[Advanced]Lost mafia - Game over - Sili, SK wins!

[Zander?]

if mafia killed kiv..... Where is a head desk gif....

 

Turin if you are actually town, The maifa team imo has to be in besie/z2/celeste/darthe/dice 

darthe and dice is who I feel better about in my poe. your eod just sitting on besie really bugged me, when 2 people who had trains were also in your poe. I didn't mind the besie vote, but when It was going no where, why not have your vote matter?

 

Wait...you think Turin Besie is or can be w/w?

[Sili Quirrels]

 

makes a lot more sense from a wolf's point of view for besie to do that, but if she doesn't know how to make reads on the fly that could also be a justification for such logic. *shrug*

But I dont understand why you would just... believe a VT claim. So suddenly. Were you expecting something else? Something less convincing, maybe them to admit to being a wolf?

 

iu'm not talking about that. i'm talking about besie making a strong distinction between Zander 1.0 being dead and Zander 2.0 being unread, as though they are two different people in her head.

 

As for believing the VT claims, I suspect she either did it because she thought town her would , or town her actually did believe the claims. She is new to being town.  If she has not claimed Vt much in the past or seen many wolves claim Vt and only town claim Vt in her experience, it's actually very possible that her reaction was that they were town.

[Zander?]

 

if mafia killed kiv..... Where is a head desk gif....

 

Turin if you are actually town, The maifa team imo has to be in besie/z2/celeste/darthe/dice

darthe and dice is who I feel better about in my poe. your eod just sitting on besie really bugged me, when 2 people who had trains were also in your poe. I didn't mind the besie vote, but when It was going no where, why not have your vote matter?

because it seemed there was a considerable amount of doubt on the leading trains and I wasn't gonna let bes slide away. You switched to her. Too late. But still.

 

I thought about switching to Celeste but was really hoping to get bes lynched. She was the worst to me.

 

 

Where is Penneh....

 

Not a good look imo.

[Lenlo]

 

 

if mafia killed kiv..... Where is a head desk gif....

 

Turin if you are actually town, The maifa team imo has to be in besie/z2/celeste/darthe/dice

darthe and dice is who I feel better about in my poe. your eod just sitting on besie really bugged me, when 2 people who had trains were also in your poe. I didn't mind the besie vote, but when It was going no where, why not have your vote matter?

because it seemed there was a considerable amount of doubt on the leading trains and I wasn't gonna let bes slide away. You switched to her. Too late. But still.

 

I thought about switching to Celeste but was really hoping to get bes lynched. She was the worst to me.

 

 

Where is Penneh....

 

Not a good look imo.

 

For Turin or Penny?

[Shad_]

I believe I gave an adequate explanation for why scum!besie moved, in that she thought town her would do so in reaction to the vanilla claims.

Doesn't that make it exactly null?

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

See that doesnt read like TMI to me, that reads like he is accusing her of BEING mafia.

 

Like, the reason she is troubled is because her kill is now subbed back into the game. Thats what I got when I first read that post back then.

I see the accusation. I also see the assumption that Zander was the mafia kill.

 

He's talked about why he thinks Kivam wasn't (that kivam was vig or possibly sk) but I'm not ruling it out that Kivam was killed my mafia, and don't like that he is.

I assume that zander was the wolf kill too, ftr. It makes a lot more sense, so I dont see a reason to not move with that assumption for now.

 

 

You say that like you have a problem with me sussing Turin for it.

 

You are voting him too...

 

If we are correct:

Turin is wolf.

Wolves killed Zander.

Turin was a part of the wolves killing Zander.

Turin's comment could be construed as TMI.

[Shad_]

I mean, pending what she thought she'd do as town isn't what she actually would.

[Zander?]

 

 

Z2, I did say multiple. I also said in response to Dice that if my pressure got her to holster it would probably be a good thing. Do you disagree?

 

She would know why mafia do things because she has said she is a good wolf. Good wolves think about who the prime targets are. Did it give you zero pause when she said she caught something you said in your previous incarnation that she would have thought made you a good night target? Since you died and all that.

 

How many times have you read her correctly? Just curious...

Do you think she holstered?

 

I like to think Im a good Towny but I miss things, Im wrong and I dont always understand everything.

 

None, still doesnt mean Im wrong. In other games she made changes but there were still similarities.

 

I dont see them here. I dont see her making that EoD play as Scum or SK cause she wouldnt care who was lynched atp seeing they both flipped Town.

 

Makes 0 sense to me.

holstered? Possible. Also possible she got blocked or her target got protected.

 

Does it bother you that she said she picked up on something you said that signaled to her you would be a good target if she was mafia and you died?

 

So you have never read her correctly but you seem to discount that people are saying she may be a blind spot for you. Okay. I'll stop trying to convince you. Still gonna push my case to everyone else tho.

 

It does make sense if she thinks she can talk her way out of the heat it will generate. You have defended the heck out of her. It sets up two town lynches for the first two days. That means she/her team are safe from dying during day. This is a huge thing for mafia. Nice for a SK also. It also helped put more heat on me apparently thru association. I am wondering about how anyone would want to lynch me over her in that situation however. Anyone town anyway.

 

 

Im not saying she's not a blind spot.

 

Im saying I dont think she's Scum.

 

Id lynch you over her fwiw.

[Shad_]

AGain, it makes 0 sense from any alignment so at best I dont see how you can paint that as a towny move. The logic your using is TWTBAW, which is bull crap and you know it.

So you're acknowledging that it makes no sense whatever her alignment now?

[Lenlo]

Youve made that clear by voting him Z.

[Zander?]

that line takes that post from answering her question to insinuating that she knew that in a bad way. the tone of that line is sneering.

 

kinda like but you ALREADY knew that   DIDNT YOU!!!???

 

Are you sussing Turin Dice?

 

I dont know if youre just picking a bone here or not,

[Lenlo]

 

AGain, it makes 0 sense from any alignment so at best I dont see how you can paint that as a towny move. The logic your using is TWTBAW, which is bull crap and you know it.

So you're acknowledging that it makes no sense whatever her alignment now?

 

Im acknowledging that at best it is null for her. There are still other problems I have with her.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

I believe I gave an adequate explanation for why scum!besie moved, in that she thought town her would do so in reaction to the vanilla claims.

Doesn't that make it exactly null?

 

not really. i think it's a 60/40 thing accounting for her inexperience since town doesn't usually believe Vt claims that easily.

[Zander?]

that's actually reasonable. when someone does a table like that it's basically what you did when you iso'd laine when she was about to get lynched to justify your eventual vote on her. It's too much effort in the wrong place, pretty much.

 

However, I would also like to add that Besie being sort of new excuses part of this. It's hard to say but she might do it as town as well if she didn't know how to play as town but wanted to be useful.

 

This is much more accurately put, then I have been explain.

 

I dont know why everyone just seems to think Towning is easy.

 

Its not for everyone.  Especially for newer players.

 

And if Im right like I think I am then even more so for a 1st timer.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

 

See that doesnt read like TMI to me, that reads like he is accusing her of BEING mafia.

 

Like, the reason she is troubled is because her kill is now subbed back into the game. Thats what I got when I first read that post back then.

I see the accusation. I also see the assumption that Zander was the mafia kill.

 

He's talked about why he thinks Kivam wasn't (that kivam was vig or possibly sk) but I'm not ruling it out that Kivam was killed my mafia, and don't like that he is.

I assume that zander was the wolf kill too, ftr. It makes a lot more sense, so I dont see a reason to not move with that assumption for now.

 

 

You say that like you have a problem with me sussing Turin for it.

 

You are voting him too...

 

If we are correct:

Turin is wolf.

Wolves killed Zander.

Turin was a part of the wolves killing Zander.

Turin's comment could be construed as TMI.

 

 

When you have sufficient experience you make calls like Zander was the wolf nk like breathing. Don't know if that applies here but it's why I'm not really going to bet on that comment being TMI.

[Shad_]

Im not saying that was her plan, im saying thats how D2 has panned out.

Maybe my relentless prodding of you and Turin mislead her into believing I don't intend to lynch her. /shrug

[Sili Quirrels]

 

that's actually reasonable. when someone does a table like that it's basically what you did when you iso'd laine when she was about to get lynched to justify your eventual vote on her. It's too much effort in the wrong place, pretty much.

 

However, I would also like to add that Besie being sort of new excuses part of this. It's hard to say but she might do it as town as well if she didn't know how to play as town but wanted to be useful.

 

This is much more accurately put, then I have been explain.

 

I dont know why everyone just seems to think Towning is easy.

 

Its not for everyone.  Especially for newer players.

 

And if Im right like I think I am then even more so for a 1st timer.

 

i'm so glad so many ppl are agreeing with m e.

[Lenlo]

 

Im not saying that was her plan, im saying thats how D2 has panned out.

Maybe my relentless prodding of you and Turin mislead her into believing I don't intend to lynch her. /shrug

 

Eh. I took your prodding as trying to get us to solidify our arguments rather then trying to catch/defend/tear them down.

[Sili Quirrels]

that was a rather villagery comment zander. idk, but something about the lack of force in it makes me believe you're town.

[Sili Quirrels]

Besie read of zander-lime please?

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That entire list and consolidating on Kiv not because of her reads but because everyone else told her to? Thats super sketch. I said as much when she first posted it.

 

I think your blinded and not actually reconsidering your read on her after her initial D1 start.

I dont think I am.

 

I think youre not willing to consider the possibility youre wrong.

K. Ftr, you're biased as hell and it's a bit unsavory to see in yet another game. It's going to get abused badly sometime soon when people figure out that they can. It's also likely to get you killed til you change it.

I dont give a crap what you think tbqh.

 

Ill defend or go after ANY read I see fit to do so.

If it was read based I'd accept that. It isn't though, I've not seen her take a critique in the past few games without you chiming in to defend it. It's personal, and you admitted as much last game. This isn't the time or place to get into the philosophy of friendship affecting games, but keep it in mind Zander or you're going to harm the town.

Yes Im ive admitted i was bias....STILL DOESNT CHANGE THE FACT IM READING HER TOWN.

 

The EoD move makes 0 sense from Scum!Besie.

 

Ive said that numerous times.

 

Shes done nothing similar to her other Scum games.

 

Ive said this numerous times.

 

So if I think shes not playing to her Meta and she did something that makes 0 sense from a Scum!Besie perspective I would call that a read.

 

You disagree?

Show me how her EoD makes no sense to you from a wolf perspective please

 

 

Because both Hallia and Kiv flipped Town.

 

If she was Scum she could have sat there and just went with her read originally, or said she just voted because of her tabulation. 

 

Either of those draw less attention then what actually happened.

 

Hence it makes 0 sense from a Scum!Besie perspective imo.

 

AGain, it makes 0 sense from any alignment so at best I dont see how you can paint that as a towny move. The logic your using is TWTBAW, which is bull crap and you know it.

 

 

It makes more sense to me irt Besie from a Town!Besie perspective then a Scum!Besie one.

 

Im not even saying TWTBAW, Im saying I dont see Scum!Besie doing that.

[Lenlo]

And I personally think your blinded from out of game stuff. But thats jsut me.

[Sili Quirrels]

anyone wanna play battlefleet gothic with me?

[Sili Quirrels]

We will eliminate the xenos scum together.

[Zander?]

Has Zander been defending Besie since he got back?

 

Yes

 

 

It does make sense if she thinks she can talk her way out of the heat it will generate.

Seems to me she can't be bothered.

 

 

Do you feel that is alignment indicative of her one way or the other?

 

If so which and why?

 

 

 

It does make sense if she thinks she can talk her way out of the heat it will generate.

Seems to me she can't be bothered.

 

Seems to me Zander is doing it for her.

 

 

Yes I am defending my Town read.

 

Deal.