[BASIC/STANDARD] Warcraft: War of the Ancients Mafia - GAME OVER, MAFIA WINS

[Lenlo]

Sorry, it's late, night ramblings Cory doesn't think he looks like you I'm not wrong I'm not crazy

Tell him not everyone can be this handsome.

[wish-tree]

Uhhhh lollll

 

I'm not a creeper

I just remember things and may misattribute them

[wish-tree]

Okay, it was you

 

 

I knew it

 

Awesome, I'm not crazy

 

I'll pass your message along to Cory

[Nolder]

Uhhhh lollll I'm not a creeper I just remember things and may misattribute them

jfc I badly misread this post.

[Nolder]

Hi, Nolder, lol.

Hello.

[Askthepizzaguy]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT 

 

Turin (1): Laine, 

 

 Wish (2): Zander, Turin

 

Csarmi (1): Cass

 

Pralaya (3): Wish, Nolder, Lenlo

 

Kaylee (1): Pizza

 

 

Not voting (5): Shad, Csarmi, Pral, Celeste, Kaylee

 

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

DAY ONE WILL END AT 10:00 PM MST (MIDNIGHT EASTERN) ON WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 6.

http://www.timeandda...t=cursive&csz=1

 

Didn't Pralaya have 4 votes on Day One at one point?

 

Am I mis-remembering? When did that happen if it did?

 

Who voted for Pralaya day one, whether it was at the same time or not?

 

I remember not supporting that wagon purely because it seemed easy and it was probable to have a scum on it. But with the game's progression since then, I think Pra had three townies voting for him.

 

Or four. Can't remember the other one if there was one.

 

Can someone help me find all the votes for Pralaya all game long? I did searches but it keeps turning up garbage.

 

[Shad_]

 

Yes. I get he disagrees, but not seeing it as a possibility is what I don't get from him.

 

Pralaya, can you explain why you don't see Cass being town as a possibility? (Or alternatively, if I'm interpreting you incorrectly, why you don't understand Shad's theory?)

 

Come out and play, Nolder, as well. How does Pralaya's towniness go up or down because of this? 

 

Lenlo, you can't just slack off after you've claimed. Help out by thinking things through and doing some hunting. 

 

Celeste, I need you to make an effort. A lot of people do not know how to read you, and it's not my responsibility to lock clear you. 

 

Placing my vote on Pralaya for now. I think Celeste's theory is interesting -- that Pralaya doesn't react very much to pressure votes. Let's play and find out, eh?

 

[v] Pralaya [/v]

 

 

Blue, if you are town, and you know from experience that Celeste is like 99% town, then it is still your responsibility to step up to the plate for her to an extent.  Not saying you haven't.  Just saying.  Town!Celeste has an obligation to try her best to town tell.  Town!Wish has an obligation to make sure we don't lose by lynching townies.  And scum!Wish doesn't get a free pass to take a back seat and go "I told you so" after the fact.  Make sense?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza, I read 25% of your ramble. I'm confused. /offtopic stuff

 

I wouldn't read any of my posts right now.

 

When people ask me questions I give what's in my head. Whether it's useful or not, it's what my brain is thinking.

[wish-tree]

I started the wagon. Nolder joined next. Lenlo joined because he felt bad for Nolder? Not sure what happened after that. Can't do it because I'm on Tapatalk.

[Nolder]

I think it was 3 votes. Mighta been 4 though idk.

[wish-tree]

@Shad- I said as much before. Just want her to step up her game because I know she can do it.

 

 

[Nolder]

Wish what is your current read on Celeste?

[Shad_]

/nod, just wanted to be clear on that.

[Lenlo]

[v]Pral[/v]

 

Getting close to 50 pages Pral.

Keep up or die.

 

 

lol

 

I actually forgot to make the vote

 

[v] Pralaya [/v]

 

 

 

lol

 

I actually forgot to make the vote

 

[v] Pralaya [/v]

I'll double down on this since it's seeing some traction.

I like what Pral posted but he's so far behind we need more or it's not good enough.

 

[v]Pral[/v]

 

 

 

uuuuugh fine

 

[unvote][v]Pral[/v]

 

Lets do something.

Heres all the D1 Pral votes, didnt get the unvotes or VCs

[wish-tree]

Wooot. It's 1:31 AM. :( Okay, I sleep now. I want people to look into my convo(?) with Pralaya about wagons and csarmi.

[wish-tree]

@Nolder: town core

 

@everyone else: sleeeep T.T

[wish-tree]

Steal pizza woosah

Wooooosah night

[Shad_]

 

 

 

 

 

Gun to head I'm going to say Pral is town.

I wish there was more content to work with but sometimes gotta make tough call.

 

Ok who's next?

Shad how about you. Ok let's go.

Ok.

 

Talk to me.  What are your concerns?

 

 

Let's start here and hopefully I'll have more for you tomorrow night.

 

#15/16 - Weird to mention all the players you do and don't have meta on right at the start. Like you're setting up excuses for mislynches on townies maybe. (-1)

 

#617 - Gives reads list. Weird that he has Csarmi at the top. Says he explained it but may have missed the explanation. (0)

 

#799 - Basing his read on Celeste off how Wish acts. This doesn't bother me later in the game when connections are being made but it seems very early to me to draw these kinds of conclusions. (-0.5)

 

These are your old notes iirc.  Have you advanced on any of these thoughts so far?

 

Blue -- I named you, Lenlo, Laine, Zander as the people I think I can read well.  What has my approach to these four people done to strengthen or lessen your concern?

 

Green -- It was definitely a bad reason, as things panned out, but I explained it again later.  I don't know if I explicitly stated "this was my original reason" or if I just reiterated the reason, but did anything about my treatment of csarmi towards the end of D1 ping you?

 

Red -- I am still basing a lot of my Celeste read on the same principle.  What are your thoughts on Wish/Celeste interaction?

 

No. I cancelled my note taking at the start of the day. It was taking up too much of my time.

 

1) You're not addressing my concern you're just stating a fact and then asking me a question. Deflection?

 

2) Towards the end? Not that I recall. I was more focused on Nomi than you though.

 

3) This doesn't address my concern with you basing your read on Celeste off Wish so early in the game. I've already stated I think it's weird how Wish and Celeste link themselves every game but I guess that's their thing. Don't think it's alignment indicative. 

 

 

 

1) How am I not addressing your concern?  What is your concern, if not precisely what I addressed?

 

3) If I understand you correctly: you think Wish/Celeste is sort of like Zander/Laine and Wish will always white knight her?  The action has no real implications?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think it was 3 votes. Mighta been 4 though idk.

 

I was feeling sketchy about you at the time and Pralaya's posts had good tone.

 

Lenlo was also good, but wasn't in my blue camp, and I didn't like the way he hopped on the wagon.

 

And Wish, at the time, I had a couple of villager points for, but this was before Csarmi and Zander flipped, so I wasn't sure Wish was even a villager then.

 

Why I wanted to look elsewhere D1 and give Pralaya a chance to shine.

 

But as I sit here, with:

 

1) Myself lock clear

2) Shad lock clear

3) Wish blue

4) Alanna blue

5) Cass blue with a slight tinge of green

6) Lenlo now resolved

7) Lean against Nolder being scum

8) Lean against Kaylee being scum

9) Nolder/Pralaya NOT Wolf-Wolf in my notes

10) Move Celeste out of my bottom 1 spot due to hunches, her posts, and Zander's behavior toward her, and especially, hers toward Zander

 

Leaves:

 

Pralaya.

 

And if we're looking for godfather/roleblocker/valuable remaining scumbag, 3 votes by villagers onto Pralaya day one, not followed up on by Csarmi or Zander, would be condemning enough for Pralaya given the villager list I have.

[Shad_]

Apparently while Ollie was throwing a fit before bed I missed like 4-5 pages of content.

[Celeste]

Lenny you didn't answer my question.

[Lenlo]

Im good with a Pral lynch for today. Who should I view tonight? Im thinking Celeste but im tempted by the tinfoil of Cass.

[Askthepizzaguy]

That bottom sentence should probably be highlighted.

 

The wolves did not want to lynch Pralaya day one at all, if Wish, Nolder, and Lenlo are all resolved.

 

That explains why Zander was kind of stuck on Wish for so long.

 

Zander wolf has more options than to be nailed down to one suspect.

 

And if there are two wolves left and the other is Celeste, it would explain why he didn't push that one harder when people gave Celeste more time.

 

So, bottom two would be Celeste/Pralaya, with Pralaya given priority due to the larger possibility he's the Godfather/roleblocker role that the wolves didn't want dead.

 

Yes? No?

[Lenlo]

Sounds good to me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Im good with a Pral lynch for today. Who should I view tonight? Im thinking Celeste but im tempted by the tinfoil of Cass.

 

If Pralaya flips scum Godfather or roleblocker, Nolder is lock clear blue.

 

View Alanna, and we'll just POE Celeste, now that I think about it.