[Basic] Bolshevik Mafia - TOWN WINS

[Eldrick4221]

 

The concept behind me thinking it was TMI was based on that he didn't want to leave the vote on her to see what reaction the vote would bring. To me, the most likely reason for that was he already knew her alignment.

 

I get that it's a weak reason, but it was a gut feeling thing.

You mean Hallia's reaction? Or other people's? If you are meaning Hallia's then I don't really get what you are getting at. I could possibly see if he was fishing for other reactions but not really feeling that was what happened.

 

I did mean Hally's.

 

Reaction votes are typically the reaction of the person you're voting, to see how they deal with the pressure. My point was that he didn't put the pressure on her.

[BFG]

I liked Kronos's early engagement in thread, the drop off in activity makes it hard to maintain that read. I obviously disagree with Darthe that asking people to explain votes is 'bad' but it does tend to be alignment neutral.

 

Thane is just not here. He said in signups that he'd be low activity, and given RL I'm inclined to say it's null. His popin yesterday wasn't great, he'd apparently read the thread, but said nothing.

[Eldrick4221]

I still have 7 hours of my shift left. I'll get back to this later. but I gotta take a break,

 

Eyesight equivalent of in one ear and out the other going on.

[Turin Turambar]

Eldrick, I didn't read it as any sort of pressure / reaction test vote. more of a "hello" vote. Now if one of them flips mafia (more likely Hallia IMO at this point) then it might be indicative but only really as a w/w situation.  

 

My point about the peeks is that if you really believe your own "peek" then you have to doubt the sincerity of any one else's. It looks to me like she was trying to use that you BOTH peeked Z as town to be supportive of each other. It just doesn't make sense to me. 

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

I've narrowed my suspects to

 

3. Sooh

4. Calder

5. Lenlo

6. Hallia

7. NotBob

8. Kronos

9. Turin

10. Laine

11. Eldrick

12. Thane

13. BFG

Ive narrowed my suspects to:

Zander.

Len is town, good to have you friend

 

I sense that sooh is as well, but my senses have betrayed me before. Like my vision. Damn you hindsight!

 

 

What about this made you think Lenlo is town? I don't get it.

[Turin Turambar]

I tried to spoiler out some of the unneeded stuff in Hallia's ISO re Darthe and it came out illegible. I now understand haw Alanna didn't want to read those things.  I will  try again I guess. 

[Eldrick4221]

Eldrick, I didn't read it as any sort of pressure / reaction test vote. more of a "hello" vote. Now if one of them flips mafia (more likely Hallia IMO at this point) then it might be indicative but only really as a w/w situation.  

 

My point about the peeks is that if you really believe your own "peek" then you have to doubt the sincerity of any one else's. It looks to me like she was trying to use that you BOTH peeked Z as town to be supportive of each other. It just doesn't make sense to me. 

 

I'm not saying that I still feel that way. I don't. I'm just explaining what my reason was.

 

I see what you're saying about the peek thing, but I wouldn't publicly act like I don't believe them. Cuz the whole point of the peeks is to fool the scum. What she did makes sense to me cuz it's still successful in that regard.

[Eldrick4221]

So my reread has stopped gleaning information. That was the point of my earlier post. I'm obviously still here to talk to.

[Sooh]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe Sooh too, but we'Lloyd see on that one

I am playing, but I'm intensely disliking this situation.

 

On one hand I feel like Zander's posts have been scummy. 

 

On the other I feel mean if I vote him considering RL stuff. And yet again I know I shouldn't take that into account, but it's really hard not to. I'm stuck trying to find an alternative to a Zander-lynch, and I don't know where to point my finger yet. I have Zander on the bottom, and the next over him is my null/no information tier. I just don't know yet.

 

I can't clear Darthe, but I think he is showing more his town side than not.

 

I can't clear Laine.

 

I can't clear Calder.

 

I have town feels about Lenlo, based on what I've seen so far and his willingness to solve.

 

Turin is town.

 

Monstr feels town. He rolls with whatever happens in the thread and says what's in his head. 

 

Eldrick is perhaps the lowest in my reads except for Zander. I felt his vote on me was unsubstantiated and I kind of feel the same about his vote on Darthe. If he's town I can't see it right now. 

 

I can't clear BFG. 

 

I believe Hallia is town.

 

 

 

Sooh are you caught up?

 

What do you think of my entry?

 

Dont use that to evaluate me, I freaked out like a tool and I prollt should not have but DONT use that as the only reason to not vote me. 

 

Give me your updated thoughts please.

 

 

 

I am not ready to vote you if that's what you mean. Your posts have been better since you came back. I may need a peek to clear you completely this game though.

 

Off to work. Later guys.

 

 

 

Fair enough.

 

When you get the chance please comment on some of the things I said if you dont mind.

 

I may not get the chance before end of phase. I have 15 mins for lunch, and that's about it before EOD.

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

To be fair I think that Eldrick does enough goof voting at the beginning of games to where I don't see the massive importance of that one post, but at the same time I can't clear him, so if this is what he does as scum I'm sure he has learned right now never to do it again

 

By all means though, keep pushing there. Eldrick is not my fake peek.

Calling your peek fake kinda ruins the point of the peek.

 

Lenlo - This is on about the same grounds for why I didn't like your post.  I pretty much points out that your peek was fake, thus negating people out of the seer pool.

 

 

I point out that I don't like Sooh calling her peek fake. Hally replies to this telling Lenlo that this is why she didn't like his post.

 

 

 

 

 

I only noticed it the one time. It is only because he was mafia and I let him off that I really remember it.

 

Of all the games I have read I don't recall it happening any other time.

And that makes me scum now for doing something similar again?

 

It was a play on words, which was my theme yesterday, just like voting the no lynch concept.

Possibly.

 

I don't know your theme for posting. Frankly, it is easy to say that after the fact.

 

Your tone here sounds a bit snarky, in a bad way.

 

Didn't read as snarky to me.

 

 

Replies to Turin calling my post snarky that she didn't think it was.

 

 

 

 

Oh and yes Z I was and am serious.

 

What does that make you think of me?

 

Youre trending down tbqh.

 

That being said, Im not great at reading you.

 

Im all about Meta, I get that but one of your scum tells I got from our time ttme together in the Minority Villa, is weak pushes/cases on Townies.

 

Do you see why this concerns me?

 

Not a horrible point.

 

 

Zander tells Turin that he's trending down, but points out that he's not great at reading him.

Points out that he's all about meta, and that a meta he has on Turin is weak pushes/cases on townies.

Hally agrees with this point.

 

 

 

 

 

Oh and yes Z I was and am serious.

 

What does that make you think of me?

Youre trending down tbqh.

 

That being said, Im not great at reading you.

 

Im all about Meta, I get that but one of your scum tells I got from our time ttme together in the Minority Villa, is weak pushes/cases on Townies.

 

Do you see why this concerns me?

What does your pile of meta on me tell you about me taking something that others would not notice and voting/pressuring that person over it?

 

How am I "pushing" anything on Eldrick at the moment? All I have been doing is answering questions regarding my vote. I'm not even voting him at this time.

 

No. Actually I don't see why this is bothering you. You claim that you don't read me well but you seem to be willing to make a big stretch to paint me as mafia or at least very suspicious.

 

I feel like you're pushing him. 

 

 

Turin responded to Zander about the weak pushes/cases meta. Asked how he was "pushing" anything on me.

Hally responds to this by saying she thinks he's pushing.

 

 

 

@Eldrick - Kronos already said that the vote was a joke, and I don't think it was meant as any sort of pressure or reaction test. I don't know if unvoting so quickly is something he does often, he didn't in either of the games I remember playing with him (both alignments).

 

Fwiw his participation this game so far is far higher than either of his previous games, and I think his content is pretty good so far.

 

Darthe's playing tactically and I can't call it one way or another yet.

Hi BFG

 

 

Hally says hi to BFG

 

 

 

Turin likely town

Why?

 

 

Asking BFG why she thinks Turin is likely town.

 

 

 

 

 

Hey Thane :) I was going to use my work printer but I didn't have everything I needed while I was there and forgot the portion I DID have haha.

 

What are your thoughts on No Lynch?

This is probably a good look for Laine. She's engaging Thane in game related conversation. Reservations in that No lynch tends to be alignment neutral in terms of stances, but there's not much else to really dig into. I don't recall anything yet from later game that bolsters this opinion though

 

How do you get that determination from that post?  Do you award points for merely being responsive?  Is this meta?  

 

 

 

 

I just want to take a moment and say I'M ALIVE!!!!

 

Ok, back to regular programming. 

Yo, soulread me if you can.  I wanna know if you can even get 1 in 3.

 

 

 

Anddddd for the above.

 

This reads like grumpygus mafia Derf, just like in SPooooOOookytown.

 

Vote: Darthe

 

 

Case on Darthe. Weak one tbh. Point out a couple posts, and calls him "grumpygus mafia Derf"

I agree with her on the read, not on the reasoning.

 

Spoilered and summarized for your reading pleasure.

 

After going over this again, my read on Hally took a serious drop. I see a lot of similarities here that were also in her Minions game.

[Sooh]

Eldrick, if you're still here, can you discuss your vote on me earlier? What was your basis for that and has it changed?  

[Turin Turambar]

Again it failed due to excess quotes. i give up on it. you can look at hallia's ISO and determine in for yourself if she has a valid mafia read on Darthe. I don't see it. I don't see her Sooh vote as legit either. It seemed to come out of nothing and vanished again after very little response from Sooh.

 

In short...

 

. 

 

 

 

maybe not so much

 

 

[Turin Turambar]

Eldrick, can you give us your reasoning for thinking Darthe is mafia.

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

Up through page 11

IMO simplest explanation is Easter, but it's worth digging in a bit here because the seer talk is getting contrived.  [v] turin [/v]

Why?

 

Here. Be back later.

Don't care either way on no lynch, but appreciate Eldrick's effort to get things going

 

 

I'm exhausted, in pain, and full of stress.

Also ready to lunch wolves

Can't do that with a No Lynch, Eldrick

:dry:

 

 

This bugged me last night, and it still is today.

 

She calls my no lynch vote an effort to get things going. It was very much a joke. Joke votes are a part of early game, and I found it weird that she thought it was serious.

 

And on top of that, she goes from not having a stance on no lynch to being against it from one post of zander's.

 

Glad to see I wasn't the only one to notice.

 

 

Here. Be back later.

Don't care either way on no lynch, but appreciate Eldrick's effort to get things going

 

 

I'm exhausted, in pain, and full of stress.

Also ready to lunch wolves

Can't do that with a No Lynch, Eldrick

:dry:

 

 

This bugged me last night, and it still is today.

 

She calls my no lynch vote an effort to get things going. It was very much a joke. Joke votes are a part of early game, and I found it weird that she thought it was serious.

 

And on top of that, she goes from not having a stance on no lynch to being against it from one post of zander's.

 

 

I dont know if this is actually something important or not.

 

But Ive made note of her intro as well.

 

Same as above.

Alanna is prob a town. I use the logic that I find her wolfy and I suck at reading her. Discuss.

Dislike.

You vote, and then immediately unvote her a minute later?

 

What was the point of that?

That's just Wolf and I.

[v]Kronos[/v]

 

Talked myself into thinking it's a scum slip. That he knows Hally's alignment, and is therefore scum.

I think you're barking up the wrong tree.

I'm more interested in Turin and Darthe's votes at this time.

Why?

 

That said I've still read nothing and now I will be going to bed

BUT BE VERY AFRAID

 

 

So SpooOOkkKKKyyyyyyy

 

.....wait wrong game....

 

lolololololololol

 

SPOOKYDOODLERS

 

 

 

Here. Be back later.

Don't care either way on no lynch, but appreciate Eldrick's effort to get things going

 

 

I'm exhausted, in pain, and full of stress.

Also ready to lunch wolves

Can't do that with a No Lynch, Eldrick

:dry:

 

 

 

This bugged me last night, and it still is today.

 

She calls my no lynch vote an effort to get things going. It was very much a joke. Joke votes are a part of early game, and I found it weird that she thought it was serious.

 

And on top of that, she goes from not having a stance on no lynch to being against it from one post of zander's.

Eldrick, how do you know what I think? I wasn't being serious lol but you know how people are about No Lynch, it always gets somebody's panties in a twist

And the second one obv a joke. Nice try, though.

 

I'm trying to find out if your eagerness, irt me and Kronos in particular, is a good thing or not.

 

#130 Zander, re: your "note" about my entrance. What up, Z?

This reads awfully defensive to me.

 

 

Quick list:

 

Turin

 

Zander

Hallia

Darthe

Lenlo

 

Monstr

Eldrick

 

Everyone else

 

 

 

So when I voted you, I hadn't personally checked to see the information you were basing your read on. I went by what BFG posted, and THAT didn't make sense for a green read.

 

You commented that it was based on the catchup post she did.

 

I just now got around to checking that. Sorry it took so long. I can see why you had the read of her from that post.

[Turin Turambar]

MODS, is there any chance we could get a listing of the Vote Counts for later comparison? 

 

 

Yes. In Soviet Russia counts vote you...  

[Eldrick4221]

Eldrick, can you give us your reasoning for thinking Darthe is mafia.

 

I have already done so.

 

I don't like his case on Zander. I think it's for weak reasons and he expects us to go with him on them.

He claims to also have reasons for Laine to be scum, but I don't recall him mentioning them, even after I specifically commented on that.

And this combined with the idea that we should vote between the 2 because they are scumreading each other. It feels to me like trying to push a mislynch. If Darthe is scum Zander and Laine have a good chance of being v/v.

[Turin Turambar]

Hallia, I dont see at all why my asking how Seer Cover works says my peek is fake. I also dont understand why its bad, considering in an open game like this, from what I was taught, protecting the seer is very very important.

 

Quick list:

 

Turin

 

Zander

Hallia

Darthe

Lenlo

 

Monstr

Eldrick

 

Everyone else

IO dont understand how you can have such a strong read of Hallia at this point

Len, what is it that you are thinking about her Hallia read? In short you think they are w/w? or Sooh is mafia and Hallia town? 

 

 

Which she has waffled on.

 

Sooh, what did you dislike?

Your progression on Darthe mainly is what I disagree with right now. I don't see what you see, therefore I would like to hold off on clearing you too much just yet.

 

Did this post change your opinion? I just went thru Hallia re Darthe and I don't see the lightbulb of how Darthe is mafia in Hallia's posts.

 

So, in short I can see how Sooh would have downgraded Hallia after her Darthe vote.  

[Turin Turambar]

 

Eldrick, can you give us your reasoning for thinking Darthe is mafia.

 

I have already done so.

 

I don't like his case on Zander. I think it's for weak reasons and he expects us to go with him on them.

He claims to also have reasons for Laine to be scum, but I don't recall him mentioning them, even after I specifically commented on that.

And this combined with the idea that we should vote between the 2 because they are scumreading each other. It feels to me like trying to push a mislynch. If Darthe is scum Zander and Laine have a good chance of being v/v.

 

Well as I think Z is more likely than not mafia I can see how Darthe gets there. I see the thought process he described in that people that are saying each other are mafia but not really working at lynching the other and ending up other places is a mafia tactic. 

 

What if Darthe is town? What does that do to your Z and Alanna reads?

[Eldrick4221]

Well my reads on Zander and Laine aren't dependent on Darthe being scum to begin with, so him being town wouldn't affect that.

[Turin Turambar]

Then why even mention them in regard to a Darthe mafia flip? 

 

Do you have them both as town presently? 

[Eldrick4221]

Then why even mention them in regard to a Darthe mafia flip? 

 

Do you have them both as town presently? 

 

I have Zander as town.

 

I haven't really gotten a read on Laine yet. She had a tough start with the busy RL and the failed test. I haven't seen anything from her that felt scummy to me. I'm annoyed that Darthe won't say the reasons he saw. I have her as null. If Darthe flips town, my read of her would still be null.

[Eldrick4221]

Then why even mention them in regard to a Darthe mafia flip? 

 

Do you have them both as town presently? 

 

Because IF Darthe is scum, I don't see him including a teammate in the "you should vote one of these because they are scumreading each other". That's why I said they would be v/v

[Eldrick4221]

What are the points against Zander that you agree with?

[Turin Turambar]

 

Then why even mention them in regard to a Darthe mafia flip? 

 

Do you have them both as town presently? 

 

Because IF Darthe is scum, I don't see him including a teammate in the "you should vote one of these because they are scumreading each other". That's why I said they would be v/v

 

You don't know Darthe then.

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

Then why even mention them in regard to a Darthe mafia flip? 

 

Do you have them both as town presently? 

 

Because IF Darthe is scum, I don't see him including a teammate in the "you should vote one of these because they are scumreading each other". That's why I said they would be v/v

 

You don't know Darthe then.

 

I never claimed to. That was my reason for saying it. If it's a bad reason for thinking that, thank you for clearing that up.