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  On 6/11/2016 at 6:23 PM, BFG said:

Liz :)

 

Whose making you want to cry?

Pretty much everyone except for you and Hallia and maybe Lily at this point. And D2 Lenlo.

And surprisingly Sili :P

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  On 6/10/2016 at 8:50 PM, wish-tree said:

and lol idk

 

people be giving me hate about Nirvana

 

I was a pop culture fetus until age 13, and I started off with Taylor Swift :unsure:

....

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Page 41-50

 

Sili thinks its silly to clear Kat off her WOT but is ok with it because nothing pinged :ohmy: Lenlo, slimy town

 

Liz asks about Sili as SK, prods Dice (sort of), had Zander as town until Lily exchange, town read on wish

 

Lenlo/Sili brings up Lost (referring to how easy Lenlo is to read)

 

Lily town vibe from Liz (that makes it me/Laine/Liz - perhaps a little odd that there isn't anything on Zander/Sili at this point (and even Seph/Chris))

 

936 - don't understand what Chris is saying, takes back what he said about Zander being the best amongst the active players, but doesn't feel any differently???

 

937 - follow up on Lenlo

 

Laine also doesn't want to catch up :(

 

941 Chris reads

Townish: Hallia

Mixed: Wish, Zander?

Asks Lenlo his read on Sili

Has Sili as town

Questions Liz on Zander read

Votes Lenlo

Not wtl: BFG, Seph, Sili, Hallia, Laine, maybe Liz/Dice (interesting inclusion of Liz)

 

951 - Laine, why single Hallia out for not stopping Sili/Lenlo, what are your other reasons for leaning mafia on Lenlo? I mean otherwise it's the catch up post and the argument that's been on going after you wanted Hallia to stop it (953 of course Chris already saw this) 956 sort of addresses it, then says she's skimming

 

962 Laine's read on me is pretty insightful - I do struggle to see mafia reading Zander vs me enough to get that

 

983 Liz questions Dice in Chris's list, - do you think you'd done enough to be included?

 

VC

Zander (2): Niniel, Seph

Niniel (3): Hallia, Zander, Sili

Lenlo (2): Clov, Laine

 

Chris asks me about Sili

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  On 6/11/2016 at 6:41 PM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/11/2016 at 6:23 PM, BFG said:

Liz :)

 

Whose making you want to cry?

Pretty much everyone except for you and Hallia and maybe Lily at this point. And D2 Lenlo.

And surprisingly Sili :P

 

Ok why?

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  On 6/11/2016 at 5:56 PM, BFG said:

Wish what are your feelings aorn?

 

Had a similar thought to Lenlo about there being a possible 3rd party or vig in the setup. Idk if killing Darthe was a 3rd party or a town move, I could see it from either perspective. I have some 3P candidates, and they are different from vig candidates, the latter of which I will not voice.

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  On 6/11/2016 at 9:56 AM, BFG said:

I would love it if everyone could weigh in on Liz/Darthe

 

Liz I'm not sure about even though I ISOed her. I can see her either way. 

 

Darthe, I thought was town, but I'm starting to get a scum read on him. In our history, we always read each other wrong, so I don't know whether that comforts me or worries me. I'm going to go with the latter. I really don't like his answers to questions. He just won't elaborate when asked to. 

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  On 6/11/2016 at 6:03 PM, Lenlo said:

So, people had Clov/Darthe as a team right? Does Darthe flipping town throw any sort of wrench into that?

 

With 2 kills either 

A) Town has a Vig and they shot Darthe, simply because shooting Nin isnt a towny shot

B) Wolves have a Vig, unlikely if they also have an RB.

C) SK.

 

The two more likely ones are A and C imo. The question is, if town has a Vig why would they not shoot me? Im clearly being wolf read by alot of people so odds of the vig being one of them would be pretty high. So why shoot Darthe over me? This leads me to believe its actually an SK that either got blocked or holstered N1.

 

With that im really sketch of Sili, he has third party equity imo.

Well... obviously Clov/Darthe aren't mafia together b/c Darthe flipped town...

 

I think that A or C make sense too. I think a town vig who shoots Darthe has him as a scum read, but idk why an SK would shoot Darthe over someone else that is confirmed town, like.. Hallia, for instance. 

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So, Liz, instead of sassily pointing out my lack of music culture, could you maybe talk to me instead about reads and stuff?

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  On 6/11/2016 at 2:27 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/11/2016 at 7:59 AM, BFG said:

Hallia

Niniel

 

 

Sili

Chris

Laine

Wish

 

Besie

 

Lily

Kat

 

Liz

Darthe

 

Lenlo

 

Something like this? But most of my reasoning is super thin :(

Ok, I didn't get very far so far

 

Frankly everyone needs looking at in depth for any confidence

 

Wish was pretty emotionally manipulative in Ragnarok (purposefully or otherwise I don't know) and I'm seeing none of that here. Her logic/process is hard to follow, but she tries every time something is pointed out. She's also more aggressive/assertive than her more recent mafia game here - there's the potential for some steep learning curves between the games I've seen her play, so I don't know how much stock I can put in it.

 

Laine's relative quietness is a little concerning, but her post where she talked about me vs. Zander was more casually observant than most. Definitely follow through needed in terms of her Hallia question.

 

Chris is really tricky, I don't want to tinfoil because of bad reasons, but it's sort of hard not to. Seems to be feeling isolated in thread and I'm not sure what to make of that. Generally I've agreed with him all game (except Lenlo now lol). Dunno if I can ever be confident here

 

Sili has more or less maintained thread presence all game, is that enough? Page 20 or whenever looked pretty good

 

Besie is up so high, mostly because I don't like Darthe's push and because I remember her being more confident as mafia, I also know that Cory has pointed that out about her play and that she'll probably work on that :dry: I don't hate that her reads lists are generally different.

 

Lily is severely floating UTR at this point and needs to participate more.

 

Kat's Day 2 irked me, a lot of posts about none participation and apparent double standards :unsure:

 

Liz, nothing new from my last post - I don't understand her approach towards Seph if he was a mafia read and her vote on Dice makes little sense retroactively

 

Darthe's reads progression has seemed odd all game and I hated his early pop in/nudges

 

Lenlo, enough said. I think he's mafia but don't want to rush this

 

 

I was on thread for hours Thursday, doing about 7 ISOs. Friday's I'm busy almost all day, and it's Pathfinder night. I'm here today and answering questions. What exactly do you want me to be doing?

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Sorry Lily, I have very little recall of Wednesday to Friday :(

 

I'm working through a reread, so thoughts/feelings may change

Posted
  On 6/11/2016 at 6:52 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

Funky how lenlo says i cld be sk cause he cant push me otherwise

Sili, are you feeling lost right now?

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  On 6/11/2016 at 6:52 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

Funky how lenlo says i cld be sk cause he cant push me otherwise

Thats... not true at all? Youve done loads of sketchy crap this game.

 

But yeah... keep sayin things with no basis. Im gonna try to figure out the second kill. You know, be useful.

 

  On 6/11/2016 at 7:12 PM, wish-tree said:

 

  On 6/11/2016 at 6:03 PM, Lenlo said:

So, people had Clov/Darthe as a team right? Does Darthe flipping town throw any sort of wrench into that?

 

With 2 kills either 

A) Town has a Vig and they shot Darthe, simply because shooting Nin isnt a towny shot

B) Wolves have a Vig, unlikely if they also have an RB.

C) SK.

 

The two more likely ones are A and C imo. The question is, if town has a Vig why would they not shoot me? Im clearly being wolf read by alot of people so odds of the vig being one of them would be pretty high. So why shoot Darthe over me? This leads me to believe its actually an SK that either got blocked or holstered N1.

 

With that im really sketch of Sili, he has third party equity imo.

Well... obviously Clov/Darthe aren't mafia together b/c Darthe flipped town...

 

I think that A or C make sense too. I think a town vig who shoots Darthe has him as a scum read, but idk why an SK would shoot Darthe over someone else that is confirmed town, like.. Hallia, for instance. 

 

I meant does it throw a wrench into the Clov = wolf read...

 

Way I saw it, people like Hallia are more likely to get protected. If the SK shoots wolf, good for them. If they shoot Town, also good for them. Thye need everyone dead afterall.

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  On 6/11/2016 at 6:24 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/11/2016 at 6:03 PM, Lenlo said:

So, people had Clov/Darthe as a team right? Does Darthe flipping town throw any sort of wrench into that?

 

With 2 kills either 

A) Town has a Vig and they shot Darthe, simply because shooting Nin isnt a towny shot

B) Wolves have a Vig, unlikely if they also have an RB.

C) SK.

 

The two more likely ones are A and C imo. The question is, if town has a Vig why would they not shoot me? Im clearly being wolf read by alot of people so odds of the vig being one of them would be pretty high. So why shoot Darthe over me? This leads me to believe its actually an SK that either got blocked or holstered N1.

 

With that im really sketch of Sili, he has third party equity imo.

Who do you think is mafia?

 

I really dont know. Dice and Niniel were it. Both have been proven otherwise. At this point... Sili, Besie... Maybe maaaaaaybe Laine, just cause she says she hates being wolf and she was kinda absent D2 from what I remember.

Posted
  On 6/11/2016 at 2:16 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

just to note, if lenlo wasn't on dm, and if nin and dice weren't on dm, i'd have lunched them a while ago. i'm doing my best for realzies.

 

 

  On 6/11/2016 at 2:16 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

being like super super super nice to avoid any unnecessary lynches XD

<33333

 

I have to admit, I kind of love you this game, Sili

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  On 6/11/2016 at 7:00 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/11/2016 at 6:41 PM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/11/2016 at 6:23 PM, BFG said:

Liz :)

 

Whose making you want to cry?

Pretty much everyone except for you and Hallia and maybe Lily at this point. And D2 Lenlo.

And surprisingly Sili :P

 

Ok why?

 

 

How do I say this without being mean?

 

You're the only ones who aren't doing anything crazy at this point (in my D2 catch up), who seem to be taking a calm rational approach to questioning things, not throwing out random theories that don't match what's going on in the thread.

 

I'll put Chris in that list for the most part too,  now that I've read through how things built up to the end of day and his explanation for his last minute actions with throwing the vote to random. And Lainey, although I need to read more from her I think...

 

I'm just really frustrated at the muddiness of the thread at this point. And the fact that my reads apparently suck this game. But I think I realized part of the problem is that I've been more focused on finding scum than finding town this game, and maybe I need to start working from the reverse angle. 

 

 

Not that making sense and being calm and rational = town, obviously, and frequently it's the opposite, so my "doesn't make me want to cry" list does not equal my "town" list.

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  On 6/11/2016 at 7:13 PM, wish-tree said:

So, Liz, instead of sassily pointing out my lack of music culture, could you maybe talk to me instead about reads and stuff?

I'll talk to you when I finish my read through. If you promise not to hurt my Te anymore.

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Posted

My reads at this point:

 

2. Thane / Besie – After ISO, not in town pile, but not terribly scummy
3. BFG – Asking good questions. Really trying to solve the game. Town
4. Hallia – claimed limited doc

6. Sili Quirrels – feeling more towny on him than scummy
7. Katiora – Slight town. Would like to firm up this read. Need to ISO.
9. Lenlo – After ISO, slight scum read
11. Clovdyx – town. Gives thoughtful posts. Would like to ISO.
13. Lily - town
14. Wishtree/Stork hydra – feeling pretty town on them. Her logic is hard to follow, but she seems to be trying to solve the game.
15. Alannalynn – after ISO, slight town read on her. A little more than slight, actually, but not solid, for sure. I’d like to see what she does when the game is smaller and she’s caught up.
16. Lizabeth – After ISO, pretty null still 

Posted
  On 6/11/2016 at 7:32 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

Liz, have you done a reads list lately? If not, would you mind doing one?

I don't do reads lists. I know this is going to sounds snarky, and I don't intend it to, and you don't know me so I'll give you the short version:

 

I don't do reads lists because a) I find them tedious b) when I shift my views as I read along in the thread it's annoying to have people claim I'm being inconsistent for it c) I don't like laying out everything I think about everyone in a game before I think it's advantageous (I often like to test my theories first before letting someone I suspect fully know what my suspicions are)

 

Anyone who read through the Mafia Karts game knows that this is the case, because Zander kept harping on me about it and I fully explained the reasons why there (probably more eloquently than here) 

 

I will say, however, that based on my current point in catch up (I'm just starting on N1) my strongest town reads are Sili and Hallia. Hallia for obvious reasons. Sili almost makes me want to tinfoil him for being so reasonable this game (I didn't see the fight between him and Hallia though), but his random comment about trying hard to be nice this game makes me feel like he's being not only self aware but genuine. And he seems to be genuinely questioning and acting from a perspective that seems to have town's best interests at heart. And everyone who knows him keeps saying that scum Sili doesn't put this much effort in. So right now I'm willing to trust him.

 

k, back to catching up

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  On 6/11/2016 at 6:09 AM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/11/2016 at 4:20 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

Ive been so so nice for the longest time. Im the brst

Do it. Bet ya wont.

 

  On 6/11/2016 at 5:24 AM, BFG said:

Lenlo, why do you not appear to care about pushing your suspects this game?

Because im naturally flippant?

 

Also because my suspects were going along fine without the need to interject myself. No need to throw a wrench just for the sake of throwing a wrench if its going the way I want. Dice and Nin were sketch, Nin claimed, so go Dice. Nin was sketch for aforementioned reasons, Dice was blatantly lying in ways that made me and Chris out as wolves.

 

 

But now that Dice has flipped, we know he wasn't lying. He was mistaken. So why are you sticking to the narrative that he was lying?

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