[Advanced] Gods and Demons Mafia - All your souls belong to Shad (Triads win)

[Sooh]

 

Zander, I think if you want people to follow you you have to make a case, and that case has to be more than a gut feeling and her voting pattern.

 

 

Guess its about time to stop being lazy I suppose.

 

Mhm. And same goes for me (not tonight though)

[BFG]

 

 

[v] unvote [/v]

 

[v] BFG [/v]

Why?

 

Because I'm town

 

 

Why not?

 

[BFG]

 

 

Zander, I think if you want people to follow you you have to make a case, and that case has to be more than a gut feeling and her voting pattern.

 

 

Guess its about time to stop being lazy I suppose.

 

Mhm. And same goes for me (not tonight though)

 

Pretty sure you should be elsewhere lol :)

[BFG]

 

 

 

[v] unvote [/v]

 

[v] BFG [/v]

Why?

 

 

Why not?

 

Because I'm town

 

Fixed

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

[v] unvote [/v]

 

[v] BFG [/v]

Why?

 

 

Why not?

 

Because I'm town

 

Fixed

 

 

 

.......wolfy......

[Zander?]

 

 

 

Zander, I think if you want people to follow you you have to make a case, and that case has to be more than a gut feeling and her voting pattern.

 

 

Guess its about time to stop being lazy I suppose.

 

Mhm. And same goes for me (not tonight though)

 

Pretty sure you should be elsewhere lol :)

 

 

VOUCH

[Zander?]

Ugh, this is an awful argument.

 

Zander's posting in purple, means he's either town or mafia have a sample Town role PM, or both /shrug

 

It doesn't clear him, his reaction is pretty extreme though.

 

 

 

Laine's reaction is marginally more interesting, there isn't a majority hammer Day 0, so her unvote is unnecessary, so she's conscious of her vote, but I'm not sure this means much at this point.

 

Know that you know my reaction was at least from a Towny mindset how do you feel about Alanna's unvote?

[Sooh]

 

 

 

 

Zander, I think if you want people to follow you you have to make a case, and that case has to be more than a gut feeling and her voting pattern.

 

 

Guess its about time to stop being lazy I suppose.

 

Mhm. And same goes for me (not tonight though)

 

Pretty sure you should be elsewhere lol :)

 

 

VOUCH

 

On my way

 

 

Also Zan? Stop throwing "wolfy" at people for typos. Really. It's going to bite you in the butt some day.

[BFG]

 

Ugh, this is an awful argument.

 

Zander's posting in purple, means he's either town or mafia have a sample Town role PM, or both /shrug

 

It doesn't clear him, his reaction is pretty extreme though.

 

 

 

Laine's reaction is marginally more interesting, there isn't a majority hammer Day 0, so her unvote is unnecessary, so she's conscious of her vote, but I'm not sure this means much at this point.

 

Know that you know my reaction was at least from a Towny mindset how do you feel about Alanna's unvote?

 

Still the same. It shows she's conscious of her vote, but that could be from town!Laine or mafia!Laine

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

Hi Zander, what do you think about Laine's vote/unvote?

It's been noted. I was under the impression Zander was going down N0. That's why the petition got attention. If he flips scum, I am looking at her for backing off.

 

Serious?

 

Ok, what if he flips town?

 

Then we were wrong. It happens. And we learn something from how people acted about it.

 

If he flips town, it won't make Laine look scummy for unvoting.

 

I don't like this, but I'm not sure why

 

I think it's the lack of responsibility for your vote, it doesn't come off as a joke vote, but I don't get what makes it serious

 

I'm unsure on Laine, her unvote indicates that she's extremely conscious of her vote (and that she hasn't read the rules - oddly enough Lenlo has), but I can see that coming from town and mafia. The reaction is interesting regardless of Zanders flip, but if he flips mafia then she's consciously made a move that links them which would be odd (albeit not unheard of )

 

 

 

Again with the push on Laine's vote.  Also not liking Eld.  Why was odd that Len read the rules and what made you sure Alanna,  Why is it interesting regardless of the flip iyo?

 

Questioning me I obv get atp in the game.  But sussing Eld how is now most likely to be Town and this suss at Alanna is a little off putiing.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

Zander, I think if you want people to follow you you have to make a case, and that case has to be more than a gut feeling and her voting pattern.

 

 

Guess its about time to stop being lazy I suppose.

 

Mhm. And same goes for me (not tonight though)

 

Pretty sure you should be elsewhere lol :)

 

 

VOUCH

 

On my way

 

 

Also Zan? Stop throwing "wolfy" at people for typos. Really. It's going to bite you in the butt some day.

 

 

 

I dont what I want

 

also it was a joke

 

NOW GIVE THAT HUBBY OF YOURS A CUDDLE AND TELL HIM I LOVE HIM....

 

 

You may wanna do that in reverse order but ill leave it to you to decide!!!!

 

loolololololololol

[Zander?]

 

 

Ugh, this is an awful argument.

 

Zander's posting in purple, means he's either town or mafia have a sample Town role PM, or both /shrug

 

It doesn't clear him, his reaction is pretty extreme though.

 

 

 

Laine's reaction is marginally more interesting, there isn't a majority hammer Day 0, so her unvote is unnecessary, so she's conscious of her vote, but I'm not sure this means much at this point.

 

Know that you know my reaction was at least from a Towny mindset how do you feel about Alanna's unvote?

 

Still the same. It shows she's conscious of her vote, but that could be from town!Laine or mafia!Laine

 

 

 

If its null why keep bringing it up?  You do this more then once.

[Eldrick4221]

 

How about we just lunch a wolf today and go from there?

Sounds good, and there's at least one mafia playing

 

Technically speaking, we don't know that. There haven't been any kills.

 

All we know is there are threats to town. Might be a cult game.

[Zander?]

 

@Lenlo

 

Irt Laine unvoting and Zander flipping town.

 

I said she doesn't look scummy for it because she wouldn't have the "he's my teammate. I'm backing of this joke train" vibe

 

If she's scum and he's town, she wouldn't know that. She would only know he isn't on her team. And she would look 'not scum' to me because scum would stay on the train if it wasn't a teammate imo.

Odd, if Laine was mafia and Zander wasn't on her team why wouldn't she know he was town? Odds are extremely good he'd be town not third party in that scenario...

 

 

 

Ofc general odds is that everyone is more likely to be Town then 3rd party but what scenario and why are you talking about directly?

[BFG]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Zander, what do you think about Laine's vote/unvote?

It's been noted. I was under the impression Zander was going down N0. That's why the petition got attention. If he flips scum, I am looking at her for backing off.

 

Serious?

 

Ok, what if he flips town?

 

Then we were wrong. It happens. And we learn something from how people acted about it.

 

If he flips town, it won't make Laine look scummy for unvoting.

 

I don't like this, but I'm not sure why

 

I think it's the lack of responsibility for your vote, it doesn't come off as a joke vote, but I don't get what makes it serious

 

I'm unsure on Laine, her unvote indicates that she's extremely conscious of her vote (and that she hasn't read the rules - oddly enough Lenlo has), but I can see that coming from town and mafia. The reaction is interesting regardless of Zanders flip, but if he flips mafia then she's consciously made a move that links them which would be odd (albeit not unheard of )

 

 

 

Again with the push on Laine's vote.  Also not liking Eld.  Why was odd that Len read the rules and what made you sure Alanna,  Why is it interesting regardless of the flip iyo?

 

Questioning me I obv get atp in the game.  But sussing Eld how is now most likely to be Town and this suss at Alanna is a little off putiing.

 

 

 

 

Ugh, this is an awful argument.

 

Zander's posting in purple, means he's either town or mafia have a sample Town role PM, or both /shrug

 

It doesn't clear him, his reaction is pretty extreme though.

 

 

 

Laine's reaction is marginally more interesting, there isn't a majority hammer Day 0, so her unvote is unnecessary, so she's conscious of her vote, but I'm not sure this means much at this point.

 

Know that you know my reaction was at least from a Towny mindset how do you feel about Alanna's unvote?

 

Still the same. It shows she's conscious of her vote, but that could be from town!Laine or mafia!Laine

 

 

 

If its null why keep bringing it up?  You do this more then once.

 

 

 

 

You agreed on Eldrick at that point

 

Laine because I wanted to move the discussion on from what's effectively Role PM matching, and at that point the options are Sooh asking to join petition or Laine unvoting, and I ask you once, comment again after you've responded and respond to Eldrick then pretty sure I drop it because it's not that interesting and other stuff happens.

 

Because between Laine and Lenlo I'd peg Laine as the one to read the rules

[Zander?]

 

 

Zander, why are you reading Lenlo as mafia at this point?

 

 

Why should I not be?

 

And Ive answered this more then once.

 

On Page 2; you go from saying that wolves will follow Lenlo, implying that Lenlo is town, to saying that Lenlo is mafia because he missed your colour code thing, later you accept his reason for missing it, but still have your vote on him, except now it's for unexplained reasons. You next say 'look at where your vote is' so are finding Lenlo scummy for reasons, but they remain unexplained for a while, now you're voting him because his reaction's 'off' and because he's not noting your meta play, etc, etc and the post where you explained this was immediately before mine, so your multiple explanations don't exist :/

 

I'm not a fan of this progression Tbh. A number of your posts feel calculated, the initial attempt to clear using colour code, the posts he's making about his own meta, particularly the one about OP's.

 

Meh I'm not going to be able to read Zander when he's on the defence like this.

 

Lenlo's position on you is equally odd, but I'm more inclined to lean town at the moment.

 

 

 

Why is Len's position equally odd?

 

I keep feeling like you are quietly pushing at people and seeing what sticks atp.  I could be reading it wrong at this point.

[BFG]

 

 

How about we just lunch a wolf today and go from there?

Sounds good, and there's at least one mafia playing

 

Technically speaking, we don't know that. There haven't been any kills.

 

All we know is there are threats to town. Might be a cult game.

 

I was wondering about this but would there be an IC in a cult game?

[BFG]

 

 

@Lenlo

 

Irt Laine unvoting and Zander flipping town.

 

I said she doesn't look scummy for it because she wouldn't have the "he's my teammate. I'm backing of this joke train" vibe

 

If she's scum and he's town, she wouldn't know that. She would only know he isn't on her team. And she would look 'not scum' to me because scum would stay on the train if it wasn't a teammate imo.

Odd, if Laine was mafia and Zander wasn't on her team why wouldn't she know he was town? Odds are extremely good he'd be town not third party in that scenario...

 

 

 

Ofc general odds is that everyone is more likely to be Town then 3rd party but what scenario and why are you talking about directly?

 

In the scenario that Laine is mafia odds are that she'd know you were town, as chances of you being 3rd are small

[Zander?]

 

I say in my post that you ninja'ed me with an explanation, but MULTIPLE explanations prior to that don't exist, that you hadn't moved on from. I quote your progression above, you go from saying he's mafia because he didn't see the colour stuff, then you accept it, but offer NO other explanation for your read UNTIL the post before mine...

 

I think literally the only other thing you mention about Lenlo in between the two is when you ask him if Yu were defensive in Matrix, but I don't see the relevance here - the only time you were really pushed in that game was from your teammate, so given you're arguing the situations different I don't see the point in this (admittedly my recollection of Matrix isn't great, so maybe I'm missing something)

 

 

Quote below

 

 

Is that fear I see in your eyes Zander? Is it fear that im reading in the tone of your posts?!

 

AM I A PSYCHIC?!

 

I dont fear anything Im just not gonna be happy when wolves can hide behind your vote Zander idea and mislynch me.

 

The fact that you think wolves are going to follow Lenlo's joke vote from sign up is an implication you don't think Lenlo is mafia at this point.

 

 

 

Maybe nothing but this is twice that you claimed something I did which I didnt, the first being the implication but at least a couple others so it the same way so ok. But again with missing points about Lenlo you said you found but had to stretch to see them.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

How about we just lunch a wolf today and go from there?

Sounds good, and there's at least one mafia playing

 

Technically speaking, we don't know that. There haven't been any kills.

 

All we know is there are threats to town. Might be a cult game.

 

I was wondering about this but would there be an IC in a cult game?

 

 

 

MY TOWNY SOUL CANNOT BE CORRUPTED LDO!!!!!!

[BFG]

 

 

 

Zander, why are you reading Lenlo as mafia at this point?

 

 

Why should I not be?

 

And Ive answered this more then once.

 

On Page 2; you go from saying that wolves will follow Lenlo, implying that Lenlo is town, to saying that Lenlo is mafia because he missed your colour code thing, later you accept his reason for missing it, but still have your vote on him, except now it's for unexplained reasons. You next say 'look at where your vote is' so are finding Lenlo scummy for reasons, but they remain unexplained for a while, now you're voting him because his reaction's 'off' and because he's not noting your meta play, etc, etc and the post where you explained this was immediately before mine, so your multiple explanations don't exist :/

 

I'm not a fan of this progression Tbh. A number of your posts feel calculated, the initial attempt to clear using colour code, the posts he's making about his own meta, particularly the one about OP's.

 

Meh I'm not going to be able to read Zander when he's on the defence like this.

 

Lenlo's position on you is equally odd, but I'm more inclined to lean town at the moment.

 

 

 

Why is Len's position equally odd?

 

I keep feeling like you are quietly pushing at people and seeing what sticks atp.  I could be reading it wrong at this point.

 

Because of his certainty. Some of his meta points were weak, but I believed Lenlo could believe them, and his continuing to look elsewhere looked good

[Zander?]

OK I GOTTA BAIL TO DO STUFFS FOR A BIT

 

I WILL CONTINUE MY ISO OF BFG LATER!!!!

[BFG]

 

I say in my post that you ninja'ed me with an explanation, but MULTIPLE explanations prior to that don't exist, that you hadn't moved on from. I quote your progression above, you go from saying he's mafia because he didn't see the colour stuff, then you accept it, but offer NO other explanation for your read UNTIL the post before mine...

 

I think literally the only other thing you mention about Lenlo in between the two is when you ask him if Yu were defensive in Matrix, but I don't see the relevance here - the only time you were really pushed in that game was from your teammate, so given you're arguing the situations different I don't see the point in this (admittedly my recollection of Matrix isn't great, so maybe I'm missing something)

 

 

Quote below

 

 

Is that fear I see in your eyes Zander? Is it fear that im reading in the tone of your posts?!

 

AM I A PSYCHIC?!

 

I dont fear anything Im just not gonna be happy when wolves can hide behind your vote Zander idea and mislynch me.

 

The fact that you think wolves are going to follow Lenlo's joke vote from sign up is an implication you don't think Lenlo is mafia at this point.

 

 

 

Maybe nothing but this is twice that you claimed something I did which I didnt, the first being the implication but at least a couple others so it the same way so ok. But again with missing points about Lenlo you said you found but had to stretch to see them.

 

Not sure what your point is here. This post was from memory and I mentioned everything I remember you saying about Lenlo. I read through the thread and had to ISO you twice to find the points you said you'd made.

[BFG]

OK I GOTTA BAIL TO DO STUFFS FOR A BIT

 

I WILL CONTINUE MY ISO OF BFG LATER!!!!

I think this is going to get tedious pretty quickly TBH.

[monstrman]

Given the threadstate, I think there is most likely one and at most two wolves in the lurkers and the rest are cleared by some players or in various places in the PoE

 

We should lynch a lurker today and if we hit a wolf I think we should lay off of that group for a while because it's probabilistic ally unlikely we will lynch two wolves in a row lynching into the lurkers, and in my opinion it's also probabilistically unlikely we will lynch two wolves in the lurkers tomorrow

 

Because of this I think we should kill inside pral/nolder over thane because pral seems to be here enough to be a topic of conversation and nolder was the counterwagon yesterday