[Advanced]Lost mafia - Game over - Sili, SK wins!

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

Excellent. 

 

Celeste reread needed now. 

you just did that...

 

I read the posts from her vote on Besie to present but I didn't KNOW she was a wolf. Now reading and specifically looking for clues about what she said about who and if it makes sense. 

 

You should know this. 

 

You were analyzing for a connection between celeste and dice. I know that much. And I know the possibility Celeste was a wolf was probably somewhere in the back of your brain, so here is what I am saying, the lack of material reflection after that iso is notable.

[Sili Quirrels]

Booyah! Gonna request protection tonight. Wolves may be pretty enticed to kill me and id like that to not happen.

 

[Darthe]

Here, lets line some stuff up.

 

Vig plz shoot one of len/zander/eldrick/dice if you have a shot. If not please dont say so til morning.

 

Turin please bd one of shad/i with someone who they are never gonna kill, a la the masons or yourself. Kinda safe it.

 

Investigator plz aim at one of the four the vig is going at.

 

Doc plz protect one of me/shad.

[Darthe]

 

Booyah! Gonna request protection tonight. Wolves may be pretty enticed to kill me and id like that to not happen.

Yo boo

[dicetosser1]

lol well done darthe

[Turin Turambar]

Hi Sili. 

 

 

I get credit for voting her over Besie yesterday. You and everyone on Besie at the end of the day do not. Today doesn't matter. Day 2 does.

Nope. You flip flopped between the two. It is easily possible that she was being bussed hard. I believe the term Darthe uses is advanced bussing. 

 

 

 

 

Excellent. 

 

Celeste reread needed now. 

you just did that...

 

I think everybody who has the time should do that, see if they find something that could lead us to the next wolf. 

 

I mean he just made an mq of Celeste. So I'm noting that he didn't offer anything. It doesn't flow.

 

I was looking at what she had done and it looked to me that she was much more likely to be mafia at that point. Maybe that is why you decided to hammer and keep her from doing any more spewing. 

 

 

quick read thru and some possible spewage. 

 

I will try to post quotes before too much longer. Need to file for my state ID number after I talk to Ithi.

 

I think that Eld , Len and me (biased) look better. 

Z2.0, Dice and possibly Sili (weird) looks worse. No credit for the Hammer because She was definitely getting lynched today.

 

Seph some both ways. Darthe also. 

 

We get the Masons confirmed and I think we might be able to lock this up tomorrow. 

 

might be holstering tonight. Might not. 

 

You look better? Sure.

 

No you don't.

 

Who was the ONLY person she put ANY effort into getting lynched??? Me. look it up. 

 

Interesting that you have now picked up the torch for her.

 

Now that I know you better it doesn't fit that you claimed busdriver when you did, as town.

You don't know me. If you think you do then you are fooling yourself. I claimed with the purpose of giving my action in case there was a view sent in on either of my targets I didn't want to have someone act on something that could be faulty. Also to prevent anyone from attempting to use my flip to dispute said view. 

 

If you really knew me you would know that as town I'm not afraid to die as long as it has a purpose. I thought it was possible before last night that my role was the weak protective role for town. But I have to assume either a doc exists now or that a RB got lucky but in that case I think that there would have been some evidence of that in the thread. 

 

I said BEsie looked like new town, did a 120 and voted Celeste to tie the wagons and give us the opportunity to lynch her. I am town.

You followed my case and agreed with it and then flipped on it. Possibly deciding that better to bus Celeste for more cred than secure a lynch on LHF Besie who was not likely to make it even another day.

 

 

 

I said BEsie looked like new town, did a 120 and voted Celeste to tie the wagons and give us the opportunity to lynch her. I am town.

It's possible that both you and Turin are town this game *nods*

 

I look at his claim - it didn't make him come across as more town. Someone with a mind for details knows a busdriver claim has potential to backfire because they're thinking about it from the time they find out.  They think about how to portray it better. Only, if he is a wolf, it was his last resort or something close to. He took a gamble there. Turin was at l-2. I don't think he claims there as town if he does not need to leave, and even then I think he frames it different - probably says he is a transporter actually.

 

I didn't claim to come across as more town. I claimed because we had 1 hour left in the day and I knew I was town. I wanted to get my info out before I got lynched if that happened. Also, I knew I am town. Why should I not claim as town? It also gives mafia some pause about shooting because they have to worry about their shots coming back at them.  

 

Your argument is backwards. A wolf would try to sugar coat the claim to get people off for good. 

 

Turin was the person who wouldn't get a joke even after it was explained to him, and Nyn lobbed him a softball.

 

You know, we can lynch Zander first. I am okay with that. But it would satiate my pride if Turin was a wolf and we had him for dinner tomorrow.

Explain how Nyn lobbed me a softball again? it doesn't make sense to me. I read much more like she was sussing me for not getting the "obvious" joke.

 

Pride goes before the fall. 

 

 

 

Your arguments make no sense Sili. 

 

 

I asked these questions previously but you didn't answer, so I'm gonna try again...

BTW, how did you determine that you were shot at?

Do you think that I got RB'ed or that someone actually shot at Dice?

What do you think either of these things mean? 

[dicetosser1]

@ vig   seriously    im town    shoot within eldrick zander imo   that flip looks good for len   makes me pencil him in for town

[Sili Quirrels]

Celeste from her vote on Besie EoD D2:

 

 

[v]Besie[/v] I'm at work but have little doubts on Turin's claim. As for Besie I don't get why she is voting me. It gives me pause

This is her actually vote on Besie. She doesn't mention anything about self pres. If her vote is self pres then she should be able to deduce that Besie's vote was also at least in part self pres.

 

Still saying she doubt's my claim. fair enough. Her reasoning is bad tho. 

 

**Wait, what? Besie offers no reason - just says she doubts the claim.

 

 

I'm back and I have major thoughts regarding the EoD claim of Turin. I highly doubt Turin is a Town Busdriver mainly because that role is more designed for mafia rather than town. NOW PLEASE ACTUALLY READ THIS POST OF MINE DESPITE MY SELF PRES VOTE EARLIER. I saw somewhere that it was in the Town of Salem game here which is based on town of salem and I don't think you should take the fact that a town busdriver was in that game when the actual ToS games balance is really bad. I have played there. This makes me think he is scum. It also explains the tmi a bit from earlier. Just look here for the jist of the Bus driver role.

 

http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/database/mafia-roles/role/?mafiarole=Bus%20Driver

Ok well, I was leaning town on him without the claim. I'm not going to lynch someone strictly on assumptions about Sooh's set-up.

 

You're late on your homework.

 

I'm still reading his posts but almost done.

 

Now she is broadcasting that her Besie vote was self pres. So the question becomes how does she not understand that Besie's vote on her was also? 

 

On to throw shade on my TOWN BUS DRIVER claim. pure setup spec and gaming of the mod. ANY role combo can be put into any game and balanced properly as long as the mod works it out. also did you look at the listing on mafiascum that I linked earlier that states pretty clearly that BD is more a town role in part because it can be OP for mafia. I have been a switcher as mafia (and have seen it as a town role) before and can tell you it is nearly OP in mafia hands.  It basically eliminates doc protection as all you have to do is kill someone that isn't getting protected and then switch with the intended target.  As town it is less so because it is harder to coordinate the working of that role with others unless everyone is outed. I have been in a game that as town we were able to coordinate actions and it rekt the wolves pretty effectively.

 

 

That is the most and best argument Celeste has offered this entire game for someone being a wolf. It's almost like she believes it.  If you were town I was expecting it to look more like a haulting step forward - something that demonstrates effort but also self-doubt like the rest of her gameplay does.

 

 

Celeste: from your point of view, have you done enough to convince us you're town, or not?

Yes, because I don't see this being how I act when playing as mafia. 

 

Self meta defense is bad

 

I really want people to see my post about Turin. I don't get why people read him as town. It's like the Nolder suspicion I had in WoW.

How is this relevant? you apparently caught one mafia in one game for something. You "case" on me is nothing but "Turin must be mafia because bus driver is only mafia" when that has been shown to not be the truth. 

 

I think if you're town you anticipated the skepticism of your claim.

 

I haven't liked Turin at all. My PoE for now is Turin > Darthe > Zander 2.0. I regret switching to besie but it was out of self pres and nobody was going to trust me on Turin.

Again changing history to say that her Besie vote was self pres. 

Yes, no one believed your case except Dice who had the same thought... where is Dice in your PoE here???

 

I'm pretty fudging tired now. I was trying to keep up today and Zander is a bit more scummy than his previous day so he is moving up in my PoE. Then Dice's reactions to the push on him are really fake and coming from a scum mindset. People aren't listening to my read of Turin still. Right now my PoE is Turin/Dice > Zander > Darthe

 

[v]Dice[/v]

So you go from voting me (your best mafia read) to voting with me on the person I have been suspecting for basically the entire game??

Do you think that I am bussing him?

Or is this another vote that will be listed as self pres after the fact?

 

 

I think the Dice vote is likely anti spew. 

 

 

I posted in blue. I made red the thing that shows you found a link between celeste and dice. I probably ain't going to vote Dice tomorrow. Guess we'll find out.

[dicetosser1]

@ darthe   can you put out a reads list? 

[Turin Turambar]

Here, lets line some stuff up.

 

Vig plz shoot one of len/zander/eldrick/dice/Sili if you have a shot. If not please dont say so til morning.

 

Turin please bd one of shad/i with someone who they are never gonna kill, a la the masons or yourself. Kinda safe it.

 

Investigator plz aim at one of the four the vig is going at. Maybe at the lined out ones to confirm. Otherwise the risk is of doubling up which is wasteful. Also, if the masons haven't been checked yet they need to be.

 

Doc plz protect one of me/shad.

FTFY

 

Have you been drinking at the office? How do you have me targeting shad to protect and then say I should move it to Shad/Thane because mafia wouldn't kill them? 

[Darthe]

Ftr imo this game has a roleblocker.

 

Also, ftr, I think protective roles are the most valuable in the game. Whoever you are maybe staying safe would be best.

[Darthe]

 

Here, lets line some stuff up.

 

Vig plz shoot one of len/zander/eldrick/dice/Sili if you have a shot. If not please dont say so til morning.

 

Turin please bd one of shad/i with someone who they are never gonna kill, a la the masons or yourself. Kinda safe it.

 

Investigator plz aim at one of the four the vig is going at. Maybe at the lined out ones to confirm. Otherwise the risk is of doubling up which is wasteful. Also, if the masons haven't been checked yet they need to be.

 

Doc plz protect one of me/shad.

FTFY

 

Have you been drinking at the office? How do you have me targeting shad to protect and then say I should move it to Shad/Thane because mafia wouldn't kill them?

They dont have time too. If they shoot a mason instead of a cop or doc or etc they confirm the other mason for us and with the other twos reveal that mechanically locks the game.

[Darthe]

@ darthe can you put out a reads list?

No I cannot, not atm anyhow

[dicetosser1]

sorry  shoulda said just before daybreak

[Turin Turambar]

Celeste from the beginning. Quoteing posts that may have some spew in them.

 

 

[v]Shad[/v] ARE YOU POG NOW

"joke" votes Shad. Feels like nothing and Shad is most likely town so thinking it is nothing but a park vote. It did stay there for a significant portion of D1.

 

 

 

I humbly accept Seph as the intro phase boss of my village.

I should also add. At your own risk to that shad lol

Lol are you officially Spider-Man Seph.

 

conversation. I don't know Celeste enough to know if she would be more likely than not to banter in this way specifically with a partner. 

 

[unvote] 

Unvotes Shad I think after the Mason claim. Doesn't really have another candidate.  

 

 

Ftr I don't care about the vote. It's not doing anything and if you don't have a better use for it, you can leave it there until you do. Just wanted to be clear that's what you were saying.

What.. Can you re-word the bolded.

 

This feels like an actual push at Eldrick. I think it makes him more likely town.

 

Wait did I see somewhere that Zander doesn't have reads yet.

This was at Z 1.0. We know he was town and it is an active sus trying to see if it will get traction.

 

I'm going to reread the thread to see what I missed during my skimming.

Going to reread. may have to requote this in next group of posts because she didn't finish until the next day.

 

Honestly i'm not getting why votes are piling up on Seph this time. He's making a lot of sense like last game. 

This is seeming defense of Seph. Not sure how to read it tho. could be either defending a teammate or WKing a townie. 

 

 

 

I think there is more to support Eldrick being spewed town later. 

She dels with Shad, Z1.0 and Eld in a similar way. I think that looks good for Eld and Shad ( and by association Thane).

[Sili Quirrels]

Hi Sili. 

 

 

I get credit for voting her over Besie yesterday. You and everyone on Besie at the end of the day do not. Today doesn't matter. Day 2 does.

Nope. You flip flopped between the two. It is easily possible that she was being bussed hard. I believe the term Darthe uses is advanced bussing. 

 

How does flip flopping change the fact that I did a 120?  Basically, now I'm just extrapolating, but what you're saying is because a thing is possible means it's just as likely as the simpler altenrative.

 

 

 

 

Excellent. 

 

Celeste reread needed now. 

you just did that...

 

I think everybody who has the time should do that, see if they find something that could lead us to the next wolf. 

 

I mean he just made an mq of Celeste. So I'm noting that he didn't offer anything. It doesn't flow.

 

I was looking at what she had done and it looked to me that she was much more likely to be mafia at that point. Maybe that is why you decided to hammer and keep her from doing any more spewing. 

 

I think you were trying to justify voting her after she got to L-2 and you realized you couldn't save her. I mean that is so obvious bussing I don't even. Leaving that massive investigation to the end of the day when the lynch is probably already decided, and pretending it's anything positive for you is wolfy af.

 

 

 

 

quick read thru and some possible spewage. 

 

I will try to post quotes before too much longer. Need to file for my state ID number after I talk to Ithi.

 

I think that Eld , Len and me (biased) look better. 

Z2.0, Dice and possibly Sili (weird) looks worse. No credit for the Hammer because She was definitely getting lynched today.

 

Seph some both ways. Darthe also. 

 

We get the Masons confirmed and I think we might be able to lock this up tomorrow. 

 

might be holstering tonight. Might not. 

 

You look better? Sure.

 

No you don't.

 

Who was the ONLY person she put ANY effort into getting lynched??? Me. look it up. 

 

Interesting that you have now picked up the torch for her.

 

Yeah, and that doesn't make you town... Might actually make you a wolf because wolves find it easier to bus and she started pushing you very late, which leads me to think she pushed you out of convenience after two days where she wasn't able to get a good push on anyone else.

 

Now that I know you better it doesn't fit that you claimed busdriver when you did, as town.

You don't know me. If you think you do then you are fooling yourself. I claimed with the purpose of giving my action in case there was a view sent in on either of my targets I didn't want to have someone act on something that could be faulty. Also to prevent anyone from attempting to use my flip to dispute said view. 

 

If you really knew me you would know that as town I'm not afraid to die as long as it has a purpose. I thought it was possible before last night that my role was the weak protective role for town. But I have to assume either a doc exists now or that a RB got lucky but in that case I think that there would have been some evidence of that in the thread. 

Well Darthe said you were methodical. Taking that into account --- I remember noting that you said your views in a post after you claimed. If that's true, then that contradicts what you're saying about wanting to give the town some information, but beyond that you weren't yet in a position where your lynch could happen too quickly for you to respond.

 

No, I think you dying as town with purpose fits. You would probably do it as a wolf too if you'd do it as town - really very little difference. Regardless this has nothing to do with what troubles me. Claiming like you did has no purpose. As town it was better to lie about certain things and to frame it better if you needed to claim.

 

 

I said BEsie looked like new town, did a 120 and voted Celeste to tie the wagons and give us the opportunity to lynch her. I am town.

You followed my case and agreed with it and then flipped on it. Possibly deciding that better to bus Celeste for more cred than secure a lynch on LHF Besie who was not likely to make it even another day.

 

Yeah I guess hypothetically a wolf could have done that too, but you're bsing. 

 

 

 

I said BEsie looked like new town, did a 120 and voted Celeste to tie the wagons and give us the opportunity to lynch her. I am town.

It's possible that both you and Turin are town this game *nods*

 

I look at his claim - it didn't make him come across as more town. Someone with a mind for details knows a busdriver claim has potential to backfire because they're thinking about it from the time they find out.  They think about how to portray it better. Only, if he is a wolf, it was his last resort or something close to. He took a gamble there. Turin was at l-2. I don't think he claims there as town if he does not need to leave, and even then I think he frames it different - probably says he is a transporter actually.

 

I didn't claim to come across as more town. I claimed because we had 1 hour left in the day and I knew I was town. I wanted to get my info out before I got lynched if that happened. Also, I knew I am town. Why should I not claim as town? It also gives mafia some pause about shooting because they have to worry about their shots coming back at them.  

 

Your argument is backwards. A wolf would try to sugar coat the claim to get people off for good. 

 

One hour is a lot of time. And to be clear I don't care that you claimed. I care about how you claimed and when you claimed because of what you claimed.  No a villager and a wolf both want to look good but a villager gives it more thought because a pr always has to claim.

 

 

 

Turin was the person who wouldn't get a joke even after it was explained to him, and Nyn lobbed him a softball.

 

You know, we can lynch Zander first. I am okay with that. But it would satiate my pride if Turin was a wolf and we had him for dinner tomorrow.

Explain how Nyn lobbed me a softball again? it doesn't make sense to me. I read much more like she was sussing me for not getting the "obvious" joke.

 

She refrained from going for your jugular tbh. She asked you a silly question about hey don't you know this is a joke? - it's pretty obvious ya? It wasn't even a real suss.

 

Pride goes before the fall. 

 

 

 

Your arguments make no sense Sili. 

 

 

I asked these questions previously but you didn't answer, so I'm gonna try again...

BTW, how did you determine that you were shot at?

Do you think that I got RB'ed or that someone actually shot at Dice?

What do you think either of these things mean? 

 

I don't like huge mqs that are in spoiler text that are difficult to respond to. I painted responses in blue once again. I don't like the stress. If you've responded by now to my analysis of your celeste iso I won't respond to that either.

 

I'm not going to answer the first one.

No idea what you mean by the second one.

No bloody idea.

 

I did not visit anyone last night.

[Sili Quirrels]

tl;dr turin is busy fabricating a case on me, and it's so obvious to me, i don't want to even bother with him rn. i just can't take it seriously at all.

[Darthe]

I'm about to drop the one read I think is most important atm.

 

Zander is a wolf. Why? He tried to discredit me and take credit for the celeste lynch in the same string of posts * before * she got lynched.

 

Hard to see him as a wolf with Lenlo though.

[Sili Quirrels]

I'm about to drop the one read I think is most important atm.

 

Zander is a wolf. Why? He tried to discredit me and take credit for the celeste lynch in the same string of posts * before * she got lynched.

 

Hard to see him as a wolf with Lenlo though.

I'm not going to vote lenlo either.

 

btw do you think dice is a wolf?

[Darthe]

Not really. I'm a bit lost on the third woof. Still lightly suspect Turin

[Sili Quirrels]

Not really. I'm a bit lost on the third woof. Still lightly suspect Turin

After what he just did I'm actually close to 90% confident Turin is a wolf.

 

Dice's tone is normal dice I think. Zander Turin Seph Dice I guess in that order.

[Turin Turambar]

spoilered her big post.

 

 

Part two of reread (I don't want to make a massive wall of text, so I'm breaking it up)
 

 

 

 

It's really cute how you always try to find the wolves between the actual active posters.

Why is this a bad thing?

It isn't.

 
 

 

 

It's really cute how you always try to find the wolves between the actual active posters.

Not sure what this mean; are you saying he should look from the inactive posters?  o.O

Euhm.... just lol.
We literally just played a game with him where he was town. What did he do? He tried to find out who the scum were. That's kinda the point, right? So that's the first part of my sentence.
Second part of the sentence is referring to, once again, the game we just played (and pretty much all mafia games ever). When someone is inactive it does not make them town. We are 15 people in this game atm. At that point in time like 5 people (#themathishard) were actively talking.
My post didn't say anything alignment - wise. It simply stated the obvious.
Which apparently isn't very obvious to you.

 
 
Your post about seph looking for wolves in the active players is still bugging me, and I clearly wasn't the only one that it bothered. Yes, you were pointing out the obvious. The question is why. What was the point of mentioning this? Of course he's going to look for scum in the active players.

1.)  Is it just looking at the active players though sometimes I find the inactive players need the same pushes active players get at times.

 

 

 

 

It's really cute how you always try to find the wolves between the actual active posters.

Why is this a bad thing?

It isn't.

 

 

It's really cute how you always try to find the wolves between the actual active posters.

Not sure what this mean; are you saying he should look from the inactive posters? o.O

Euhm.... just lol.
We literally just played a game with him where he was town. What did he do? He tried to find out who the scum were. That's kinda the point, right? So that's the first part of my sentence.
Second part of the sentence is referring to, once again, the game we just played (and pretty much all mafia games ever). When someone is inactive it does not make them town. We are 15 people in this game atm. At that point in time like 5 people (#themathishard) were actively talking.
My post didn't say anything alignment - wise. It simply stated the obvious.
Which apparently isn't very obvious to you.

Your post about seph looking for wolves in the active players is still bugging me, and I clearly wasn't the only one that it bothered. Yes, you were pointing out the obvious. The question is why. What was the point of mentioning this? Of course he's going to look for scum in the active players.

What's the point of mentioning anything? Have you not been giving your opinion on random posts? Or are you just critisizing one of the few people that actually do? I do not think the same way you do. I look for reads in different places; in different ways.
And that, is what makes mafia work. We're supposed to work together and find the one person that everyone has as scum, albeit for different reasons. If you are completely against a vote because you don't like their reasoning, rather than having your own reasons for thinking them town? Then I have nothing to say to you.

  
2.) This makes me feel a bit better about Besie

The above post alone practically guarantees town elrick. Havent read up yet, just saw that and wanted to comment.

3.) I haven't played with Eldrick enough but how does that "guarantee" him?

 

 

 

1.) Wants to pressure inactives. I think this actually looks better for Seph. I doubt that she would be prodding him in particular for his pressuring people. 

 

2.) Earlier soft defending of a townie for raisins?? Obviously didn't think she would need to vote her later in the day to try to self pres. 

 

3.) This is the thing that really looks good for Eldrick IMO. I don't see her asking for additional clarification if he is a teammate. 

[Sili Quirrels]

I think I might switch Turin and Zander if more people agreed with me but till that happens that order is appropriate I think.

[Sili Quirrels]

I think I might switch Turin and Zander if more people agreed with me but till that happens that order is appropriate I think.

I'm such a team player taking into account the opinions of my town core even though last time that really messed up my head.

[Darthe]

Seph ain't even on my list son