[Basic]: Friends Mafia

[Niniel]

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

Eld (1) - Shad

Thane (2) - Turin, Sooh

Lily (2) - Hallia, Zander

Hallia (2) - Lily, Eldrick

Taborline (1) - Thane

 

Not voting: Tab

 

With 9 players alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is Tuesday 9 PM CET. That is 5 hours and 44 minutes from now. 

 

Countdown

[Zander?]

Doing a reread now.

 

Will post a reads list upon completion.

 

Turin could you link me some of your most current scum games?  Or anyone knows can as well please.

[Thane Vakarian]

can't really go and research that right now for you... 

 

Hi zan, sup?

[Zander?]

 

so, we lynch Zander who gave you a headache? works for me

 

 

until we find the real wolves that is

 

This reads like you know Zander isn't a wolf. How?

 

[V] Thane [/v]

 

Out for several hours with only the WiFi I can nick around Leeds. See ya later.

 

 

So Turin's opening post.  Not a joke vote obv as he continues to use this in his case against Thane.

 

 

If you read someone as null then you DO NOT KNOW that person is NOT MAFIA. 

 

5 to lynch means 2 votes is not gonna cause a lynch. most likely scenario is 2 mafia so need at least one more town player to vote him before that could even be a possibility. 

 

someone is gonna eventually get two votes, what difference does it make if it is now or later? 

 

I dont quite understand what youre going for with the bold?  Obv Null means Null but it what's the meaning its not like Scum dont put people in Null as well.

 

 

 

I'm not liking the train already building up with basically no content.

 

[V]Turin [/v] for voting the already existing train.

 

 

 

Unvote

 

Vote: Eldrick

 

 

SO Eld votes Turin, Turin who keeps saying Thane made a slip, jumps over Eldrick cause Eldrick doesnt like Turin building an early train?

 

Strange progression and switch from Turin.

 

Also worth noting I said the same thing about the early vote train but Turin doesnt vote me.

[Zander?]

No, breakfast lured me 

 

I agree with your comment about Thane re: "This reads like you know Z isn't a wolf" - but I also wonder when people who have experience post things like "So that means there's 2 baddies, right?" Your vote seems reasonable, given the little amount of material to go on.

 

Sooh is null from what seems like a joke vote.

 

Likewise I can see where Eld is coming from (again, given so little material to work with), but I don't think there's any honest risk right now of a real train happening, it seemed like a bit of an overreaction? Would scum jump to push on a train so soon? 

 

It seems kinda like youre contradicting yourself here can you please explain.

 

 

Z, are you asking just because your are you and are either town or "minority town" in your own mind?

 

Turin what was the point of this?

 

 

I like Turin forcing reactions out of people early. I think his quick switch from Thane to Eldrick comes from a townie state of mind more often than not. It was page 2 in the game; I doubt scum!Turin would go "oh no, Eldrick's on to me!" and respond with an OMGUS pushback.  Especially considering how calm town!Turin can be under pressure.  Switching targets fast like that could draw negative attention as scum, and I think it's more likely to come from town actually looking for early warnings and drawing attention to them.

 

Thane's reactions to Turin were entirely null imo.  He has a relaxed game that he can replicate well, and I don't think the 'understanding' approach is alignment indicative for him.  Thane's biggest struggle as scum is how he progresses his reads, and that's no secret.

 

Eldrick already feels fishy.  I'm not entirely sure what the key to distinguishing GnD D0 Eldrick from Supernatural Eldrick is, but I'm curious how he responds to me.

 

p3, not much else to work with atp.

 

 

How do you feel about the bold atp Shad?

 

I do like the analysis coming from Shad atp.  Im not sure a necessarily agree irt to Turin.  But I like the Shad's digging in early and providing his thoughts early and spread over numerous people.

[Zander?]

ebwop

 

Last post for SHad....not atp, how do you feel now?

[Zander?]

Common ground :) let's lynch Eldrick then.

 

BTW, you think Lily is buddying you more than Shad is buddying me?

 

So you want to lynch Eldrick still when you think Thane is scum.  Interesting, I mean Turin thinks hes nailed both scum 4 pages in....???

 

I dont recall your progression on Shad buddying you either, maybe you did and Ill see it on my reread but can you talk to me about this some please?

[Zander?]

 

I was more asking if you agree with his reasoning for voting.  It seems flimsy to me.

 

Oh. No, I don't. 

 

 

This is interesting as iirc Lily calls Hally out later for a flimsy reasoning for her vote.

 

 

 

My vote wasn't a joke. Sooh's may have been. If Thane had gotten to say 4 votes and Sooh kept her vote on what would you be thinking then?

 

I vote who I think is mafia. I don't really care how many votes they have unless it is hammer or L-1.

 

Looking forward to what you gain from rereading.

Wait. Does this mean you already at that point thought Thane was mafia?

 

 

Yes he did imo.  He also thought Eldrick was too atp.

 

 

 

Sooh. What's your reason for leaving your vote there now? I find it suspicious that you commented on planning to remove your vote, but didn't unvote.

I don't usually hard unvote, even a joke vote. I leave it there until I find someone scummy or more scummy. I would have in this case if there had been a quick train on Thane and more than two votes were on him, but right now my joke stays where it is

That's a dangerous way to play. What if your joke vote gets a townie lynched because you left it on them, and didn't have time to move it?

 

Joke votes are fine. They are expected. Leaving them on without a solid reason is scummy imo.

 

[unvote]

[V]Sooh [/v]

 

 

Eldrick just wanted to touch base on this as you brought it up later.

 

Your vote wasnt instant reaction and you provided your reasoning for it. So I guess it could be a tad OMGUS but much less so then Turin's on you.  He basically voted you for voting him while you gave a more solid reason and iirc you had sussed Sooh a bit as well.

[Zander?]

 

 

Irt my comment at shad. I know having a headache affects gameplay. I just didn't want to see you use it as an excuse to lurk.

Wouldn't it make a good bit more sense to see if I follow through on a scummy course of action than to preemptively call out the possibility that I might?

 

Eldrick, this might have sounded like a stupid/rhetorical question, but I'd like to hear your answer.

 

 

I like this follow up from Shad.  It reads to be like he's really trying to see where Eld is coming from in an attempt to determine his motives behind it.

 

That you would use your headache as an excuse to lurk. I thought I made that clear.

 

I dont understand why you made this comment in the 1st place.  Like did you think Shad's headache was gonna last for the entire game?

 

lolololololol

[Zander?]

 

 

 

No. I already stated that I had you as null.

Well, I think we've just walked in a giant circle.

 

I didn't realize you were saying I might use it as an excuse to lurk even if I am town, which is a weird thought to me because I don't think towns look for excuses to lurk, but I'm getting the impression that's really what you meant to suggest, so I suppose the statement's null.

 

What do you think of Sooh's reaction to your vote?

 

...because I didn't say that. I have no idea if you are town or not. As such, I look out for things that could mean you are scum. I.E. a reason to lurk.

 

Do I think you're scummy? No. I have you as null.

 

Having you as null doesn't mean I think you're town either. I look out for reasons to think that too.

 

As for Sooh's reaction to my vote, I'm not sure how to take it yet. I don't remember if that's how she plays or not, and I'm not just taking her word for it. I didn't, and still don't, like the concept of leaving a joke vote on someone after stating that it's a joke vote. She hasn't stated a reason to leave it there, and her continuing to do so has bought her my vote.

 

Feel free to go back and look in my other games, especially the most recent ones. I tend to stay put until I have a reason to switch. Thanks for giving me one I guess.

 

[v]Eldrick[/v]

 

This seems weird and reaching, even for you.

 

 

 

LOL ME

 

Sorry Eld my last comment to you was failme....This is what you were talking about.  She did list a reason at least for voting you so I guess Ill say again tho in the right context it is OMGUS-y.

[Zander?]

Shad I think I got your headache :P

 

Better not use this as an excuse to lurk imo. 

 

lolololololol

 

So when I first read the thread, something about the way Turin reacted to Thane's post felt off to me. I felt like his reasoning was flimsy and had for some reason got the idea he was just coming up with a reason to vote someone that already had a vote.

 

Going back over it, I don't see whatever I saw the first time around. His reasoning for voting Thane is sound. He reacted to what was poor reasoning on my part. I don't have any issue with how he handled the situation anymore.

 

So you think Thane made a slip because thats the reason Turins sussing him atp.

 

Does anyone else have input on how Sooh plays?

Is it normal for her to joke vote someone, come back and comment on it being a joke vote, and then leave the vote there?

Am I the only one seeing this as a problem?

 

Yes it is.

 

I dont know but im not.

[Zander?]

Cuz I seriously feel like one. I sus you for your vote on thane. I figure out your reason for voting him. I want to vote him for the same reason.

 

He said it was a slip...what was there to figure out?

 

 

Only one way to find out.

 

[unvote]

 

[V] Thane [/v]

 

Just....lololololol.

 

So now that Eld's considering voting Thane, you drop him and revote Thane,

[Zander?]

I thought that was clear that his vote was not a joke at that point?

 

The back and forth between Eld and Sooh is odd. Eld you really seem to be driving hard at Sooh for what is, to me, nothing too scummy? From recollection, Sooh does tend to put a joke vote out there and then just wait until she is ready to vote for whoever she wants. Your back tracking about Turin could be a townie thing to do, admitting you were wrong, but it could also be an effort to try and turn eyes away from you. I'm not ready to vote for you yet, but of everyone you seem the scummiest.

 

Tab making points and engaging the thread.  This is not her reminding me of her only Scum game in NBC thus far.

[Shad_]

Morning.

 

Thane's vote on Tab is pretty weird and makes me wonder if he's reading my posts.  There's something else I want to go back and check on when I get a minute.

[Zander?]

 

I would think my support for lynching Thane would clear me as his teammate, should he flip scum. Should there be any doubt, you can mislynch me tomorrow.

 

Have you heard of distancing?

 

 

This will be something I come back to if Lily flips scum which I feel she will.

[Shad_]

My computer "problem" has existed for as long as I played Mafia.  I griped because it ate a long post.  /shrug

[Thane Vakarian]

@Zander: Glad to see you ITT bro. Hopefully people read what you post, every single post.
@Shad: Yes, I read all the posts, but I have my own reasons to do what I do

[Zander?]

 

I would think my support for lynching Thane would clear me as his teammate, should he flip scum. Should there be any doubt, you can mislynch me tomorrow.

mmmm..... [v]Eldrick[/v]. This is a bit much for me to swallow. Your whole team bussed each other last game.  I don't know that you saying this tells us squat about Thane's alignment if you flip scum, but I'm not buying that it's an honest thought.

 

 

Im rereading now.  Has your thoughts on Eldrick changed Shad?  Also please read below and tell me what you think of the AtE

 

 

 

Can someone remind me why I keep signing u for these? I'm getting really sick of always being seen as scummy. I don't know how to play well. That's why I asked for a mentor (that I never got)

 

 

I seriously don't care right now. Mislynch me. Get it over with. I'm halfway tempted to vote myself and get the policy lynch started.

 

 

It's making me not want to play anymore. And that's not fair to town. It's not fair to the mod.

 

Either lynch me and get it over with or look elsewhere, cuz I'm done helping out until I'm not the focus anymore.

 

 

In case anyone cares, I am Monica - Vanilla town

 

 

I just posted on time's signup that I won't play her game without a mentor. Anyone who calls that angles hooting is a jerk, cuz I feel like crap right now.

 

 

 

Thats a hard AtE sell.  And im pretty much willing to clear him for it. 

 

BUT if this is fake Eldrick rest assured it'll never work again with me.

 

I may re evaluate later if need be but for now youre prolly Town even after I felt your first few posts were kinda forced,

[Zander?]

I was, I blame you for the initial part with your distracting me with TANKS; apologies for not coming back, my sis came over and we played Until Dawn (Terrifying btw)

 

I will join Eld and 

 

Vote: Lily

 

For the moment this is where I am happy.

 

Like Ive mentioned this is not uncommon for Hallia.  She does list a reason for voting later in this post.

 

I'm glad someone does. Thank you hally. You're not trying to pocket me, are you?

 

I actually like this comment from Eld fwiw.

 

 

I'm somewhere between unvoting Eldrick for that ATE and keeping my vote there for that comment about not initially wanting to vote Lily because it would look bad.

 

I'll have to look at the rest of you all tomorrow and see who else is scummy.

 

Town!Sooh is less concerned with hows shes perceived by others imo. Ive been feeling you were Town thus far but this lowers you a bit for me

 

Lily, you were awfully quick to jump off of Eld

 

 

AtE - Appeal to Emotion

 

Here's Hallia's reason.  Its something I noted as well.

 

But Hallia, Im not seeing the involvement level from you like in GnD so if you are Town I need you to step it up and explain things better if you dont mind my dear.  Im not gonna push a lynch on you today but you'll not be getting a D2 pass from me with this.

[Shad_]

I'm pretty intensely torn on it tbh.  I have no doubt that Eldrick is pretty frustrated with being in the D1 POE always, and I think he could have a breakdown as either alignment.  It's a question of whether he could vent like that and still spin it, which I think Turin pointed out was highly unlikely.  Maybe it is.  It's hard to contrast with the fact that he's been pinging me ten times more than he did in GnD when I mislynched him, and for scummier reasons.  :\

[Shad_]

Bingo. What I thought happened did happen.

 

Poorly worded is more like it. Turins' push on me sorta feels like Zander pushing lynches in his previous games (no offense, Zan) and they ended up lynching town. If Turin pushes successfully, you'll miss a VT next day. Me flipping town wouldn't automatically make him wolf, but it'd look... let's put it mildly... not too great.

not a big fan of both claims that are already on the table to be honest. Unnecessary to do so early in the game.

 

Also townies that are saying things like: 'i'm alright with you lynching me'... i mean, ??? It's not really a towntell if you say it. Not for me. Sounds a bit too easy and doesn't really push anybody into thinking further on the subject.

Thane Lily scum team?

[Sooh]

 

 

 

I was, I blame you for the initial part with your distracting me with TANKS; apologies for not coming back, my sis came over and we played Until Dawn (Terrifying btw)

 

I will join Eld and 

 

Vote: Lily

 

For the moment this is where I am happy.

 

Like Ive mentioned this is not uncommon for Hallia.  She does list a reason for voting later in this post.

 

I'm glad someone does. Thank you hally. You're not trying to pocket me, are you?

 

I actually like this comment from Eld fwiw.

 

 

 

 

I'm somewhere between unvoting Eldrick for that ATE and keeping my vote there for that comment about not initially wanting to vote Lily because it would look bad.

 

I'll have to look at the rest of you all tomorrow and see who else is scummy.

 

Town!Sooh is less concerned with hows shes perceived by others imo. Ive been feeling you were Town thus far but this lowers you a bit for me

 

 

 

Lily, you were awfully quick to jump off of Eld

 

 

AtE - Appeal to Emotion

 

Here's Hallia's reason.  Its something I noted as well.

 

But Hallia, Im not seeing the involvement level from you like in GnD so if you are Town I need you to step it up and explain things better if you dont mind my dear.  Im not gonna push a lynch on you today but you'll not be getting a D2 pass from me with this.

 

What are you talking about? How is this me being worried about how my actions look? I was saying I was slightly swayed by the AtE, but that other things made me keep my vote there until I was done reading the thread again. 

[Thane Vakarian]

Lily & someone else, perhaps.

[Zander?]

Oh, I guess I better claim. Phoebe - VT

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96655-sign-up-friends-mafia/?p=3609745

 

What are the odds of this happening....but I guess theres no fake claims but I figure she'd be more excited then that,

 

@ Ask A Mod.

 

So from your OP Im assuming theres no fake claims then?

[Shad_]

 

I like Turin forcing reactions out of people early. I think his quick switch from Thane to Eldrick comes from a townie state of mind more often than not. It was page 2 in the game; I doubt scum!Turin would go "oh no, Eldrick's on to me!" and respond with an OMGUS pushback.  Especially considering how calm town!Turin can be under pressure.  Switching targets fast like that could draw negative attention as scum, and I think it's more likely to come from town actually looking for early warnings and drawing attention to them.

 

Thane's reactions to Turin were entirely null imo.  He has a relaxed game that he can replicate well, and I don't think the 'understanding' approach is alignment indicative for him.  Thane's biggest struggle as scum is how he progresses his reads, and that's no secret.

 

Eldrick already feels fishy.  I'm not entirely sure what the key to distinguishing GnD D0 Eldrick from Supernatural Eldrick is, but I'm curious how he responds to me.

 

p3, not much else to work with atp.

How do you feel about the bold atp Shad?

 

I still think Turin's probably town, and I think that the AtE aside Eldrick has been pretty scummy all game.  So no, I'm no more bothered about Turin having switched to him now than I was then.  He (and you) characterizing me as buddying him was pretty odd (I asked you to go into detail on why you thought that twice; you didn't.  I'm not particularly concerned that you didn't because a ton more content has happened since).  But I think it's somewhat less likely that scum!Turin tries to smear me with "buddying" here than accepting a positive read at a time when he was under some fire.