[Basic] I <3 the 90's Mafia: Music Edition - TOWN WINS!

[Clovdyx]

I think youre being silly clov. I knew what i was doing. You didnt. Fine but you didnt look for evidence. That happens a lot. I just dont like it that you never admitted to the farce despite getting me to waste pages of time detailing a really trivial thing.

 

As a favor to the mods, I'm going to play nice here.  I don't want to, but I owe them that.  So here's what I'm going to say.

 

Everything I say in games, whether this one or any other, is based on evidence.  You disagree with my conclusions?  Whatever.  Given that it was about you in this case, I can hardly say I'm surprised.  But if you don't understand why I would look at what you said and form the opinions I did, that's your problem.  Because I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who thought it was bad.

[wish-tree]

Okay, here's the part that I really don't get. What was even the point of this exchange?

 

 

 

 

 

 

also ganna give sili a light town read.
dem page 4 reads are op.

hallia and i are probably very easy and necessary reads at this point.

 

I would hazard an agreement there.  Leaning town on you.  And Seph.  And BFG.  and...well no one has done anything wolfie....YET.

 

Curious as to why I'm in your lean town list? Were you curious about any of the others being in Hallia's lean town list?

Sili, why 'necessary'? 

 

 

The start of the exchange, which I already remarked on. Why does Sili tell seph that him reading Hallia and Sili is a necessary thing to do?

 

for wolf seph.

 

Later on, Sili, you say that you weren't reading seph as town. Why did you say that wolf!seph would make those reads at that time? 

 

What about for town Seph?

 

Why couldn't town!Seph make Hallia/Sili = town necessary reads if they were so easy to make?

 

 

for wolf seph.

can you go into a bit more detail on this.

 

 

I think that's what anyone who was reading this was thinking, but I don't like it that seph immediately jumped on Sili for this. 

 

 

 

What about for town Seph?

 

No.

 

for wolf seph.

can you go into a bit more detail on this.

 

No.

 

 

Ehhhh, why not?

 

 

sili have I ever wolfed against you?

Unsure.

 

So you think Seph is mafia?

No.

 

 

Then what did you mean by wolf!Seph needing to make Hallia/you necessary and easy town reads?

 

Then I don't follow your thought process here?

 

^ 

 

Cause I don't know his wolf game I don't know what is necessary for wolf Seph to do.

 

I don't understand. What was the point of saying that it was necessary for wolf!Seph?

 

This is so silly. It was an argument I don't care about anymore.

 

Uhhhh, where were you planning to go with this?

 

 

 

Too big, it won't let me post this, part two incoming

[Katiora]

hey kat, what exactly did you agree with zander on, in his regards to my progression?

I agreed with how you posted it it looked a little like it was you contradicting yourself. I can see what you say now, and it makes sense, but the problem is that I can't remember seeing the progression of that thought pattern in the thread. Now when you post it, it looks more like you're covering yourself instead of actually going through the thought process. But like I said yesterday I wanted to hear your explanation of how you got from "most suspicious" to "think he's town". 

 

I still understand and I'm not on board with lynching you (yet and I may never be) I would like some other people's thoughts... I'm honestly on the fence with everyone. There are so many people in here I have so little experience playing with that i'm having a hard time reading people.And there's people going after people that to me seem more town, like Zander, but I'm kinda shifty about him because I've never played in a game with him as Mafia so I really don't know what to look for, but I am not for taking people's word on other people's meta, especially when I don't know you, at all. And we have had so many hard core arguments between 2/3 people that to me were moot arguments that didn't mean anything that I feel a bit thrown off. I really feel like we're grasping at straws here and not making much progress finding scum. 

 

I mean right now we have this going down with Clov and Sili. I don't believe that either one of them really thinks the other is scum, i mean i could be reading you wrong but that's how i'm taking it, but their still arguing. The same happened with Lenlo and SIli yesterday (by the end neither of them really got anything fiured out) and with Zander and BFG. Then there have been a few genuine arguments about alignments but I have had such a hard time getting them into my head reading around the other arguments. I really need to go back and re-read most of yesterday's afternoon posts but I dread it so much.... 

 

 

/end wordy post

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

 

Ive been antagonistic to a couple of players.

What do you think clov? Did i shut you down or did you tacitly concede that your argument was bs.

 

I don't think you "shut me down", and my argument was correct.  I'm sorry I'm trying to look at the big picture.

Nope. You did a bad job. took one comment made a big deal of it acted like a single vague line was supposed to influence thread. And despite lack of evidence of a pattern said i was trying to shade seph.

 

Your read was one of those lazy halfassed reads that have no backbone.

 

 

No, I really didn't.  I took something you said that stood out for seemingly having a disconnect between what you were saying and how you were treating him - not to mention you  literally contradicting yourself by saying he'd do something as scum and then saying you don't know what he'd do as scum.  Lack of evidence of a pattern?  True.  And if that mattered for anything, you'd have a point, but it doesn't.  There doesn't need to be a pattern.  

 

The "backbone" is called the thread.

 

I didn't know you had read my posts before accusing me of shading Seph out of nowhere. But you know, it was easy to see I was responding to bfg at the time. Instead you saw what you wanted I guess.  I did not contradict myself is what I am getting at and you would have known that if you were paying attention.

 

 

 

Peace though.

 

You read too much ino 4 words or so. So obvious but if you cant admit you did wrong i dont want to force the issue.

 

I read too much into things in a game that requires me to read into things.  Go.  Figure.

 

If by "did wrong" you mean "was wrong", I actually think you're right.  My guess right now is that you're town, which mean my initial suspicion of you was wrong.  Next time I will default to "this guy doesn't know what he's doing", rather than "this guy is purposely doing it."

 

You did wrong by forcing me to spend so much of my time explaining to you some basic trivial stuff in my opinion, and I do not care what you think about this. This is why I ain't going to respond to questions which are a waste of time going forward.

[wish-tree]

 

 

BFG, on 05 Jun 2016 - 4:32 PM, said:

 

Ok, thanks Sili :)

Seph, I think we were teammates in the only game I remember you as mafia in :p and fair :)

 

I'd have kept pushing here. I don't like that BFG backs off here, she is letting him off too easily, even if she reads him as town.

 

BFG, on 05 Jun 2016 - 4:38 PM, said:

 

Worth noting that if Seph flips mafia Laine is probably town, but Seph is probably town anyway :p

Still don't see where you got this from. This post seems out of place especially after the exchange that you had with Sili/seph, and unrelated to any conclusions you might have drawn from it. Explain?

 

seph, on 05 Jun 2016 - 4:41 PM, said:

 

 

Sili Quirrels, on 05 Jun 2016 - 2:57 PM, said:

 

 

seph, on 05 Jun 2016 - 2:55 PM, said:

hallia and i are probably very easy and necessary reads at this point.

also ganna give sili a light town read.
dem page 4 reads are op.

 

 

 

Sili Quirrels, on 05 Jun 2016 - 4:06 PM, said:

the top two comments look like you ar insinuating there is a chance I am mafia, right?

for wolf seph.

 

Sili Quirrels, on 05 Jun 2016 - 4:18 PM, said:

me and bfg try to get into your thought process here and you shut us out completely, and I don't understand why.

 

seph, on 05 Jun 2016 - 4:17 PM, said:

sili have I ever wolfed against you?

Unsure.

 

BFG, on 05 Jun 2016 - 4:17 PM, said:

No.

So you think Seph is mafia?

 

 

 

 

Sili Quirrels, on 05 Jun 2016 - 4:23 PM, said:

then why even bother saying it if it isn't important, at the time you obviously thought it has some meaning.

 

seph, on 05 Jun 2016 - 4:21 PM, said:

It's not that important. I just don't feel like explaining rn.

looks like once that I saw in darthes middle of earth game. The reason i am asking is I found the statement odd with there only being like 20% if that of the game checked in.

BFG, on 05 Jun 2016 - 4:17 PM, said:

 

 

 

Sili Quirrels, on 05 Jun 2016 - 4:31 PM, said:

me and bfg were only asking question, we were not berating you. If you can explain where you were coming from maybe it will make sense to us, that's all we are trying to do is see this from your pov.
but i agree with bfg I don't understand where you are coming form

This is so silly. It was an argument I don't care about anymore.

 

 

 

Agree with seph's thought process here. 

 

The part I underlined is buddying BFG and taking sides, which might be natural if seph really was confused. A possibility that I'm toying with is that seph takes advantage of the Sili confusion to find rapport with BFG.

 

Hallia, on 05 Jun 2016 - 5:08 PM, said:

 

 

seph, on 05 Jun 2016 - 5:01 PM, said:

I think opening up isn't a bad thing.

 

Sili Quirrels, on 05 Jun 2016 - 4:59 PM, said:

I mean is your assumption i said it to cast suspicion? Then i gave up on my own wolfy accord?

Seems like youre just annoyed im not opening up.

partly yes, because other part is it just frankly doesn't make sense to me.
so your not exactly helping me read you

 

 

 

Hallia, if you wanted Sili to open up, why not tell him that directly? What were your thoughts on this exchange?

 

 

seph, on 05 Jun 2016 - 5:11 PM, said:

 

 

Sili Quirrels, on 05 Jun 2016 - 5:03 PM, said:

Because of my recent meta im easy to read. Unless you think theres a sk.Im confused on what this has to do with anything? Agreed. Sili, why were you refusing to answer questions? You saying that you're easy to read means absolutely nothing to someone who can't read you. l o l 

I am not trying to read you off of your meta here, I am trying to get to the bottom of my suspicion, and you are just making it grow. as much as you have been talking to me you could have easily explained your train of though, regardless if I found it scummy or not. 

I am pretty sure I can relate to someone disagreeing/misinterpreting your train of though better than anyone, but you are simply being defensive and refuse to really explain yourself here. and trust me here I really am trying.....
but the more you post the more I think your a wolf
 

seph, do you have any meta with Sili that would make him expect you to read him differently? Otherwise, yeah, it's wifom that he's trying to argue that he wouldn't avoid answering your questions if he were a wolf. 

 

 

 

[wish-tree]

eww what is this formatting

 

 

 

Sili Quirrels, on 05 Jun 2016 - 5:13 PM, said:

I dont feel like it. Lol.

 

Meh.

 

Hallia, on 05 Jun 2016 - 5:29 PM, said:

Sili you're losing me.

 

You're not the only one. Can you answer my earlier question?

 

Sili Quirrels, on 05 Jun 2016 - 5:34 PM, said:

i looked up nivannah and played their songs.

 

I meant to interrogate seph but i changed my mind. Necessary is too strong a word, but I think it is a reasonable assertion wolf seph makes the same sort of reads. But that wasn't the assertion that you were actually making, was it? You didn't think seph was scum. Why say this?

 

Now that I spilled out my guts can we move past inanity? Or do you want to mistakenly think me not telling you all about me means I am a wolf? You know I am more annoyed that you expected me to answer you than I am that you voted me for such a silly reason.

 

Why did you change your mind about interrogating seph? 

 

 

Sili Quirrels, on 05 Jun 2016 - 5:13 PM, said:

I dont feel like it. Lol.

 

Meh.

 

Hallia, on 05 Jun 2016 - 5:29 PM, said:

Sili you're losing me.

 

You're not the only one. Can you answer my earlier question?

 

Sili Quirrels, on 05 Jun 2016 - 5:34 PM, said:

i looked up nivannah and played their songs.

 

I meant to interrogate seph but i changed my mind. Necessary is too strong a word, but I think it is a reasonable assertion wolf seph makes the same sort of reads. But that wasn't the assertion that you were actually making, was it? You didn't think seph was scum. Why say this?

 

Now that I spilled out my guts can we move past inanity? Or do you want to mistakenly think me not telling you all about me means I am a wolf? You know I am more annoyed that you expected me to answer you than I am that you voted me for such a silly reason.

 

Why did you change your mind about interrogating seph? 

[wish-tree]

UHHH LOOOOL

[wish-tree]

Lenore, how caught up are you?

 

I've read the beginning 20% of the thread

 

and I've read around the times when I was posting, wasn't able to do anything more than a skim for before then

 

Atm I have no idea what you and Sili are arguing about b/c I checked out lest I get distracted by it all 

[wish-tree]

okay, ya, that spoiler is broken, I don't even understand

 

just don't click it, the outside stuff is a duplicate

[Sili Quirrels]

 

I think youre being silly clov. I knew what i was doing. You didnt. Fine but you didnt look for evidence. That happens a lot. I just dont like it that you never admitted to the farce despite getting me to waste pages of time detailing a really trivial thing.

 

As a favor to the mods, I'm going to play nice here.  I don't want to, but I owe them that.  So here's what I'm going to say.

 

Everything I say in games, whether this one or any other, is based on evidence.  You disagree with my conclusions?  Whatever.  Given that it was about you in this case, I can hardly say I'm surprised.  But if you don't understand why I would look at what you said and form the opinions I did, that's your problem.  Because I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who thought it was bad.

 

Oh to be fair, I think I know what you're getting at now. But at the time you quoted one post and played just that one post up, only quoting other posts way after.

 

'Evidence'

 

I understand why you would. That has nothing to do with whether I think it was logical or not.

 

If I believe what you're saying about your conclusions about the 'contradiction' in my posts, then it is logical at least.

 

'grr'.

[Sili Quirrels]

eww what is this formatting

 

 

 

Sili Quirrels, on 05 Jun 2016 - 5:13 PM, said:

I dont feel like it. Lol.

 

Meh.

 

Hallia, on 05 Jun 2016 - 5:29 PM, said:

Sili you're losing me.

 

You're not the only one. Can you answer my earlier question?

 

Sili Quirrels, on 05 Jun 2016 - 5:34 PM, said:

i looked up nivannah and played their songs.

 

I meant to interrogate seph but i changed my mind. Necessary is too strong a word, but I think it is a reasonable assertion wolf seph makes the same sort of reads. But that wasn't the assertion that you were actually making, was it? You didn't think seph was scum. Why say this?

 

Now that I spilled out my guts can we move past inanity? Or do you want to mistakenly think me not telling you all about me means I am a wolf? You know I am more annoyed that you expected me to answer you than I am that you voted me for such a silly reason.

 

Why did you change your mind about interrogating seph? 

 

 

Sili Quirrels, on 05 Jun 2016 - 5:13 PM, said:

I dont feel like it. Lol.

 

Meh.

 

Hallia, on 05 Jun 2016 - 5:29 PM, said:

Sili you're losing me.

 

You're not the only one. Can you answer my earlier question?

 

Sili Quirrels, on 05 Jun 2016 - 5:34 PM, said:

i looked up nivannah and played their songs.

 

I meant to interrogate seph but i changed my mind. Necessary is too strong a word, but I think it is a reasonable assertion wolf seph makes the same sort of reads. But that wasn't the assertion that you were actually making, was it? You didn't think seph was scum. Why say this?

 

Now that I spilled out my guts can we move past inanity? Or do you want to mistakenly think me not telling you all about me means I am a wolf? You know I am more annoyed that you expected me to answer you than I am that you voted me for such a silly reason.

 

Why did you change your mind about interrogating seph? 

He reminded me of last game. You seemed a little off.

 

I've said this a few times now.

[wish-tree]

No, you didn't answer my question.

 

Why did you change your mind?

[seph]

BFG
alannalynn
Katiora
clov
Hallia
Sili Quirrels

Zander
dicetosser1
Lenlo

people I am not fond of
liz
nienal

people I need to iso
lily
wish

meh
darthe had 1 post I liked, but he seems to be making himself more difficult to read this game
thane- waiting for him to come back

[wish-tree]

hey seph, can you talk about how you moved from suspecting Sili to now? The cliffs would be fine, or a link to the relevant page numbers

[Sili Quirrels]

No, you didn't answer my question.

 

Why did you change your mind?

 

Uhm.

 

You mean I should interrogate people I'm not suspicious of?

 

Also, why interrogate people when your read of them is in flux. Seems like I'd have gotten into a pitbull match unnecessarily.

[Clovdyx]

 

hey kat, what exactly did you agree with zander on, in his regards to my progression?

I agreed with how you posted it it looked a little like it was you contradicting yourself. I can see what you say now, and it makes sense, but the problem is that I can't remember seeing the progression of that thought pattern in the thread. Now when you post it, it looks more like you're covering yourself instead of actually going through the thought process. But like I said yesterday I wanted to hear your explanation of how you got from "most suspicious" to "think he's town". 

 

I still understand and I'm not on board with lynching you (yet and I may never be) I would like some other people's thoughts... I'm honestly on the fence with everyone. There are so many people in here I have so little experience playing with that i'm having a hard time reading people.And there's people going after people that to me seem more town, like Zander, but I'm kinda shifty about him because I've never played in a game with him as Mafia so I really don't know what to look for, but I am not for taking people's word on other people's meta, especially when I don't know you, at all. And we have had so many hard core arguments between 2/3 people that to me were moot arguments that didn't mean anything that I feel a bit thrown off. I really feel like we're grasping at straws here and not making much progress finding scum. 

 

I mean right now we have this going down with Clov and Sili. I don't believe that either one of them really thinks the other is scum, i mean i could be reading you wrong but that's how i'm taking it, but their still arguing. The same happened with Lenlo and SIli yesterday (by the end neither of them really got anything fiured out) and with Zander and BFG. Then there have been a few genuine arguments about alignments but I have had such a hard time getting them into my head reading around the other arguments. I really need to go back and re-read most of yesterday's afternoon posts but I dread it so much.... 

 

 

/end wordy post

 

 

If I'm interpreting this correctly, you're saying that Seph's explanation makes sense but you don't necessarily believe it to be true.  Is that a fair assessment of your take on it?

 

If you think the larger arguments were moot points, what do you think people should be focusing on this game?  Because other than your big reads list (which, admittedly, wasn't HORRIBLE) every time you post, I feel every other post of yours is either an excuse for lack of activity/contribution or a lot of soft stances that you kind of play both sides on.

 

That's understandable for some people, but I feel like several players have said enough that you should have been able to offer up some opinion on them - even if it's changed.  ESPECIALLY if it's changed, even.

[seph]

at the top of page 46. I am taking a bit of a break, ill be around to answer anything irt though.
[unvote]

[Sili Quirrels]

'in flux in a positive direction' i mean.

[wish-tree]

 

No, you didn't answer my question.

 

Why did you change your mind?

 

Uhm.

 

You mean I should interrogate people I'm not suspicious of?

 

Also, why interrogate people when your read of them is in flux. Seems like I'd have gotten into a pitbull match unnecessarily.

 

 

Yeah, that's what I do. XD But I start off as naturally suspicious of everyone, even if I town read them, and my reads are subject to change b/c paranoia, so maybe that's different? I think you should interrogate people if your read isn't strong on them.

 

Maybe the question I'm trying to get at is, why did you change your mind about seph/read him town? Or wait, no... Why want to interrogate seph in the first place if you didn't scum read him, or is that not what happened?

[Sili Quirrels]

clovey dovey rd my last couple posts cause i'm not as antagonistic. maybe it will soothe us.

[seph]

hey seph, can you talk about how you moved from suspecting Sili to now? The cliffs would be fine, or a link to the relevant page numbers

you can read my earlier post for most of my thoughts, but during my catch up he stay consistent with his posts, which is hard for scum sili to do, atm I honestly feel like sili is never mafia 

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

No, you didn't answer my question.

 

Why did you change your mind?

 

Uhm.

 

You mean I should interrogate people I'm not suspicious of?

 

Also, why interrogate people when your read of them is in flux. Seems like I'd have gotten into a pitbull match unnecessarily.

 

 

Yeah, that's what I do. XD But I start off as naturally suspicious of everyone, even if I town read them, and my reads are subject to change b/c paranoia, so maybe that's different? I think you should interrogate people if your read isn't strong on them.

 

Maybe the question I'm trying to get at is, why did you change your mind about seph/read him town? Or wait, no... Why want to interrogate seph in the first place if you didn't scum read him, or is that not what happened?

 

I was suspicious of him, which is not the same thing as a scum read on page 3, but close enough to it to justify an interrogation.

[Niniel]

so lets see

 

theres a comment in there on reading of a player   zander in fact   and you say its not worth mentioning

 

then BFG is doing work asking questions of players    this is ure comment Id already asked her the question and this isnt answering it. Nothing worth mentioning    not sure what the first bit has to do with that quote but again not worth mentioning

 

then zander answers bfg but thats just more hamemring and not worth mentioning

 

then i continue to answer BFGs follow up  and u have no idea what its in reference too  so i assume u are skimming or only looking at things regarding you   but it not worth mentioning again

 

then u miss a point  ok fair enuff 

 

 

 

2nd set

 

finally one worth mentioning that you apparently already mentioned

 

more talk about how people read someone but not worth mentioning again

 

you missed another of clovs posts

 

 

 

So  if peoples comments about how they read and to an extent what they are reading a person are not worth mentioning what IS worth mentioning iyo??

 

I find it interesting that the two things you missed both happen to be clovs. I assume they are worth mentioning as you didnt say they werent.

 

I will try to remember the last line. It might show up important later. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ok but i want quotes up to the point where you said this not AFTER.  i want to see where youre coming from.

 

The longer you take to do it kinda makes it look a little worse tho imo.

 

You're not getting them. Let me try to explain this again, since you don't seem to be understanding me. I'm OVERWHELMED by the sheer amount of posting that's going on this game. It's the worst I've played in so far on DM. You couldn't pay me to slog through all that again and get quotes for you. I will do better later on when there is less posting or specific things catch my eye. For now, I have a couple of GUT reads. 

 

If you confuse being overwhelmed with being scummy, then vote me.

 

 

Gotta treat everyone the same Lily.

 

You said you trust her I want to know why.

 

 

Did I? I thought I said she feels town to me. I don't trust any of you yet.

 

 

Ya ok.

 

Why are you liking, reading her Town

 

 

You keep asking, like you expect my answer to change. Gut feeling.

 

 

 

I was actually reading Zander as town up until seeing this exchange....this reminds me of what he did to me in Mafia Karts :(

 

 

Low volume. low content players arent gonna skate by in my Town.

 

Ive got no problem with gut reads....but theres still gotta be a little substance to them.

 

Whats your problem with it?

 

Remember how you kept repeatedly asking me "why why why why why?" about Celeste in Mafia Karts?

 

Even after I repeatedly explained that I was meta reading her and that's how I knew she was town?

 

but you kept asking me why?

 

I don't have the full context, and I'll have to iso her later because I don't have enough to go on from the first 22 pages I read through, but that just pinged me. Up to that point (first 22 pages) your questioning felt like you were actually interested in answers, unlike what I saw/felt from you in mafia karts and chrono trigger

 

 

 

Sometimes I just dont like the answer Im given,.

 

But lmk know when youre completely caught up.

 

And we'll go from there.

 

 

But what is the point of repeatedly asking the same question if it doesn't get you a different answer? why not go at it from a different angle if you really think there's something there? Clogging up the thread with circular arguments that don't go anywhere just causes distractions.

 

Both times I've seen you as scum, this is the type of questioning I've seen you do that pinged me the wrong way.

 

And I'm never going to be fully caught up. I have to work in the morning.

 

 

Do we know when end of day is yet, by the way?

 

Like 2 days-ish iirc

 

you mean 2 days from now? as in wednesday?

 

 

 

I like this comment. This is what I mean with useless questions. 

 

I still don't feel better about Lenlo than I did before, though.  His defense against Sili basically boils down to the fact that Lenlo didn't say anybody was scummy, verbatim.  He's not wrong...but I don't see why Sili SHOULDN'T have read into Lenlo's post that way.  Saying somebody 'seems off' has a certain connotation to it.  It's no different than saying somebody 'sounds good'.  

 

So again, if Lenlo honestly WASN'T trying to imply a...lack of towniness?... he made that catch up post to contribute nothing.

 

And the entire time he was going back and forth with Sili over the same points, he still didn't really give any opinions that MATTER.  Even when he was saying Sili seemed like an over-committed wolf, Lenlo still treated him like he knew Sili was town.

 

 

Like, im trying to understand where your coming from and your reasons. But all your doing is hardlining against me and refusing me at almost every turn. Its not the attitude id expect of someone trying to solve the game, but rather someone who had over committed to a wolf read and knows theres no backing out now. Rather then discussing it and your other reads with me your shutting it down and saying "piss off wolf".

 

Cmon dude. Not talking aint gonna resolve/solve anything.

 

 

 

Like, im trying to understand where your coming from and your reasons. But all your doing is hardlining against me and refusing me at almost every turn. Its not the attitude id expect of someone trying to solve the game, but rather someone who had over committed to a wolf read and knows theres no backing out now. Rather then discussing it and your other reads with me your shutting it down and saying "piss off wolf".

 

Cmon dude. Not talking aint gonna resolve/solve anything.

I don't want to be stuck here for another 3 hours trying to communicate with a wolf when the wolf is intent on not understanding anything.

 

Quit it with the narrative. Im trying to move away from our argument because we both know the other wont budge. Fine.

 

So help me figure out everyone else. If im really a wolf, talking about other people will help you ferret them out. If im town it will give you more to go on in the future. Your not getting a lynch with just you so until other people weigh in and add something new, talk about other reads.

 

 

How do you make the red statement and the blue statements to/about the same person?

 

I like this post too. 

 

 

 

@Laine - the reason that I like BFG is that she is asking a lot of questions, follows through and is very active. Those are things that I think is TownBFG.

 

@Dice - I can´t go back and find those post now but look at the ones that Liz (and earlier Lily) brought up. It´s a lot of meaningless questioning. It seem like they are there just to be there.

 

 

 

I like Liz´s posts so far.

I was wondering if Wish would post the iso´s that she talked about and she did. I get a townie feeling from her.

Again, Lily´s posts doesn´t show any alignment but she hasn´t done anything odd yet so a very small + for her.

I like some of Clov´s posts but I don´t understand some of them because I have sometimes already forgotten about the things he is commenting on. But he gets a +.

 

I don´t mind keeping my vote on Zander.

I could vote Lenlo. 

I´m not comfortable with Kat´s posts but maybe it´s because I don´t know her? 

[Clovdyx]

 

Lenore, how caught up are you?

 

I've read the beginning 20% of the thread

 

and I've read around the times when I was posting, wasn't able to do anything more than a skim for before then

 

Atm I have no idea what you and Sili are arguing about b/c I checked out lest I get distracted by it all 

 

 

Meant to reply to this, too.

 

You might want to read the next 20% or so, because I'm pretty sure the answers to basically everything you're questioning has already been hashed out.  I understand drawing conclusions from it, but I'm not sure there's a whole lot more productive discussion to be had there, unless you bring YOUR thoughts into it.

[wish-tree]

Okay, got it. Thank you. See, that wasn't so hard, was it?