[Advanced] Nightmare Before Christmas - Town Wins!

[Nolder]

Xander we've had these weird moments where you think I'm doing something I'm not like 2 or 3 times now.

Do we really play that differently or are you purposely trying to ascribe motives to my actions that don't make any sense?

[Zander?]

Well I'm caught up to when I joined the game now...

 

YOU CAN DO ITTTTTTTT!!!!

 

 

I want to review the thread before casting my final vote.

I may put it back on Lenlo in the end.

 

why unvote if hes your top scum read though.  It looks like you know your case, point and reasoning were bad and are trying to draw yourself away from it.

[Lenlo]

 

#686 Attention as of post #686 Nolder has turned tail and run. He has realized he was wrong, but instead of owning up to it he runs away to hide behind the skirts of "others". He waits for them to form his defense for him, rather than making one himself and he continues to not talk about anything else of relevance.

 

This has been a PSA from your neighborhood Lenlo. Stay safe town and remember, always lynch wolves.

HAHAHAHA

 

I'm sure you'd like nothing better than to bog the thread down in argument but I'm not going to bite.

You are wrong and it's obvious you're wrong. You're avoiding giving your thoughts.

Big mistake and it's going to get you lynched eventually. 

I don't have any reason to continue the conversation but maybe you do.

 

You have yet to prove me wrong. You have yet to say how I am wrong. You have yet to address the issue of me answering your question and then you putting another question in its place. You are running away from a battle you cant win and then trying to blame it on me by saying I want to bog down the thread. Bog it down with what? a legitimate discussion that could determine two alignments? You dont want that? You dont want to try and catch me in a lie, a slip, a misrep, anything? You just wanna unvote me and wait for someone else to agree with you?

 

You say its obvious but no one agrees with you. You say I am avoiding giving my thoughts yet no one agrees with you. Your wrong.

YOU are the one obviously wrong.

YOU are the one avoiding giving thoughts by running away from the one case you bothered to build and then saying your gonna "review the thread".

 

Stop running Nolder. Talk to someone. You say I am scum yet you give up on your own case on me, the only case youve bothered to build. Its pitiful.

 

Lets lynch this turkey.

 

[unvote][v]Nolder[/v]

[Zander?]

Xander we've had these weird moments where you think I'm doing something I'm not like 2 or 3 times now.

Do we really play that differently or are you purposely trying to ascribe motives to my actions that don't make any sense?

 

First off...Nobody plays like me except me. lolololololol

 

Secondly Ive explained what I feel like your doing.  And also the exact same could be said of what you think Im doing as what youve been doing to Lenlo....

 

Thirdly learn to speak fluent Zanderese and it should all make sense to you.

[Shad_]

No you didnt. I said I had posted thoughts on you/pizza/bob. You asked for quotes. You never specified they had to be about your small chat about what games he used.

I don't remember it that way.

 

Nolder I have posted my thoughts on the you/Pizza/NotBob situation.

[Nolder]

 

Well I'm caught up to when I joined the game now...

 

YOU CAN DO ITTTTTTTT!!!!

 

 

I want to review the thread before casting my final vote.

I may put it back on Lenlo in the end.

 

why unvote if hes your top scum read though.  It looks like you know your case, point and reasoning were bad and are trying to draw yourself away from it.

 

It looks to me like you're putting words in my mouth because I don't believe any of those things to be the case.

[Lenlo]

Shad, that quote is what I said?

[Nolder]

Lol, you already voted me Lenlo.

Keep trying surely next time you'll get a rise out of me.

[Lenlo]

 

Im not misrepping you. Now please, go read through the thread and come back with some content. Gimme your thoughts on the Nolder/NotBob/Pizza situation for instance. Show me the towny in you, instead of whining at me every time I call you scum in a game.

Note this is still without giving his own.

Anyone else see the pattern?

 

 

 

The back and forth you had consisted almost entirely of you arguing about what games he was referencing and which ones he should reference instead. So no, it didnt.

 

My motivation was to get him to lock down his case into something concrete we can reference later so if we lynch you and you flip town, he cant back pedal on his case. By getting him to lock down what it was we make it harder for him in the future to wiggle around.

 

Nolder I have posted my thoughts on the you/Pizza/NotBob situation.

 

 

 

The back and forth you had consisted almost entirely of you arguing about what games he was referencing and which ones he should reference instead. So no, it didnt.

 

My motivation was to get him to lock down his case into something concrete we can reference later so if we lynch you and you flip town, he cant back pedal on his case. By getting him to lock down what it was we make it harder for him in the future to wiggle around.

 

Nolder I have posted my thoughts on the you/Pizza/NotBob situation.

Sniped!

 

Have you? Link or quote please because I don't remember you doing anything but asking others what they thought.

 

In succession.

[Lenlo]

Lol, you already voted me Lenlo.

Keep trying surely next time you'll get a rise out of me.

I would like to get something out of you, yes. Something useful rather than this pile of crap we currently have though.

[Lenlo]

Shad, do you remember anything Nolder has done? How bout you Zander? Aj? Pizza? BFG? Dice? Snow?

 

Dude has the 5th highest number of posts, yet the least content.

[Zander?]

 

 

Well I'm caught up to when I joined the game now...

 

YOU CAN DO ITTTTTTTT!!!!

 

 

I want to review the thread before casting my final vote.

I may put it back on Lenlo in the end.

 

why unvote if hes your top scum read though.  It looks like you know your case, point and reasoning were bad and are trying to draw yourself away from it.

 

It looks to me like you're putting words in my mouth because I don't believe any of those things to be the case.

 

 

WTH Nol??  You didnt unvote Len?  While saying he was your top scum read (hence why your vote was there) then saying you'd come back to possibly voting him after others weigh in??  Cause unless Im drunk (which im not) Im pretty sure that's exactly what happened.  How the hell am I putting words in your mouth by me giving MY opinion on what youre doing???!!!

 

Being outed as scum sucks doesnt brother.  it's ok if you tell us your teammates I'll go easier on you.

 

......Maybe

 

lololololololol

[Zander?]

Shad, do you remember anything Nolder has done? How bout you Zander? Aj? Pizza? BFG? Dice? Snow?

 

Dude has the 5th highest number of posts, yet the least content.

 

 

tbf he may prolly have mentioned other stuff but hes tunneled you pretty Zander like thus far.  Anyone who has more experience can touch on if this is a common thing for Nol and if so which alignment its indicative of but feeeeeeeling pretty damn sure he's a howling wolf atp.

[Shad_]

p27, I'm incredibly apathetic to the fact that I misread Thane last game, and I'm going to say he's probably town here.

[Shad_]

Shad, that quote is what I said?

 

Then we're just reading it differently, and I'm ok with that.

[Askthepizzaguy]

 

@Shad - could you phrase your question a little differently? I'm not sure exactly what you're asking. Basically what I was saying is that I would've thought very highly of NotBob is he would've countered Pizza by reaffirming his stance with the counterpoint Nolder pointed out. It was something I had considered during the debate and I think it would've been a reasonable defense on NB's part instead of how he sort of threw shade at Pizza

 

Well, Pizza's argument began along the lines of "town wouldn't care that I want to lynch someone in their null pile, but scum would take advantage" and quickly evolved to something more like "town might care, but they would engage me on the subject rather than passively disagreeing".  He's wrong in the first instance and not necessarily right in the second (though it may hold true more often than not), but in either case "why aren't you considering the possibility that NotBob could be town?" isn't a direct path into the issue.

 

Here's a terrible but simple example: I say "Tab has been quiet.  Only scum are quiet.  Therefor Tab is scum."  Nolder's question challenges the conclusion, but the flaw is in the premise.  Nolder raising his particular question at least conveys some element of disagreement from a potential town.  NotBob raising it doesn't really convey anything at all, unless you think scum!NotBob would say "damn, you got me".

 

But I'm saying this a few hours after reading Pizza's posts, so maybe I've gotten my facts confused.

 

 

 

This line of thinking is so nuanced and specific, and deals with such a minor point but one that is clearly important to you, that I have to give you a strong town lean for it.

 

I'm trying to find different reasons to clear or condemn each person, so the behaviors which cleared or condemned those individuals can't be predicted or avoided.

 

You get the town-specific thought process tell. Welcome to my town.

[Lenlo]

Pizza, whats your take on the thing with Nolder that just happened? You had a case against him prior, what say you now?

[Shad_]

Shad, do you remember anything Nolder has done? How bout you Zander? Aj? Pizza? BFG? Dice? Snow?

 

Dude has the 5th highest number of posts, yet the least content.

 

I don't remember the details of a lot of what Nolder has done because 1) his arguments are hard to follow and 2) he's been pretty deeply involved in the discussions.

 

In other words, I think you're completely wrong here.  Doesn't change the fact that I'm leaning scum on him though.

[Lenlo]

I disagree, but alright. I feel he has been involved but has been saying the same things over and over without much evolution, or whatever a good word is progression maybe, on his views.

[Leelou]

Vote Count

 

Snow (2) - Dice, AJ

Taborline (2) - Zander, NotBob
Nolder (1) - Lenlo 
Zander (1) - Snow
Thane (1) - Pizza

 

Not Voting - Taborline, BFG, Thane, Shad
 

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline Wednesday 4 pm Pacific Time (GMT -8 hours)


 

 

I think this is right. If not, I blame Clov. 

[Nolder]

Being recruited to watch a movie I'll bbl.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@ Zander, I'm quoting this in full since the context is important: Hopefully the spoiler tags will work with a quote.

 

 

 

 

These aren't in order, I'm just tabbing stuff I will respond to.
 

I understand NotBob being a 'closed' player. What gave you the impression that this applied to Nolder at the time?

His delayed and substance-free start. Last game I looked at where he was town, he dove right in and began playing with everyone. In this one, his beginning matched his closed off scum game style.

Now, my accusation prompted activity from him, and after that engagement ended since it was essentially a sophisticated "nuh uh" from him, he made some observations on others.

That's different, and closer to what I want from him if he's a townie, but the bar is higher than what I've seen.

Oh, Pizza, my comment above on lurking, I definitely understand your perspective. And if someone straight up lies, like excusing an absence as they didn't have computer access while they were clearly active elsewhere, it's a good catch. I just don't think it indicates much of anything in the short term. Over the course of multiple days/phases, yeah, and there are a few players here I've learned to read by their lack of substantive thoughts when given more than ample time to form them.

If my concern about Nolder is a gallon bucket of water, my dismissal of the suggestion he was just sleeping because I saw a public post elsewhere in the interim, is about a thimble full.

The comment was merely to suggest that such a defense, (made by a player not named Nolder, mind) is not valid. Had very little to do with my suspicions, but it didn't help matters. It was null to mildly scummy, whereas his play to date at the time was a bucket of scum.

His argument method with me afterward is about three buckets of scum.

I'm dismayed he isn't more of a candidate but I can't control how people feel. So, I'm not going to tilt at a windmill all day long, time is wasting, and if he's somehow a townie despite his behavior, I'm not just wasting my time, I'm counterproductive.

 

The exact opposite of the bold is the truth. Last game NotBob was Town was Diablo. He popped in a couple hours before DL voted me saying he didnt even read anything, And only posted a few times that Day. I feel like you should know this if you looked back at the game Pizza.

What Scum game where you looking at of NotBobs to get his "closed off scum" style. The game I played with him and he was scum was the exact opposite of that which is how I feel he's playing more like here.

 

 

I think you missed that I'm talking about Nolder here, not NotBob. Unless you had a different point to make and I'm not clear on that.

 

[Shad_]

Ok looking at Tab there just isn't much to see yet.

 

She's got seven posts so far but idk if that's from a lack of trying to just business in her life. I don't remember her being particularly high volume in our last game either so I don't think that's a tell.

 

From what I can gather she has a town read on Pizza and Dice which I think are sort of obvious observations.

 

She expresses some concern about Lenlo that I don't really get or find issue with from Lenlo, but I do remember her taking similar issue with Clov in our last game for doing something similar and she was a villager there.

 

End result: need a lot more content to make a solid call. She isn't particularly scummy outside of the stigma of low volume but none of the stuff she's done is townie either. If the cards were down I don't think I'd have issue lynching her atp

 

My back of the head tinfoil was you and Pizza w/w.  I think I can lay that one to rest.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza, thoughts on the bastard if you haven't given any yet.  If you already did then nevermind, I'll get there soon enough.

Which player?

[Shad_]

in fact who here ISNT excited about SW?? Put your hand up so we can lynch you now

 

/hand