[BASIC/STANDARD] Warcraft: War of the Ancients Mafia - GAME OVER, MAFIA WINS

[Nolder]

 

Ok, I caught upto 30 pages. Not able to do more than that per day.

 

So far, I have a feeling Turin is town. Based on my experience with him, his vote on Shad seems towny. It is usually the sort of reason he votes but as scum, he is not that straightforward. 

So is Nolder. The whole reaction test thing that he did and his insistence to play the way he wants to play says town.

 

I am fine with Zander and SHad too. Zander is more subtle as scum which I don't see in this game. 

Pizza, I only have a couple of games with him and the tone I am seeing is townish. 

 

I am not feeling good about Kaylee. She seems to get convinced very easily - I noticed at least a couple of instance - feeling as if she is trying to get townie points. Playing a very safe game.

 

The interesting thing that I could see is that people were hardly voting till page 24 or so. Turin had a vote, Cass had a joke vote and it was more of discussions. It was almost as if the scum was itching to either follow an easy vote or start a train. THen Lenlo votes Celeste and gives a vibe as if he is testing something. And, Celeste votes Shad (who already had one vote). BOth these sounded a bit forced at that point in game. Don't see them both as wolf.

 

It's legit, he did.

[wish-tree]

Just notes for now, need to actually get through probably half of her posts before I can safely say that these are good conclusions:

 

Kaylee scum game in Frozen:

 

A few observations from just her opening posts-

 

1) comes in with content right away.

2) actively goes after other players who may have posted questionable content.

3) Has a disagreement with another player (Sili) and uses meta to justify her reasoning. 

4) Uses a lot of multiquotes.

5) Picks out certain posts specifically to agree with, little comments here and there.

6) Some indication of not knowing, struggling with reading people.

7) Generalizes what she typically sees as town/scum play when she does make cases on people, however the cases are weak and insubstantial.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Every time I go back to think about a proper response, my mind becomes static. I get flashbacks of all those times dice is wrong but plays badly and is simply a nuisance.

Therefore, I quit. I'll just evaluate him on his content as the day progresses. No need to interact.

[v] Sili [/v]

im quite happy to call Princess Town sili There are distinct differences in his tone when he is mafia. I haven't seen that yet. Ive just seen the energizer bunny Princess


keep bailing sili you said reevaluate AFTER your solid declaration. What? realised that you werent leaving yourself an out?


but you see that vote?? get used to seeing it. Cause its not going anywhere

@Razen Is that Zander post what your calling an attempt to justify his vote?\

and you might wanna quote the right stuff the purple you highlighted? thats NOT me calling Zander town thats me saying sili is whinging because people cleared zander on Tone. Same as he did Sooh. THIS post above is where I call Zander Town.

As for Sili I dont like that original post if youre gonna clear Sooh on tone someone whose tone is not a clear indicator all the time then you cant NOT clear someone for who tone is indicative in the SAME POST.

After that? he got defensive in tone started throwing out the passive aggressive vibes along with insults. 1+1+1 = scum

I think he's scum.

Ok finally able to get on and play! Wanted to start with this quote.

His explanations so far, referring to Dice here, sound like town Dice. In this quote it's the way he phrases it that makes me say town. I'm getting a good feel.

Not sure on Sili yet as I tend to misread him. I'll go back through on the computer where I can multi quote and comment easier.

 

 

 

Let me start off by saying yes, I will be commenting on things that have already been commented on. However, I just got here a bit ago and want to comment on things I would've had I been here in RT. (This will include fluff post since I missed that part). Going to break this up since it won't let me put it all in one. 

 

 

 

I just did.

 

If I could give points, I would for this post

 

Agreed, loved it!

 

 

 

Official Vote Count
Zander (1)--Sooh
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
There is currently no deadline

 

 

Either Zander is delusional or Heart is crazy. Pick which one you want to go with. 

I go for the first. *nods*

 

 

Haha we've started the quote pyramids already--should probably stop to save those who are playing via mobile XD

Yes please, as mostly I'll be on mobile. I can't typically get on the computer like this.

 

 

*sings for Legolas*

 

 

I do believe this is security camera footage of a wet and cold Hallia...

Awesome...just love it!

 

 

Creapiest exchange of that that I've ever seen!!

 

 

 

EBWOP:

But I just wanted to play

 

and now I must play alone

 

these should have been connected, but the quote didn't go through....

alright.... alright....

 

i'll play along:

 

People posting gifs.... genuinly spamming or trying to hide wolfishness? I mean, it's easy to get a laid back look from early game just spamming the thread, right?

 

Good question...seems like trying to start figuring things out. (I don't agree as Sooh likes to play the spam game early games).

 

 

I'm just excited I get to use some of my 56 Frozen gifs and images that I have collected at photobucket. They weren't even collected for this game specifically. If you want to look at some of what you have in store for the rest of this game you can go to here. Also if you want to borrow some you may. 

I think it was a genuine response to Thane. (I don't have a read on her yet, just saying this was genuine).

 

 

 

Ok so game post here    not a fan of this post even tho i agree regarding sooh.  He immediately talks outside both sides of his mouth   but he does give a reason later

 

@Dice, what even is this comment. Do you only agree regarding Sooh. Do you think Zander should be cleared for fluff content?

 

'outside both sides of his mouth, but he gives a reason later' - Is this your conclusion? Wut even is the point of commenting on my post if you know your conclusion is wrong.

 

I thought Dice was clear in that he agrees regarding Sooh.

 

 

 

who said my conclusion is wrong? you come in saying Zanders getting cleared too quick   he basically got cleared for exactly the same reason you cleared sooh in the next sentence.

 

you say its bad one sentence and then do it yourself. Thats definitely talking out both sides of your mouth imo and I dont really see that as a good thing.

 

Even if i do agree that sooh is town based on the same thing you explain later. her tone.

 

But you didnt say that here you just threw out a double standard.

This sounds like town Dice. He sees something he thinks is scummy and jumps all over it.

 

 

 

 

who said my conclusion is wrong? you come in saying Zanders getting cleared too quick   he basically got cleared for exactly the same reason you cleared sooh in the next sentence.

 

you say its bad one sentence and then do it yourself. Thats definitely talking out both sides of your mouth imo and I dont really see that as a good thing.

 

Even if i do agree that sooh is town based on the same thing you explain later. her tone.

 

But you didnt say that here you just threw out a double standard.

So let's be clear here. If you don't have a double standard, you are clearing Zander for faking tone when he spent the last mafia game showcasing how well he could fake tone?

 

And I am not 'clearing' Sooh so don't even.

 

Bold: ummm no. He says you've cleared Sooh since you called her town. I agree that pretty much clears her. Yes you go back later and say otherwise, but saying someone is town basically means you have a read on them which would be clearing them.

 

 

 

 

Note the bold   thats not me saying Zander is town. Your post that I had issue with? It came before I had even posted in the game   and you complained that "people are clearing zander too quick"  My response there in blue is that he was getting cleared bythose people you complained about for the same reason you declared sooh town.

 

I  didnt declare him town  i only voted Princess and +1d a gif

 

I need to wrap my head around this, because I just answered your question. A double standard is common, even, in mafia and you've been around for ages so you should definitely not even raise an eyebrow at it.

 

Or you're just dice.

 

Anyway, Dice, I take it you won't clear Zander even though you're clearing Sooh? Well that's a double standard.

 

I liked Dice's explaination on this. He was being misrepped and said how. Sili on this, I don't know...he's really hard for me to read.

 

 

 

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yeah, I would not lynch Pralaya today.

 

Nolder I know your feelings on the matter. I have been pissed off in a stream of games recently off-site with people not showing up.

 

But he is here and he is posting stuff that looks good.

 

I would narrow it to non-policy lynches. Someone that has been cased.

[Cass]

 

then just go out on a branch with your own reasons for reads and thoughts and the like. Townies arent afraid to be wrong or sound bad nearly as often as Scum are my dear.

Well I've given my POE.

 

Csarmi, Pral, Celeste.

 

Not sure I trust Turin yet bit time will tell and I don't feel comfortable voting a claimed town PR.

 

Csarmi and Pral have been catching up ama giving thoughts, which is good. I want to wait on Pral for now since he is catching up and yes he haS a hard time as either alignment when it's busy. When he's town he's a good asset.

 

Csarmi I haven't read anything that's for me saying "he's town". Still null here could vote here. I'm torn he seems to reading correctly.

 

Celeste I'm more waiting for content to make a better read on her.

 

Wish going with the meta read Shad did ands her recent posts she's higher on null pile. I'm now leaning if one of Celeste/Wish is scum that it'd be Celeste. For lack of content. (Kinda pot and kettle).

 

I could be wrong about my read on Cass or Leno. Those I'm kinda tinfoiling on. Cass because she's fooled before and Leno could easily do the same.

 

Pizza and Alanna are blue reads for me. I just see them being like this as town. The questions they're asking, the follow through...townie.

 

WTL Celeste, Pral or Csarmi. Mostly because of POE.

 

 

 

Kaylee - what's meant by the bold wrt Csarmi??

 

What D1 meta do you have on Pral?

[Askthepizzaguy]

 

I found something really really interesting about Kaylee.

 

I think it's actually something that will completely turn this round around. I think she might be completely caught, and when I explain it, it will be tough for anyone to disagree with the point.

 

It's so ridiculously simple and it's EVERYWHERE in her posting. It's not an isolated wierd incident it's her entire play to date.

 

But before I fire all my lazars, I need help on something:

 

Who here has played with Kaylee a lot? Do you remember a recent villager game of hers?

 

I need to make sure what I'm seeing isn't just Kaylee's.... normal way of doing things.

 

This is so fundamental that I will seriously only need to check one villager game of hers real quick to see if there's a difference.

 

If there is, she's completely caught.

Except I'm town. Let me ask you this... If I'm lynched and flip town, which i will, what then? Who will then be in your pool?

 

 

I'm listening.

 

I saw you village in other games and you weren't shy about naming names.

 

[wish-tree]

In comparison to Kaylee town game in Escape from the Carnival of Horrors:

 

1) More lax, less involved in thread.

2) Posts in piecemeal, smaller phrases (and affirms that it is not due to phone posting that makes her do this)

3) Uses meta to cast initial reads, and is more certain of her reads.

4) Uses specific posts in reference to make those reads.

5) Does not use many multiquotes, and will often be in real time to talk to other players in the thread.

6) Picks out certain posts specifically to agree with (this seems to carry over from her scum game as well, so probably a null tell).

7) Not much indication of not knowing, even engages in wifom with her if I was scum and wanted to recruit scenario.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Crusher, Verb, Nyn and Red I consider ask strong players.

 

 

And Leelou

 

 

Hally, AJ, and Nol can also be good if on their A game.

 

 

Thane tends to come off as scummy regardless of alignment. You I have a hard time reading. I'm an average player. Dice tends to majorly lurk as scum and be more present and make decent cases as town.

 

 

Nyn, Red and Verb tend to fool me the most easily.

 

 

Tina is in the second group just forgot to add her name.

 

 

 

So the mafia recruits before the rand. Then the stronger the mafia player the more tempting the recruit is, so I think it's good to discern their allignments first. I think most people pick at least reasonably competent mafia players as their partners, so commonly held weaker players should get less attention today (i.e. me and dice) since our rand chance is 1 in 13.

I think this approach puts the most pressure on people like nyn, but I think that's for the best. We just need to be cognissant that individuals who are good at being scum are more likely to be scum in this set up. Though this isn't to say we don't take out scummy players if we spot any.

Makes sense to me.

 

 

 

 

Hello 

Feels good to be back in a Mafia game, I can feel the juices flowing already.

I'm with Nyn on this subject. Highly circumstantial and would vary person to person depending on how the randomization went. The part I don't like most specifically is suggesting the focus be on a certain group of players who are considered better than others while the remaining are theoretically given a pass.

I'm not caught up yet since I went to bed early but wanted to comment on this.

I personally have no plans to give anyone a pass. Sili's idea made sense to me in the fact that I always pay more attention to stronger players. As I said before they have the best chance at fooling me.

Secondly it made sense as it's something I'd do as a weaker player.

That said I basically don't trust anyone until I read them as town.

 

 

 

 

 

I think Kaylee had a good opening, considering she seems to have been phone posting so you know... my 2c.

What makes you think she was phone posting and how is that even slightly relevent? lol

Agreed that it has no relevance m

 

 

 

Ok so now that I'm caught up I'm liking Nyn, Nol and AJ so far as town.

Like last game Nyn has the ability to fool me so keeping an eye there.

 

 

 

Another thing that bothered me was the ease which Kaylee was willing to roll with the idea.

I addressed this already this morning but I'll pull the quote for you. I just didn't put my full thoughts on the matter down last night.

 

 

 

 

 

Hello 

Feels good to be back in a Mafia game, I can feel the juices flowing already.

I'm with Nyn on this subject. Highly circumstantial and would vary person to person depending on how the randomization went. The part I don't like most specifically is suggesting the focus be on a certain group of players who are considered better than others while the remaining are theoretically given a pass.

I'm not caught up yet since I went to bed early but wanted to comment on this.

I personally have no plans to give anyone a pass. Sili's idea made sense to me in the fact that I always pay more attention to stronger players. As I said before they have the best chance at fooling me.

Secondly it made sense as it's something I'd do as a weaker player.

That said I basically don't trust anyone until I read them as town.

Here it is AJ

 

 

 

I meant I'd recruit strong players. Those that I think could help me fool others. (Verb, Nyn, Red, Leelou and probably Crusher).

 

 

 

 

No use talking about who we think is "strong" or "weak". All it will do is get people defensive for being picked as strong, or defensive for NOT being picked as strong.

Reading the first few pages, it is not easy to get initial reads. Based on Sili's opening posts, the responses by people like Nyn, AJ, and Nolder are very easily made by town or scum - therefore, I'm marking that entire discussion as null.

Start over.

Who has not checked in yet?

Mainly I'm in agreement with Verbs first part here

So you don't agree that the posts could have been made by either alignment?

 

 

 

 

Kaylee, can you expand on the reads you gave? You said you like AJ, Nol and myself as town. Why?

Verb said you could make the initial posts as either alignment but i got town vibes. Nothing you or AJ has said since has made me feel otherwise.

Also thinking Verb is coming across as town.

 

 

 

[wish-tree]

Now, let's compare those two Kaylees to the Kaylee we have in this game.

 

brb

[wish-tree]

Gosh, now I feel motivated to do this for everyone.

 

Wanna assist by giving me your most recent town & scum games?

[Cass]

 

 

 

lol

 

I actually forgot to make the vote

 

[v] Pralaya [/v]

I'll double down on this since it's seeing some traction.

I like what Pral posted but he's so far behind we need more or it's not good enough.

 

[v]Pral[/v]

 

 

@Nolder 

1. What, specifically, have you liked from whatever Pral has posted? (Why?)

2. 'He's so far behind we need more or it's not good enough' seems reachy - Pls explain why it's important to you/worth a lynch beyond the train gaining traction.

3. Has there been anything of Pral's you actually dislike?

1) I'm just impressed with the amount of catch up he's done. If it's real.

2) I don't understand what you mean by reachy. Can you rephrase?

3) No. He hasn't really posted many thoughts.

 

 

1 & 3  - ok

 

2. You cast a vote on a player after commenting that you liked what they had posted. I don't understand the thought process there, I don't believe 'he's so far behind we need more' is really good enough justification for a vote if you were liking the player's content. Seemed like you were looking for an excuse to vote, ie reaching.

 

That's why I asked you to explain why it was important to you/worth a lynch beyond gaining traction.

[Askthepizzaguy]

 

She's multiquoting and pushing her own cases.

I said in sign ups I wouldn't be doing that this game. Don't have that kind of time.

 

 

This I don't follow at all. You're one of the most present players this game and you're here for long stretches posting a lot.

 

If there's anything seriously wrong with your defense, this is a thing.

 

This is not an excuse.

[Kaylee]

Ok back.

 

Sorry for the massive dip in ITT activity. Here's what's been going on:

 

For me this game is really an exercise in improving my ability to actually Town. I've been waiting a long time for this chance so I'm trying to make the most of it behind the scenes with the time I have.

 

Cory's had me going through the thread assigning "simple" + / - to every post that stands out to me in an attempt to help me get better at determining what's actually likely to be important and what's not. That might seem simple but my head is a messy space and I actually find making snap decisions/decisions at really, really hard.

 

Here's where I'm at right now:

 

I'm floundering, like I always do if I'm behind, about what's the best thing I can be doing ITT at this point. Think I get too caught up on the fact that I AM behind in everything (reading, notes, responses direct/indirect) and the fact that my understanding of the game is therefore not as good as possible.

 

I have no idea what the current vote count is and I'm not fully across current discussion but have superficially determined that:

 

1. Pizza has called for Kaylee lynch

2. There's a debate about lynch/don't lynch inactives (ie Pral)

3. Zander still gunning for Wish

4. Nothing has been done about Csarmi

 

Yolo thoughts on these are:

1. Pizza has seemed Towny all game but there is a chance he's Pizza Scum, because Pizza.

Kaylee responding well and giving opinions on new content which is positive in any case but null in relation to her alignment.

 

2. Pral should not be given a pass today if fighting back is not something he does as a Villager on D1

 

3. Zander/Wish Irrelevant - Neither of them are in the immediate PoE/slots that should/will be voted out today. Looking at PoE, Wish higher because conviction on Celeste likely true - no great motive for this as Scum. Sheeping Wish somewhat with Celeste read, my own initial gut reactions/recent game, plus zero doubt that Wish reads Celeste well. (Kinda freaky ?chances both of them are scum? - check this out D2. WRT Celeste, has she actually earned her place above Laine/Zander? Laine and Zander both working hard, wavering on both, both possibly Scum. Why am I giving Zander a pass?)

 

 

 

My reads/leans (based up to p. 50 with +/- and then skimming forwards of ~73 when I can) is currently

 

Shad/Lenlo

Pizza

Wish/Celeste/Laine/Zander

Kaylee/Nolder

Pral/Csarmi

 

This is slightly different to Cory's own reads, FWIW.

I'm going to try something different, accept that there's things I've missed and work with what I've got for now.

 

Current evolution on bottom four:

I still feel Kaylee maybe mimicking scum game - She's fairly passive from what I've seen. Pattern of question, accept answer; question, accept answer; move on could just be Town quietly evaluating, could be Scum coasting/not committing (COULD RE-READ SCUM GAME TO BE MORE SURE?). Main players I remember that happening with were Turin and Celeste, who I felt were scummy at the time. Possible that there was a fair bit of associative bias with read on Kaylee at the time I posted last reads list. Didn't really take into consideration that Turin claimed Town and Celeste is null-town with a slight chance of being scum in my own reads.

 

Nolder seemed overtly scummy with focus on gun question/catchups etc. Had a lot of gut minuses but perhaps less pertinent than I thought? Not as confident in that read now, since I've been maybe picking up on a switch in attitude (there was some sarcasm at his own early methods etc and recent game skim read showing more involvement in the thread). I initially put him lower than Pral because I was factoring in Pral's inactivity being 'normal' for him. Switch in attitude might be sign of Town Nolder playing TWTBAW early on? Should self resolve if Town so ?give more time?

 

Pral's inactive as usual, initially in the PoE for that alone. I've seen reports of effort at catching up, am unsure how effective these have really been.

I've only played with Town Pral and I don't think I've ever seen him this interested in D1. Can't recall if he's ever been considered for the lynch.

******** ?Does Scum Pral fight harder than Town Pral to avoid lynching on D1?*********

Csarmi is being more active, but he's still not NOT HUNTING SCUM. Possibly overwhelmed but I doubt it. Possibly overtly mimicking scum game in being too easy/eager to please? (Need to read his scum game to be SURE!!!!!)

******* DOES CSARMI look to please/stay this agreeable with people D1 as Town as well as Scum?

 

 

 

My preference from where I'm at right now would be to

*** Lynch Csarmi/Pral today ***

What you said about me is what someone said. Esp the question accept thing. That gives me pause about you and furthers tinfoil.

 

The rest I can see you're trying to figure out. Esp since I have a similar wtl pile.

[Askthepizzaguy]

 

Page 83.  If Pizza is Scum he deserves to win this game.  Only way I EVEN consider voting him is if hes still alive coming down to end game.

That's unfortunate.

I'm still pretty convinced he's scum.

He came out of nowhere with this Kaylee thing because he suddenly "noticed" something but who was he going to case before that happened?

If Kaylee doesn't gain enough traction will he switch to his #2? Is he going to tunnel Kaylee now that he thinks he's got her?

 

There are a lot of aspects about his case I don't like.

And that's in addition to the other things I don't like about his play so far. 

 

 

Wow, this is a disastrously wrong way to read me.

 

What do you think a villager who ISO's someone and notices something askew is going to do?

 

This is as null as it gets and pathetically wrong on me in particular. I never do this kinda crap on day one as scum. EVER.

[wish-tree]

Okay, guys...

 

Kaylee is probably town.

 

My English major senses are tingling.

 

But of course, it could be a major ploy to change her writing/posting style. BUT

 

Most people are not cognizant of this and would not actively change this. It's not natural to do so.

 

Posting observations shortly.

[Nolder]

 

 

 

 

lol

 

I actually forgot to make the vote

 

[v] Pralaya [/v]

I'll double down on this since it's seeing some traction.

I like what Pral posted but he's so far behind we need more or it's not good enough.

 

[v]Pral[/v]

 

 

@Nolder 

1. What, specifically, have you liked from whatever Pral has posted? (Why?)

2. 'He's so far behind we need more or it's not good enough' seems reachy - Pls explain why it's important to you/worth a lynch beyond the train gaining traction.

3. Has there been anything of Pral's you actually dislike?

1) I'm just impressed with the amount of catch up he's done. If it's real.

2) I don't understand what you mean by reachy. Can you rephrase?

3) No. He hasn't really posted many thoughts.

 

 

1 & 3  - ok

 

2. You cast a vote on a player after commenting that you liked what they had posted. I don't understand the thought process there, I don't believe 'he's so far behind we need more' is really good enough justification for a vote if you were liking the player's content. Seemed like you were looking for an excuse to vote, ie reaching.

 

That's why I asked you to explain why it was important to you/worth a lynch beyond gaining traction.

 

Oh ok well I see your hang up now. It's not that I like what he posted it's that I liked he was posting.

[Nolder]

 

 

She's multiquoting and pushing her own cases.

I said in sign ups I wouldn't be doing that this game. Don't have that kind of time.

 

 

This I don't follow at all. You're one of the most present players this game and you're here for long stretches posting a lot.

 

If there's anything seriously wrong with your defense, this is a thing.

 

This is not an excuse.

 

I think she's on mobile a lot.

She has presence but not the ability to do as much with it as someone on PC.

[Cass]

Yeah, I would not lynch Pralaya today.

 

Nolder I know your feelings on the matter. I have been pissed off in a stream of games recently off-site with people not showing up.

 

But he is here and he is posting stuff that looks good.

 

I would narrow it to non-policy lynches. Someone that has been cased.

 

This is fair enough IMO. Any chance you can take a deeper look at Csarmi/Pral?

 

 

@Salami, if it looks like you're getting lynched today and you are town, i want you to character claim even if VT. 

 

Shad - Tress always provides safe claims as a mod...

 

 

 

Ok back.

 

Sorry for the massive dip in ITT activity. Here's what's been going on:

 

For me this game is really an exercise in improving my ability to actually Town. I've been waiting a long time for this chance so I'm trying to make the most of it behind the scenes with the time I have.

 

Cory's had me going through the thread assigning "simple" + / - to every post that stands out to me in an attempt to help me get better at determining what's actually likely to be important and what's not. That might seem simple but my head is a messy space and I actually find making snap decisions/decisions at really, really hard.

 

Here's where I'm at right now:

 

I'm floundering, like I always do if I'm behind, about what's the best thing I can be doing ITT at this point. Think I get too caught up on the fact that I AM behind in everything (reading, notes, responses direct/indirect) and the fact that my understanding of the game is therefore not as good as possible.

 

I have no idea what the current vote count is and I'm not fully across current discussion but have superficially determined that:

 

1. Pizza has called for Kaylee lynch

2. There's a debate about lynch/don't lynch inactives (ie Pral)

3. Zander still gunning for Wish

4. Nothing has been done about Csarmi

 

Yolo thoughts on these are:

1. Pizza has seemed Towny all game but there is a chance he's Pizza Scum, because Pizza.

Kaylee responding well and giving opinions on new content which is positive in any case but null in relation to her alignment. 

 

2. Pral should not be given a pass today if fighting back is not something he does as a Villager on D1

 

3. Zander/Wish Irrelevant - Neither of them are in the immediate PoE/slots that should/will be voted out today. Looking at PoE, Wish higher because conviction on Celeste likely true - no great motive for this as Scum. Sheeping Wish somewhat with Celeste read, my own initial gut reactions/recent game, plus zero doubt that Wish reads Celeste well. (Kinda freaky ?chances both of them are scum? - check this out D2. WRT Celeste, has she actually earned her place above Laine/Zander? Laine and Zander both working hard, wavering on both, both possibly Scum. Why am I giving Zander a pass?)

 

 

 

My reads/leans (based up to p. 50 with +/- and then skimming forwards of ~73 when I can) is currently

 

Shad/Lenlo

Pizza

Wish/Celeste/Laine/Zander

Kaylee/Nolder

Pral/Csarmi

 

This is slightly different to Cory's own reads, FWIW.

I'm going to try something different, accept that there's things I've missed and work with what I've got for now.

 

Current evolution on bottom four:

I still feel Kaylee maybe mimicking scum game - She's fairly passive from what I've seen. Pattern of question, accept answer; question, accept answer; move on could just be Town quietly evaluating, could be Scum coasting/not committing (COULD RE-READ SCUM GAME TO BE MORE SURE?).  Main players I remember that happening with were Turin and Celeste, who I felt were scummy at the time. Possible that there was a fair bit of associative bias with read on Kaylee at the time I posted last reads list. Didn't really take into consideration that Turin claimed Town and Celeste is null-town with a slight chance of being scum in my own reads.

 

Nolder seemed overtly scummy with focus on gun question/catchups etc. Had a lot of gut minuses but perhaps less pertinent than I thought? Not as confident in that read now, since I've been maybe picking up on a switch in attitude (there was some sarcasm at his own early methods etc and recent game skim read showing more involvement in the thread). I initially put him lower than Pral because I was factoring in Pral's inactivity being 'normal' for him. Switch in attitude might be sign of Town Nolder playing TWTBAW early on? Should self resolve if Town so ?give more time?

 

Pral's inactive as usual, initially in the PoE for that alone. I've seen reports of effort at catching up, am unsure how effective these have really been.

I've only played with Town Pral and I don't think I've ever seen him this interested in D1. Can't recall if he's ever been considered for the lynch. 

******** ?Does Scum Pral fight harder than Town Pral to avoid lynching on D1?*********

Csarmi is being more active, but he's still not NOT HUNTING SCUM. Possibly overwhelmed but I doubt it. Possibly overtly mimicking scum game in being too easy/eager to please? (Need to read his scum game to be SURE!!!!!)

******* DOES CSARMI look to please/stay this agreeable with people D1 as Town as well as Scum?

 

 

 

 

My preference from where I'm at right now would be to 

*** Lynch Csarmi/Pral today ***

 

 

 

this is a lot of confusing to follow.

 

 

Focus on the bit below the spoiler. 

 

Done.

 

But yeah, welcome to the untamed madness of my tired mind!!!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Alanna are you going to lynch our claimed Doc?

 

Cass where are you?

 

Nomi will you move your vote if no one else wants to lynch Kaylee? Who will you vote if you do?

 

Probably one of the folks who aren't willing to lynch Kaylee.

 

[Cass]

 

 

 

 

 

lol

 

I actually forgot to make the vote

 

[v] Pralaya [/v]

I'll double down on this since it's seeing some traction.

I like what Pral posted but he's so far behind we need more or it's not good enough.

 

[v]Pral[/v]

 

 

@Nolder 

1. What, specifically, have you liked from whatever Pral has posted? (Why?)

2. 'He's so far behind we need more or it's not good enough' seems reachy - Pls explain why it's important to you/worth a lynch beyond the train gaining traction.

3. Has there been anything of Pral's you actually dislike?

1) I'm just impressed with the amount of catch up he's done. If it's real.

2) I don't understand what you mean by reachy. Can you rephrase?

3) No. He hasn't really posted many thoughts.

 

 

1 & 3  - ok

 

2. You cast a vote on a player after commenting that you liked what they had posted. I don't understand the thought process there, I don't believe 'he's so far behind we need more' is really good enough justification for a vote if you were liking the player's content. Seemed like you were looking for an excuse to vote, ie reaching.

 

That's why I asked you to explain why it was important to you/worth a lynch beyond gaining traction.

 

Oh ok well I see your hang up now. It's not that I like what he posted it's that I liked he was posting.

 

 

So then answer the question you've missed twice now (in bold/underline) ...

[Celeste]

My main concern with holder is he is feeling off in his posts like I got in Rustlemania. I don't know why he seems off to me but he does. Also what is the basic setup here?

[Cass]

 

 

Ok back.

 

Sorry for the massive dip in ITT activity. Here's what's been going on:

 

For me this game is really an exercise in improving my ability to actually Town. I've been waiting a long time for this chance so I'm trying to make the most of it behind the scenes with the time I have.

 

Cory's had me going through the thread assigning "simple" + / - to every post that stands out to me in an attempt to help me get better at determining what's actually likely to be important and what's not. That might seem simple but my head is a messy space and I actually find making snap decisions/decisions at really, really hard.

 

Here's where I'm at right now:

 

I'm floundering, like I always do if I'm behind, about what's the best thing I can be doing ITT at this point. Think I get too caught up on the fact that I AM behind in everything (reading, notes, responses direct/indirect) and the fact that my understanding of the game is therefore not as good as possible.

 

I have no idea what the current vote count is and I'm not fully across current discussion but have superficially determined that:

 

1. Pizza has called for Kaylee lynch

2. There's a debate about lynch/don't lynch inactives (ie Pral)

3. Zander still gunning for Wish

4. Nothing has been done about Csarmi

 

Yolo thoughts on these are:

1. Pizza has seemed Towny all game but there is a chance he's Pizza Scum, because Pizza.

Kaylee responding well and giving opinions on new content which is positive in any case but null in relation to her alignment.

 

2. Pral should not be given a pass today if fighting back is not something he does as a Villager on D1

 

3. Zander/Wish Irrelevant - Neither of them are in the immediate PoE/slots that should/will be voted out today. Looking at PoE, Wish higher because conviction on Celeste likely true - no great motive for this as Scum. Sheeping Wish somewhat with Celeste read, my own initial gut reactions/recent game, plus zero doubt that Wish reads Celeste well. (Kinda freaky ?chances both of them are scum? - check this out D2. WRT Celeste, has she actually earned her place above Laine/Zander? Laine and Zander both working hard, wavering on both, both possibly Scum. Why am I giving Zander a pass?)

 

 

 

My reads/leans (based up to p. 50 with +/- and then skimming forwards of ~73 when I can) is currently

 

Shad/Lenlo

Pizza

Wish/Celeste/Laine/Zander

Kaylee/Nolder

Pral/Csarmi

 

This is slightly different to Cory's own reads, FWIW.

I'm going to try something different, accept that there's things I've missed and work with what I've got for now.

 

Current evolution on bottom four:

I still feel Kaylee maybe mimicking scum game - She's fairly passive from what I've seen. Pattern of question, accept answer; question, accept answer; move on could just be Town quietly evaluating, could be Scum coasting/not committing (COULD RE-READ SCUM GAME TO BE MORE SURE?). Main players I remember that happening with were Turin and Celeste, who I felt were scummy at the time. Possible that there was a fair bit of associative bias with read on Kaylee at the time I posted last reads list. Didn't really take into consideration that Turin claimed Town and Celeste is null-town with a slight chance of being scum in my own reads.

 

Nolder seemed overtly scummy with focus on gun question/catchups etc. Had a lot of gut minuses but perhaps less pertinent than I thought? Not as confident in that read now, since I've been maybe picking up on a switch in attitude (there was some sarcasm at his own early methods etc and recent game skim read showing more involvement in the thread). I initially put him lower than Pral because I was factoring in Pral's inactivity being 'normal' for him. Switch in attitude might be sign of Town Nolder playing TWTBAW early on? Should self resolve if Town so ?give more time?

 

Pral's inactive as usual, initially in the PoE for that alone. I've seen reports of effort at catching up, am unsure how effective these have really been.

I've only played with Town Pral and I don't think I've ever seen him this interested in D1. Can't recall if he's ever been considered for the lynch.

******** ?Does Scum Pral fight harder than Town Pral to avoid lynching on D1?*********

Csarmi is being more active, but he's still not NOT HUNTING SCUM. Possibly overwhelmed but I doubt it. Possibly overtly mimicking scum game in being too easy/eager to please? (Need to read his scum game to be SURE!!!!!)

******* DOES CSARMI look to please/stay this agreeable with people D1 as Town as well as Scum?

 

 

 

My preference from where I'm at right now would be to

*** Lynch Csarmi/Pral today ***

 

What you said about me is what someone said. Esp the question accept thing. That gives me pause about you and furthers tinfoil.

 

The rest I can see you're trying to figure out. Esp since I have a similar wtl pile.

 

 

Understandable if I haven't actually stated so ITT. Still something I came up with/noted on my own, and considered at some length *shrug*

I'm not shiny this time Kaylee - Promise!

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'd lynch Csarmi today if not Kaylee.

 

Of those who didn't want to lynch her, he looks the worst.

[Kaylee]

 

 

My WTL would be kaylee, wish or lenlo.

 

Actually, I would [v]Kaylee[/v]

 

Late night here. I may be available at deadline tomorrow depending on when I wake up.

Are you basing this on pizza's case?

I think I was already in his POE.

[Celeste]

Nolder*

[Kaylee]

I talked similar things about Kaylee much before Pizza made his case. His was more detailed though.

Guess that means you didn't like anything said since.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Specifically, the reasons given for not wanting to lynch Kaylee felt like someone who knows, despite my casing of Kaylee (is good case, convinced me anyway) that it's somehow still wrong.

 

He didn't even really begin to consider it. But he kept feeding me data to hammer her with, like a good little scum.

 

This overshadows my original read on him being csarming and helpful.