[Advanced] Gods and Demons Mafia - All your souls belong to Shad (Triads win)

[Sooh]

 

Ok so we have a stump, an IC, and a vig?

 

Can someone make me a list of all people who have claimed so I'm not going to go after cleared people?

Zander - mod confirmed Innocent Child

Eldrick - mod confirmed Sacrificial Lamp. Claimed Stump.

Celeste - Claimed Even Night Cop

Lenlo - Claimed 1x vig. Says he shot you N1. Unsure if he has a bullet left or not.

 

I love the sacrificial lamp. 

 

In fact I worship it.

True story.

 

 

Best typo ever!

 

 

 

I'm a bit lost in this game. I was exhausted from the last two games and thought I could just exist in this one without reading too much.

That has really crippled me this game and I really regret it because if I'd just stuck with it from the beginning it wouldn't be a problem (aside from my sanity).

 

I think pretty much that reading the thread is always required. Rereading and ISOing and such is less needed if you're burned out. 

[Sooh]

Also welcome back, Thane! I'm glad you're feeling better!

 

 

Now I go to do the fun task of ISOing Shad. 

[BFG]

Like just look at the nolder lynch and take in the names

 

You can just feel it when you think bout those players

 

I kind of think it's in alanna/calder

 

I guess I kind of feel like BFG doesn't really have a presence this game, but I can't recall what her previous town game was exactly like towards this point in the game so I can't really say I'm confident in this read, but I'm leaning town contrary to popular opinion

Harsh

 

 

<snip>

 

The BFG thing was because I remembered BFG voted celeste but it wasn't accounted for and somehow my brain just took off with it, but yeah that's how I feel anyway

I also kind of realized this really doesn't make sense but that's just because I'm cautious and can't remember whether or not BFG is aggressive and I want to say in general from what I remember she's not

 

That said I'm unsure how she interpreted that I was less relaxed that normal if you take away my meltdown. I mean it makes sense in context so it's not really a case, but whatever

 

I don't want to lynch her today and who cares about tomorrow we'll figure it out then

 

My vote was counted, I unvoted when I saw the claim and my phone couldn't keep up with the thread, you've always asked me about this.

 

Relaxed below, I'm pretty sure I've also used the word happier after I looked at your first few points in WITD. I quoted your first few posts from 3 games I vaguely remember. In one you were obv town, in one you're mafia and the one we played together you were town but I had a hard time reading you at the start of the game and sheeped Key.

 

In the game I've seen since you came back you were less enthusiastic/relaxed and town, so I'm trying to read you without meta since I don't have any valid mafia meta for you.

 

Regarding aggressive, I wouldn't say this is particularly aggressive but you're not the only person to think this so it is what it is. I'm more direct than I have been in recent games, but while my town game has a fair amount of range to it, I am always passive as mafia, I don't make enemies, I don't case, I don't do much of anything really, I don't interact much in thread, I'll catch up (either WoT or post by post depending on how I feel) and I'll ask the ~same questions I do as town, but the conclusions, read development are lacking. In Matrix Clov recognises this (passiveness when mafia) and ~clears me for it despite basically being absent for the first week the game played. I don't see any way I ever 'come at' Zander if I'm mafia, because of his propensity to OMGUS (as either alignment) and tunnel, and he can outpost me 10 times over and get me lynched pretty much whenever he wants, so I probably don't want to draw his attention when mafia.

 

My read on you basically stems from the fact that in my head you're an enthusiastic player who gets highly involved and is ~good at faking it when mafia (at least the only game I remember you as mafia in you swept against a town that had very strong players in, some of whom had decent experience playing with you). So this game, your posts are good, but then early on you went absent for quite a while (comparatively speaking - it was less than a day in reality, just a lot of posting inbetween) and I'm having difficulty shaking the uhoh feeling I had from it, that's then coupled with the tonal change from the last game we played and you were town. You're not in my POE at the moment, but leaving you out is making me all sorts of nervous.

 

 

 

 

 

WITD town Manbat

 

 

YES

 

YES

 

I DID IT

 

I RANDED VILLAGER

 

I'M THE GREATEST

 

 

I refuse to behave this game.

 

 

I'm gonna find every wolf based off their first post. Will tell you results once everyone has posted.

 

 

Cory and sili are villagers based on their first posts

 

Boom already getting started.

 

 

CORY I AM EXTREEEEEEEEEEEEMELY EXCITED

 

I AM READS TO WIN

 

THEY SHOULD MAKE A MOVIE ABOUT US CRUSHING WOLVES

 

 

Marlfox Town!Manbat

 

 

So I read the first two pages and I'm probably lock clearing Thane at this point for playing vastly differently from the last game.

 

I think yates voting Cory/hallia out of the gate might be villagery for him

 

A lot of people here I don't have any meta on so I might just stick to reading people I've played with before.

 

Everyone seems maximum rustle which is making me lol

 

no current read on Cory or Tom, and it's probably gonna stay that way until I feel comfortable lock clearing them

 

 

It's really weird taking the step down from moderator and returning to the game of mafia as a player.

 

 

I am a villager and tom calling me a villager makes me want to call him a villager because that's how we roll in team village.

 

WE CRUSH WOLVES AND TAKE NO PRISONERS. ALL WOLVES THAT STAND IN OUR WAY WILL PERISH

 

WE ARE

 

VILLAGE ALWAYSWINS

 

WHENEVER WOLVES HAVE INFESTED YOUR VILLAGE WITH A PLAGUE, WHO YA GONNA CALL?

 

NO NOT THE GHOSTBUSTERS WHERE THE HELL DID YOU GET THAT IDEA

 

WHAT DO YOU MEAN I'M USING THIS MEME IMPROPERLY

 

WHATEVER FINE LET'S JUST LYNCH WOLVES

 

Seriously though the only thing giving me pause on clearing tom now is the thought of him pocketing me.

 

But it seemed like a villagery way to say it.

 

CORY what's your read of tom?

 

 

 

 

@BF/Key - Good luck riding that emotional roller coaster! Also, I *will* topple you in football predictions. Mark my words.

Mmmhmmmmm, we'll see.

 

You will all be receiving packages at your front door within the next 48 hours.  Each will contain a letter along with a mystery object* and you must do whatever the letter says.  PM me when you have done this…or else.

 

 

 

 

*In Verbal's case it might be a pretty blue dress.

Interesting!

 

In Verbal's case, I will immediately look for a stain on the front.

 

Everyone seems maximum rustle which is making me lol

What are you seeing that I'm not?

 

 

I just finished modding a game where cory and tom roflstomped the whole village

 

 

 

Because I love tom and I always WANT to clear him

 

And he cleared me so I almost have to

 

 

Dietary habits Mafia!Manbat

 

 

 

 

I don't want to leave for work right now. I just want to go back to sleep for three days.

Claiming scum already?

[v ]Arsis

 

 

 

If this was a joke post I kinda didn't like it but I kept reading and

 

 

@GleMeri, Flavor?

Ithi is TOWN.

... And the buddying starts.

 

  

 

I think this is probably a villagery thing to say in a vacuum, but I'd have to disagree that it looks like buddying. I mean it's not unheard of for town to just say those things so ya.

 

I'd self vote and get rid. It's a negative to Town.

So if you are a Miller you cause uncertainty and wifom.

If you are Mafia claiming Miller you cause uncertainty and wifom.

There's no real good reason to keep you about.

This makes negative sense.

 

Aj and tom get villager points for mindmeld votes almost immediately following this post.

 

I'm on page 5 see you shortly.

 

 

 

 

I would lynch him if he reads as scummy to me. I would not specify a time. There is no time limit to my mind. I'm considering him as if he never claimed anything.

I'm already liking tom as a villager. Considering lock clearing.

 

 

 

 

@manbat - Turin buddying to Ithi is site meta-joke. Note that they're hydra now.

goooooooootcha

 

also noted.

 

 

 

 

Totally shook!

 

 

Also WATCH OUT MEANIE IN THE HOUSE!

 

But not really, I'm still at work ; . ;

 

hallia confirmed butternut

 

also when you get back from work I expect #werk

 

you don't get a pass this game.

 

 

 

AJ/Tom/Csarmi/GT seem townie to me so far

 

In order of clearedness from feels and magic space junk

 

AJ

Tom/GT

Csarmi

 

no one's sticking out as particularly scummy. Page 7.

 

 

 

[BFG]

fwiw i think Hally is a wolf.

Anything beyond her read on you?

 

Going back several hundred posts - Manbat you cleared her early for 'getting' at you, do you have anything else now other than 'attitude'?

[BFG]

 

 

 

 

 

Ok I've read from EOD1 to current.

 

[v]Hallia[/v]

 

It's hard to believe she's been allowed to get away with soft claiming multiple times without anyone forcing her to take a stance.

I could also lynch Shad.

Why Shad?

 

Is Hallia's soft claim the only reason you're voting her?

 

Didn't like a couple things he said.

Felt kind of fake and like he was trying to direct the course of the conversation.

I realize that's like start of game tier reasoning but it's what you're gonna get from me for better or worse.

 

Yes pretty much.

She did it like 3 times that I know of and probably more that I don't.

 

Can you quote the posts you mean from Shad?

 

Have you played with Hallia before? Why is soft-claiming scummy from Hallia? What about the rest of her play? I can understand a soft claim making you feel worse about someone you're already feeling bad about, but not that being the only reason you feel bad about something, can you explain?

 

 

Yeah I can give me a few mins.

 

And yeah I've played with Hallia a lot.

I think this is the only game I've played with her recently though.

Last one was probably a game on JN ~6 months ago.

 

Soft claiming is scummy from anyone. I don't care if this is her thing if that's what you're getting at.

Is it though? I don't remember her doing this in the past.

 

Rest of her play I can't comment on. 

Although, like I said, I find it troubling the rest of the town hasn't forced her to claim since the soft claims started early day 1.

 

I thought I already explained why I thought soft claiming is scummy? Let me quote it real quick one sec.

 

I remember Hallia doing it as town before and getting 'in trouble' for it, I don't recall her ever doing it as mafia, but I don't have enough familiarity with her mafia game to say she never does it. Point being that for me the action is neutral from Hallia, and I wondered if you think differently.

 

I think I remember you having this stance as town previously, but again I'm going to assume it's neutral as it's a pretty easy thing to maintain consistency on.

 

Re Shad, I can sort of understand, but I guess I feel like it's a little empty, I know you're massively behind and stuff, but it doesn't change the fact that what you're pointing out is small. I don't have much of an opinion on Shad (still) but that's on me at this point.

 

I guess I'll just have to see what else you bring to the table

[BFG]

I'd like to rephrase what I said, I misspoke due to just agreeing with what you said without thinking.

 

Soft claiming isn't scummy.

 

It is a bad idea though.

 

I believe someone who's soft claiming is more likely to be scum than town but townies still do it. Who knows why.

 

I am voting Hallia because I want her to claim not necessarily because I think she's scum.

I can't say I'm a fan of this though. So you want Hallia to claim and from what you've read you think Shad is scummy (or at least looks worst out of the people here) so I'm not sure I understand why you ever vote the person you're null on over the person you feel bad on this may well be a weird thing that's not alignment indicative that we'll never agree on though, if you can try and explain that would be appreciated

[BFG]

Also welcome back, Thane! I'm glad you're feeling better!

 

 

Now I go to do the fun task of ISOing Shad.

Glglgl!

[Nolder]

Shad is a bad feeling.

Hallia is policy.

 

If that makes sense.

 

Shad could be town, he could be mafia, he could be whatever.

And what he's said may not even be indicative of his alignment.

 

What Hallia has done demands a response IMO.

You can't ignore it. Or at least I can't.

[BFG]

I'm out for the day, but I'll be back tonight sometime and will try to power through Day 1 again, or ISO whichever I decide helps more)

 

I reread Day 0 last night and if it counts I don't want to lynch Csarmi, Sooh, Dice pretty much ever. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't currently tinfoiling a little on Dice, but that's in large part because other people are and I want to trust myself more here. The only real issue I have is that I'm remembering less from him rather than more as time passes and this is definitely something I need to look into, particularly if Day 0 doesn't count.

 

Just from this mornings posting Csarmi is pretty much headed towards lock clear status regardless of including his D0, Sooh had a post early D0 that I think requires extremely twisted mafia think to be able to say, but makes all kinds of logic and is incredibly easy to say as town. I remember her Day 1 was strong as well, and I kind of want to say that given I don't recall ever seeing a super-involved mafia Sooh before. The only possible hesitation comes in that Cory/Zander tinfoil there a lot, so it may be that I've never seen her A grade Mafia game. Having said that until I do, I'm going to continue thinking she's town for this sort of play.

[BFG]

Shad is a bad feeling.

Hallia is policy.

 

If that makes sense.

 

Shad could be town, he could be mafia, he could be whatever.

And what he's said may not even be indicative of his alignment.

 

What Hallia has done demands a response IMO.

You can't ignore it. Or at least I can't.

Ok that makes sense. How are you going to move forward from here?

[BFG]

I guess I'll be on periodically on my mobile to stay current

 

Back later :)

[Nolder]

 

Shad is a bad feeling.

Hallia is policy.

 

If that makes sense.

 

Shad could be town, he could be mafia, he could be whatever.

And what he's said may not even be indicative of his alignment.

 

What Hallia has done demands a response IMO.

You can't ignore it. Or at least I can't.

Ok that makes sense. How are you going to move forward from here?

 

I'm not sure yet.

 

I suspect the way this will play out is that Hallia will refuse to claim dictating I keep my vote on her which will look like I'm doing nothing to everyone else until I'm lynched.

That doesn't serve any purpose but if I back off I'll be betraying my own sense of gameplay and look wishy washy to everyone else.

 

It's not a good spot to be in.

I think I'll wait to see what Hallia does.

Maybe she'll come around and realize keeping her role hidden helps nobody at this point.

[BFG]

 

 

Shad is a bad feeling.

Hallia is policy.

 

If that makes sense.

 

Shad could be town, he could be mafia, he could be whatever.

And what he's said may not even be indicative of his alignment.

 

What Hallia has done demands a response IMO.

You can't ignore it. Or at least I can't.

Ok that makes sense. How are you going to move forward from here?

 

I'm not sure yet.

 

I suspect the way this will play out is that Hallia will refuse to claim dictating I keep my vote on her which will look like I'm doing nothing to everyone else until I'm lynched.

That doesn't serve any purpose but if I back off I'll be betraying my own sense of gameplay and look wishy washy to everyone else.

 

It's not a good spot to be in.

I think I'll wait to see what Hallia does.

Maybe she'll come around and realize keeping her role hidden helps nobody at this point.

 

Why so passive?

 

This sounds like you have time to do something, but 'can't' because Hallia's stopping you. But why can't you do something else while maintaining 'pressure' on Hallia?

[Nolder]

I'm not going to be passive but I think that's how people will see it if I'm not jumping my vote around.

[BFG]

Ok, back to seeing what you come up with then

[alannalynn]

I"m trying to gather the energy to read 10 pages of this game to catch up before bed. Hi BFG, Nolder

[Nolder]

Hello Alanna.

[alannalynn]

not happy with you right now, reading the catch up

 

also not going to be around long. 7 hours of work. 4 hours of video lectures/note taking. It's 715 and I'm just about spent for the morning.

 

anything for me while I'm semi active and catching up?

[Nolder]

I didn't think you would be.

[Sooh]

Before I start ISOing Shad I wanted to sort of think about what I'm sussing him for. It's not very substantial prior to my ISO. I do recall a post in which Shad white knighted Hallia early on, and while I don't believe she's mafia anymore I also don't see how he could have been so certain about that at the time he posted that, but I'll look more for that now.

 

Other than that my main problem with Shad atm is that I can see his townie play in some places, but there are times when I feel like he's not being very townie at all. I want to look into whether this is my paranoia or not.

 

I'm ignoring the fact that he posts less than he used to, and does less of his major cases. In his own admission he has less time for the game and he is also burned out, and while it's a good excuse for a scumbag it's also not unlikely that a townie would feel the same way given the speed and volume of DM mafia games these days.

 

That being said; ISO away.

 

D0:

(from my previous notes I see that I had Shad as townie D0)

He seems to be very level headed. Comments on things that are bugging him logically. His case on Eldrick is what sold him to me as townie on D0. Looking closer at him/BFG. (And I just realized ISO function is borked. Thank you DM)

 

Basically the beginning of the BFG/Shad thing is here:

 

 

 

Is that fear I see in your eyes Zander? Is it fear that im reading in the tone of your posts?!

 

AM I A PSYCHIC?!

 

I dont fear anything Im just not gonna be happy when wolves can hide behind your vote Zander idea and mislynch me.

 

The fact that you think wolves are going to follow Lenlo's joke vote from sign up is an implication you don't think Lenlo is mafia at this point.

 

Weird conclusion.  I don't see where Zander's statement denies the possibility that scum!Lenlo might follow pre-roll!Lenlo's joke.

 

He did himself call it a nitpicky thing, which it definitely is. Alignment indicative? I don't know. For Shad it seems like an awfully long time to hold on to something so minor and use that as a basis of suspicion. I can see why BFG would interpret the statement that way. Question now in terms of determining her alignment is how she responded to this. I know nothing stood out for me as I was reading this the first time, but it's something worth paying attention to when/if I decide to go back and read her ISO.

 

More clarification from Shad.

 

Shad - is this detail something that can be cleared up?

Quick cellphone answer, it's basically a semantic issue that we're disagreeing on and I tend to see us always on the same page in this regard as v/v.

 

Zander said wolves were following Lenlo's idea from sign-up (as opposed to Lenlo's vote from game), so I fail to see where the statement suggests he's assuming Lenlo is town.

 

You pointed out a second statement along these lines that I thought might have merit (don't recall the specifics off the top of my head) but you focused on this first one in challenging Zander. I thought it was odd.

 

So far so good. I can't say that I believe he's going over the top with this push.

 

Shad was first on the Eldrick lynch D0. I haven't found anything I would classify as overly wolfy.

 

I'll go into D1 now.

[alannalynn]

 

 

Know that you know my reaction was at least from a Towny mindset how do you feel about Alanna's unvote?

omg Zander you're bringing this back up? lol

I'm actually interested to see your thoughts on BFG, I don't feel like she's been all town-leadery like I always remember from her. I remember it being easier to slot her town in the past games. =/

 

You agreed on Eldrick at that point

Laine because I wanted to move the discussion on from what's effectively Role PM matching, and at that point the options are Sooh asking to join petition or Laine unvoting, and I ask you once, comment again after you've responded and respond to Eldrick then pretty sure I drop it because it's not that interesting and other stuff happens.

 

Because between Laine and Lenlo I'd peg Laine as the one to read the rules

I'm actually okay with your answer that's underlined

 

As for the bold: lolololololol Surprisingly enough, I barely ever read the rules, generally just skim them since it's a waste of time when rules are mostly the same..

 

Ok I've read from EOD1 to current.

 

[v]Hallia[/v]

 

It's hard to believe she's been allowed to get away with soft claiming multiple times without anyone forcing her to take a stance.

I could also lynch Shad.

I'm so confuse. I would never lynch Hally before certain other people and the lurkers. She's been feeling much better to me since I looked over her posts

 

I'm willing to reconsider if you hardclaim.

I don't understand why a hardclaim is important. She's not getting run up, she's not in danger currently of being lynched. If anything you asking her to claim is legit trying to out another town PR when we already have some out in the open and waiting for a mafia's bullet. This is dirty, Nolder. #3364 thankee Eldy

 

#3379 @@Monstr are you saying you don't believe Celeste's claim? I think I'm more likely to believe her based on the unwarranted description of her role (which was annoying).

 

Nolder how about trying to actually scumhunt instead of trying policy lynch probable town?

 

Ok I looked at each vote really quick. 

 

None of them have a lot of meat to them so it's hard to say.

If I had to choose 1 wolf on my train it would be Calder.

Alanna I recall being pretty cool earlier in the game so she's probably fed up with me.

Sooh starting my train is practical, I've been inactive and unhelpful.

 

I don't know what Calder's angle is so that's why I'm picking him out.

He doesn't seem like the type to care about inactives or wanting to eliminate them early so why he's on my train is odd to me.

I agree to the points in bold probably.

 

/stopping at the top of 171 to keep my posts short and sweet

[Nolder]

 

I'm willing to reconsider if you hardclaim.

I don't understand why a hardclaim is important.

 

Because she's leading you on.

She's teasing the prospect of a role in order to trump up her importance to town.

There are very few situations where soft claiming is a good idea.

There are fewer situations where continuing to soft claim after being caught makes sense and this isn't one of them.

 

The only reasonable argument I've heard is that Hallia could attract a bullet.

Fine, if that was her plan cool. There are now several claimed roles including innocent child.

She's not catching a bullet for anyone.

 

She's not getting run up, she's not in danger currently of being lynched.

Maybe she should be.

 

If anything you asking her to claim is legit trying to out another town PR when we already have some out in the open and waiting for a mafia's bullet. This is dirty, Nolder.

That doesn't make any sense. Think about it.

If I was scum I would just continue to lay low and shoot the powers already outed.

[alannalynn]

fwiw i think Hally is a wolf.

Pourquoi?

 

#3407 I <3 iZombie, the girl is such a cutie

 

I think it is Calder, Manbat, Hally. For #reasons.

And they areee? I would guess 1/3, I'm feeling more confident about Hally and I've slotted Monstr town for a while now and nothing's changed, if anything Monstr is looking better

 

THANE SIGHTINGG

 

 

No kill with odd numbers. Whatever happened last night, we just earned a free lynch. :D

Small thing but I don't like that Shad said we earned a free lynch.

We don't know why there was no kill and either way mislynches are always bad.

Day 1 is usually viewed as a crapshoot because there is no prior info to go on but after that mislynches are never acceptable imo.

Just rubs me the wrong way it's not necessarily scummy although I could see a mafia saying this.

 

 

 

 

Csarmi claim or dont. No more messing around.

 

Same with Monstr.

you want a mass full claim?

 

you has the power man.. its on you

Is it ever a great idea to encourage this on D2?

 

I don't like that this is a question. It leaves you wondering whether Shad is for or against it. You think it implies he's against it but you're just applying tone to text. There is no real tone here. Taken at face value he is looking for someone else to justify this instead of taking a stance himself.

I had to rewrite my comment like 5 times for it not to come off insulting: this is the first post of yours that I've liked this game.

 

#3508 killed my Nolder-feels

 

 

[BFG]

Hi Laine :)

 

Nolder - the issue with that is that you're calling out bad play, which you don't appear to even think is scummy. And nor do you seem interested in determining her alignment. And at this point in time you don't seem to be interested in determining Shads either

[BFG]

Laine, I'd appreciate it if you could explain what your doubts are?

 

I guess I may seem reactionary this game,

 

but...

 

I've just watched town lose a game partly because the town members didn't tty to resolve doubts before they became issues.

 

And partly because, even if I'm at one end or another of my town range, ironically you and Zander seem to have me slotted at opposite ends of my town range, I am as far outside of my mafia range as it's possible for me to be, short of being mod-confirmed.