[Basic] I <3 the 90's Mafia: Music Edition - TOWN WINS!

[Clovdyx]

Looked over Stork's posts, mostly because it's a hell of a lot quicker than looking through Lenore's.  Here's most of what we've got for players that are still alive:

 

 

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  On 6/8/2016 at 1:22 AM, Stork said:

i like the bfg dice interactions for bfg v dice w, this response from dice: 

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 9:11 AM, dicetosser1 said:

BFG  whats weirding you out?  that i didnt give a definite answer Zander is town/mafia?  I do have to take time to make a read sometimes you know and he has not been super obvious town zander that i pick up on 2 posts or so

 

is especially heinous

 

 

alannas big post (not sure how to do quotes good) is pretty decently villagery, though maybe not for the obvious reasons

 

i think the first ~half of it is meaningless and could be wolfy (but mostly null), then it feels like she actually realises she has to engage with the content and not just broadly ask questions

 

 

now that i wrote that read out its less strong, but usually that kind of progression in ONE post is more likely a villager since a wolf would just rewrite the whole thing

 

 

  On 6/8/2016 at 1:37 AM, Stork said:

i think more and more that bfg/dice is not w/w now

 

 

  On 6/8/2016 at 1:50 AM, Stork said:

 

  On 6/8/2016 at 1:50 AM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/8/2016 at 1:37 AM, Stork said:

i think more and more that bfg/dice is not w/w now

Why did you think that they were?

 

 

i didn't...?

 

 

  On 6/8/2016 at 2:13 AM, Stork said:

lenlo repeating the "he is word but he was weird last time" is a stinker wrt seph

 

 

  On 6/8/2016 at 2:31 AM, Stork said:

hm

 

don't really like clovdyx on page 31, though i only know his "play" from his attitude in skype chats/on mu

 

he isn't actually DOING anything, and i know he believes himself to be a god amongst mortals

 

his defense of seph to zanders attack is pretty hideous, could easily be w/w

 

would think he would be going out of his way to lead

 

 

  On 6/8/2016 at 2:36 AM, Stork said:

i like that lenlo post though

 

feels like i am reading too slowly and barely noticing a lot of posters (halie/alanna/etc.) because of the kerfuffling which doesn't seem especially impactful

 

 

  On 6/8/2016 at 2:42 AM, Stork said:

 

  On 6/8/2016 at 2:39 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 6/8/2016 at 2:36 AM, Stork said:

i like that lenlo post though
 
feels like i am reading too slowly and barely noticing a lot of posters (halie/alanna/etc.) because of the kerfuffling which doesn't seem especially impactful

Which lenlo post?

 

the one the follows on from the zander post about seph being inconsistent

 

goes

something that is ok OK

something that is ok OK

something that is inconsitent NOT OK

 

liked the sentiment and the construction

 

 

  On 6/8/2016 at 3:09 AM, Stork said:

feeling less good about bfg by page 45, still slightly town mostly because she made that post that said she doesn't lead as town and then proceeded to not really lead, but the post on p43 is especially prickly

 

like darthe so far, have agreed with much of what he has said and had similar feelings

 

 

  On 6/8/2016 at 3:26 AM, Stork said:

i think sili is pretty villagery too

 

 

 

 

 

Not a whole lot to give me any strong impressions, but a few things stood out to me.

 

-Was very supportive of BFG.  Not reading too much into this, because I know Stork was aware that she was the rep and did exceptionally well in her game, so he would have some incentive to get on her good side there.  Not sure what I think of him stating he feels better about her and Dice not being mafia together, when he hadn't done anything to give the impression he ought to feel that way.  (Maybe a slightly good look for Liz?)

 

-Red makes me a little more worried about Alanna.  He's calling her out for what was one of her biggest contributions, or at least saying it was null, but then tries to give her town credit for making it.  The bottom seems like a major stretch, as well.  It makes me feel he was looking for a reason to paint a teammate in a good light.  

 

-Says he barely remembers Hallia and Alanna, an hour after saying her big post was villagery. 

 

-Calls a post by Lenlo a stinker, but makes it a point to give him credit for another one.  He follows up with me after I question him on this.  If he's pushing a mislynch on Lenlo, who was already looking bad at this point, he probably doesn't bother to call attention to that post.

[alannalynn]

  On 6/13/2016 at 3:26 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 3:23 AM, alannalynn said:

Sili my Iso is only 5 pages :)

i'm lazy and i have no real reason to suspect you yet.

 

but hallia's town and there is a chance she saw something i didn't. i can't trust my judgement about you besides.

Hally is literally using one misunderstanding as her whole case on me so I don't really know why... I've been townie when I've been here I think lol 

Why the bold?

 

[BFG]

Chris, can you explain the 'maybe a slightly good look for Liz'?

[alannalynn]

I need to start listening to Zander. And I probably need to fix my Wish bias =/ Sorry Z

[Clovdyx]

EoD from D1:

 

 

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  On 6/8/2016 at 8:20 PM, keyholder21 said:

 

Official Vote Count:

 

Seph (4) - Darthe, Besie, dice, Wistork

Lenlo (4) - alannalynn, Niniel, Clov, Sili

Niniel (3) - Hallia, Katiora, Lenlo

Wistork (2) - Seph, Zander

 

Not Voting (3) - BFG, Lily, Lizabeth, 

 

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. 

 

DEADLINE: Wednesday, June 8, 4:30pm CST
 

 

 

Using this as the starting point.  I was going to do the colors on all of them, but that one alone took about a minute.  I'm pretty lazy.  

 

  On 6/8/2016 at 8:23 PM, keyholder21 said:

 

Official Vote Count:

 

Seph (4) - Darthe, Besie, dice, Wistork

Lenlo (3) - alannalynn, Niniel, Clov,

Niniel (3) - Hallia, Katiora, Lenlo

Wistork (3) - Seph, Zander, Sili

 

Not Voting (3) - BFG, Lily, Lizabeth, 

 

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. 

 

DEADLINE: Wednesday, June 8, 4:30pm CST
 

 

 

Sili moves from Lenlo to Wish.  

 

  On 6/8/2016 at 8:33 PM, keyholder21 said:

 

Official Vote Count:

 

Wistork (4) - Seph, Zander, Sili, Hallia

Seph (4) - Darthe, Besie, dice, Wistork

Lenlo (3) - alannalynn, Niniel, Clov,

Niniel (2) - Katiora, Lenlo

 

 

Not Voting (3) - BFG, Lily, Lizabeth, 

 

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. 

 

DEADLINE: Wednesday, June 8, 4:30pm CST
 

 

 

Hallia forces the tie between Seph and Wish, effectively removing Niniel the pool.

 

  On 6/8/2016 at 8:36 PM, keyholder21 said:

 

Official Vote Count:

 

Wistork (5) - Seph, Zander, Sili, Hallia, Katiora

Seph (4) - Darthe, Besie, dice, Wistork

Lenlo (3) - alannalynn, Niniel, Clov,

Niniel (1) - Lenlo

 

 

Not Voting (3) - BFG, Lily, Lizabeth, 

 

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. 

 

DEADLINE: Wednesday, June 8, 4:30pm CST
 

 

 

Kat breaks the tie between Wish and Seph.

 

  On 6/8/2016 at 8:44 PM, keyholder21 said:

 

Official Vote Count:

 

Wistork (5) - Seph, Zander, Sili, Hallia, Katiora

Seph (5) - Darthe, Besie, dice, Wistork, Lenlo

Lenlo (3) - alannalynn, Niniel, Clov,

 

Not Voting (3) - BFG, Lily, Lizabeth, 

 

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. 

 

DEADLINE: Wednesday, June 8, 4:30pm CST
 

 

 

Lenlo votes for Seph, putting him in a tie with Lenore.

 

  On 6/8/2016 at 8:49 PM, keyholder21 said:

 

Official Vote Count:

 

Seph (6) - Darthe, Besie, dice, Wistork, Lenlo, Lily

Wistork (5) - Seph, Zander, Sili, Hallia, Katiora

Lenlo (3) - alannalynn, Niniel, Clov,

 

Not Voting (2) - BFG, Lizabeth, 

 

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. 

 

DEADLINE: Wednesday, June 8, 4:30pm CST
 

 

 

Lily votes for Seph, breaking the tie.

 

 

 

 

-Kat choosing to unvote a mislynch and prevent another mislynch by voting mafia is obvious.  I don't really think anybody is going to argue this one.

-Not that she really neeed any credit, but Hallia opting to tie Wish with Seph is a great look for her.

 

-Sili's vote is completely null at this point.  If Lenlo is town, it remains null for Sili.  The change wouldn't have mattered one way or another, since a townie would still have been leading.  If Lenlo is mafia, this is really bad for Sili.  He evened the wagons between Wish and Tina, but he also broke the tie between Lenlo and Seph, leaving Seph in the lead alone.

 

 

-Lenlo's vote looks bad now.  I was giving him a lot of credit for how he explained the rationale before.  It's still a very good thought process so I'm not prepared to completely crucify him over this, but knowing that his vote took a confirmed mafia (who he thought was a little scummy) off the block is never very inspiring.  

 

-Lily's vote looks awful.  I couldn't remember what her reasoning was, so I looked it up.

 

 

  On 6/8/2016 at 8:45 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

I was townreading Wish before I fell behind, so I'm going to 

 

Vote Seph

 

 

That was the first time all game she had mentioned Seph, in any capacity.  From what I can tell, her townread of Wish stems from this.

 

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 9:32 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 8:44 PM, wish-tree said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 8:39 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 8:34 PM, wish-tree said:

Do you not see what I'm saying?

 

you've been ticking my boxes for all the things I know of your scum meta

 

You haven't been not ticking them, therefore I had a scum lean on you that I'm trying to reevaluate and develop, except you're so focused on the part that it doesn't seem to be right that you're ignoring the fact that it is an EARLY READ AND THEREFORE SUBJECT TO CHANGE

 

I know but Im questioning them and telling you they are Null.

 

Why are you whining when you asked for this???

 

Makes no sense to me at all.

 

 

Pretty sure I'm not whining, I'm just irritated 

 

I understand that they are null fypov, but to me, they made me think you were scummy. Furthermore, Katiora, someone who I don't read as town, telling me that I'm just wrong about you, doesn't make me feel any better about you.

 

 

I like this post, and I agree with it. I'm not reading either of them as town, either. Wish, you are giving me town feels. 

 

 

[Clovdyx]

  On 6/13/2016 at 8:31 AM, BFG said:

Chris, can you explain the 'maybe a slightly good look for Liz'?

 

Two reasons.  One, because I was thinking the same thought when I saw that post during my review -  her picking up on something that stood out to me is a probably a good sign? Two, I'm undecided whether she calls attention to something very minor like that when it's her teammate making it.

[Clovdyx]

Alanna, what was making you feel good about Lenore, besides tone?

[Clovdyx]

  On 6/12/2016 at 10:22 PM, BFG said:

Lily/Kat look pretty good right now

 

What are you seeing from Lily that makes you think this?  I don't remember Wish ever being an option on D2, and I don't see how you possibly reach that conclusion about her from D1.

[Clovdyx]

  On 6/13/2016 at 12:31 AM, BFG said:

Thinking aloud, Liz has been challenging my read on Chris a lot. Generically I want to say this makes them unlikely teammates which makes Chris town unless Darthe was right about it being a 3 man lol, but I'm biased at this point since Chris is probably the read I 'want' to be right on the most

 

I thought you said you did think I was town....?

[Clovdyx]

  On 6/13/2016 at 1:38 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 1:07 AM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 1:05 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/8/2016 at 8:35 PM, Katiora said:

well at least it's someone in my bottom...... 

 

I still think Nin is Scum btw. Just seems that no one is going there and it's almost EoD. And really Wish's defense of her doesn't make me feel that much better about Wish. 

 

 

 

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[v]wishstork[/v]

I don't think I should townread this Bfg.

 

Why not?

 

I've been feeling better about Kat throughout Day 1 and she pushes Wistork Day 2 iirc. I remember Darthe(?)ointing some weird stuff out about her Day 2, but I'm not there yet in my reread

 

Well I don't know about anything else, but what I do know is that in lenlo, liz, lil, kat, and besie there is 3 wolves or so.

 

besie seems like town. lil kind of seems like town. and it seems like kat has seph as a strong townread there. Some wolves bus to avoid voting their strong town reads.

 

 

Again, what makes you think Lily seems like town?  Her EoD1 vote looks really bad, and I don't really care at all that she voted Wish today.  Let's be honest - that lynch was never going through today.  Lenlo was almost certainly going to be the lynch, and I think you were considerably more likely than she was.  

 

 

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  On 6/12/2016 at 7:08 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

I'm still in my gut feeling range. As the game progresses, I should get more reasons for my thoughts than just that. 

 

WTL - Wish and Liz today. Honestly not sure about Lenlo. 

 

Not going to vote until I see a vote count. I think there may have been one this morning. I'll go check. 

 

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 7:10 PM, BlomBesie said:

Responding here first 'cause it's most recently asked. I'll get to the other ones soon.

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 6:15 PM, BFG said:

Ok Besie, can you talk me through your reaction to Niniel's claim?

 

Starting at the beginning.

 

1 - I came into the thread and she was a lynch train so I:

2 - iso'd her here - and thought she seemed scummy for the reasons stated, which is why I had no problem with

3 - voting her here, start D2. I had no problem keeping my vote on her for the same reason I had a problem with Liz's vote on Dice as I explained in my iso of her. I wanted to get rid of one scum, and then try to find another. I was asked about it and I explained it here - same thing. I also started doing iso's on other players who I thought may be scum, based on both other players thoughts, and (mostly) my own gut feels.

4 - then she was at L-1. I was knee-deep in my next iso and... I freaked out. And unvoted here. I think my mind just couldn't cope - i explained it here. I did not feel ready for the game to continue - simply because I did not have any other solid scum reads at that point in time.

5 - And then exactly 5 minutes passed, and I voted her again. I reasoning is there, and is the same reason as in #3 here.

6 - Then she claimed. I've stated many times how I feel about claiming. I don't understand it; it doesn't make sense to me. I also still remember the lectures I got in the previous games for believing claims (VT, mind). So I didn't change my vote. Instead I went off to find possible proof that she might be lying. Like me asking why she didn't claim during D1 when she was at L-2. 

7 - people went at me hard. Apparently a doc claim is not the same as a vt claim. Liz said she had soft-claimed earlier (which i had taken to being almost like breadcrumbing, but apparently it was something different [stated in #8]) - and i trust breadcrumb. That was an actual fault on my side, and my reason was wrong there. But yeah, after that comment about soft-claiming I (grumpily) accepted the claim.

8 - I can't find the post right now, but the reason why i then stayed on her as town was because of Dice. He said that her soft claim had been her asking if she should claim. She had gone to bed whilst she wasn't near being lynched, and had asked if she should claim to not be lynched - apparently some had believed her. 

 

Thinking back, I still don't know why her train had gone up to L-2 if most people had believed her "soft claim" when she had asked if she should claim. ... 

 

I'm slightly confused about the last part now. Can someone explain it to me for shiggles and gits (since niniel is confirmed doc and it won't actually help the game play? ... unless we must look at everyone who added on to her train? after she had asked? why did the train fall apart at l-2?)

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 7:11 PM, BlomBesie said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 7:04 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

What is WIM? I've seem it a lot in thread and can't figure it out.

 

I can't remember exactly what it stands for but it's the Will to Win basically.

 

 

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  On 6/12/2016 at 6:59 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

Thanks for that ISO, Besie. Liz has been feeling more scummy to me of late, and I'm glad to know I'm not the only one.

 

Actually going the other way with me 

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 7:04 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

What is WIM? I've seem it a lot in thread and can't figure it out.

Want it more

 

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 7:12 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

Thanks, Besie

 

Vote Wish

 

Based mostly on Kat's case, I admit, but it doesn't look good for her. 

 

 

 

 

 

This does nothing to inspire confidence in me whatsoever.  I have no problem with people holding their votes until they know what the count is.  But if she was genuinely concerned with 'getting it right', she's not going to throw it down three posts later for no reason.

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 1:41 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

certainly easier for someone to justify a bus if two wagons are wolves and the one that is a town wagon is a strong town read.

 

 

What is this in reply to?

[BFG]

  On 6/13/2016 at 9:53 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 10:22 PM, BFG said:

Lily/Kat look pretty good right now

What are you seeing from Lily that makes you think this? I don't remember Wish ever being an option on D2, and I don't see how you possibly reach that conclusion about her from D1.

Day 3?

 

although I see we disagree there, and I'm not sure the Lenlo lynch was as guaranteed as you do

[BFG]

Ok I'll look through Day 3 again

[BFG]

  On 6/13/2016 at 10:00 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 12:31 AM, BFG said:

Thinking aloud, Liz has been challenging my read on Chris a lot. Generically I want to say this makes them unlikely teammates which makes Chris town unless Darthe was right about it being a 3 man lol, but I'm biased at this point since Chris is probably the read I 'want' to be right on the most

I thought you said you did think I was town....?

I... do?

 

I've been saying you're town for a pretty long time with comparatively little tinfoil and I want to be right :/

[Clovdyx]

  On 6/13/2016 at 2:32 AM, Lizabeth said:

Knowing that Lenny was mafia makes it next to impossible that Kat was mafia with her. I'm pretty sure that Kat was the first one to go back to Lenny on D2 and start pointing out the patterns that other people weren't noticing. I know Chris did it too, I think Lily did it after Kat, but I'm pretty sure that Kat was the first one.

 

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 2:34 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

'next to impossible'

 

You know something about kat's personality i don't?

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 2:38 AM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 2:34 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

'next to impossible'

 

You know something about kat's personality i don't?

Why would she draw attention to a scum partner when attention had moved away from her scum partner?

 

why point out things that other people weren't noticing when people were gearing up to lynch one of two townies?

 

Why would she unvote Niniel BEFORE Niniel made her claim in order to vote for a scum partner?

 

 

Ignoring the fact that sometimes mafia do stupid things, I don't think this is a bad conclusion at all.  The bold is actually a very good point.

 

I have no idea why Sili is arguing this.  Besides saying that he's not arguing with her conclusion, he's arguing with how she went about getting there.

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 2:43 AM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 2:39 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 2:36 AM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 2:24 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

i guess that might be considered a wolfy comment by  lilly, but it seemed so natural to me lol

Why?

 

 

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 2:36 AM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 2:25 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

wish was just a goon too. i'm more than willing to forego the town cred if no one else get's credit they shouldn't.

What?

 

we know wolves have at least one pr.

 

it would make sense if they had 2.

 

wish is just a goon. easy to justify bussing a goon depending on team comp and your own thread stances.

 

That reasoning would make sense IF Wish were in danger of being lynched at that point. But she wasn't, if I'm recalling correctly -- I actually saved all the vote count posts so I can look back at this for sure, but I remember making a note that it was highly unlikely that Kat and Lenny could be scumbuddies based on the timing of Kat's flip of the attention onto Wish. It's ridiculous to think that a mafia member would sacrifice any team member like that when they didn't have to, when that scum partner was nearly lynched the day before and turning attention to them when other people were up to lynched could get them close to a lynch again.

 

I didn't get the impression that DM was a site where people bussed partners just for the sake of bussing...

 

 

Have you ever met Zander?

 

That's not even entirely rhetorical.  I had to tell him NOT to bus me for no reason at the start of the quick topic.  That wasn't because I was trying to be cute.

[Clovdyx]

  On 6/13/2016 at 10:25 AM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 10:00 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 12:31 AM, BFG said:

Thinking aloud, Liz has been challenging my read on Chris a lot. Generically I want to say this makes them unlikely teammates which makes Chris town unless Darthe was right about it being a 3 man lol, but I'm biased at this point since Chris is probably the read I 'want' to be right on the most

I thought you said you did think I was town....?

I... do?

 

I've been saying you're town for a pretty long time with comparatively little tinfoil and I want to be right :/

 

 

Then I guess I misunderstood what you were saying.  You said "which makes Chris town", suggesting that us not being teammates is the reason for that read.  Everything you've posted recently gave the impression you DID feel that way independently, so it seemed strange that it was now conditional on Liz being mafia.

[BFG]

I process possible teammates independently from reads, although it's more complicated than that since reads influence how I think people will act and thus which teammates I strike out

 

essentially if I was right on Kat/Sili/Lily and you're not mafia with Lenlo/Besie/Liz then you become close to being mechanically cleared, as opposed to from a read.

 

I have to look more carefully at Sili/Lily though

[Hallia]

  On 6/13/2016 at 8:27 AM, alannalynn said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 3:26 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 3:23 AM, alannalynn said:

Sili my Iso is only 5 pages :)

i'm lazy and i have no real reason to suspect you yet.

 

but hallia's town and there is a chance she saw something i didn't. i can't trust my judgement about you besides.

Hally is literally using one misunderstanding as her whole case on me so I don't really know why... I've been townie when I've been here I think lol

Why the bold?

Yes, something regarding me and something regarding Zander is literally one post. Right.

[Sili Quirrels]

  On 6/13/2016 at 10:13 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 1:38 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 1:07 AM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 1:05 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/8/2016 at 8:35 PM, Katiora said:

well at least it's someone in my bottom...... 

 

I still think Nin is Scum btw. Just seems that no one is going there and it's almost EoD. And really Wish's defense of her doesn't make me feel that much better about Wish. 

 

 

 

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[v]wishstork[/v]

I don't think I should townread this Bfg.

 

Why not?

 

I've been feeling better about Kat throughout Day 1 and she pushes Wistork Day 2 iirc. I remember Darthe(?)ointing some weird stuff out about her Day 2, but I'm not there yet in my reread

 

Well I don't know about anything else, but what I do know is that in lenlo, liz, lil, kat, and besie there is 3 wolves or so.

 

besie seems like town. lil kind of seems like town. and it seems like kat has seph as a strong townread there. Some wolves bus to avoid voting their strong town reads.

 

 

Again, what makes you think Lily seems like town?  Her EoD1 vote looks really bad, and I don't really care at all that she voted Wish today.  Let's be honest - that lynch was never going through today.  Lenlo was almost certainly going to be the lynch, and I think you were considerably more likely than she was.  

 

 

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  On 6/12/2016 at 7:08 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

I'm still in my gut feeling range. As the game progresses, I should get more reasons for my thoughts than just that. 

 

WTL - Wish and Liz today. Honestly not sure about Lenlo. 

 

Not going to vote until I see a vote count. I think there may have been one this morning. I'll go check. 

 

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 7:10 PM, BlomBesie said:

Responding here first 'cause it's most recently asked. I'll get to the other ones soon.

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 6:15 PM, BFG said:

Ok Besie, can you talk me through your reaction to Niniel's claim?

 

Starting at the beginning.

 

1 - I came into the thread and she was a lynch train so I:

2 - iso'd her here - and thought she seemed scummy for the reasons stated, which is why I had no problem with

3 - voting her here, start D2. I had no problem keeping my vote on her for the same reason I had a problem with Liz's vote on Dice as I explained in my iso of her. I wanted to get rid of one scum, and then try to find another. I was asked about it and I explained it here - same thing. I also started doing iso's on other players who I thought may be scum, based on both other players thoughts, and (mostly) my own gut feels.

4 - then she was at L-1. I was knee-deep in my next iso and... I freaked out. And unvoted here. I think my mind just couldn't cope - i explained it here. I did not feel ready for the game to continue - simply because I did not have any other solid scum reads at that point in time.

5 - And then exactly 5 minutes passed, and I voted her again. I reasoning is there, and is the same reason as in #3 here.

6 - Then she claimed. I've stated many times how I feel about claiming. I don't understand it; it doesn't make sense to me. I also still remember the lectures I got in the previous games for believing claims (VT, mind). So I didn't change my vote. Instead I went off to find possible proof that she might be lying. Like me asking why she didn't claim during D1 when she was at L-2. 

7 - people went at me hard. Apparently a doc claim is not the same as a vt claim. Liz said she had soft-claimed earlier (which i had taken to being almost like breadcrumbing, but apparently it was something different [stated in #8]) - and i trust breadcrumb. That was an actual fault on my side, and my reason was wrong there. But yeah, after that comment about soft-claiming I (grumpily) accepted the claim.

8 - I can't find the post right now, but the reason why i then stayed on her as town was because of Dice. He said that her soft claim had been her asking if she should claim. She had gone to bed whilst she wasn't near being lynched, and had asked if she should claim to not be lynched - apparently some had believed her. 

 

Thinking back, I still don't know why her train had gone up to L-2 if most people had believed her "soft claim" when she had asked if she should claim. ... 

 

I'm slightly confused about the last part now. Can someone explain it to me for shiggles and gits (since niniel is confirmed doc and it won't actually help the game play? ... unless we must look at everyone who added on to her train? after she had asked? why did the train fall apart at l-2?)

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 7:11 PM, BlomBesie said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 7:04 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

What is WIM? I've seem it a lot in thread and can't figure it out.

 

I can't remember exactly what it stands for but it's the Will to Win basically.

 

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 7:12 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 6:59 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

Thanks for that ISO, Besie. Liz has been feeling more scummy to me of late, and I'm glad to know I'm not the only one.

 

Actually going the other way with me 

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 7:04 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

What is WIM? I've seem it a lot in thread and can't figure it out.

Want it more

 

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 7:12 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

Thanks, Besie

 

Vote Wish

 

Based mostly on Kat's case, I admit, but it doesn't look good for her. 

 

 

 

 

 

This does nothing to inspire confidence in me whatsoever.  I have no problem with people holding their votes until they know what the count is.  But if she was genuinely concerned with 'getting it right', she's not going to throw it down three posts later for no reason.

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 1:41 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

certainly easier for someone to justify a bus if two wagons are wolves and the one that is a town wagon is a strong town read.

 

 

What is this in reply to?

 

I think if you read my content fully and honestly from the start of night you'll see where i reference the content i was basing the lily read off of.

 

I have not actually read lily in detail so she is not a strong read. That is why she is in my poe. Was just on the town end of it.

[Sili Quirrels]

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Ignoring the fact that sometimes mafia do stupid things, I don't think this is a bad conclusion at all.  The bold is actually a very good point.

 

nin was at 7 votes ya?

 

 

if i am remembering the day correctly, lol.

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-Sili's vote is completely null at this point.  If Lenlo is town, it remains null for Sili.  The change wouldn't have mattered one way or another, since a townie would still have been leading.  If Lenlo is mafia, this is really bad for Sili.  He evened the wagons between Wish and Tina, but he also broke the tie between Lenlo and Seph, leaving Seph in the lead alone.

 

your bias is pretty clear. kat looks strong for voting wish, but i don't. whatever.

 

i voted wish before eod with the intent of lynching her because it showed to everyone who was saying they wanted to lynch wish that wish was viable.

[Sili Quirrels]

like you actually have to read the thread maybe, and you haven't done that hopefully. because my only other conclusion is you're seriously off your game.

[Sili Quirrels]

that was at Clov.

[Sili Quirrels]

  On 6/13/2016 at 8:27 AM, alannalynn said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 3:26 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 3:23 AM, alannalynn said:

Sili my Iso is only 5 pages :)

i'm lazy and i have no real reason to suspect you yet.

 

but hallia's town and there is a chance she saw something i didn't. i can't trust my judgement about you besides.

Hally is literally using one misunderstanding as her whole case on me so I don't really know why... I've been townie when I've been here I think lol 

Why the bold?

 

you seem like town, more town than wish was.

 

my tone reads are lacking and my read on you is just intuitionn.

 

my intuition is influenced by bias when there's a lack of information. and i don't really want you to be a wolf. that's all.

 

maybe i could read you if i tried, but we know how that turned out last time.

[Sili Quirrels]

  On 6/13/2016 at 6:48 AM, BlomBesie said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 6:37 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

Besie u think the correct conclusion is kat is nearly never a wolf?

I don't think we can make that conclusion. Yes, I like that opinion changed in time. And it's if it's true that she was the first to build a case on wish then that is a good point for her. But, as you said, sometimes bussing a teammate - especially a goon - is an easy way to clear your name when that person flips.

 

All in all I really want to go find whether she really was the first person to build a case against wish, and what the reactions to it was. I confess, I tend to see more WIFOM than anything else in trying to judge someone's reactions but meh.

 

Okay, I wasn't sure what you meant.

 

I think it does look good for kat specifically because wish was playing so strongly and kat wasn't in the immediate poe. Whether she's a goon or not you try not to bus your strong allies.

[Sili Quirrels]

pretty sure i was the first person to go at wish in a big way. i mean i called them out hard.

 

then i dropped it the next day when their 'tone' got to me but whatever, because i'm not trying to claim credit here. i'm just pointing out that sometimes i come to the right conclusion in the right way.