[Basic] Bolshevik Mafia - TOWN WINS

[Sooh]

 

Unmarked quotes from Lenlo's Hallia ISO post #1280

 

 

#427 - Defends Soohs read of her by saying shes waffled on it, so its somehow ok to put Hallia in her dark green? If Hallia flips wolf take a good look at Sooh imo. Its some soft defense from each onto the other.

 

 

 

Which she has waffled on.

 

Sooh, what did you dislike?

 

This is the post in question. How is Hallia defending my read of her, and how does this mean that Hallia and I could be connected as you suggest here? Is asking me to provide reasons for my suspecting her and putting her lower in my list somehow defending her? I don't get this comment, Len.

 

To me it seems like she's prompting me to get into an explanation which she can later refute.

To me it seems like she is trying to get me to back off you, by going "Yeah its eh but its mostly good. Dont worry bout it."

Also im not linking you explicity, your not the focus of the iso/case. She is. I was going into what Hallia might be doing as a wolf in regards to you.

 

More Lenlo quotes:

 

 

 

#437 - Previously she had said Soohs read was ok, or atleast implied it, because Sooh had waffled on her. Now shes saying that even if placement doesnt mean anything its odd. Why? You seemed ok with it before.

 

 

 

 

 

Which she has waffled on.

 

Sooh, what did you dislike?

Waffling on a solid green town read is also bad. If it was a light green, or a null or something, fine. But your third highest town read? Thats questionable.

 

Yah.  Even if placement on the list didn't mean anything, it's odd.

 

Did you even read it as though she was defending my read in that initial post at the time? It looks here like you're agreeing with her that waffling is bad, which I read her initial post to mean. This seems to be consistent with this later post of Hallia's. Her later vote because of this never pinged me as a non-town Hallia.

Waffling is bad, but as I said, I think she was using it to defend you and get me to back off abit. The effort is sub-standard imo.

 

Can somebody else chime in here? What do you see when you read Hallia?

 

Again, Lenlo isn't the one being cased here. I'm just trying to see if his read changes if how he reads her posts changes.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

Here. Be back later.

 

Don't care either way on no lynch, but appreciate Eldrick's effort to get things going

 

 

I'm exhausted, in pain, and full of stress.

 

Also ready to lunch wolves

 

Can't do that with a No Lynch, Eldrick

 

:dry:

 

 

This bugged me last night, and it still is today.

 

She calls my no lynch vote an effort to get things going. It was very much a joke. Joke votes are a part of early game, and I found it weird that she thought it was serious.

 

And on top of that, she goes from not having a stance on no lynch to being against it from one post of zander's.

 

forced.

[Darthe]

It doesn't Len is stuck on this.

 

The problem with that is that him tunneling doesn't mean that he isn't right.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

I don't play much, but I always vote Hallia when we play together - just sort of a tradition.  I'd usually leave it for a bit, but we're a bit past the joke phase.

I don't have a problem with the vote itself. unless you have a reason to believe she's town already. joke votes and votes for pressure are a part of the game.

 

My issue is why you didn't leave it there. are you so sure she's town that you don't want to vote her?

 

 

 

[v]Kronos[/v]

 

Talked myself into thinking it's a scum slip. That he knows Hally's alignment, and is therefore scum.

atrocious.

[Sili Quirrels]

i dont see why the town leaders haven't majjed eldrick to be honest.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

 

Here. Be back later.

 

Don't care either way on no lynch, but appreciate Eldrick's effort to get things going

 

 

I'm exhausted, in pain, and full of stress.

 

Also ready to lunch wolves

 

Can't do that with a No Lynch, Eldrick

 

:dry:

 

 

 

This bugged me last night, and it still is today.

 

She calls my no lynch vote an effort to get things going. It was very much a joke. Joke votes are a part of early game, and I found it weird that she thought it was serious.

 

And on top of that, she goes from not having a stance on no lynch to being against it from one post of zander's.

Eldrick, how do you know what I think? I wasn't being serious lol but you know how people are about No Lynch, it always gets somebody's panties in a twist

 

And the second one obv a joke. Nice try, though.

 

I'm trying to find out if your eagerness, irt me and Kronos in particular, is a good thing or not.

 

#130 Zander, re: your "note" about my entrance. What up, Z?

 

Alanna is prob a town. I use the logic that I find her wolfy and I suck at reading her. Discuss.

lololol you do suck at reading me :biggrin:

 

lynn v.

[Calder]

 

 

 

 

I would like to refute the concept that gut reading = not having to provide substance to back your actions.

 

It does not.

 

Your right. And when they can be I do. When its gut and POE though that is all it is. Regardless, my point is that manbat doesnt do that. So his behavior is odd.

We have over 90 pages of content..

We have 90 pages - on that we agree. Low content game.

I'm not saying it's valuable but it is content.  Certainly enough for you to develop substantial opinions on most players.  BFG, for example, has over 120 posts in the game and has been one of the more content driven posters in the game.  

 

If you can't create a case that displays your points with her then you're frankly lying.

I can search for the posts that read to me as not genuine, but not from my phone. Home in 2 hours. If you dont think Bfg can generate content as scum though than I think your insulting her.

[Sooh]

 

 

Here. Be back later.

 

Don't care either way on no lynch, but appreciate Eldrick's effort to get things going

 

 

I'm exhausted, in pain, and full of stress.

 

Also ready to lunch wolves

 

Can't do that with a No Lynch, Eldrick

 

:dry:

 

 

This bugged me last night, and it still is today.

 

She calls my no lynch vote an effort to get things going. It was very much a joke. Joke votes are a part of early game, and I found it weird that she thought it was serious.

 

And on top of that, she goes from not having a stance on no lynch to being against it from one post of zander's.

 

forced.

 

Hallia and Eldrick both made this observation. Did you see that?

[Darthe]

i dont see why the town leaders haven't majjed eldrick to be honest.

concerns to push him because his seer stuff looks so real, also this is like his 3rd or 4th game right?  He looked like a really clueless new townie D1.

[Sili Quirrels]

Eldrick is right that the vote and then Unvote is all sorts of strange. He is incorrect that it is a scum slip even if Kronos is scum.

 

That said, all of you jumping on him for doing it is basically pot -> kettle

*frowns at monster*

[Darthe]

 

 

 

 

 

I would like to refute the concept that gut reading = not having to provide substance to back your actions.

 

It does not.

Your right. And when they can be I do. When its gut and POE though that is all it is. Regardless, my point is that manbat doesnt do that. So his behavior is odd.

We have over 90 pages of content..

We have 90 pages - on that we agree. Low content game.

I'm not saying it's valuable but it is content.  Certainly enough for you to develop substantial opinions on most players.  BFG, for example, has over 120 posts in the game and has been one of the more content driven posters in the game.  

 

If you can't create a case that displays your points with her then you're frankly lying.

I can search for the posts that read to me as not genuine, but not from my phone. Home in 2 hours. If you dont think Bfg can generate content as scum though than I think your insulting her.

 

I'm sure she can.  I value you summarily ripping that apart more than i value "just go with it cause gut".  This is a team game, I can't see your gut.  

[Sili Quirrels]

no eldrick is a wolf. fairly obvious what he was doing early day 1.

[Calder]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Manbat is still around I see. Telling people to lynch me, which I respect, with no reasoning provided ever which he doesnt do. So its spite?

 

So you have reasoning for voting me? :)

No. Not at all. But, I have always been a gut reader. Manbat isnt. He spews out his reasons and tries to show his thought process. He only did it once with me and his post didnt make any sense.

So AOL is atypical of your town game?

I dont think I have typical scum or town games. I make arbitrary pre-game decisions on how I will act in any game pre-alignment check and stick to them to screw with meta readers.

Example:

1. Claim scum or town?

2. Do lists or refuse?

3. Lock onto someone or be open to reads?

Still try but mess with it bc it helps me and spices up mafia.

Why would you make those pre-game?

Because it is the only way its effective. Meta works despite people trying to fight it, bc subconciously we act differently in different situations and with different motives.

By making my decisions on everything from playfulness to hunting style before my role PM comes in I eliminate the possibility of my subconcious overriding my plan with new motivations.

I disagree, on the premise that meta is based around your learned behaviors that work in this game and your personality which is generally immaleable.

Agree to disagree. Bc in my experience who we are as people is ever fluctuating and can be twisted in any direction temporarily.

[Lenlo]

i dont see why the town leaders haven't majjed eldrick to be honest.

Ive been wanting to lynch him since D1.

 

 

i dont see why the town leaders haven't majjed eldrick to be honest.

concerns to push him because his seer stuff looks so real, also this is like his 3rd or 4th game right?  He looked like a really clueless new townie D1.

 

Its not his 3rd or 4th, pretty sure its more

[Sili Quirrels]

it is what he does whenever he wants to push someone: makes up a reason. The reason to vote Kronos was to misinterpret his post pretty blatantly. His reason for throwing shade on lynn was cause she made a joke  that might not be a joke, therefore it is wolfy? this is nonsense. this is not a newbie villager's game. this is common reading comprehension.

[Sili Quirrels]

manbat should know better.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

Meh.gif

 

I'll give you a little of the botd but in my experience scum are always the ones that go "this is what you get, deal with it"

 

*the frown deepens*

[Calder]

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would like to refute the concept that gut reading = not having to provide substance to back your actions.

 

It does not.

 

Your right. And when they can be I do. When its gut and POE though that is all it is. Regardless, my point is that manbat doesnt do that. So his behavior is odd.

We have over 90 pages of content..

We have 90 pages - on that we agree. Low content game.

I'm not saying it's valuable but it is content.  Certainly enough for you to develop substantial opinions on most players.  BFG, for example, has over 120 posts in the game and has been one of the more content driven posters in the game.  

 

If you can't create a case that displays your points with her then you're frankly lying.

I can search for the posts that read to me as not genuine, but not from my phone. Home in 2 hours. If you dont think Bfg can generate content as scum though than I think your insulting her.

I'm sure she can.  I value you summarily ripping that apart more than i value "just go with it cause gut".  This is a team game, I can't see your gut.

Your right that gut should be supported and has to most of the time. I am trying to fight my laziness as I am 35 pages behind in my other game.

 

I am not quite sure why I completely left Laine off the suspect list. Prob null but great job getting her name completely out of the entire conversation.

[Sili Quirrels]

To be fair I think that Eldrick does enough goof voting at the beginning of games to where I don't see the massive importance of that one post, but at the same time I can't clear him, so if this is what he does as scum I'm sure he has learned right now never to do it again

 

By all means though, keep pushing there. Eldrick is not my fake peek.

v ~ maybe.

[Sili Quirrels]

Pausing for a moment.

 

1. Darthe
3. Sooh
4. Calder
5. Lenlo
6. Hallia
7. NotBob Manbat
10. Laine
11. Eldrick
12. Thane
13. BFG

[Sili Quirrels]

hard to focus on bfg since her posts are very structured. will have to iso just her at some point. manbat is difficult to get a handle on, so i will do that later. going to focus on calder, eldrick, and thane for now.

[Sili Quirrels]

and hallia of course.

[Shad_]

What nationality are people from space considered

1961 NEVER FORGET

 

[Sooh]

The thing about the Hallia case at the moment is that it's not really convincing. Sure, reading only Lenlo's ISO is very condemning for her, but that is very colored by his view of her. Reading her ISO I have a couple of minor issues, but nothing that I would call glaring. What stands out the most is probably her lack of substance in defending herself. I would love for Hallia to come online and discuss a few people with me or anyone. 

[Sili Quirrels]

I could see Eldricks post about it being "interesting that I said everyone was never w/w" as a wolfy soft push, I just had him as villagery for his carefree jokey attitude

 

If he's capable of that as a wolf then my read could be wrong

he is obviously capable of it. jokey posts are not difficult to make.