[Basic] I <3 the 90's Mafia: Music Edition - TOWN WINS!

[Clovdyx]

I went back and actually read the thread through the lynch.  To answer my own question from earlier, it's Besie or Lily who sticks out the least.  I don't even remember why Besie voted Seph at this point so it couldn't have blown me away in either direction.  Lily voting against her townread's wagon is a good look, at least in a vacuum.  If Lenore ends up being mafia, Lily has an incredibly high chance to be a teammate, but I can't gauge how much of the thread Lily's actually read.

 

The amount of hand holding between Darthe and Lenore is ridiculous.  If I recall correctly, both were townreading Lenlo, and Darthe claimed to not have any idea why anybody would be pushing him.  When I asked him about reading my posts, he said he didn't remember seeing it...despite having read most of my posts.  

 

Part of me thinks it can't possibly be this easy, but good lord.

[Zander?]

Lily/Lenbot could make sense.

[Clovdyx]

Chris I actually think you're town

 

What's your read on Liz?

 

Very slightly town, and I'm not happy about it.  

[Zander?]

So could Lenbot/Nina

[Zander?]

 

Chris I actually think you're town

 

What's your read on Liz?

 

Very slightly town, and I'm not happy about it.  

 

 

You shouldnt be imo.

[Clovdyx]

You shouldnt be imo.

 

 

I wouldn't if I felt she had really done much to earn it.  I don't like making garbage reads in games I'm spectating, much less games I'm actually playing in.  I saw her ask somebody (you?) for a read of Celeste, and I kind of feel like she'd have a better grasp on who's playing if she were mafia, and I kind of want to feel good about her admitting to wanting to lynch Seph AFTER he flipped town.  You have to be a pretty ballsy scum to associate yourself with a mislynch that you technically didn't help cause.

[Clovdyx]

Beyond that, the best thing I can say for her is that she isn't in the bottom five or six people.  I guess she could be the "deepwolf" (I'm using that term incredibly loosely), given that even I'm not arrogant enough to think I'm likely to solve the game D1, but nothing I've seen has stood out to me as making her a likely pairing with my scumreads.

[Clovdyx]

Though in hindsight, I'm thinking maybe you meant I shouldn't be happy about reading her as town.

[BFG]

 

 

 

meh its the truth, plain and simple. I actually have a few mafia games on the spoiler in my sig. though the 9-5 I was town and subed into mafia, and was my 1st game ever. all my wolf games are pretty old.

 

sili yes i buddied hallia, and I plainly state it in the thread lol, because I thought she was town from the get go and the game is easier with someone you trust.

 

What made you think she was town that early?

 

Between these 2 posts she asks a few people there reads on Seph

 

 

 

darthe you are horrible at mafia lol.

 

ps. I already know I am horrible, so glgl ill be back at dl.

I would only want to lynch liz/tina d1

Why are you wanting to lynch me? Because I'm asking questions about you at the moment?

 

Funny that you're not engaging me directly or answering any of my questions but you want to vote me...

 

 

 

I have 15 minutes before I have to run to work, so I apologize - I'm not going to read through all 305 messages that have been posted since I went to bed last night.

 

(as a partially whiny, partly constructive feedback to the Gods of DM - I would love love love if it were possible to change the notification system to get notification of responses to my posts and mentions rather than just all the posts that have been posted since I posted, which just makes me sad...)

 

I will try to skim back before I go, but I don't know when end of day is or if I'll be able to get back home in time to do much before then.

 

Seph is my strongest scum read right now and he has been basically since his entrance to the thread. I was trying to test a theory about him vs. Sili at one point, but no one (from what I saw) actually responded to my probe about Sili's SK meta (I think Sili is town now for the record) and Seph never seems to be around or responsive when I'm trying to test anything.

 

Most of my notes are from the first 20 pages, but what I've seen from him since hasn't shifted my perspective.

 

1. He seems very TMI about trying to establish that he is NOT a wolf:

 

 

 

 

 

Don't worry guys I brought all my wolf hunting tools, and I am ready to lunch it up.

 

 

 

 

If seph or shad is in this game when they arrive things will get very spicy.

Why?

 

He tries very hard.

 

I try to have fun :( I mean look at my sweet dinosaur I captured to slay wolves with.

maybe if I rolled mafia more I would joke more

 

 

 

 

Q&A time with Storktree:

1) How old were you during the 90s?

2) What was your favorite 90s artist/song?

3) Why are you playing this game?

4) Do you prefer to work together or alone?

5) What's your goal for this game (may be correlated to no. 3)?

6) What's your favorite role to play?

7) What meta do you have with other players?

8) Describe your own meta as best as you can.

You want him to answer this? Or us?

 

donno if it was to me lol but

 

1. born in 89

2. savage garden. I want you (didn't/couldn't list a country song it would be to difficult)

3. because I love mafia

4. together

5.winning, i play to win

6.mafia though evern since I said that, I have never rolled it lol. been on a town streak of around 10 games, so over a year and a half since i rolled mafia i think)

7.I have meta on most, though It isn't my main means to read people

8.town- I say what is on my mind, though I have been trying to hold back a bit. I usually end up starting the game, or become a main discussion because I play pretty aggressive. as mafia I tend to overpush the person I want mislynched, and ignore most of the game. my last game before I went mia shad described my mafia game to a t actually.

I dont remember the game but he won over sooh and someone in the final 3

 

 

 

2. He town-reads BFG really early and seems very eager to buddy BFG (and Alanna) and paint him and BFG as part of a town core (I missed the part about Hally that Darthe has pointed out, but yeah...that too)

 

 

 

 

 

also ganna give sili a light town read.

dem page 4 reads are op.

hallia and i are probably very easy and necessary reads at this point.

 

 

for wolf seph.

the top two comments look like you ar insinuating there is a chance I am mafia, right?

 

 

sili have I ever wolfed against you?

Unsure.

 

So you think Seph is mafia?

No.

 

me and bfg try to get into your thought process here and you shut us out completely, and I don't understand why.

 

 

looks like once that I saw in darthes middle of earth game. The reason i am asking is I found the statement odd with there only being like 20% if that of the game checked in.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's not that important. I just don't feel like explaining rn.

 

then why even bother saying it if it isn't important, at the time you obviously thought it has some meaning.

This is so silly. It was an argument I don't care about anymore.

me and bfg were only asking question, we were not berating you. If you can explain where you were coming from maybe it will make sense to us, that's all we are trying to do is see this from your pov.

but i agree with bfg I don't understand where you are coming form

 

 

 

 

I stopped doing quotes at that point and just noted page numbers, but I noted that in #298 he disagrees with Lenlo saying that Zander is off and BFG town – buddying BFG???? Protecting a town buddy?

 

 

3. He seems to shade and be unconcerned about shifting his votes even when he supposedly no longer has a scum read on Sili - which always reads to me like scum wanting to wait and see if their "leftover" vote could be picked up into a wagon later:

#167 Seph claims that he hasn’t unvoted Sili because he’s lazy

 

 

5. In the first quote I quoted in #1, I also noted that he seems eager to shade Zander, Dice, and Clov, and then in #176 Seph answers Zander it felt like he was shading Zander again* (note about Zander coming up later).

 

6. He just seems too...cocky this game. I've played with him as town in to games now, and I was able to pick up signs of "town!Seph" by this point. Especially in the last game where he was clearly town to me even though he voted against my mason partner in an attempt to save Clov who turned out to be mafia. But I'm not seeing town!Seph here. I've missed a good chunk of posts, granted, but even when we finally were posting in the thread at the same time he seemed eager to sling shade at me after I started questioning other people about him, and he seemed more defensive than productive when people started suggesting that he was scum, getting sulky and claiming VT.

 

 

I also have supsicions on Lenlo, Dice and Darthe, but I feel like I haven't had a chance to test out any of those theories because they don't seem to be responding to my probes...or they're not responding when I'm around. Darthe, I will admit (sorry Darthe) is that he seems nicer than I expect him to be. But I actually agree with his thoughts on Seph (with the exception of that ridiculous theory about punctuation that I'm hoping he's joking about)

 

*With Zander - I don't think he can be scum with Seph, Niniel, or Lenny. I want to think he's not scum at all. The thing with both Seph and Niniel claiming that he's asking pointless questions at points when I didn't think he was (prior to his engagement with them - as I pointed out I thought his repetitive questioning of Niniel's read on Kat (?) was circular, but that was AFTER Niniel's claim that his earlier questioning was meaningless).

 

 

With Lenny, I think her accusations that Zander must be scum because he was too jokey to be town were ridiculous. But (no offense) that's more what I expect from town Lenny than scum lenny. She drove me nuts the one game I played with her because she kept picking up on things that I considered nonsensical to try to push people with, and then she'd also tell people what she expected to see from them if they were scum or town (even though I explained to her that TELLING people what she expected made her supposed tells useless). Scum lenny seems to be more subtle and calculating.

 

And now I have to go to work because that took me almost 15 minutes to type...

 

 

 

This looks pretty bad

 

Liz spends longer talking about Lenlo than she does about Seph yet she hasn't had time to test the Lenlo theory while she's ok with Seph as mafia?

 

She also doesn't really do anything to address Seph prior to the post she makes just before she's away till EOD

 

She actually spends most time talking about Zander whose always a town read afaict of varying strengths.

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-1/?view=findpost&p=3663409 this stands out. If Seph has been her strongest mafia lean since the beginning, why isn't she asking Lilys opinions on him?

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-1/?view=findpost&p=3664132 here she's complaining that wish/Zander/(Darthe) aren't answering her questions, but why aren't there more to Seph? (first question comes after this post)

[BFG]

 

 

 

I thought you did as of half way through Day 1

 

Maybe it was just Hallia though

 

i dont think I did.

 

Ok

 

That actually helps

 

 

YW?

 

lolololololol

 

I think you have a better track record reading him than me, I could just be thinking of you bussing though :p

[BFG]

 

Chris I actually think you're town

 

What's your read on Liz?

 

Very slightly town, and I'm not happy about it.  

 

You're not going to make this easy are you :(

[BFG]

LIZ

 

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[Zander?]

 

You shouldnt be imo.

 

 

I wouldn't if I felt she had really done much to earn it.  I don't like making garbage reads in games I'm spectating, much less games I'm actually playing in.  I saw her ask somebody (you?) for a read of Celeste, and I kind of feel like she'd have a better grasp on who's playing if she were mafia, and I kind of want to feel good about her admitting to wanting to lynch Seph AFTER he flipped town.  You have to be a pretty ballsy scum to associate yourself with a mislynch that you technically didn't help cause.

 

 

Agree about earning it

 

Celeste thing. Could be a legit mistake but i dont think thats alignment indicative because people make mistakes as both alignments. Could also be derp clear again done as both alignments but more so to Wolf imo.

 

Seph part can kinda see where youre coming from BUT she states pre flip hes her Top Scum suspect so any backtracking on that would look even worse imo.

[BFG]

I know this is much higher volume than MK, but her level of engagement here is so much lower

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

I thought you did as of half way through Day 1

 

Maybe it was just Hallia though

 

i dont think I did.

 

Ok

 

That actually helps

 

 

YW?

 

lolololololol

 

I think you have a better track record reading him than me, I could just be thinking of you bussing though :p

 

 

I was right tho!!!!! lololololol

 

But seriously Ive read him right a few times and ive read him wrong a few times.

 

Not gonna claim to be GOAT Len reader for certain.

[Zander?]

 

 

Chris I actually think you're town

 

What's your read on Liz?

 

Very slightly town, and I'm not happy about it.  

 

You're not going to make this easy are you :(

 

 

<3 <3 <3

[BFG]

 

You shouldnt be imo.

 

I wouldn't if I felt she had really done much to earn it.  I don't like making garbage reads in games I'm spectating, much less games I'm actually playing in.  I saw her ask somebody (you?) for a read of Celeste, and I kind of feel like she'd have a better grasp on who's playing if she were mafia, and I kind of want to feel good about her admitting to wanting to lynch Seph AFTER he flipped town.  You have to be a pretty ballsy scum to associate yourself with a mislynch that you technically didn't help cause.

 

Uhm, I'm a coward as mafia and I'm pretty sure it's something I'd do

 

Besides which she'd also been defending wish-tree all day as well as casing Seph. What else could she do?

[Zander?]

I know this is much higher volume than MK, but her level of engagement here is so much lower

 

A LOT OF THIS

 

This concerns me.

 

I mean a slight dip....sure ok but this is a HUGE one.

 

And again I mentioned Town!Boss.  I dont expect that every game but I mean again a HUGE difference. 

[Zander?]

 

 

You shouldnt be imo.

 

I wouldn't if I felt she had really done much to earn it.  I don't like making garbage reads in games I'm spectating, much less games I'm actually playing in.  I saw her ask somebody (you?) for a read of Celeste, and I kind of feel like she'd have a better grasp on who's playing if she were mafia, and I kind of want to feel good about her admitting to wanting to lynch Seph AFTER he flipped town.  You have to be a pretty ballsy scum to associate yourself with a mislynch that you technically didn't help cause.

 

Uhm, I'm a coward as mafia and I'm pretty sure it's something I'd do

 

Besides which she'd also been defending wish-tree all day as well as casing Seph. What else could she do?

 

 

MINDMELD

[BFG]

The Celeste thing is odd, but I wouldn't clear her from it.

 

Pretty sure she uses PerC names for wish/Celeste so could just be mixing up their DM handles - she's been calling wish Lenny(really hoping I have the right name) instead of wish pretty much all game

[BFG]

Anyway I have to get ready for work :(

[Zander?]

Anyway I have to get ready for work :(

 

glgl

[BFG]

Chris please give thoughts on 2834

[Clovdyx]

 

 

You shouldnt be imo.

 

I wouldn't if I felt she had really done much to earn it.  I don't like making garbage reads in games I'm spectating, much less games I'm actually playing in.  I saw her ask somebody (you?) for a read of Celeste, and I kind of feel like she'd have a better grasp on who's playing if she were mafia, and I kind of want to feel good about her admitting to wanting to lynch Seph AFTER he flipped town.  You have to be a pretty ballsy scum to associate yourself with a mislynch that you technically didn't help cause.

 

Uhm, I'm a coward as mafia and I'm pretty sure it's something I'd do

 

Besides which she'd also been defending wish-tree all day as well as casing Seph. What else could she do?

 

 

Make up some excuse for not voting?  Avoid the question entirely?  Something besides respond and say "Oh yeah, I totally wanted to lynch the person that just flipped town, but it didn't work out."

 

Like I said, this isn't something I feel particularly GOOD about.  But it's what I feel at this point.

[BFG]

Is Liz somebody who talks to people to determine alignment?