[Basic] Supernatural Mafia ~ Game Over ~ Town Wins!!!

[Zander?]

As an added note I hated her boohoo low WIM AtE posts but I'm not sure if that means much. But I definitely rolled my eyes at it. Heh.

 

Me too.

 

Because two players (Nyn and Laine) who I believed to be town pretty much guaranteed that he'd turn up scum. I wasn't confident enough in neither my own read of him nor the fact that I agreed with him about Zander for that to save him. Wrong decision, clearly, but it is what it is.

 

 

SO you liked Nolders "case" on me cause you agreed with it, then voted him while not voting your top scum read.  Prolly a Pro Town play.....

 

Didn't read it. Not gonna read It. It is irrelevant. This is self meta which again means you are aware of it which means you can manipulate it. Just like the line of "I have only soft claimed as town". There will be a first time for everything. As to Thane, you can say he was only a slight read but you treated him in a manner to suggest otherwise. Your reasoning for the read is imo weak. Not sure if it how it reflects on his alignment but I think it looks bad on you. About Cory influence, in those other games you were not looking for guidance and ways to possibly improve your game from him so those comparisons would also be irrelevant.

 

Hypothetical question: Sooh gets a town cop view tonight, who is your next best candidate? Why?

 

Sooh's asking to be Copped sketches me out to no end,  So I dont really know what to make of that if it happens.  Dude you have no real idea of the interactions I have with Cory, but if you read Maf chat I ask him and Chris for advice and ask questions of them all the time.  Reread the Maf QT from Matrix and come back and try to make the same "irrelevant" remark again.

 

Cory tries to guide me but spends more time trying to keep me reigned in cause Zander's gonna Zander.

 

You whole case on me is not liking my soft claim and hypothetical Cory influence stuffs.

[Sooh]

 

 

@Sooh. You said you backed off Zander cause his lynch wasn't gonna happen. But later zander had 2 votes on him. What exactly made you decide to vote Nolder vs resuming your vote on Zander? Inquiring minds want to know.

I responded to this already.

 

Can you at least give me a post number? Because I didn't see a response.

 

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OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

Nolder(7): Alannalynn, Nynaeve, Sooh, Zander, Eldrick, Lily, Nolder

Sooh(1): Pralaya

Thane(2): BFG, bgrishinko

Zander(1): Turin

 

Not Voting: Thane

 

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

 

 

That's a lyyyyyyyyyyynch.

Ok from memory as I don't have time to read back now.

 

Laine voted because Nolder was 'pinging' the way he does when mafia. If I recall she doesn't actually expand on this (or at least Nolder never responds to her and he responded to everyone else)

 

Nyn voted and cased Nolder and pushed him once she started. Probably the best vote on the train

 

Sooh's vote shifted the trains from 2-2-2-2 to make Nolder 3, so was the swing vote and was unexplained on somebody who was null on her list and making the same case she did.

 

Zander's vote was a compromise(?) and was accompanied by an extended argument with Nolder. Called Nolder weird and again never explained what he meant by that at the point he said it

 

Eldrick's vote was because he didn't like Nolder refusing to cooperate, not a great reason, but in line with Eldricks play as either alignment.

 

Lily's was because??? I actually can't remember the reason - earlier she'd said Nolder/Zander/Eldrick, Eldrixk wasn't a viable option at that point, she says Nolder scummy for a couple of reasons but I'm not sure what???

 

Nolder hammers

 

Pral's vote on Sooh isn't surprising, by which I mean Pral has a habit of missing EOD and ending up on his own in a vote.

 

I need to check BGs vote but superficially I obviously don't have a problem with it

 

Turin's vote is fine, checking Turin is the absolute bottom of my priority list this game.

 

Thane didn't vote - had mafia reads on Nolder/Eldrick

 

 

 

 

Lily can you explain what it was you didn't like about Nolder?

 

Same for Laine (more specifically than 'pings')

 

Sooh, why did you vote Nolder over Zander?

 

On the train Nyn looks fine.

 

Objectively Sooh looks the worst - but this is only true if the other trains available aren't all town. Not just for being the swing vote, but because her top mafia read was an option and she voted a null instead.

 

Off wagon, Thane looks the worst, but not really because of the lack of vote :p

 

Because two players (Nyn and Laine) who I believed to be town pretty much guaranteed that he'd turn up scum. I wasn't confident enough in neither my own read of him nor the fact that I agreed with him about Zander for that to save him. Wrong decision, clearly, but it is what it is.

 

[Nynaeve]

thanks

[Sooh]

 

As an added note I hated her boohoo low WIM AtE posts but I'm not sure if that means much. But I definitely rolled my eyes at it. Heh.

 

Me too.

 

Because two players (Nyn and Laine) who I believed to be town pretty much guaranteed that he'd turn up scum. I wasn't confident enough in neither my own read of him nor the fact that I agreed with him about Zander for that to save him. Wrong decision, clearly, but it is what it is.

 

 

SO you liked Nolders "case" on me cause you agreed with it, then voted him while not voting your top scum read.  Prolly a Pro Town play.....

 

Didn't read it. Not gonna read It. It is irrelevant. This is self meta which again means you are aware of it which means you can manipulate it. Just like the line of "I have only soft claimed as town". There will be a first time for everything. As to Thane, you can say he was only a slight read but you treated him in a manner to suggest otherwise. Your reasoning for the read is imo weak. Not sure if it how it reflects on his alignment but I think it looks bad on you. About Cory influence, in those other games you were not looking for guidance and ways to possibly improve your game from him so those comparisons would also be irrelevant.

 

Hypothetical question: Sooh gets a town cop view tonight, who is your next best candidate? Why?

 

Sooh's asking to be Copped sketches me out to no end,  So I dont really know what to make of that if it happens.  Dude you have no real idea of the interactions I have with Cory, but if you read Maf chat I ask him and Chris for advice and ask questions of them all the time.  Reread the Maf QT from Matrix and come back and try to make the same "irrelevant" remark again.

 

Cory tries to guide me but spends more time trying to keep me reigned in cause Zander's gonna Zander.

 

You whole case on me is not liking my soft claim and hypothetical Cory influence stuffs.

 

Since when is a case in mafia dead solid proof?

 

I regret my backing off from you, but I wasn't getting anything else done while I was basically having a "You're accusing me of changing meta, but I said I would be changing this game" "You're using meta against me, but I am sick this game"- argument with you which was going nowhere.

 

Consider me back on to you.

[Nynaeve]

 

 

You're misunderstanding what I mean by that. I meant flying under the radar as in not posting scummily enough to be a valid lynch option, but at the same time not being towny enough to be cleared.

 

But you don't think the above, do you?. You thought he was scummy enough to merit a vote. And your unvoting post indicates that you still think that way but you're backing off to change people's perception of you. Has that opinion changed? Or are you talking about how everyone else is perceiving him?

 

I still think he's scummy enough to merit a vote, but I realize that I won't get him lynched today, perhaps never, so my vote is wasted on him. I'm not trying to get people to change their opinions of me merely based on an unvote, but because of how I do the game from here now that I'm feeling better. IRT Zander I'm talking about other people's perception yes. Basically if he's not an easy town read for you you should hear warning bells IMO.

 

This is what you clarified to me irt your unvote... that it was not done to change the perception of you but rather you putting your attention elsewhere cause no one was following you on Zander. You sound pretty sure in your suspicion here and why you backed off... so what changed?  I just find it odd that you didn't even consider moving to Zander once he did start getting votes.

[Pralaya]

Well, considering what I had talked about Zander/Nolder, the flip does help me focus on others.

 

Gross

 

Just WTF

 

If I die remember Alanna promised to lynch Sooh.

 

Lunch Sooh tomorrow.

 

 

Sooh tomorrow you said.  I may not be here to keep people in check.

 

This task falls to you.

 

 

If Im not dead we're lunching Sooh tomorrow.

I don't like Zander keep proclaiming that he is going be dead in the night. I don't see why he will be - especially with people not reading him town. This looks to me like pushing a town-image of him and faking it.

[Zander?]

 

Since when is a case in mafia dead solid proof?

 

I regret my backing off from you, but I wasn't getting anything else done while I was basically having a "You're accusing me of changing meta, but I said I would be changing this game" "You're using meta against me, but I am sick this game"- argument with you which was going nowhere.

 

Consider me back on to you.

 

 

I can tell you when theyre not, like the awful ones you and Nolder and to a lesser effect Turin but against me.  Yours was completely made up and contradicted and you were able to prove nothing you claimed cause none of it was true. 

 

Nolder thought I was aggressive for saying come on and calling something Null.  And used quotes from after his vote to justify calling me it when it was part of hir reason for voting me in the first place.

 

Turin doesnt like my soft claim and is basing things off of what he "thinks" Cory is saying to me.

 

Youre not hiding behind being sick with me.  Sorry not gonna work.  Using AtE and taking pot shots at me also not gonna work.

 

You can "be back on me" all you want because its your job as Scum to lynch Towny's but you should know youre not gonna mislynch me.

[Zander?]

 

I don't like Zander keep proclaiming that he is going be dead in the night. I don't see why he will be - especially with people not reading him town. This looks to me like pushing a town-image of him and faking it.

 

 

 

Wolves also know that I have Cory making reads with me as well.  They have to take both of our reads into consideration.

 

And as Town why wouldnt I assume I'd could be NK'd?

 

And as for pushing my Town image, I do that as both alignments.

[Sooh]

 

 

 

You're misunderstanding what I mean by that. I meant flying under the radar as in not posting scummily enough to be a valid lynch option, but at the same time not being towny enough to be cleared.

 

But you don't think the above, do you?. You thought he was scummy enough to merit a vote. And your unvoting post indicates that you still think that way but you're backing off to change people's perception of you. Has that opinion changed? Or are you talking about how everyone else is perceiving him?

 

I still think he's scummy enough to merit a vote, but I realize that I won't get him lynched today, perhaps never, so my vote is wasted on him. I'm not trying to get people to change their opinions of me merely based on an unvote, but because of how I do the game from here now that I'm feeling better. IRT Zander I'm talking about other people's perception yes. Basically if he's not an easy town read for you you should hear warning bells IMO.

 

This is what you clarified to me irt your unvote... that it was not done to change the perception of you but rather you putting your attention elsewhere cause no one was following you on Zander. You sound pretty sure in your suspicion here and why you backed off... so what changed?  I just find it odd that you didn't even consider moving to Zander once he did start getting votes.

 

I don't have a good response for that. I believed you and Laine that Nolder was a definite scumbag, so I voted there. Could I have gone back and voted for Zander, sure. Did I? No. Did I consider it? Yes. Did I say anything about it in thread? no.

[Sooh]

 

 

Since when is a case in mafia dead solid proof?

 

I regret my backing off from you, but I wasn't getting anything else done while I was basically having a "You're accusing me of changing meta, but I said I would be changing this game" "You're using meta against me, but I am sick this game"- argument with you which was going nowhere.

 

Consider me back on to you.

 

 

I can tell you when theyre not, like the awful ones you and Nolder and to a lesser effect Turin but against me.  Yours was completely made up and contradicted and you were able to prove nothing you claimed cause none of it was true. 

 

Nolder thought I was aggressive for saying come on and calling something Null.  And used quotes from after his vote to justify calling me it when it was part of hir reason for voting me in the first place.

 

Turin doesnt like my soft claim and is basing things off of what he "thinks" Cory is saying to me.

 

Youre not hiding behind being sick with me.  Sorry not gonna work.  Using AtE and taking pot shots at me also not gonna work.

 

You can "be back on me" all you want because its your job as Scum to lynch Towny's but you should know youre not gonna mislynch me.

 

No, I'll lynch you and you'll flip scum, so it's a good lynch, not a mislynch. Yay.

[Nynaeve]

@Pral, who would be your top scum read coming into D2?

[Pralaya]

Weird as in weird....I dont think Im the only person whose described your posts this way either.

 

The i dont get it. i dont understand posts, some of which dont seem all the complicated to understand.imo.

 

The reason for voting Pral was hellibad as well.

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Youre not making much if any sense really with most of your posts.  The only thing really holding me back on you atp was the fact I was wrong about you last game and I want some more to base a solid read on you from.

I have a lot of null reads, but that's ok for Day 1. It will sort itself out in time.

 

 

Nolder - He has recently moved down for me. I don't like his reasoning for voting Pral. His question to Zander was weird.

This is what stands out to me. This was around the time Nolder started getting heat and and after this that people started voting Nolder.

 

The thing is I find it weird that both of them started going against Nolder saying that they didn't like his vote on me

 

The funny thing is he never voted me and it was a passing comment that he would put me in his lynch pile.

 

I can believe if it was one person making the mistake but both of them doing the exact same mistake and that too around the time trying to put the heat on Nolder looks really bad.

 

Gun to the head, both Zander and Eldrick are scum. If this is the case, I could be wrong about Sooh after all.

[Nynaeve]

If anything it's Eldrick that's been going around and echoing other people's mistake/false perceptions.

[Pralaya]

Pralaya, where are youuuu????????????? Even Shad, who's doing nothing but vote counts has more posts than you. By > double. What do you think? What are you thinking? Who should we lynch? What do we do? HALPPP MEEEE

Huh? I have had more posts on D1 in this game than I ever had for a ling time. I am posting atleast 2 times every real life day. And, each one of my post is game related and not fluff. And, that include my reads and reasons.

 

I have 1 hour dedicated every day to mafia which I use to catch up and post. Which I am doing this game. I don't know what more you expect me to do.

[Pralaya]

If anything it's Eldrick that's been going around and echoing other people's mistake/false perceptions.

Except, Eldrick mentioned it first.

[Nynaeve]

Personally I'm not gonna start nipicking someone getting confused over who Nolder was voting. It's easy to do that and I don't think it's alignment indicative either way. 

[Nynaeve]

 

If anything it's Eldrick that's been going around and echoing other people's mistake/false perceptions.

Except, Eldrick mentioned it first.

 

 

Well I was talking more about him seconding Turin's note about my content. But noted. I thought Eldrick said it second from the order of your quotes. 

[Nynaeve]

Gun to the head, both Zander and Eldrick are scum. If this is the case, I could be wrong about Sooh after all.

 

 

See this kind of bugs me. Most of your content is nudging Sooh. And you did vote her on D1 if I recall. But now you're backing away from that read because you're sure that Nolder/Zander is v/w. But your content points at you feeling more strongly on Sooh considering you've been all over her.... so I'm not sure how I feel about this change of hearts. Mostly cause you're now going for two more game days where you have Sooh on your suss list but you're not actually gonna pursue her. Meh.

[Nynaeve]

Need to step away to think for a bit. I'll be back later.

[Nynaeve]

Oh just one thing... Sooh... what's your top WTL going into D2?

[Sooh]

WTL: Zander, Eldrick

 

Must look closer at BG, Thane

 

Unsure about Laine, Pral, Lily

 

Not lynching BFG, Nyn, Turin

[Nynaeve]

This is your read list from yesterday:

 

 

BFG - I believe she's town. She's doing the word and asking questions to help solve the game. 
Nyn - I like Nyn's posts as well. Both her attitude and her solving is very towny.
BGrishinko - I like his posts. He seems to be taking in the new atmosphere and try to figure people out. However, this may be the one who pockets me. 
 
Turin - I feel like he's trying to figure this out, but I'm not confident in this read. I'm most confident about Turin when I disagree with him the most basically. I will have to go back and look at him more. One of the things that makes me doubt my read is that he is giving me the benefit of the doubt. 
Laine - I feel like she's the same Laine as I usually see in her town games, but then again she did fool me last game. I am uncertain about this slot.

I'll keep rereading when I get home from work tomorrow, but that's where I'm at right now.
 
Nolder - No idea. Basically I like that he seems some of the same things I see in Zander. 
Lily - Also no idea. Must read more closely.
Thane - Could go either way. I can't clear or condemn him.
Eldrick - Weird player. Takes time for me to figure out. He had a post I didn't like earlier about having too many nulls. (Ironic since I have like four nulls myself perhaps) I have mislynched him too many times though. I would like to see him make it beyond D1. 
 
Pral - Down here because I didn't understand why he made a push towards me. I know Nyn tried to explain, but I didn't really get that either. Not much else to go on.
Zander - Down here because I have no reason to clear him basically. I don't like the sarcasm and snarky attitude. If either Zander or I are lynched today I recommend a cop view on the other, because I don't think we can be cleared in any other way.

 

 

This is obviously from just a minute ago.

 

WTL: Zander, Eldrick

 

Must look closer at BG, Thane

 

Unsure about Laine, Pral, Lily

 

Not lynching BFG, Nyn, Turin

 

What exactly made you drop Eldrick further down and Pral higher? What about their posts since that read lists changed your mind? I'm not asking about the BG change of placements because I can sort of see how you got there from what we were taking about earlier irt him. And I can accept you being unsure of Laine because you did say you weren't sure on the read. So those two are I can get your thought process on. I'd like an answer on the other two, though.

[Pralaya]

See this kind of bugs me. Most of your content is nudging Sooh. And you did vote her on D1 if I recall. But now you're backing away from that read because you're sure that Nolder/Zander is v/w. But your content points at you feeling more strongly on Sooh considering you've been all over her.... so I'm not sure how I feel about this change of hearts. Mostly cause you're now going for two more game days where you have Sooh on your suss list but you're not actually gonna pursue her. Meh.

Because I now have information which I did not have on D1. Second, it doesn't day anywhere that I don't pursue sooh. When we get more info, reads will change

[Nynaeve]

 

See this kind of bugs me. Most of your content is nudging Sooh. And you did vote her on D1 if I recall. But now you're backing away from that read because you're sure that Nolder/Zander is v/w. But your content points at you feeling more strongly on Sooh considering you've been all over her.... so I'm not sure how I feel about this change of hearts. Mostly cause you're now going for two more game days where you have Sooh on your suss list but you're not actually gonna pursue her. Meh.

Because I now have information which I did not have on D1. Second, it doesn't day anywhere that I don't pursue sooh. When we get more info, reads will change

 

 

ok

[Sooh]

This is your read list from yesterday:

 

 

BFG - I believe she's town. She's doing the word and asking questions to help solve the game. 

Nyn - I like Nyn's posts as well. Both her attitude and her solving is very towny.

BGrishinko - I like his posts. He seems to be taking in the new atmosphere and try to figure people out. However, this may be the one who pockets me. 

 

Turin - I feel like he's trying to figure this out, but I'm not confident in this read. I'm most confident about Turin when I disagree with him the most basically. I will have to go back and look at him more. One of the things that makes me doubt my read is that he is giving me the benefit of the doubt. 

Laine - I feel like she's the same Laine as I usually see in her town games, but then again she did fool me last game. I am uncertain about this slot.

 

I'll keep rereading when I get home from work tomorrow, but that's where I'm at right now.

 

Nolder - No idea. Basically I like that he seems some of the same things I see in Zander. 

Lily - Also no idea. Must read more closely.

Thane - Could go either way. I can't clear or condemn him.

Eldrick - Weird player. Takes time for me to figure out. He had a post I didn't like earlier about having too many nulls. (Ironic since I have like four nulls myself perhaps) I have mislynched him too many times though. I would like to see him make it beyond D1. 

 

Pral - Down here because I didn't understand why he made a push towards me. I know Nyn tried to explain, but I didn't really get that either. Not much else to go on.

Zander - Down here because I have no reason to clear him basically. I don't like the sarcasm and snarky attitude. If either Zander or I are lynched today I recommend a cop view on the other, because I don't think we can be cleared in any other way.

 

 

This is obviously from just a minute ago.

 

WTL: Zander, Eldrick

 

Must look closer at BG, Thane

 

Unsure about Laine, Pral, Lily

 

Not lynching BFG, Nyn, Turin

 

What exactly made you drop Eldrick further down and Pral higher? What about their posts since that read lists changed your mind? I'm not asking about the BG change of placements because I can sort of see how you got there from what we were taking about earlier irt him. And I can accept you being unsure of Laine because you did say you weren't sure on the read. So those two are I can get your thought process on. I'd like an answer on the other two, though.

I liked Pral's last few posts where he seemed to show some towny process. 

 

As for Eldrick it's a bit more complicated. I suppose he's more in my "Must look closer at" pile. He's more in my POE because he's in most other people's POE rather than specific things he does. 

Actually no, put him in my "Not sure about" pile. I changed my mind. 

 

Zander, BG and Thane will get my main focus tomorrow.