[Advanced]Lost mafia - Game over - Sili, SK wins!

[Lenlo]

 

Unless hes a Mafia Vig, then no its not TMI. Just being mafia doesnt mean he knows whether or not an SK is in the game.

It's still a possibility Lenlo, for we don't know much about the setup.

 

I didnt say it wasnt...? But he would have to be a mafia with a Vig on his team. So using this as reasoning to lynch him/vote him is weeeeak?

[Guest]

 

 

 

Lol Len

I'm leaving it to 50/50. I am for both Hallia and Kivam, so let's see.

 

[unvote] [v] besie [/v]

I was to late. She voted turin an posts this :(

I went to look back on why I voted besie.

Later on I am fairly sure she claimed that she believed both vt claims. However here she clearly states she is fine with either being lynched and this was after she switched to turin fyi.

 

If you both for hallia and Kivam the right thing to do is to vote who is scummier in your eyes.

 

 

I don't remember why I thought besie looked any better.

 

The thing that gets me is I don't see besie killing a town zander if she is a wolf. But if she thought he was a pr I guess it's a different story.

 

I am seeing alot of contradiction to what besie has been arguing and would like her to respond to this

I was okay with both being lynched because I thought they were both scummy. I was wrong. And I did believe their claims too. Which is why I voted another of my wtl's.

[Guest]

 

So, for this moment, I'm going to

[unvote] so that I can [v]seph[/v].

I'm wtl Turin, Seph, Darthe and Lenlo. I feel the most... worried (?) about seph atm. I still need to complete at least some of my reread (which prolly won't happen today; and I'm not rereading everything since I was fully present for the last part of D1) but seph is worrying me. Gut feeling. I'm going to see what I can find to legitimate my gut.

So this 1 post took me out of your town pile?

No. You were towny. I woke yesterday with a gut feeling that maybe you were not. Went back and started a reread. And quite a few bits felt different - especially after we've had 3 town flips.

[Guest]

Okay Lenlo

 

So first: no. I didn't say my town game is great. You're pulling that out of context. I had said: " I don't keep my town game great by learning from the times I'm wolf." (1) see the "don't" there? (2) it was more of a statement for the future since, oh that's right, I HAVE NO TOWN GAME. this is literally my first town game.

 

Secondly, THIS IS LITERALLY MY FIRST TOWN GAME. Thus, InExPeRiEnCe. But I've been wolf thrice - which means that I have quite a bit more experience there. I have literally never learned how to town. I've tried to, as wolf, but the fact that I knew who was what changes the situation.

 

Third, you are defending every single person we start focusing on being scum. First it was Kivam - which, as it turns out, was justified. It's Turin above. Can someone, if they have time, check which people he hasn't been defending at all? I have a feeling that, IF Lenlo is scum, then he might be avoiding his teammates.

[Guest]

Still wtl Seph, Lenlo, Turin & Darthe, in that order.

 

Anybody feeling the same?

Obviously not you, Lenlo.

[Guest]

And for interest sake: These were Hallia and Zander's wtl lists at that point in time (p50). Kivam never game his.

 

Zander - p42 - Thane, Shad, Kivam, Darthe

Hallia - p44 - Besie, Kivam, Thane, Celeste

[Guest]

And yes. Zander is dead. He may have replaced nyn too, but until I think I know his new alignment, he's dead.

[Guest]

Lenlo, who do you think the scum team is, and why?

[Guest]

Darthe, who do you think the scum team is, and why?

[Guest]

Turin, who do you think the scum team is, and why?

[Guest]

Thane, is there any way that you can somehow prove that you are town, without using the mason?

[Guest]

Sili, Celeste, Eldrick, Dice - what's up?

[Guest]

Funshine Bear (nyn/zander) - were you perhaps neighbours/masons before zander's death and nyn's sub? And are you town?

[Guest]

Shad, who do you think the scum team is, and why?

[Guest]

Seph, who do you think the scum team is, and why?

 

Have you thought of a good reason why you voted me last second in D1?

 

And please answer what I asked you on p41 - why did Dice's posts bother you?

 

 

 

said my opinion of you was weakening... you thought i mean I had a stronger scum read now? no, it was the opposite.

 

as for reads

 

i am purposely keeping seph null and will be just following others in regards to him. why? cause he is playing exactly like last game and last game he was town but it was so recent i think itd be easy for him to copy.

 

I have that WIFOM thought in my mind pretty strongly so im not making a call at this point if at all

 

 

zander sounds ok not totally sold yet

 

i refuse to town read sneaky belgians like thane after last game :p

 

if i voted anywhere right now itd be shad. didnt like that post about towning and really havent liked how often he pointed out his activity in this game

wait wut lol i'm at the bottom of your list? is the list all nulls?

I really dislike dice's post here

Why?

 

[Thane Vakarian]

Shad = mason buddy

Eldrick > like his posts

Besie > does seem town this game, feels a whole lot different from last game when reading

Dice > not setting off any alarm bells at this point. Which is good, I can read him quite well.

 

Funshine Bear > had Nyn slight town before she subbed out, and will now see what Zan will do with the slot

Lenlo & Darthe > can't really place them up or down at this point. At one moment, i think 'that looks town', another makes me doubt. Perhaps 1 deep wolf here.

 

Seph: Still not seeing a full town Seph here, which worries me enough to place him here. He should be obvious town to me from D1, but I'm really not convinced. 

Sili: so, here is another player that is posting, but not convincing me of town intentions. Something is bugging me here with his game play (not his personality, mind you)

 

Turin: I can usually tell when he's town, and I'm not getting it this game at all. And it seems that other players are picking up on it too. He's got a certain presence and aggressiveness when town, and it's lacking here. 

Celeste: absolutely underwhelming. I haven't read a single post that made me think 'yup, she's town here'. Maybe because she's not town, that'd make sense.

 

 

This is where my head is taking me at this point. It was quite hard to place people. Harder than I thought. This is all based on where I feel the players would be in the list. 

[Thane Vakarian]

Thane, is there any way that you can somehow prove that you are town, without using the mason?

you will find out when I am NK'd or endgame at the latest *nods*. Otherwise.... do you think I'm trying to solve this game, or just coasting along? I might not be the most vocal player in the game, but I have posted my thoughts now. Maybe they differ from other people. Sometimes, town/Thane has silly little ideas and gut feelings that turn out to be right. Let's see if that happens.

 

If something should make you, or any other player, doubt the mason, then feel free to lynch me for it. Shad is a stronger and more vocal player at endgame, and would be the one of us you will want then. 

[Eldrick4221]

And yes. Zander is dead. He may have replaced nyn too, but until I think I know his new alignment, he's dead.

Zander 1.0 IS dead. Everything he said before he was killed we know is from a town standpoint.

[Eldrick4221]

There has been discussion about turin's sk post, so I went to dig it up. Here it is and his "reasoning".

 

 

 

If there are two deaths tonight lock Bess in as SK.

What???

That poll was pure lynch anyone but me and let me have no responsibility for it. The fact she was willing to move off kiv after he claims vt nearly locks it in.

 

 

My 2p.

This doesn't make sense to me. Why did he expect there to be a second kill? Why is this a reason to sus besie for said kill?

 

Has he since sussed her for being an sk after we had 2 kills?

[dicetosser1]

maybe im imagining things.

 

this was about me being weird iirc  and yes u are

 

 

So your town game is great huh? I see there are some broken quotes in there, but im pretty sure this is your statement. Broken quotes where in the orig quote.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bessie, if you actually randed town you would tell us, right?

I'd give you the same answer I would as wolf, yes.

 

Which is also the answer I gave you when we first played together.

From what I can tell, you were wolf in the game you are referring. Why bring it up? Why not a simple yes, instead of a "I'd say yes either way, wolf or not (refer to wolf game)"

 

Someone has answered this. I don't keep my town game great by learning from the times I'm wolf. I uphold my wolf game by making sure I play the same when I'm town.

 

 

 

 

 

len  i caught this as well when she said and and said you havent towned to which i got a perky true tone wise seeming  "I Know!!"

[dicetosser1]

 

Darthe and Penny need to step up and they're probably both aware of it.  Nulls only live so long as there are scummy people about.

  

 

I'm not going to be posting as much as I usually do this game. I'm doing my best to keep up and contribute.

I'm still on the fence with Sili. Not sure what to make of him. Turin is my top scum read because of his tone on D1 and he seemed kind of TMI at EoD.

Elaborate on this please.

He said "if there is two kills that Besie is SK". How is he supposed to know that?

 

The only way thats TMI is if 

1) He is an SK

2) He is a Vig of some alignment, probably wolf as town wouldnt lead that on.

 

 

Unless hes a Mafia Vig, then no its not TMI. Just being mafia doesnt mean he knows whether or not an SK is in the game.

 

 

2 things  

 

1 i was thinking he could be SK making that comment when he made it. cant remember if i said anything tho  think i might have.

 

2  how do you go from the first quote to the second?   suddenl;y he can only have TMI if he is a mafia vig?  please explain

Unless hes a Mafia Vig, then no its not TMI. Just being mafia doesnt mean he knows whether or not an SK is in the game.

 

[dicetosser1]

oh ffs!  i thought id missed that second quote the first time around!

[Turin Turambar]

Come at me wolves.

 

Mafia is in bes (I will try to get that right from now on), dice, seph, Celeste. Possibly one more. Might be Darthe. Yeah, yeah, yeah, OMGUS.

 

Bes: so many reasons. here is the sk reasoning again. SK just wants anyone other than themselves to die. From that standpoint the poll plan makes great sense. It looks townie on the surface but leaves no real trail as she was just following the consensus. It also explains some of the clunky things. Afaik she hasn't played that role before. It is tough to walk the right line if you haven't towned before. So the inexperienced line can be true but the town part isn't. She can roll with her twtbaw line as well. I don't buy it. I also don't buy the back off due to the vt claims. I don't think she was voting me previously but I haven't got my computer out to look.

 

Seph switching from following Me onto bes at EoD to saying I'm his top wolf to again following me onto bes feels very wrong.

 

Celeste: there is no TMI cause I'm town. I didn't know there would be 2 kills. I believe I specifically said if there are two kills. Side question for you ( and anyone else who wishes to answer): do you think Z 1.0 or kiv were likely SK kills? Which and why?

 

Dice: there are a few posts that still clank to me. I will have to wait to get my computer out later tonight or tomorrow morning.

[Turin Turambar]

And I apparently killed the thread.

[Guest]

 

 

Thane, is there any way that you can somehow prove that you are town, without using the mason?

you will find out when I am NK'd or endgame at the latest *nods*. Otherwise.... do you think I'm trying to solve this game, or just coasting along? I might not be the most vocal player in the game, but I have posted my thoughts now. Maybe they differ from other people. Sometimes, town/Thane has silly little ideas and gut feelings that turn out to be right. Let's see if that happens.

 

If something should make you, or any other player, doubt the mason, then feel free to lynch me for it. Shad is a stronger and more vocal player at endgame, and would be the one of us you will want then.

I believe you're trying to solve. Thank you, Thane. It would be nice to see you around more.

 

 

Thanks Dice, too. It's nice to see you here and solving.

 

 

Thank you, Turin.