol)

 

I mentioned youre pretty much on the fringe or just outside your Scum range.

 

I aslo have trouble thinking Scum!BFG tries to provoke me and get me on her case.

Posted
  On 6/7/2016 at 9:57 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 9:53 PM, BFG said:

Zander at what point did you develop your town read on me?

 

Roughly after you annoyed me and made me frustrated. (as I did the same with you...lol)

 

I mentioned youre pretty much on the fringe or just outside your Scum range.

 

I aslo have trouble thinking Scum!BFG tries to provoke me and get me on her case.

 

Thanks :)

Posted
  On 6/7/2016 at 9:55 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 9:45 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 9:40 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 9:35 PM, Hallia said:

Hallia

 

People I would not lynch.  Feel good about.

Clov

Zander

Lenlo

Seph

Sili

Katiora

Darthe

BFG

 

Not enough from these people:

Dice

Lily

Lizabeth

 

Null/Subbing

Thane

 

Less than comfortable with:

Wistork

 

WTL:

 

Laine - Misrep, making cases on people, and when called on what's wrong with them, uses skimming as an excuse.

Niniel - For reasoning listed, interaction in game

possibly my favourite none mine list yet :)

 

 

Yeah, mine, too.

 

:unsure:

 

 

But really?

 

Yes?

 

 

You have me that high???

Posted
  On 6/7/2016 at 9:55 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 9:51 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 9:49 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 9:49 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 9:45 PM, wish-tree said:

Lenlo pls

Reads is what you asked for right?

 

:huh:

 

Can I not confirm what it is she wants?

 

She's not the only one who has asked you questions of a similar nature, so I am also curious. Also, I am curious why you won't offer reads.

 

Afew things to clear up you twisting crap again.

1) I never said I wouldnt offer reads. Ive been at work

2) Similar nature != same question. Also see point 1.

3) Shove it Mr."Im going to ignore your question but then answer Hallias because why not".

 

Lenbot ill get those for you when I have more then a moment free at work.

Posted
  On 6/7/2016 at 10:02 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 9:55 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 9:51 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 9:49 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 9:49 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 9:45 PM, wish-tree said:

Lenlo pls

Reads is what you asked for right?

 

:huh:

 

Can I not confirm what it is she wants?

 

She's not the only one who has asked you questions of a similar nature, so I am also curious. Also, I am curious why you won't offer reads.

 

Afew things to clear up you twisting crap again.

1) I never said I wouldnt offer reads. Ive been at work

2) Similar nature != same question. Also see point 1.

3) Shove it Mr."Im going to ignore your question but then answer Hallias because why not".

 

Lenbot ill get those for you when I have more then a moment free at work.

 

(1) fair enough.

(2) i still have no idea what your reads are, and understanding where your brain's at has been difficult for more people than just me for longer than you've been at work.

(3) still offended?

Posted
  On 6/7/2016 at 7:29 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 3:21 PM, wish-tree said:

part 1ish sorta

 

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

 

I numbered responses in the spoiler:

 

1. You didnt say I was out of my Sum range you said I was Scummt for things that were Null tho.  This seems a tad twisty imo.

 

2. Again more twisty where did I say Dice read of BFG influenced my read ON ANYONE?

 

- Involvement and content and line of questioning.  She wasnt clear of that atp.  Id say shes prolly just about of it now.

 

3.  This is just straight up BS.  Ive been the one calling things out and people are sheeping ME on them FFS

 

4. Are you even reading my posts?  Im Scummy for asking questions?  Im trying to get seph to open up on Sili.  What does my opinion on Sili have to do with me getting seph's opinion on him.  This is awful.  Im not guiding anyone Im asking questions,  Id like to think as EITHER alignment youre better then this after seeing you in WoW.

 

5. Again shows youre not paying attention to the PAGES long back and forth between me and BFG.  That read had nothing to do with Laine or seph's alignment per se it was that by BFG's comment if she was Scum buddies with sepg her comment would not only lead to clearing Laine but also HERSELF.

 

6. ASK OTHERS FFS ABOUT THE CRAP I SAY IS NULL!!!!! OR READ THE THREAD AS OTHERS ARE COMMENTING ON IT THEMSELVES!!!!

 

 

1. What do you mean twisty? I have never seen you town, nor have followed your games when you did rand town. When you were wolfing in both WoW and the mash, the one thing I picked up and tried to coach you about in the Mafia QT/Skype chat was precisely the one thing I have been emphasizing over and over again. 

2. Yes, you never said that, but I assume that when you point out posts that you point out, that you should have a REASON for doing so. Why pick out posts that don't influence your read on people, how does that contribute? You not being influenced by that in it of itself is a bad look. I had a specific problem with you choosing this post, and here you're not even trying to explain to me your thought process at the time for choosing this. That's scummy to me.

- again with the BFG meta thing, why was she not clear at that point, why is she clear now?

3. I'm not saying that you are sheeping people, rather, I'm pointing at the lack of involvement you have in the present moment unless you are engaged in full tunnel on someone. You could be sheeping people by formulating your posts while reading the thread and adjusting what you say to it while you are in 'delay' mode, but I can't know that. I still see the tail end of it, so that's what I was pointing out.

4. I never said you were scummy for asking questions. I saw this set of questions as inherently scummy, because it seemed that at every point you were asking this set of questions, you had an answer that you expected the other person to have, and you were framing the question in a way as to guide them to it. That's what a leading question is, and that's what I disliked.

5. I skipped a lot of the long back and forth between you and BFG because again, I didn't want to dive into that when I was already irritated. I don't understand what you mean by that. Do you mean that because of what seph said about BFG and Laine that clearing BFG would clear Laine too, if Seph were scum? I can see why that's the case, but I have all three as town. What happens then? I liked that BFG was pointing out that you didn't really ask her about Seph, and instead focusing on Lainey instead. Also, the post you made seemed to be more shocked that Lainey merited a town read for even not posting (bringing to my mind echoes of this isn't fair, she gets town read for not even posting), rather than even mentioning or touching on Seph. Lainey/you never w/w. 

6. I'm starting to, but Lainey confirming what I was thinking about you, with the delay, just made more confident of my read.

Posted
  On 6/7/2016 at 10:02 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 9:55 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 9:45 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 9:40 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 9:35 PM, Hallia said:

Hallia

 

People I would not lynch. Feel good about.

Clov

Zander

Lenlo

Seph

Sili

Katiora

Darthe

BFG

 

Not enough from these people:

Dice

Lily

Lizabeth

 

Null/Subbing

Thane

 

Less than comfortable with:

Wistork

 

WTL:

 

Laine - Misrep, making cases on people, and when called on what's wrong with them, uses skimming as an excuse.

Niniel - For reasoning listed, interaction in game

possibly my favourite none mine list yet :)

Yeah, mine, too.

 

:unsure:

 

 

But really?

Yes?

You have me that high???

No, I'd have you, Lenlo, Darthe much lower. probably Chris, but thatsostly just me being me until I can read through the thread again :(

 

Mostly I think Hallia could be right about Laine

 

besides if I closed my eyes and wrote Hallias list for her this is what I'd write who h gives me more co dozen e in that read.

Posted
  On 6/7/2016 at 9:55 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 9:52 PM, wish-tree said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 9:47 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 9:44 PM, wish-tree said:

Also, Zander, now that I'm actually going through and not meta/tone reading you off for your entrances, can you respond to what I've asked?

 

I have questions that I'm posting in around an hour

 

Have I missed any youve already asked?

 

Cause Im pretty sure ive already dissected your crappy posts irt me.

 

I asked you what your meta on BFG was, you said she wasn't out of her scum range yet. I see the other responses you wrote me, but a lot of them don't really answer my question. instead, you sort of just call my observations bad and attack my game play for that. One instance that is particularly notable is your comment about how I shouldn't suck this much as either town or mafia, after seeing me play in WoW.

 

 

I already answered about BFG READ THE FING THREAD!!!!

 

Nice try to continue to try twist things tho.

 

And I know you try to derp clear as Scum....guess what ITS NOT GONNA WORK HERE,

 

Barring something crazy dont see me voting anywhere besides Nina/Wish.

 

dude, nice try at jumping at conclusions before you even read what I said/what remaining questions I had for you.

Posted
  On 6/7/2016 at 9:57 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 9:53 PM, BFG said:

Zander at what point did you develop your town read on me?

 

Roughly after you annoyed me and made me frustrated. (as I did the same with you...lol)

 

I mentioned youre pretty much on the fringe or just outside your Scum range.

 

I aslo have trouble thinking Scum!BFG tries to provoke me and get me on her case.

 

Okay, see, this is more of the answer I would have liked to hear from you irt BFG. Why aren't you cooperating with me, Zander?

Posted
  On 6/7/2016 at 10:02 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 9:55 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 9:51 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 9:49 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 9:49 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 9:45 PM, wish-tree said:

Lenlo pls

Reads is what you asked for right?

 

:huh:

 

Can I not confirm what it is she wants?

 

She's not the only one who has asked you questions of a similar nature, so I am also curious. Also, I am curious why you won't offer reads.

 

Afew things to clear up you twisting crap again.

1) I never said I wouldnt offer reads. Ive been at work

2) Similar nature != same question. Also see point 1.

3) Shove it Mr."Im going to ignore your question but then answer Hallias because why not".

 

Lenbot ill get those for you when I have more then a moment free at work.

 

got it, thanks

 

Maybe this would help me put this into context, but are you reading Sili as scum or not?

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