Ghostbusters Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins!

[Eldrick4221]

 

And which of claims do you believe?

 

Of the ones you don't, why?

All??? maybe not Dice? Bad juju.

 

How about you?? I get the impression that some people are trying to create doubt in the claims. I think that mafia might be feeling the PoE heat. 

 

I believe most of them all myself, which if they are all true really helps with figuring this game out.

 

Hally could be lying, cuz no doc in their right mind is gonna cc. And Tsuki was the obvious choice to say she protected.

 

Your claim is a tinfoil possibility, but I'm still convinced you're town.

 

I've recently covered why I think Dice isn't mafia post-RTE flip. I can't think of a reason for 3p Dice to claim stump, so he's probably town. Still don't like his self preservation attitude after he claimed, and that's gonna bug me til he gets resolved. If he gets resolved.

 

I'm leaning Sooh and Shad as scum by simple fact of POE. I'm bummed that I read them wrong for so long if that's the case, but it is what it is.

 

I get that you probably want to lynch me for the same reason, and honestly don't care. If you gotta have a mislynch to lock the game, I don't mind it being me.

[Eldrick4221]

 

He was earlier in the phase, though. Why didn't he explain what happened about the lynch earlier, instead of having us sit here confused?

So that you and your mafia pal Shad didn't know what town was working with quite obviously. 

 

Ignoring the stab at calling me scum. Looking at this objectively.

 

You saw how town ran in circles because the D1 lynch went unexplained, right? Why didn't you step in and resolve it so we could focus on other stuff?

[Eldrick4221]

I'm still under the impression that lynching the symp doesn't help us win. He doesn't win with us, but we could have won with him. Am I wrong here?

 

And before you try to twist this, by us I obviously mean town. Please answer this objectively without taking my alignment into the question. Cuz I am town and trying to figure this out, even if you don't believe that.

[Reyoru]

I'm sorry, that was petty. No need for us to get personal. You are a scum team member though.

I decided that keeping the role to myself was in the better interests of the town. Obviously, since I have a day role, I become an NK target in the night.

Since I knew the truth of how the lynch went down, it now gives the town more insight into which scum came up with "theories" to steer and misdirect the town.

[Reyoru]

Going back and ISOing you now Eldrick.

[Eldrick4221]

I'm sorry, that was petty. No need for us to get personal. You are a scum team member though.

 

I decided that keeping the role to myself was in the better interests of the town. Obviously, since I have a day role, I become an NK target in the night.

 

Since I knew the truth of how the lynch went down, it now gives the town more insight into which scum came up with "theories" to steer and misdirect the town.

 

I actually disagree on you being a NK target. You're only more of a threat to scum than any other towny if the runner up train is scum. And if that's the case, they are already in a bad spot.

[Eldrick4221]

Going back and ISOing you now Eldrick.

Feel free. I'd love to actually hear a case against me.

[Turin Turambar]

I'm still under the impression that lynching the symp doesn't help us win. He doesn't win with us, but we could have won with him. Am I wrong here?

 

And before you try to twist this, by us I obviously mean town. Please answer this objectively without taking my alignment into the question. Cuz I am town and trying to figure this out, even if you don't believe that.

You are WRONG. Symp wins with Mafia. They need to be lynched in order for town to win.

[Eldrick4221]

The biggest thing I've heard is that I flip-flop on my reads, but I explain my progression and haven't heard why that is scummy.

 

The other thing I've heard is that I'm easily swayed, which is true for me of either alignment.

 

I was blinded by Shad commenting on the same things I have noticed. He knows I'm easy to fool, which is why I started the game suspicious of him. It's clearly hard to keep that stance, but I'm back to it now. The fact that he notices the same thing I do isn't a reason to town read him, and now that I've realized that I'm gonna push for his lynch tomorrow.

 

 

 

I'm still under the impression that lynching the symp doesn't help us win. He doesn't win with us, but we could have won with him. Am I wrong here?

 

And before you try to twist this, by us I obviously mean town. Please answer this objectively without taking my alignment into the question. Cuz I am town and trying to figure this out, even if you don't believe that.

You are WRONG. Symp wins with Mafia. They need to be lynched in order for town to win.

 

I don't think those 2 are one in the same. Yes they win with mafia. If mafia wins, they do.

 

But are they a threat to town? Cuz if not, we aren't any closer to winning.

 

Also curious what the balance would be with a symp. 3/13 are mafia? Makes Sense to me. 3 mafia. 9 town. 1 symp.

[Eldrick4221]

Yeah ok. That works too. i was typing a post and noticed a new post, so I revealed it and replied to it.

[Eldrick4221]

I guess it doesn't really matter if he was a threat or not. He's dead. We haven't won yet. That's really all that matters.

[Turin Turambar]

 

 

 

And which of claims do you believe?

 

Of the ones you don't, why?

All??? maybe not Dice? Bad juju.

 

How about you?? I get the impression that some people are trying to create doubt in the claims. I think that mafia might be feeling the PoE heat. 

 

 

 

I believe most of them all myself, which if they are all true really helps with figuring this game out.

 

Hally could be lying, cuz no doc in their right mind is gonna cc. And Tsuki was the obvious choice to say she protected.

 

Your claim is a tinfoil possibility, but I'm still convinced you're town.

 

I've recently covered why I think Dice isn't mafia post-RTE flip. I can't think of a reason for 3p Dice to claim stump, so he's probably town. Still don't like his self preservation attitude after he claimed, and that's gonna bug me til he gets resolved. If he gets resolved.

 

I'm leaning Sooh and Shad as scum by simple fact of POE. I'm bummed that I read them wrong for so long if that's the case, but it is what it is.

 

I get that you probably want to lynch me for the same reason, and honestly don't care. If you gotta have a mislynch to lock the game, I don't mind it being me.

 

you say that you believe "most of them" and then nudge about the claimants. I have gotten the impression that you (and Shad) have been poking at all the PR claims. Just a little dig here or there. 

 

without knowing what RTE actually knew about the mafia it is impossible to say he spewed Dice clear by sussing him. It could just as easily have been a signal attempt. Dice wasn't really in much danger on D2. It was pretty much RTE all day with a late Rey push. If mafia did figure out RTE was symp then it is more likely that Rey is spewed town than Dice. And his train needs looking at. I am having a bit of concern on Alanna right now because She picked Rey over Shad while still feeling "unsure" on Shad. Her sussing felt like a distance job.

[Eldrick4221]

By the way, the reason I got all bent out of shape about you having Hally claim is that it made her a target.

 

Sure, they could have picked up that she was hinting at being the doc from her "GOATdoc strikes again", but they also very well could have missed it, or thought it was a cover.

 

The fact that you pulled the claim out of her puts her in a bad spot.

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

 

And which of claims do you believe?

 

Of the ones you don't, why?

All??? maybe not Dice? Bad juju.

 

How about you?? I get the impression that some people are trying to create doubt in the claims. I think that mafia might be feeling the PoE heat. 

 

 

 

I believe most of them all myself, which if they are all true really helps with figuring this game out.

 

Hally could be lying, cuz no doc in their right mind is gonna cc. And Tsuki was the obvious choice to say she protected.

 

Your claim is a tinfoil possibility, but I'm still convinced you're town.

 

I've recently covered why I think Dice isn't mafia post-RTE flip. I can't think of a reason for 3p Dice to claim stump, so he's probably town. Still don't like his self preservation attitude after he claimed, and that's gonna bug me til he gets resolved. If he gets resolved.

 

I'm leaning Sooh and Shad as scum by simple fact of POE. I'm bummed that I read them wrong for so long if that's the case, but it is what it is.

 

I get that you probably want to lynch me for the same reason, and honestly don't care. If you gotta have a mislynch to lock the game, I don't mind it being me.

 

you say that you believe "most of them" and then nudge about the claimants. I have gotten the impression that you (and Shad) have been poking at all the PR claims. Just a little dig here or there. 

 

without knowing what RTE actually knew about the mafia it is impossible to say he spewed Dice clear by sussing him. It could just as easily have been a signal attempt. Dice wasn't really in much danger on D2. It was pretty much RTE all day with a late Rey push. If mafia did figure out RTE was symp then it is more likely that Rey is spewed town than Dice. And his train needs looking at. I am having a bit of concern on Alanna right now because She picked Rey over Shad while still feeling "unsure" on Shad. Her sussing felt like a distance job.

 

Because the ones I didn't nudge are the ones I believe. LDO

 

Laine is so obviously town this game.

[Turin Turambar]

The biggest thing I've heard is that I flip-flop on my reads, but I explain my progression and haven't heard why that is scummy.

 

The other thing I've heard is that I'm easily swayed, which is true for me of either alignment.

 

I was blinded by Shad commenting on the same things I have noticed. He knows I'm easy to fool, which is why I started the game suspicious of him. It's clearly hard to keep that stance, but I'm back to it now. The fact that he notices the same thing I do isn't a reason to town read him, and now that I've realized that I'm gonna push for his lynch tomorrow.

 

 

 

I'm still under the impression that lynching the symp doesn't help us win. He doesn't win with us, but we could have won with him. Am I wrong here?

 

And before you try to twist this, by us I obviously mean town. Please answer this objectively without taking my alignment into the question. Cuz I am town and trying to figure this out, even if you don't believe that.

You are WRONG. Symp wins with Mafia. They need to be lynched in order for town to win.

 

I don't think those 2 are one in the same. Yes they win with mafia. If mafia wins, they do.

 

But are they a threat to town? Cuz if not, we aren't any closer to winning.

 

Also curious what the balance would be with a symp. 3/13 are mafia? Makes Sense to me. 3 mafia. 9 town. 1 symp.

Symp is a threat to town. Symp usually counts as about half a mafia member for balance. It could easily be balanced by the number of Town PRs.  Having the Governor role also makes up some for the increased percentage of mafia/town. 4/13 is still less than 33% which is the top end of standard rand. 

 

It probably also makes Dice more likely town.

[Eldrick4221]

I believe Tsuki.

 

I believe Rey.

 

I believe Dice.

 

You are obviously neighbor by Zander's flip. Tinfoil on your alignment if we run out of options.

 

I believe Hally, but tinfoil cuz easy claim. Also weird timing. Why out yourself just cuz you succeeded once?

[Turin Turambar]

So we have your shad vote for D3? 

 

If you thought that mafia misses Hallia's hints then I don't know what to say. I don't really look for hints as town but when I ISO'd her it was pretty obvious that she was hinting hard at a big PR. 

[Eldrick4221]

you say that you believe "most of them" and then nudge about the claimants. I have gotten the impression that you (and Shad) have been poking at all the PR claims. Just a little dig here or there. 

 

without knowing what RTE actually knew about the mafia it is impossible to say he spewed Dice clear by sussing him. It could just as easily have been a signal attempt. Dice wasn't really in much danger on D2. It was pretty much RTE all day with a late Rey push. If mafia did figure out RTE was symp then it is more likely that Rey is spewed town than Dice. And his train needs looking at. I am having a bit of concern on Alanna right now because She picked Rey over Shad while still feeling "unsure" on Shad. Her sussing felt like a distance job.

 

 

The alternative would be to accept claims at face value, which is just foolish.

 

Of course it's impossible to say, but IF he knew, then he spews dice clear IMO, and Shad is suspect for the no progression read change.

[Eldrick4221]

So we have your shad vote for D3? 

 

If you thought that mafia misses Hallia's hints then I don't know what to say. I don't really look for hints as town but when I ISO'd her it was pretty obvious that she was hinting hard at a big PR. 

Yes. Obviously things can change. If he suddenly becomes overwhelmingly towny and convinces a bunch of people not to vote him, then I will look elsewhere.

[Eldrick4221]

With any luck, D3 will flip mafia roleblocker and we can stop worrying about that. Not only would it confirm Tsuki's story, but he would be free to view again.

[Eldrick4221]

Worry is the wrong word. I'm more annoyed than worried.

[Eldrick4221]

Roleblocking will do that tho. If you're unsure if your action will even do anything, it's annoying.

[Turin Turambar]

 

So we have your shad vote for D3? 

 

If you thought that mafia misses Hallia's hints then I don't know what to say. I don't really look for hints as town but when I ISO'd her it was pretty obvious that she was hinting hard at a big PR. 

Yes. Obviously things can change. If he suddenly becomes overwhelmingly towny and convinces a bunch of people not to vote him, then I will look elsewhere.

 

[Sooh]

 

 

 

What I don't get is why Rey waited til right before eod to claim.

Well, according to his own posts he wasn't around.

 

Basing this on what I've read other people say about him btw.

 

He was earlier in the phase, though. Why didn't he explain what happened about the lynch earlier, instead of having us sit here confused?

 

Perhaps he just didn't want to claim. I don't know. It's a possible explanation, but if he didn't think RTE was guilty he should have probably said something then to prevent RTE being voted because of his actions at the end of D1.

[Reyoru]

Perhaps he just didn't want to claim. I don't know. It's a possible explanation, but if he didn't think RTE was guilty he should have probably said something then to prevent RTE being voted because of his actions at the end of D1.

Go back and re-read Sooh, you'll see I thought RTE was scum, and was very willing for him to be lynched.