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  On 6/12/2016 at 3:08 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 3:02 PM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 8:54 AM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/11/2016 at 9:51 PM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/11/2016 at 9:41 PM, BFG said:

Liz, what's made me move up your list?

Your activity during the night, especially the isos, your actual pushes on people today.

 

To be honest, I was hesitating on you most of the game because I've always heard that you tend to be a strong town leader when you're town and you lay low when you're scum. For the first two days you felt kind of in the middle for me. But reading through last night and today you moved up. You're taking charge and taking names and all that :)

 

I'm rarely a town leader Tbh nor would I say I'm actually pushing anyone yet today

 

Okay...that's not what I heard.

 

And as I recall you've been questioning and pushing lenlo pretty hard today. And you've also been quite thorough in questioning me and following up on other lines of inquiry last night.

 

Should I NOT be town reading you right now...?

 

I can think of maybe 3 games in the past year where I 'could' be considered a town leader /shrug I really don't think it's important though.

 

And I guess the rest is perception.

 

I'm well outside my mafia meta at this point, but you've never seen that so :p

 

That's what I've been saying...

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Okay, I stopped being lazy and looked it up.

 

Besie and Hallia - what was Sili like when he played SK in the Lost mafia game?

 

(and I'm sad I only have 3 names on my quotes/mentions notification petition...)

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  On 6/12/2016 at 3:19 PM, Lizabeth said:

 

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I don't know how else to explain my play style to you. I'm assuming though that you read the Orphan Black game or at least parts of it that played on PerC? That's a good example of my play style. If we're allowed to link  games from other sites here I'll go find it and link it to you.

 

I basically realized two days in that it was impossible for me to use that style effectively in this environment because the thread was too large, there is no quote/mention system to make it easier for me to find and follow up on responses, and I didn't have enough time or mental energy to read the entire thread. I wasn't saying I'm not willing to push someone without testing my theories. I'm saying I didn't have time. You yourself noted the way that I tried to get Seph to respond to my question when he and I were finally in the thread at the same time. That's not me not trying to push.

 

The way I went after my SK read in Orphan Black, for example, was this (I was right by the way - but no one listened to me and she killed me N1 and she didnt' get lynched until D4 or something):

 

I noticed she was posting in a way that was different from her typical way of posting. Everyone else was reading her as town.

I dropped hints that maybe I wasn't so convinced that she was town without coming right out and saying "hey! she's not town"

I evaluated her reactions to my hints (she basically ignored it and tried to buddy me more, if I'm remembering correctly)

I then started throwing out stronger hints, suggestions, without actually saying "Hey I think you're the SK" but to make her question how I was actually reading her

She got extremely nervous and demanding to know how I was reading her, without addressing my hints that I specifically thought she could be the SK

After I felt I had enough data - she went ballistic on me and OMGUSed me with a bogus case on why I was scum - I did an indepth post about why her case on me being scum was bogus and why I believed she was the SK

I decided not to push a lynch on her (which I regret) because I foolishly hoped that she and mafia would cross target each other and nobody was paying attention to my case on her anyway because there were bigger fights brewing

She kills me N1 and even my mason partner didn't follow up on the case the next day, which :dry:

 

In a game where I can keep up with the thread, that approach works. In a game where I can't even tell who has responded to what, it fails miserably.

 

AS for my iso on Seph, if you pay attention to what I wrote, I was rushed. I actually wound up being late for work that morning because I got caught up in reading through my notes, reanalyzing them, and organizing them concisely and coherently enough to post in the thread. The "protecting a town buddy" was actually copied directly from my notes and shouldn't have been copied into the thread - it was basically my comment to myself and I honestly don't remember what I intended by that. I know that at a certain point I wondered if you and Seph might be scumbuddies and he was giving you cover or if he was buddying you because he knew you were town - and yes, a town leader - and wanted to get on your good side.

 

But that brings up something about the whole "town leader" thing. Because yes, I heard about you and your playstyle from before the game started. But early in the game there were multiple people who referenced you as a strong town player and seemed to see being on your good side as a good thing. So why are you saying that you don't consider yourself to be a town leader?

 

I am trying to take into consideration coming into the game behind (I've been in that situation) and I'm trying to discount parts of Day 1 because I know how much time talking things through with Zander can take.

 

It's not about your ISO of Seph, it's about your apparent thought process up till then. Leading up to your ISO of Seph you seemed to be paying more attention to Zander and Lenlo than Seph. I know that you and Zander were in thread at the same time, so maybe that's it. But with Lenlo I'm thinking specifically of the post(s?) where you agreed with somebody else about a point made on Lenlo.

 

Leading up to your vote on Dice you seemed to be paying more attention to Darthe.

 

Your current push on Lenlo is sustained throughout the game, I don't see the same for either Seph or Dice

 

 

 

And unfortunately I didn't read Orphan Black or MK (although I read parts of that one) :(

 

Chris and I don't necessarily agree about whether or not I'm 'good' at this game

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  On 6/12/2016 at 3:30 PM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 12:07 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 12:00 PM, alannalynn said:

BFG I really don't see what you're seeing in my content. I've barely been here and don't know what's going on and my reads are half the game old.... =/

Your read on me.

 

Most people this game are giving me passes on activity, which isn't unreasonable considering most of my mafia games over the past year. Your point about tone change suggests that you're actually reading my posts and trying to determine my alignment instead of going with the easy read.

 

If I'm in that category of people reading you based on volume, I don't think that's what I said.

 

I feel like you're repeatedly either misunderstanding or misrepresenting the things that I've said. Chris has already pointed that out to you multiple times as well.

 

Not referring to you, and volume is simplifying what most people seem to be saying anyway to be fair.

 

As for the rest :dry:

 

As far as I can tell, the only thing I was 'wrong' about was that I excluded the number of times you asked for reads on Seph, when I said you were paying more attention to other people because I missed them first time I read your ISO and did actually include them when I spotted them. Considering you didn't consider the responses I don't think this is unreasonable - ACCEPTING that no notifications/thread volume makes this difficult

 

We then disagreed as to whether you had actually started reading Zander as mafia or not, which I asked you to clarify

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Lizabeth

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  On 6/12/2016 at 3:53 PM, BFG said:

 

I am trying to take into consideration coming into the game behind (I've been in that situation) and I'm trying to discount parts of Day 1 because I know how much time talking things through with Zander can take.

 

It's not about your ISO of Seph, it's about your apparent thought process up till then. Leading up to your ISO of Seph you seemed to be paying more attention to Zander and Lenlo than Seph. I know that you and Zander were in thread at the same time, so maybe that's it. But with Lenlo I'm thinking specifically of the post(s?) where you agreed with somebody else about a point made on Lenlo.

 

Leading up to your vote on Dice you seemed to be paying more attention to Darthe.

 

Your current push on Lenlo is sustained throughout the game, I don't see the same for either Seph or Dice

 

 

 

And unfortunately I didn't read Orphan Black or MK (although I read parts of that one) :(

 

Chris and I don't necessarily agree about whether or not I'm 'good' at this game

 

I don't know what else to tell you. I was in the thread with Zander and Darthe more than I was with Dice or Seph. I'm pretty sure I questioned Dice directly on his weird read of Lenlo/Chris being scumbuddies and I don't recall him ever answering me.

 

And you're misrepresenting me again. I haven't had a sustained push on Lenlo. I was reading him as town based on D2. It was his reactions to Sili and his contradictions about the mistaken vs. lying thing and YOUR comments about him that had me looking at him again.

 

As for the last part, I don't even know what to think about that given that you've just been representing DM in the mafia championships and pretty much everyone at some point this game has suggested that you are one of the top town players. And you yourself say that you don't get mislynched.

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Lizabeth

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  On 6/12/2016 at 4:00 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

I thought u said sk and town play similar. Thats true.

Who is that addressed to?

 

If it's me, I didn't say that. I don't actually believe that. The SK in the Orphan Black game that I referenced have had an ongoing argument about whether or not 3P can play with a purely town mindset :P

 

I think it's easier to appear town as SK, but I think there are little mindset slips that give nontown away...

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  On 6/12/2016 at 3:28 PM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 11:24 AM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 11:17 AM, Clovdyx said:

My alignment? You said you won't stop tinfoiling about me.

Hi, we've met :)

 

I think you're town, I will never be confident in that read, or rather won't be until we've lynched one or two mafia.

 

Talking of which, who do you want to lynch?

 

Never mind, I saw you also said this...but why are you confident about him at the moment?

 

Overall progress in the game, similar thought processes (outside of Lenlo)

 

If I'm tinfoiling it's because his reads are 'off' but so far it appears that everybodies are. I can point to a few things that I don't really understanding coming from him (the vote switch, the 3rd party thing, there was something else I'd need to look up)

 

If Lenlo is mafia, which I'm currently thinking Chris is town

 

And although I'm not as confident the same goes for Besie.

 

I have 'bad' reasons as well :unsure:

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  On 6/12/2016 at 3:33 PM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 12:25 PM, BFG said:

Laine, I know it can be faked :p

 

But I very, very rarely get mislynched. I suspect most mafia just write me off as a possible mislynch and take the easy route.

Do you usually get lynched when you're mafia?

 

I get vigged :dry:

 

 

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  On 6/12/2016 at 4:01 PM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 3:53 PM, BFG said:

I am trying to take into consideration coming into the game behind (I've been in that situation) and I'm trying to discount parts of Day 1 because I know how much time talking things through with Zander can take.

 

It's not about your ISO of Seph, it's about your apparent thought process up till then. Leading up to your ISO of Seph you seemed to be paying more attention to Zander and Lenlo than Seph. I know that you and Zander were in thread at the same time, so maybe that's it. But with Lenlo I'm thinking specifically of the post(s?) where you agreed with somebody else about a point made on Lenlo.

 

Leading up to your vote on Dice you seemed to be paying more attention to Darthe.

 

Your current push on Lenlo is sustained throughout the game, I don't see the same for either Seph or Dice

 

 

 

And unfortunately I didn't read Orphan Black or MK (although I read parts of that one) :(

 

Chris and I don't necessarily agree about whether or not I'm 'good' at this game

I don't know what else to tell you. I was in the thread with Zander and Darthe more than I was with Dice or Seph. I'm pretty sure I questioned Dice directly on his weird read of Lenlo/Chris being scumbuddies and I don't recall him ever answering me.

 

And you're misrepresenting me again. I haven't had a sustained push on Lenlo. I was reading him as town based on D2. It was his reactions to Sili and his contradictions about the mistaken vs. lying thing and YOUR comments about him that had me looking at him again.

 

As for the last part, I don't even know what to think about that given that you've just been representing DM in the mafia championships and pretty much everyone at some point this game has suggested that you are one of the top town players. And you yourself say that you don't get mislynched.

 

Ok, by sustained you were pushing him Day 1 as well as today. I would probably have been less surprised by a vote there Day 1

 

Pretty sure Dice answered me on a similar question

 

I can be a good town player, that doesn't make me a town leader. I don't have the confidence in my reads to push them enough :/

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  On 6/12/2016 at 3:55 PM, Lizabeth said:

@LilyElizabeth, my name twin - any more thoughts?

 

@Katioria - where are you today?

Kat may not be around much till Monday

 

Concerned by Besie's disappearance

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  On 6/12/2016 at 11:53 AM, alannalynn said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 11:46 AM, Clovdyx said:

Besie/Alanna - why are you so confident he's town? I don't disagree, necessarily, but I have a lot less confidence after looking at the argument he had with Lenlo. It seems more like he's pushing Len for not trying than because he legitimately thinks Lenlo is mafia.

 

If sili actually believs Len is scum, I feel like he ought to have just posted whatever it was Lenlo was asking for to shut him up.

Largely gut and good feels, maybe a little bit of volume bias. I haven't read the argument with Lenlo.... but also, Lenlo doesn't like being mafia, so can't lack of trying sometimes equate to wolfy behavior?

Bold: I'm not sure this is something Sili would ever do. Does not compute.

 

Thats not true at all? I prefer town to mafia sure, but being Mafia is also really fun. Theres no role I dont like being.

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Lizabeth

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  On 6/12/2016 at 4:14 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 3:33 PM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 12:25 PM, BFG said:

Laine, I know it can be faked :p

 

But I very, very rarely get mislynched. I suspect most mafia just write me off as a possible mislynch and take the easy route.

Do you usually get lynched when you're mafia?

 

I get vigged :dry:

 

 

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lol fair enough

 

Have you ever been an SK?

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  On 6/12/2016 at 4:10 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 3:28 PM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 11:24 AM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 11:17 AM, Clovdyx said:

My alignment? You said you won't stop tinfoiling about me.

Hi, we've met :)

 

I think you're town, I will never be confident in that read, or rather won't be until we've lynched one or two mafia.

 

Talking of which, who do you want to lynch?

 

Never mind, I saw you also said this...but why are you confident about him at the moment?

 

Overall progress in the game, similar thought processes (outside of Lenlo)

 

If I'm tinfoiling it's because his reads are 'off' but so far it appears that everybodies are. I can point to a few things that I don't really understanding coming from him (the vote switch, the 3rd party thing, there was something else I'd need to look up)

 

If Lenlo is mafia, which I'm currently thinking Chris is town

 

And although I'm not as confident the same goes for Besie.

 

I have 'bad' reasons as well :unsure:

 

"bad" reasons?

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  On 6/12/2016 at 4:33 PM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 4:14 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 3:33 PM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 12:25 PM, BFG said:

Laine, I know it can be faked :p

 

But I very, very rarely get mislynched. I suspect most mafia just write me off as a possible mislynch and take the easy route.

Do you usually get lynched when you're mafia?

 

I get vigged :dry:

 

 

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lol fair enough

 

Have you ever been an SK?

 

Yes, Town of Salem, but we pretend that game never happened :dry:

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Multiquoting, because i have to run...

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 4:17 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 4:01 PM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 3:53 PM, BFG said:

I am trying to take into consideration coming into the game behind (I've been in that situation) and I'm trying to discount parts of Day 1 because I know how much time talking things through with Zander can take.

It's not about your ISO of Seph, it's about your apparent thought process up till then. Leading up to your ISO of Seph you seemed to be paying more attention to Zander and Lenlo than Seph. I know that you and Zander were in thread at the same time, so maybe that's it. But with Lenlo I'm thinking specifically of the post(s?) where you agreed with somebody else about a point made on Lenlo.

Leading up to your vote on Dice you seemed to be paying more attention to Darthe.

Your current push on Lenlo is sustained throughout the game, I don't see the same for either Seph or Dice



And unfortunately I didn't read Orphan Black or MK (although I read parts of that one) :(

Chris and I don't necessarily agree about whether or not I'm 'good' at this game

I don't know what else to tell you. I was in the thread with Zander and Darthe more than I was with Dice or Seph. I'm pretty sure I questioned Dice directly on his weird read of Lenlo/Chris being scumbuddies and I don't recall him ever answering me.
 
And you're misrepresenting me again. I haven't had a sustained push on Lenlo. I was reading him as town based on D2. It was his reactions to Sili and his contradictions about the mistaken vs. lying thing and YOUR comments about him that had me looking at him again.
 
As for the last part, I don't even know what to think about that given that you've just been representing DM in the mafia championships and pretty much everyone at some point this game has suggested that you are one of the top town players. And you yourself say that you don't get mislynched.

 


Ok, by sustained you were pushing him Day 1 as well as today. I would probably have been less surprised by a vote there Day 1

Pretty sure Dice answered me on a similar question

I can be a good town player, that doesn't make me a town leader. I don't have the confidence in my reads to push them enough :/

 

 

Okay, fair enough (on all points).

 

And yeah, I was pushing Lenlo on D1. But I was also having to rely on things other people were saying about his meta to judge his reactions. Seph I felt stronger about reading because I'd already seen his town games. I had no trouble reading him as town in Orphan Black. My read on him was mixed in Mafia Karts, but I generally saw his towniness there (even though I wound up voting for him to force a choice). In this game he didn't do anything that I read that made me feel like he was being his town, so I felt more confident voting him than Lenlo, who I didn't know. I wasn't around in the thread for the rest of the day because day's end was about the same time that I finish work.

 

As for Dice, he might have answered you but I might not have seen it as I've repeatedly pointed out.

 

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 4:17 PM, Hallia said:

I died early in Lost, I don't remember. :laugh:

 

I'm finishing my homework for the week, and then I'll tear into this.

 

Okay. Good luck!

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 4:21 PM, BFG said:

Sili/Liz other than Lenlo who are you looking at?

 

I'll drive you crazy the way I drive Clov crazy and not tell all at the moment (cue5c was my mentor by the way, so just be glad I don't fully adopt his approach or this thread would be flooded with Jem videos and flowers...). But I will say that I'd really like to peer more into Lily and Kat. Mostly Kat. I'll explain more on why later.

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  On 6/12/2016 at 4:38 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 4:33 PM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 4:14 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 3:33 PM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 12:25 PM, BFG said:

Laine, I know it can be faked :p

 

But I very, very rarely get mislynched. I suspect most mafia just write me off as a possible mislynch and take the easy route.

Do you usually get lynched when you're mafia?

 

I get vigged :dry:

 

 

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lol fair enough

 

Have you ever been an SK?

 

Yes, Town of Salem, but we pretend that game never happened :dry:

 

lol, what happened?

 

I have to go! Friends coming over in 45 minutes and i've done nothing for the morning!

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  On 6/12/2016 at 4:18 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 3:55 PM, Lizabeth said:

@LilyElizabeth, my name twin - any more thoughts?

 

@Katioria - where are you today?

Kat may not be around much till Monday

 

Concerned by Besie's disappearance

 

 

I'm here and not here. Doing iso's. I'm very thankful for how quiet the thread has been.

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  On 6/12/2016 at 4:34 PM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 4:10 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 3:28 PM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 11:24 AM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 11:17 AM, Clovdyx said:

My alignment? You said you won't stop tinfoiling about me.

Hi, we've met :)

 

I think you're town, I will never be confident in that read, or rather won't be until we've lynched one or two mafia.

 

Talking of which, who do you want to lynch?

 

Never mind, I saw you also said this...but why are you confident about him at the moment?

 

Overall progress in the game, similar thought processes (outside of Lenlo)

 

If I'm tinfoiling it's because his reads are 'off' but so far it appears that everybodies are. I can point to a few things that I don't really understanding coming from him (the vote switch, the 3rd party thing, there was something else I'd need to look up)

 

If Lenlo is mafia, which I'm currently thinking Chris is town

 

And although I'm not as confident the same goes for Besie.

 

I have 'bad' reasons as well :unsure:

 

"bad" reasons?

 

Stuff along the lines of Chris's referencing 'that game'

 

We have never played a game that wasn't completely disastrous as t/t and during his retirement I kept saying he wasn't allowed to retire until we had 'that game'

 

I referenced it during early game joking phase in another game we never refer to, and he later referred back to it as 'dirty' play if I was mafia and I got annoyed, partly due to external factors. Chris joked that he 'would' do that.

 

I've been as 'solid' as I ever can be reading him town this game, so referencing it is unnecessary.

 

I won't say that he would never do that as mafia, but it didn't feel like it this game.

 

It's a 'bad' reason though because he will do what's needed to win (couple of things excluded)

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I'm keeping up with the thread but just bookmarking questions to me. I'll answer when i'm done with the iso's. I'm doing liz, lily and lenlo. Currently halfway through liz

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Ok, I played awfully in ToS, work hit me with a 36 hour trip to S. Korea which needed a lot of prep and I essentially had maybe 16 hours sleep in a week and worked more or less none stop for the rest of it. That being said I helped lynch the other 3rd party, shot the BPV mafia one night and missed the next NA due to a combination of flights and literally falling asleep before I could submit the action that would have won me the game :dry: mafia deserved the win though, so I'm not massively upset by it, just embarrassed

 

Worth noting that Sili was onto me within 12 hours of the thread opening

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