MAFIA KART WII [BASIC] - Mafia Sweep

[Zander?]

TL:DR

 
Positive- 9
 
Null- 26
 
Negative- 6* /5
 
 
Im not counting one of the negative's as it comes after Liz's death.
 
Things of note:
 
-Lainey never calls Liz Scum once in her ISO till after her death.
 
-Lainey calls Liz Town, a Town Lean, Ok and that Liz had been pronouncing her Townyness and is willing to sheep Liz's read on Penny.
 
She had some concerns about Liz as well but after reading through it all Im not sure how Lainey really thought Liz was Scum.
 
Having said that, I in my first PR ever as Town x1 Vig had Darthe as one of if not my Top Town reads D1 and only because he had said he'd never vote or wasnt gonna vote a particular player at EoD but ended up doing that did I end up pulling the trigger on him.
 
I dont really feel like this is a natural progression on Liz that would lead Lainey to shoot her.  But there is some doubt that it would make me at least consider Lainey telling the truth and took that Hero Shot.  But overall I dont see it.
 
Im gonna take a look at the last thing that really stuck out to me irt Lainey and thats her weird progression on me.

[Sili Quirrels]

Nope I'm useless. One shot.

you really don't want to drag this on do you, lol.

 

sorry laine.

[alannalynn]

[v]Alanna[/v]

 

I'm done.

[Sili Quirrels]

Well, I was going to move off and say you can prove it tonight with no real risk, but nvm.

i would have kept voting her to be honest, but yeah, tis a good idea.

[alannalynn]

Whoever hammers me gets a cookie.

[Darthe]

Yeah If she is is 1x we have too lynch

[Zander?]

Part 1-Lainey's progression on me

 

 

 

I'm actually pretty happy town reading Seph right now. Darthe can have a slight town lean though I'm hesitant reading him so early. Zander is pending



#101 I'm not getting Sili's vote on Z
#116 Sili I think Zander's entrance has been on par with his usual entrance into a game, this interaction between you two feels weird though #129 I always find the best way to read Zander is to just let him loose on the thread and see what he does. He reacts poorly under pressure as either alignment, especially if it's immediate.
 

laine/seph arguments look v/v to me.

Still haven't had a single post of Sili's click for me. Neutral on Zander as well.

Slightly liking Calder but hesitant to even post that I'm so uncommitted to it.

Don't hate most of this.


#172 Liz, why are you town reading Zander? And you say that's a serious vote on Calder, raisons? NVM I see reasons. I've been ignoring Calder until I feel like dealing with him, that generally works for me. The vote is okay though, Calder's been meh thus far from what I've skimmed
 

 

She doesn't understand Sili's vote on me or Liz's Town read on me.

 

Has me as Null pending atp.

 

Clov I really hope you don't hate me. Or Cory, or Zander. We're pretty great, imo

 

#352 Zander, Sili I wish you two would just communicate simply to start with. Same with Liz/Celeste, ffs.

 

I've posted thoughts on a few players. I'm leaning more town on Seph for his quick start to the game. Darthe is leaning town, so is Sili for reasons. Zander is still null to me, but I could assign him town if I need to. Celeste/Liz are up in the air for me at the moment. I think that's pretty much all that's posted at this point, besides Clov but I hesitate to give a read so quickly when most of what he's talked about is the Liz/Celeste scenario.
 

 

Says im Null but could assign a Town read to me.

 

Uhhh Zander and I have had some recent struggles. He's lynched me, I've lynched him. We're a bit more wary of each other now and Z has grown up quite a bit. You'll find that our games have changed quite a bit recently. Hopefully later tonight or tomorrow I can really dig into this game. There's a DL in my other game and I have a massive tax project due in the morning that's like 15% of my grade in a class I currently have a 74 in, so I may be a little scarce tonight.

 

While this is technically true theres a difference imo.  When I mislynched you we were late game and down to PoE where just about everyone had the last Scum in you and Nolder and everyone had planned of voting Nolder next if we were wrong on you.  And this was also after there were votes on you.

 

Where you mislynched me you just said you didnt like like 1 thing and refused to re evaluate my slot at all and ignored me trying to get you to progress or flesh out your read on me.

 

#240 is where Liz calls Celeste scum off some reads that she tossed out in thread (Alanna town, Liz ??, Zander ??)

#247 I'm confused by this evasiveness that Liz is talking about irt Zander. She states he's being evasive about his read on Calder, but Calder isn't exactly an easy read. And if you're going on his ITT actions, he always comes off scummy. Additionally, I'm not sure Calder has put any kind of real work into the game yet besides some Seph reads, but it's also only page 13 and I think jokey phase stuff is still allowable.. meh. Not sure what to think about Liz pushing the issue though, she seems to want to push reads that may or may not be there which can be awkward for some people who need more time to develop reads like me.


#282 Zander is right, about wanting to question the read that Liz is providing. This post Zander quotes and the next few posts on p15 makes me think that Celeste realized her reaction to Liz and is now trying to brush it off by saying that it happens all the time with "I'm not going through our rollercoaster of not understanding each other this game." At the same time Liz really could just be baiting her to get a reaction in order to gain a read, but I don't see a reason to create a blow up in the thread for ONE read, tbh... especially when you know it's going to throw the other player completely off kilter. Would probably (?) lean town Liz on this?


Zander is townish

 

 

Doesnt agree with Liz's elusiveness comment.

 

And thinks Im right about questioning Liz's read on Penny.

 

Says im Townish atp.

 

 

 

She has me as what I assume would be a slight Town read.

[alannalynn]

Zander. I'm swearing to you that I'm going to flip town. Save yourself the work of looking through my ISO and just lynch me so that we can resolve this.

[alannalynn]

Vote Count

 

alannalynn - 4 -  Darthe, Calder, Clovdyx, Sili Quirrels

Celeste - 3 -  Zander, Thane Vakarian, Hallia

Sili Quirrels - 1-  Celeste

 

Not Voting: Sooh, alannalynn

 

Laine is L-2. With 10 alive, 6 to lynch.

 

 

[v]Alanna[/v]

 

I'm done.

 

Unofficial Vote Count

 

alannalynn - 5 -  Darthe, Calder, Clovdyx, Sili Quirrels, alannalynn

Celeste - 3 -  Zander, Thane Vakarian, Hallia

Sili Quirrels - 1-  Celeste

 

Not Voting: Sooh,

 

I'm at L-1

[Zander?]

Part 2- Lainey's progression on me

 

 

 

@ Zander: concise reads list please. All these questions are hard to follow and I literally don't know what you're getting at.

 

Asks me for a read list and says she doesnt understand what I'm saying.

 

 

I've been unable to follow Zander's responses this game, but do you think it has anything to do with personality? As in, Calder seemingly doesn't care about the vote, but Penny was rather reactive and garnered more attention. Calder isn't really the type to get all bothered about one vote in the first place, so I'm not sure I'm seeing it as a big deal, personally. A vote is a vote, but you probably had a reason for it, what was it?

 

Also do you think that Zander is defending Calder in some way? Do you think Calder is the type that needs defending?

 

 

*I mean defending as in: Zander not getting on Calder whereas he got onto Celeste re: votes

 

Asks if Im defending Calder and am still hard to follow.

 

But wonders if its my personality influencing my stance on Lizs questioning me about Calder/Penny.

 

I dont know for sure what Lainey is getting at here, but if she uses personality as opposed to somethng like motive I would think she was thinking I am legit trying to figure this out?

 

Am I wrong on this people?

 

Lainey thoughts?

 

Zander-Hally-Zev?

 

Now shes starting to suss me.  I go from slight Town to now part of a poss Scum team.

 

Only type of progression from slight Town read to this is her saying she doesnt follow me.

 

Being only a slight Town read I guess this isnt awful, its not great but ok.

 

I think Zander is reading the Celeste/Liz situation differently. @Zander, think about how Lenlo feels when you attack him most every game. Then replace Lenlo with Celeste and you with Liz. That's pretty much how I'm reading this.
 

Zander is strangely under my radar. He's not making big splashes yet, or else they're not going anywhere.

Zander still in question mode and catching up...nullish

 

 

Compares to other games and says its how shes reading it but doesnt say how if influences her read on me either way.

 

For someone under your radar, you've mentioned me a fair bit.  You've mentioned me being slight Town, null and a part of a Scum team?  I would say I'm very much on your radar atp.

 

Another null comment

 

 

I think Zander deserves a second look, as does Hally, though I'd rather her be current and give thoughts before I decide on lynching her.

 

Says I need another look but isnt current.

 

 

 

Zander's making me thiink early in the morning. lol

 

 

Zander: no read yet, I need to talk to him a little and see his reads first, and understand where he's coming from. So far, not good though

 

Still no read on me, she wants to see my reads and understand where Im coming from but its not a good look for me thus far.

 

My concern here is the only thing you've said against me was that you arent following me?

 

Is that something you consider a Scum tell for me?

 

Cause I get that most people dont follow me quite a bit, and I THINK you actually mention this in the Minions QT where I was Town called out the entire Scum team like 14 pages into the game.

 

So what differences irt to not following me are alignment indicative of me as both Town!Zander and Scum!Zander.

 

I guess I dont really get why your having doubts about me from what youve said thus far.

 

 

 

Zander-Hally-Zev?

 

What changed from

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/97862-mafia-kart-wii-basic/?p=3642357

 

to the above?

 

You thought I was Townish and right in that post and also didnt get Liz's comments about being evasive?

I thought it would get easier to know what you were getting at. I don't want to make the same mistakes as in Shad's game, though, so I'm hesitant to run away with a read. It would almost help if you were under some pressure, unfortunately. I could have spoken up in Shad's game, I think I just didn't reassess quick enough.

 

 

I think Zander is reading the Celeste/Liz situation differently. @Zander, think about how Lenlo feels when you attack him most every game. Then replace Lenlo with Celeste and you with Liz. That's pretty much how I'm reading this.

Zander is strangely under my radar. He's not making big splashes yet, or else they're not going anywhere.

Zander still in question mode and catching up...nullish

I kinda want to poke Liz and Zander in the eyes if they say "as a fellow ENFP" one more time, ffs

As a fellow ENFP...

 

Im reading it the way I am, nobodies seeing what Im seeing but we both know that's not a new thing and that it doesnt mean Im wrong either.  Ive been asking Penny questions looking for answers and shes not giving them to me,  If anything shes being evasive or answering with something else all together.

 

I dont care what Lenlo or Celeste feels, and both times I did it to Lenlo he was wolf...yes I was too for one of them but still.  If someone does something I dont like imma call it out.

 

What besides my frustration in Ghostbusters do yo feel is different from this game?  Are there differences or similarites from Shad's game where you read me incorrectly and mislynched me?

 

Whats your read on Celeste?

 

Do you think Celeste is scum?

I'm not answering for ongoing games, but I'm feeling similarly to Shad's game. I just need to work it out.

I just provided a reads list above, Celeste is up in the air for me. I need to read more into your exchange with her, that's one part that I ignored a bit to dig into Liz/Celeste. >_>

 

 

 

Says she hesitant to misread me again and thinks its easier to read me under pressure which imo is not a bad statement coming from her,

 

Asks if Im Scum reading Celeste who Ive been all over and am currently voting atp.

 

Says Im null and hard to follow and trying to figure me out but ignores the biggest portion of my game content???

 

I dont understand.

 

 

 

I guess she has me as a slight Scum read now for #raisins?

[alannalynn]

Zander's not even reading the last page. ffs.

[alannalynn]

I'm assuming this means nobody actually wants to lynch me. Or they don't like cookies.

[alannalynn]

Is it appropriate for town to lolcat?

[alannalynn]

Not really in the mood to do so, but since I'm "scum" I as might as well play the part.

[Sili Quirrels]

i guess my biggest hickup is you're acting like a me, but you aren't me.

 

but say if you were me, this attitude would make a lot of sense coming from town lol.

[Zander?]

Part 3- Lainey's progression on me

 

 

 

Zander's post re: Hally was good, I think it wasa #911, though some of the wording confused me and I don't see where he answered to clarify. Hally is still a null slot to me personally. I like that she's trying to catch up instead of giving up and becoming more frustrated
 

 

 

I want to take a second look at Seph, Hally, Celeste, Zander. The others on my list are either solid null or null leaning town. Calder is a special circumstance and I have good feels for some reason. Seph is on my list because he started the game strong and has fallen off and I'm a hypocrite.

 

Likes my Hallia assessment still wants to take a second look at me. SO by this statement in a slight Scum read,

 

 

 

Liz- Only thing I dont like is that she seems to be reading me with a bias irt to my posts and content but that may just be the fact that she's legit trying to read me.  Other then that she's been the most Towny thus far imo.  I think a lot of what she does has reasoning

 

Darthe- Have agreed with a fair bit of what he's had to say.  I also think with a lot of the back and forths irt to Sili, Celsete. seph, Calder and myself Scum!Darthe had an opportunity to jump on someone and it wouldnt look bad.  That being said I've only seen Darthe Scum in Cory's offsote game where I was a Maf DOc Ghost and he missed of D1 and he exterminated me...and I didnt pay all that much attention to him.

Lainey- As with Liz I like the fact that she seems to be legit trying to read my slot correctly and not wanting to make the same mistake as in Shad's game.  She's been engaged and involved.

 

Clov- Clov seems to be looking at things from all angles and weighing in on things.  Im sure he could do that as either alignment and Clov is obv very likely able to fool me.  But he hasnt dont anything to ping me.  If Clov is still alive come D2-3 ill be very suspect of him.  Im sure he'll love that last comment but its certainly something Ill be looking at.

Hallia- Hasnt been obv Town yet but Ive no problem with her content and I know she's busy in RL, her frustration with Sili felt very genuine to me.

 

 

Calder- Nothing's pinged me but I dont know how to read Calder so Im gonna need some more to go off of to formulate a read.  Havent hated his more recent stuff. 

 

Sili- I disagree with almost everything he's said but I also cant see how Scum!Sili takes this approach.

 

Thane- Liked his reads list but need more.  Thane's evolved his game so not as easy a read as he used to be,

Zev- Nothing to go off of.

 

seph- Strongish start but later when I read his posts they're just kinda blah.  Dont like his Calder reasoning and havent liked his catchup either.  Wanna try to go back and read him over tho.  I aint the best at reading him.

 

Penneh- Ive explained this enough I think and she's yet to do anything to change my opinion atp.  Only thing holding me back from feeling more certain is the fact she's normally Scummy af.

 

I can't hate this list, I probably trust Sili a bit more than you, and I'm still pending a better read on Penny and you (Z) both so that's going. Seph has been falling a little bit on my own list. hmmm

 

 

Likes my reads list as well.  Still says she needs to read me and Penny but hasnt and still has a Scum read on me....I dont get how this makes any sense?

 

Again the only thing youve said against me is youre not following me but you still havent even looked at me and Penny which was a large portion of the game.  It doesnt feel like you are ACTUALLY trying to read me at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

. Darthe  Town
4. Sili Quirrels- Town, I don't see how sili is mafia this game. if he is kudos
3. Zander- zander was pushing celeste on a few things I noticed, and I liked a few things he and alanna talked about. I had him as a stronger town read despite the tunnel.
10. Lizabeth- town- I would look at liz more carefully if i had time.
7. alannalynn-slight town

5. Zevrynne-derp. if caldur is mafia then town
6. Calder-meh want to lean town from a few posts. but meh
8. Clovdyx having a hard time reading him. He is down here just from poe
2. Thane Vakarian
2. Hallia  I suck at reading her- null
11. Celeste- I remember having alot of issues with her tone, and I like some of the points zander brought up.


I don't think i am ever lynching darthe sili or zander this game

 

 

Celeste: bad tone and zander makes sense

 

 

So she agrees with seph's assessment of my points against Penny. But yet you've said you havent really read me and Penny....

 

You keep agreeing with me, liking my points and my reads lists but still think Im Scum?

 

I dont think you really think Im Scum here at all Lainey.

 

 

 

 

Bold:  What didnt I clarify?  Did you ask me something specific?
 
Really like most of this post.
 
Lainey's seeing eye to eye with me on a lot of things.
 
Especailly irt to Thane and Zev both together and separately
 
Why do you find me Scummy with the 2nd Bold?.
 
Is that the only reason you find him Scummy?

My main issue with you Zander is that I'm missing pieces. I haven't read all of the exchange between you and Celeste so that leaves a huge gap in my read of you, unfortunately. It sucks that this is such a busy game or I would have gone though that in detail already but that's just how things are.

 

If I can get to the point that I'm town reading you, I'll also feel better in a Hally read by association. I haven't exactly hated her posts this game but it's something I need to look over as well

 

 

I dont really know what else to say here. 

 

I become your top Scum a bit later read but you havent even read all of my game content?

 

Lets see how this shakes out.

 

Not for now, Z. I need to reread that exchange with you two, which will have to wait until morning.

 

FYI, I will NOT be around for deadline, I have to go to a dinner tomorrow night for this stupid honor society and I have to dress up and be social and I hate it.

 

Almost 3 RL days later and this still hasnt happened.

 

I'm "caught up" but not in the sense that I've read everything, if that makes sense. If I took the time to read every post in detail and study sections of the game like I want to, I'll still be reading this damn game next year.

 

Reading the posts of the person you say you can't follow but is your top Scum read and is a large section of the game is prolly not important right?

 

 

 

Scum read on me and still states hasnt read all my content but likes mostly all the stuff she has read.

[alannalynn]

I'm basically you, just exchange feeling for thinking.

[alannalynn]

zander just needs to get to the last page and vote me. At this point, i'm a liability to town going into the later phases and right now I need to be resolved since nobody can decide what my alignment is and I'm in no mood to try anymore.

[keyholder21]

Vote Count
 
alannalynn - 5 -  Darthe, Calder, Clovdyx, Sili Quirrels, alannalynn
Celeste - 3 -  Zander, Thane Vakarian, Hallia
Sili Quirrels - 1-  Celeste
 
Not Voting: Sooh, 
 
Laine is L-1. With 10 alive, 6 to lynch.
 

[Sili Quirrels]

I'm basically you, just exchange feeling for thinking.

Usually something like that makes a big difference in how a person thinks/relates to their environment.

[Zander?]

Part4- Lainey's progression on me.

 

 

 

@Zander, you asked about Seph

 

Really goes back to my feeling earlier d1, his pushes didn't come off genuine to me and they're awkward. I think I characterized them early in the game as scum trying to overcompensate to appear town, and while i went back on that because of Darthe, it's just something that's been sitting at the back of my mind since he's dropped off a bit. That combined with his reads list that I was discussing with him last night where he has nulls and such in his WTL with the only actual scum read as Celeste, yet they were all grouped together, he just doesn't feel very consistent to me atm. Additionally, I just don't have the time to detailed look over you and Celeste at the moment and I have a gut read that Celeste is town this round.

 

You keep saying you havent looked over me and Celeste, yet you have her Town on a Gut Read and em as Scum as what im also guessing is a Gut read because you havent actually listed a reason for sussing me this game besides you cant follow me.

 

So you claim to have reads on me and Penny but you havent read all of our content and cant give substantiated reasons for thinking either?

 

That doesnt really make sense to me tbqh.

 

I'm sus of Zander but I can't back it up

 

You could try?

 

I hate that I haven't been able to read this chapter of my accounting book and finish the connect homework today, just means I wont be around tonight because I'll have to do it then.

 

Sili you're being ignored because you post too freaking much and I have a town read on you anyways. Besides, I want to focus on Zander and Celeste mainly

 

So youre ignoring Sili well you say you are but youre actually responding to him and you still havent read me and Celeste but you've got reads on both of us.

 

I'm starting to wonder if there's a connection between Penny and Lainey?

 

I don't think that's how you read Zander, tbh.

 

To some extent I want to say that Zander is scum and went after Celeste, but I don't see scum Zander continuing to push Celeste d1 and tunneling in on her when he's going up against Liza who is pronouncing her townie-ness and knows how Celeste plays better than Zander does. Seems like a battle Zander loses every time. I can see TOWN Zander tunneling in if he truly believes that Celeste is mafia, but then again I don't know if Liz mis reads Celeste in this instance, if that makes sense. In this scenario, that would make both Celeste and Zander town.

 

I think regardless that Celeste is town. I have good feels.

 

On the fence with Zander, but I really want to do this right and not mis read him again

 

Dont know what else to say here.

 

He's adapting all the time unfortunately. I'm getting to the point where it's harder and harder to read him sometimes. Especially when there are warring loud voices and so many posts in the thread from everyone.

 

Please dont take this as snarky but just as a point but you could try ISOing me imo.

 

Zander have you gone back to look at that one game... was it Warcraft? You were scum with Lenny and tunneled her that game. Do you think That Penny/Celeste is playing similarly to there or have you not looked?

 

Funny that you ask me this irt to my Penny read where you havent even read the exchange in this game.

 

You also dont comment on my response to this iirc.

 

Why ask this?

Anyways my opinion: I think Zander's tunnel on Celeste is bad and I'm not sure if that means he's town or scum. I believe Thane and Sili are town. Calder is likely town, as is Celeste.

 

That leaves Clov, Sooh, Darthe.

 

I think scum is within Zander and those three above.

 

Still Scum on nothing. Not even sure if my tunnel is Town!Zander or Scum!Zander

 

 

 

This just feels like a lasy read.

 

She's still saying she hasnt read all of me. But thinks Im scum

 

It reads to me like she's trying to through this out there and see what take.  But her fence sitting gives her an out to go either way.

 

I mean I'm her top Scum read and she hasnt even voted me all game.

[alannalynn]

I really wish Zander would come to the last page and stop blindly ISOing me. I already asked him to vote me.

[Darthe]

If laine flips town and celeste flips town I expect to hear absolutely zero crap from any of you for being a pure asshole in post game. Like, we arent even at a place where I should have to say that yet but ffs this is all just stupid.

[alannalynn]

I fully expect you to be, because that's exactly what's going to happen. Don't say I didn't warn you.

 

Basically we lynched town Seph, lynch town Alanna, lynch town Celeste. gg wolves. LOL

[alannalynn]

We're just handing it over to them. My play is bad but I'm town.