[Basic] I <3 the 90's Mafia: Music Edition - TOWN WINS!

[alannalynn]

Thank you BFG

 

So my Internet is down, I just reset it twice and nothing. Going to go on to bed and hope things clear up before work I guess. I'm so sorry I'm being so worthless y'all, I was supposed to catch up tonight snd now I don't even know if my phone signal will hold out to post this. :/

[Niniel]

A quick look at the people that voted seph and Dice = Lenlo and Lily. Lenlo also went after me on D1. 

 

It´s hard to read the D2 vc if Besie is town as well. 

[Niniel]

Will be back later but I won´t be able to be very active today. 

[BFG]

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Sili - votes Thane #raisins?

Votes wish because of the list(?) - later unvotes because she said it was to generate content, but that's an obvious question, so what was the vote for?

 

Hallia votes Lenlo (joke)

 

Sili - 'necessary' - boils down to why he was feeling bad about Seph prior to this, necessary for Seph to act the same as mafia when town, but if there's no reason to think he's mafia prior to this then why not assume it's town!Seph instead of mafia!Seph acting like town!Seph? "No" still puts me on edge

 

Darthe pops in "Yo" noted because I remember a fair few of these early game - don't think he participated meaningfully until after he was suspected by a couple of people

 

Sili says Seph annoyed he's not opening up, Seph says Sili being deliberately unhelpful/scummy, explains the 'necessary' thing, but not why he thought Sept was wolfy to begin with

 

 

Lot of Zander/Seph/Dice which I'm mostly ignoring

[Sili Quirrels]

Seph pinged cause it was early gsme and i was still forming reads

[Sili Quirrels]

Oh btw im alive

[Guest]

 

 

 

 

I don't like that Darthe keeps bringing up the 3 mafia thing. I'm a new-er player and even to me a 3 mafia in a 16 player game sounds too little - if I'm correct in that the mafia gradually increases as the total players increase.

 

So that, if there's 3 in a 13 player game (other prev games), or 3 and a sk in a 15 player game (lost game), then surely there must be 4 mafia in a 16 player game?

 

It sounds like tmi from darthe, because for some reason, he's not getting to the above conclusion. It feels like he either knows there's only 3 mafia, meaning that he's maf. That, or he did come to the same conclusion but he believes there's only 3 maf because he is sk.

 

 

If we have to guess who is a sk and who is a maf, do we rather lynch the sk or the maf? In this case, I'd rather go for the person that could be either, but please answer the first question (anyone) - I'd like to know.

 

Furthermore, I don't like that he refuses to explain why he thinks I'm scum. I have asked multiple times. Initially I thought he might be faking a claim on me. But then there's been one or two posts where he "doubts" voting me, so, he outed his try at faking to be cop. Maybe it was cop cover. But he could do fake cop cover as well.

 

Typical % is 20-30% non-town depending on roles.

 

In a 16 player game I'd expect a mafia team of 4, with maybe a 3rd party. This is a Basic game, so I wouldn't expect anything wildly different

 

 

Can you explain the bold, I don't follow

Sure. I thought he was cop covering. Which is fine. So I wasn't too bothered. However, he is continuous pushing that I should be lynched, with no reason. In my mind, if I was another player, the only reason for that is that he's cop. But he's not, cause I'm not scum.

Wasn´t it you that didn´t understand what cc meant? (I think it was you. Don´t have time to check now.) And you didn´t understand the basic of claiming at all. But you know about cop covering? Feels weird.

 

Why didn´t you claim when you had so many votes?

 

 

Kat - you went after me pretty hard but then suddenly you changed your mind. This was before my claim. Why did you change your mind?

I know about cop covering 'cause there's was millions of it in my first game. I had zander as my mentor there and he taught me about it.

 

Nope. Didn't know about cc. Just the abbreviation.

 

Do you want me to claim because you did? I never had so many votes. If I did, I wasn't here to witness it.

[Guest]

I don't like the claiming thing. Simply because I don't completely get it. It's not... logical. Yes, it can save a town. Or, it can save a wolf. Yes, it can change the game for the good, if say, a doc is saved. But it could also ruin the game if a wolf lied and the wrong person is NK'd.

 

I just need more time to wrap my mind around it.

[BFG]

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Chris comes in asking Dice about his Zander read (Sander responds, Chris responds to him - what was the follow up with Dice), agrees with me about Seph/Laine not m/m, Dice responds, Chris says Dice is 'from the hip' player (response to Zander). Chris doesn't really respond to Dice, I remember this made me uncomfortable first time through and still does, that doesn't necessarily mean anything though

 

Darthe pop in

 

290 from Lenlo been discussed to death, some of the points he raises is stuff he talks about every game (early for reads, etc) but the lack of conclusions is worrying. I sort of like that he talks about Laine being absent - it's consistent with his thoughts on me (as later explained)

 

Lenlo/wish both jumps on the 'weird reasoning linking thing', wish does so without seeming to know what's being talked about and doesn't follow through on own volition

 

Wish seems to like Lenlo/Seph/Sili as town, Zander as slight mafia

 

Zander comments on wish's strange progression wrt her Zander read

 

Kat struggling with volume - interesting? given her later comments Day 2

 

331 is interesting from wish - town Zander is less abrasive (she doesn't have town meta on him so???) is trying to provoke Zander to get a response, but doesn't seem to consider that the lack o's a tunnel could be the response she's looking for?

 

Lily has a town read on me, struggling with volume

 

Darthe getting outpaced

 

Lily/Darthe interaction

 

358 from Chris - everything's logically correct, but ???

 

Sili votes Lenlo #raisins?

 

Chris has Sili as possible mafia, Sili apparently not reading Chris's posts (misses stuff about him/misreads what Chris said about Hallia), Chris points out it's just the two of them and expects Sili to pay more attention. Follows through a lot eventually drops it

 

373 may be worth paying attention to - noting that Chris is basically saying that Sili is null-mafia, is part of his argument that Lenlo draws no conclusions (even if so different because he has drawn some early reads)

 

Sili finds pre-flip speculation silly

 

Sili actually explains a fair bit around page 20

[BFG]

I don't like the claiming thing. Simply because I don't completely get it. It's not... logical. Yes, it can save a town. Or, it can save a wolf. Yes, it can change the game for the good, if say, a doc is saved. But it could also ruin the game if a wolf lied and the wrong person is NK'd.

 

I just need more time to wrap my mind around it.

Claims usually get resolved via NA, so at the least it's good play to set it aside for now.

[wish-tree]

BFG, I am pretty sure my impression of Zander's mafia game is that he's less aggressive to the people he doesn't know how to handle, therefore I expected his town one to be more aggressive all around, I thought some of his posts about people verged on buddying

[Clovdyx]

 

I can, but it hasn't changed much. When I'm done with work today I'd like to iso darthe (which should help me find the specific reason to why he doesn't feel right - in response to your previous question too), Alanna (something bothered me D1, N1 - I want to find it), lenlo, wish and Kat.

Those are the ones I'm thinking the wolves might be in.

I'm currently putting my town core somewhere in myself, you, Hallia, and clov.

If I have time I want to go separate liz and lily - I know liz posted the most of the two so maybe I'll iso her to get a better feel? Of lily I don't know so maybe an iso too? Basically, im uncertain about them.

 

-What separates Lily and Liz from your mafia pool?  Do you have a reason to believe either of them is unlikely to actually BE mafia?

-Where is Niniel in this?

-I'm not sure why you have to ISO Darthe to point out why he doesn't feel right.  I'm actually not sure why anybody that's read the thread would be confused about that, but from your POV, it seems like it would be a no brainer.

 

Hallia
Niniel


Sili
Chris
Laine
Wish

Besie

Lily
Kat

Liz
Darthe

Lenlo

Something like this? But most of my reasoning is super thin :(

 

I really don't dislike this list.  You already know where my major disagreement with it is, but other than that, no real complaints.  

 

I don't like the claiming thing. Simply because I don't completely get it. It's not... logical. Yes, it can save a town. Or, it can save a wolf. Yes, it can change the game for the good, if say, a doc is saved. But it could also ruin the game if a wolf lied and the wrong person is NK'd.

I just need more time to wrap my mind around it.

 

....What is this post?  How is claiming anything but logical?  If I'm the cop and I'm getting ran up, my lynch results in one thing.  The cop dying.  That's the only outcome of the cop getting lynched.  So claiming not only saves a townie, it saves what is probably the most important townie.  From a mafia POV, claiming is also logical, for the exact same reasons.  Their job is stay alive, while looking town.

 

Being a power role and NOT claiming is what's illogical.

[wish-tree]

Also, I can definitely see a Chris/Lenlo relationship but not a Chris/Darthe one, idk, Darthe has been suspecting Chris for a while but hasn't been sure on it, and Chris's treatment of Darthe is kind of weird.

 

Wait no

 

A Chris/Darthe thing could make sense because Chris didn't have a read on Darthe for much of the game, Darthe isn't actively trying to get Chris lynched, and Chris isn't paying much attention to Darthe besides the SK accusation, which was dropped.

[wish-tree]

Nvm, I changed my mind within the same post, lolme

[Clovdyx]

Also, I can definitely see a Chris/Lenlo relationship but not a Chris/Darthe one, idk, Darthe has been suspecting Chris for a while but hasn't been sure on it, and Chris's treatment of Darthe is kind of weird.

 

Wait no

 

A Chris/Darthe thing could make sense because Chris didn't have a read on Darthe for much of the game, Darthe isn't actively trying to get Chris lynched, and Chris isn't paying much attention to Darthe besides the SK accusation, which was dropped.

 

....

[Clovdyx]

Good lord, that post is awful.  I don't know if you're scum trying to push some garbage narrative, or your understanding of the thread flow is actually somehow as poor as you're presenting it.

[BFG]

Chris, I asked Besie for her thoughts on Darthe outside of her

[BFG]

I also think you're missing her point about the claims but I'll see what she says :)

[Clovdyx]

Chris, I asked Besie for her thoughts on Darthe outside of her

 

I know.  But her answer reads more like a general statement than trying to give an answer to what you specifically asked. 

[wish-tree]

Good lord, that post is awful.  I don't know if you're scum trying to push some garbage narrative, or your understanding of the thread flow is actually somehow as poor as you're presenting it.

That's how I saw it. You and Darthe haven't actively gone after each other, as say, Sili and Lenlo. There's still room for w/w, that is all I'm saying. It's a surface assessment and I'm definitely going into depth when I get to a computer, but yeah, I don't think it's a poor understanding of the thread.

 

There's another world in which you are town and decided to try to tie votes at end of day to go to a flip, but idk.

[wish-tree]

And again, passing out, abnormal body clock. Stork will likely post later, he's been busy with mod stuff

[BFG]

Wish can I get your thoughts on Liz?

[BFG]

Guess not :(

[BFG]

 

Chris, I asked Besie for her thoughts on Darthe outside of her

 

I know.  But her answer reads more like a general statement than trying to give an answer to what you specifically asked.

 

Fair what do you think of Besie/Darthe?

[keyholder21]

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