[Basic]: Friends Mafia

[Shad_]

 

He defends himself against some of my issues with him and then calls me scummy for raising them, but doesn't explain what's scummy about them.

Clearly saying there are other reasons. Ones you obviously never mentioned.

 

 

 

 

 

He defends himself against some of my issues with him and then calls me scummy for raising them, but doesn't explain what's scummy about them.

Clearly saying there are other reasons. Ones you obviously never mentioned.

 

Which ftr is my issue. Not the reasons you stated. The ones you implied, but kept to yourself.

 

???????????? I specifically went through my own posts and quoted ones for you. Sorry if you are struggling to make up a good response, but they are there.

[Shad_]

[v]Shad [/v]

 

Congratulations on not changing my view of you at all.

 

You still have yet to address my issues with you. Instead you call them misrepping.

lolololololololol

[Shad_]

 

 

Ok. I'm going to address some of the points from memory. Any misrep is unintentional, but feel free to prove how it's wrong.

 

Your vote on lily broke the 3 way tie. A few pages back was your reads list naming Hally and thane as null, Thane was listed higher than thane on that list. Below them was lily and me.

 

Between that reads list and your vote, you didn't mention a change in your view of Hally or thane, meaning they were still equal footing as null.

 

Why we're you willing to vote thane, but not hally?

Anyone capable of using the search function can see that this is a straight-up lie. You can scum better than this, Eldrick.

 

Well I can't. My phone is updating and I'm on mobile.

 

What changed you view on either of them between the reads list and your vote? Because I didn't see it.

 

Thane claiming VT and then pointing fingers at people for claiming VT a few pages later would be the biggest thing, mate.

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

He had Thane and Hally both as null, but he's willing to lynch Thane, and not Hally?

-_- [v]Eldrick[/v]

How is this vote worthy? It is a legitimate concern at noticing you distancing from Hally.

Town typically don't cherry pick posts that serve their agenda and ignore everything in between.

What am I ignoring? I touched on the other stuff too. This just happens to be my biggest reason for thinking you guys are scum mates. Her cop claim muddles this, but it still looks like distancing.

[Shad_]

 

 

You said that there were several pings that made you think I was scummy. I found the 3 that you mentioned and addressed them. I got the feeling there were more than those 3.

 

Was there anything else?

Try the ones I quoted two pages ago when I said "you can start by explaining why the posts in spoiler do not constitute explanations."

 

Those are the same 3 I already covered.

 

No. They aren't. Do you need me to restate them for you? I'm not sure how I can be more explicit than I already was.

[Shad_]

 

 

 

 

He had Thane and Hally both as null, but he's willing to lynch Thane, and not Hally?

-_- [v]Eldrick[/v]

 

How is this vote worthy? It is a legitimate concern at noticing you distancing from Hally.

 

Town typically don't cherry pick posts that serve their agenda and ignore everything in between.

 

What am I ignoring? I touched on the other stuff too. This just happens to be my biggest reason for thinking you guys are scum mates. Her cop claim muddles this, but it still looks like distancing.

 

I just answered this. If you can't search posts why are you just taking it for granted that I had nothing to say about Thane after my reads list?

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

He defends himself against some of my issues with him and then calls me scummy for raising them, but doesn't explain what's scummy about them.

Clearly saying there are other reasons. Ones you obviously never mentioned.

 

 

 

He defends himself against some of my issues with him and then calls me scummy for raising them, but doesn't explain what's scummy about them.

Clearly saying there are other reasons. Ones you obviously never mentioned.

Which ftr is my issue. Not the reasons you stated. The ones you implied, but kept to yourself.

???????????? I specifically went through my own posts and quoted ones for you. Sorry if you are struggling to make up a good response, but they are there.

They are literally the points I covered. You say those are "some" of the reasons.

[Shad_]

THEY ARE NOT THE POINTS YOU COVERED

 

Jesus Christ

 

Can we please lynch Eldrick?

[Eldrick4221]

You did just answer it. I didn't read that post yet before I replied.

 

I will take that into consideration. I have to go to work now.

[Eldrick4221]

They literally are.

 

I covered the 3 pings you had about me. How I deal with suspicion (which was both about you and about sooh). How I handled the early train on Thane (Turin's vote vs Zander GND train), and why I said I did about lynching thane.

 

Those are the 3 things I already covered. The VERY SAME things you spoliered.

[Shad_]

You can "take it into consideration" all you want. Towns don't sling accusations first and check to see if they actually happened afterwards.

 

Sorry you randed scum bro. Feel free to cough up your partner.

[Shad_]

They literally are.

 

I covered the 3 pings you had about me. How I deal with suspicion (which was both about you and about sooh). How I handled the early train on Thane (Turin's vote vs Zander GND train), and why I said I did about lynching thane.

 

Those are the 3 things I already covered. The VERY SAME things you spoliered.

Nope, try again. I offered to reword them for you if you found them confusing, but you aren't interested. It's ok, I can understand scum not wanting to get outed further than you already are. Take a deep breath. This will all be over soon.

[Shad_]

Yay, Ollie fell asleep early. Time to pull up your ISO and plug this all together.

[Eldrick4221]

You can "take it into consideration" all you want. Towns don't sling accusations first and check to see if they actually happened afterwards.

 

Sorry you randed scum bro. Feel free to cough up your partner.

It changes why you were more willing to vote thane, not why Hally wasn't on your wtl.

[Eldrick4221]

 

They literally are.

 

I covered the 3 pings you had about me. How I deal with suspicion (which was both about you and about sooh). How I handled the early train on Thane (Turin's vote vs Zander GND train), and why I said I did about lynching thane.

 

Those are the 3 things I already covered. The VERY SAME things you spoliered.

Nope, try again. I offered to reword them for you if you found them confusing, but you aren't interested. It's ok, I can understand scum not wanting to get outed further than you already are. Take a deep breath. This will all be over soon.

I didn't find them confusing. I ALREADY ADDRESSED THEM.

 

Do you read my posts?

[Shad_]

 

You can "take it into consideration" all you want. Towns don't sling accusations first and check to see if they actually happened afterwards.

 

Sorry you randed scum bro. Feel free to cough up your partner.

It changes why you were more willing to vote thane, not why Hally wasn't on your wtl.

 

Why should I have wanted to lynch null Hallia over my scum reads?

[Eldrick4221]

Work in 24 mins. Time to eat and then head in. I'll be back later tonight.

[Shad_]

 

 

They literally are.

 

I covered the 3 pings you had about me. How I deal with suspicion (which was both about you and about sooh). How I handled the early train on Thane (Turin's vote vs Zander GND train), and why I said I did about lynching thane.

 

Those are the 3 things I already covered. The VERY SAME things you spoliered.

Nope, try again. I offered to reword them for you if you found them confusing, but you aren't interested. It's ok, I can understand scum not wanting to get outed further than you already are. Take a deep breath. This will all be over soon.

 

I didn't find them confusing. I ALREADY ADDRESSED THEM.

 

Do you read my posts?

 

Pull up my posts. Highlight each concern that I expressed, and quote yourself addressing it. If this is physically possible, I will reconsider.

[Shad_]

Pulled it up again. I commented on two things there that you didn't mention at all:

 

You voted Sooh for something she didn't do yet, on the grounds that she might do it and doing it would be scummy. (Participating in a lynch with a joke vote.) I have only seen scum make this time of argument.

 

You voted Hallia on the grounds that her only reason for voting Lily was Lily's unvote, which came after the fact, but that wasn't what Hallia said. She said "for her gameplay". Instead of asking her to elaborate, you ignored it and voted her on the grounds of a slip.

[Hallia]

On my way home from work now

[Shad_]

And these happen to be the two biggest issues in the pack: drawing negative attention for things that have never happened and ignoring things that have to justify your votes.

[Hallia]

Kk Catching up

[Hallia]

With all the back and forth with Shad and Eld, I think that one of them is likely scum.

[Shad_]

Partial Eldrick ISO

 

#22 -- votes Turin for putting a player at two votes really early.  ~~Already noted, Eldrick wasn't bothered by this as town in the past.

#24 -- warns that I might make excuses to be inactive when I drunkposted that I might have a headache in the morning ~~Doesn't find it scummy, so why draw negative attention to it?

#29 -- says Turin's reason for voting Thane is 'crap'

#30 -- calls Turin's vote on him omgus

#96 -- "Someone pointed out that 2 votes matter when there's only 9 people (5 to lynch) and that is why I reacted so strongly to there already being 2 votes on someone." ~~This wasn't pointed out until after Eldrick's reaction

#104 -- Says he's not trying to avoid attention ~~fair enough

#105 -- Mentions that 2 votes can be enough to secure a lynch in hybrid hammer.  ~~But only at deadline, so how is this relevant to concerns about scum speed lynching Thane?

#108 -- Says Sooh would look bad if Thane got lynched while her joke vote was still sitting there, but that's not the current situation.  ~~Agreed.  Doesn't this run entirely counter to why he voted her though?

#111 -- Suspicious of Sooh for mentioning her intention to remove her vote but not actually unvoting.  ~~This reads ok by itself, but Sooh specifically said she would have unvoted/moved <i>if an actual Thane wagon had picked up</i>.  At the time Sooh was the only person voting Thane.  Eldrick's accusation doesn't reflect what actually happened.

#116 -- "I'm fine with having an instinctual feel from a post, even if it's wrong. But you commented on me trying to not get attention, which is very much not true. I am out there and pressuring and prodding. How is anything I did "trying to not get attention"  I don't like that you can't explain that. Feels like you're going after the "scummy player" without being able to back up your reasoning."  ~~This actually seems like a townie thing to say.

#119 -- Sooh correctly pointed out that Thane didn't have votes on him, reiterated that she wouldn't leave a joke vote sitting on a player with a real train but Thane doesn't have one and she isn't ready to cast a serious vote yet.  Eldrick calls this scummy because the player she's joke voting could get lynched before she gets around to unvoting.  Votes Sooh.  ~~This contradicts #108, and it's a matter of sussing someone for scummy things they might do rather than what has actually happened.

#123 -- irt the possibility that I might lurk, says calling me out for it before I do it "brings other people's attention to my viewpoint".  ~~?? I still don't understand what this 'viewpoint' is.  It's casting shade on someone for an event that never happened.

#130 -- I asked as much, he explained that his viewpoint was that I would make excuses to lurk.

#133 -- Clarifies on question that he considers me null.

#134 -- Explains to Lily that people get scum read of inactivity and should be preemptively prodded to make sure that doesn't happen.  ~~At this point I took Eldrick to be saying something like 'I think Shad will lurk regardless of his alignment and I'm taking action to prevent that', which is weird but null.

#139 ~~ A number of brief comments, I'm generally ok with this post.  The one issue I had with it initially he clarified as a misunderstanding.

#142 -- irt #134, I mentioned my comment there, he corrected it.  Says he was looking for things that might indicate that I am scum, and making a statement that I could use as an excuse to lurk is one of them.  Reiterates that he's null on me.  ~~This doesn't make coherent sense.  He either finds it scummy, or he doesn't.  It reads like calling me null to get me off his back while still casting shade on me.

#144 -- Feels that Lily's "It isn't because he already has votes" comment is an overstatement, thinks this is more likely to come from scum.  ~~Reasonable.

#151 -- irt Sooh says he doesn't look at other games or trust what people say about their own meta.  Doesn't like that Sooh doesn't see the issue of leaving joke votes on people.  ~~I know very few people who will actually make a point of unvoting joke votes before casting a serious one--I think unvotes of that sort come more often from nervous scum tbh--but this post is null.

#153 -- Doesn't care if he's the D1 lynch because it will give town leads. ~~Null

#158 -- Turin asks Eldrick why he thinks his vote on Thane is crap.  Eldrick says he doesn't remember why, thinks he missed the spoilered text containing the 'slip' and Turin might be on to something about Thane now.  ~~I'm not sure what to make of this reversal.  Unless Eldrick and Turin are w/w distancing hard out the gate, it would be pretty... random? for scum!Eldrick to switch from Turin to Thane at this point.  Might be something to reassess if Eldrick flips scum.

#159 -- Acknowledges that Sooh might not unvote her joke votes as town, doesn't know/isn't going to check, says he doesn't normally pay attention to how long people maintain their joke votes.  Says "it's clear to me now that it's just an issue with differing playstyles", calls it scummy anyway.  ~~Doesn't make sense.  Similar to #142--he's basically calling everything about it null and then concluding that it's scummy/vote-worthy.

#163 -- Reaffirms #158, calls it poor reasoning on his own part and is no longer suspicious of Turin/thinks his reason for voting Thane is sound.  ~~Again, I don't see any compelling reason for scum!Eldrick to do this if Thane and Turin are both town, and I'll take a hard look at Turin's side of their interaction if Eld flips scum.  Did Eldrick correct himself and switch up his reads like this in Supernatural?  I wasn't really paying attention to the scum team in that game.  

#174 -- Wants to know if others are bothered by Sooh's joke vote. ~~Null

#176 -- Unsure if he's more bothered by Sooh's joke vote or Lily's overexplanation.  ~Null

#181 -- Looked at Sooh's last two town games, notes she unvoted her joke in one and left it on for a while in the other.  Wants to know if unvoting in GnD was a fluke.  ~~I do like that Eldrick looked at other games.  It strikes me as something he in particular would be less likely to do as scum.  I don't like asking whether GnD was a 'fluke' at all though.  Zander became an actual train with multiple serious votes on him, and nearly got mislynched.  Sooh unvoting in that situation is pretty much exactly what she said she would have done with Thane here.

#182 -- Asks if Sooh can show him other examples where she didn't unvote a joke vote for a while.

#183 -- Says he's not going to look further himself and Sooh is scummy.

#188 -- Agrees that Hallia was much more active in GnD.

#193 -- Turin asked Eldrick if he wanted to vote Thane now.  Eldrick asks if he would be a hypocrite if he said yes.

#194 -- Says he does want to vote Thane and feels like a hypocrite.

#195 -- Says he hasn't had any issues with Thane since his intro post.

#196 -- Points out Turin is good at catching early scum slips.  (He caught Eldrick and Thane this way last game.)

#198 -- Zander had pointed out that Thane's 'slip' could have easily just been poor word choice and isn't sure what to make of it.  Eldrick says "That's probably what my reaction was initially. That it was just poorly worded. But I can also see it as a slip."  ~~erm, in #158 Eldrick said <b>he never read the spoiler.</b>  So how did he think at the time that the contents of the spoiler were poorly worded?

#200 -- Asks Turin his thoughts on Sooh

#201 -- Turin had voted Thane.  Eldrick suggests the cop peek him instead.

#204 -- Turin suggested there might not be a cop, thinks there would be a GF if so.  Eldrick thinks a cop is very likely.

#205 -- Wants to know why Turin thinks there might be a GF.

#206 -- Willing to lynch Thane, would rather lynch Sooh.  ~~What happened to wanting to lynch Lily?

#221 -- Tab had said joke voting until she's ready to cast a serious vote is normal for Sooh, thinks Eldrick looks bad for making a big deal out of it, finds his excuse in #96 odd, mixed on the backtracking off of Turin.  Eldrick thanks her for clarifying irt Sooh, says he acknowledges that backing off Turin could look bad, says he's not on a scum team with Thane, votes Thane.

#231 -- Eldrick says his reasons for voting tend to be perceived as odd or else he's sheeping.

#232 -- Clarifies that he doesn't find his own reasons odd.

#234 -- Says that if Thane flips scum Eldrick should be clear, says we can lynch him tomorrow if we're still concerned.

#238 -- Says if town thinks he's distancing from scum!Thane they can lynch him tomorrow.

#239 -- Says he's willing to prove the scum team is not Eldrick and Thane

#240 -- Thinks Lily is scummy but doesn't want to vote her because he's concerned about looking omgus.

#243 -- Says his concern with Thane and Lily are about equal and both based on one post.

#244 -- I had voted Eldrick after his comment that a scum!Thane flip should clear him, noting that he bussed his scum mates last time.  Eldrick responds somewhat emotionally that his suss of Turin was a mistake because he'd misread Thane's post and he can't undo that without looking scummy.  ~~This doesn't actually have anything to do with why I voted him.

#245 -- Says he's ok with being mislynched today because it will give us information.

#247--#260 -- The big AtE, really does read sincere to me and I get the antsy feeling that I'm wrong on him every time I read it.  I don't know.  He's the scummiest player by a mile and it's gone significantly further down hill since N1.  Eldrick is going to be annoyed at getting scum read early every game regardless of his alignment.  I don't believe the outburst itself is alignment indicative.  It's the fact that he maintains a town angle so consistently throughout that has me second guessing.  I don't know that Eldrick can vent to this extent and still maintain cover.  It's not a particularly hard thing to do as scum, I just kind of think Eld in particular would be more likely to go 'ok fine you got me screw this game'.  I've been waffling on it ever since it happened.  Walk away from it for an hour and I'm pretty convinced he's scum again.

 

I'll leave it on that ugh note for now and pick up tomorrow.  :\

[Niniel]

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

Eldrick (1) - Shad

Shad (1) - Eldrick

 

Not voting: Lily, Hallia, Sooh, Turin, Tab

 

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

 

Deadline is Saturday 9 PM CET.

 

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