[Standard] The Matrix Reloaded - Game Over

[Sili Quirrels]

because the type of analysis was engaged despite your absence. plus i think the analysis shows an attention to detail.

[BFG]

Ok

[alannalynn]

Reading through ISOs, I want to pull my hair out.

[Sili Quirrels]

It shows you're paying attention and to me anyway thats all that matters.

[alannalynn]

because the type of analysis was engaged despite your absence. plus i think the analysis shows an attention to detail.

I want to see sustained engagement before I give her a town lean. I haven't seen wolf!BFG but I'm pretty sure if she's anything like town!BFG she can do in depth analysis, but only to a certain point.

[alannalynn]

It shows you're paying attention and to me anyway thats all that matters.

I read this as "you're paying attention to me anyway that's all that matters" lol I was like, Sili getting full of himself! and rolled my eyes but then I realized what it actually said. >_>

[Sili Quirrels]

its fine laaaaaaaaaaaaine :P

 

also i said rand town

 

but that aside i might upgrade bfg to town, i dunno. i think bfg reading and catching up to such an extent is a good sign.

[Yates]

On the phone so cant check, who advocated Rack shooting Pral over Sooh?

Cory.

 

I compromised in agreement. But tbf, I was pretty sure Rack was lying atp.

[Yates]

Cause im curious if that list matchs up with those jumping ship over to me, when it was a real possibility that Rack could shoot Sooh.

 

Cause get this: If Sooh is scum and Rack is going to shoot them, then it is in scums best interest to lynch someone other than Rack /OR/ convince him to shoot someone else so as to save a teammate. Cause the push on me never really built until Rack announced his role.

 

Thoughts?

This is why I think you're Town this game. I think this is a reasonable line of thought. When I have more time I'll try to remember to go back and find a full list.

[Yates]

Peeks will happen.  Night kills will happen.  We've got this unless like, Lenlo is right about Zander deepwolfing us or there are two scum between Cory/Clov/Yates.  Doubtful.

At *least* one of those 3 is going to be a NK. Maybe not tonight but by N2 barring claim shens. Bank on that.

[Yates]

What have I done that is scummy?

Asking questions like "what have I done that looks scummy" looks scummy.

 

A better question is really for yourself, "what can I do to make myself more obviously Town?"

 

Of course, the other way of going about it is to just ask what needs clarification since if you are Town anything you say is coming from a TPOV and you should be able to explain without issue.

[alannalynn]

Lenlo ISO incoming (y)

 

Other ISOs pending.. because alanna tired af

[Thane Vakarian]

 

i will not be around much this weekend, halloween celebrations and all.

 

Rack wasn't lying it seemed. It's good to know how he works, should we ever have another game together. I think him being an unknown to most got him killed, so it'll be interesting to see who overly pushed him, and who didn't. 

 

Sucks for Pral not to have made it to D2. He's quite unlucky lately.

 

i'll peek in every now and then, and am looking forward to start D2. It'll be game on then.     

1. yes, obviously he wasn't lying. did you figure this out just now?

 

2. it is good, but nows not really the time to focus on his meta.

 

3. yes, if ppl knew him better he probably wouldnt have been lynched.

 

4. how does this 'itll be interesting to see who pushed him' follow from the rest of the sentence?

 

5. whats the point of this post? a sitrep for the game?

 

Bro, so awkward and hamfisted and forced and i want to kill you right now right here. it sends all the wrong signals to me and i remember your wolf game is this. just this.

 

the point of this post? We need to look into how Rack went down, and perhaps find the wolves (or lack of)

 

this was by far a forced post, bro. True, i'm busy and such, perhaps it reads into my way of posting, but you shouldn't want to kill me just yet

[Thane Vakarian]

Looking forward to more Laine ITT

 

pretty much convinced that cory is town, and you would be as well then

[Thane Vakarian]

 

Peeks will happen.  Night kills will happen.  We've got this unless like, Lenlo is right about Zander deepwolfing us or there are two scum between Cory/Clov/Yates.  Doubtful.

At *least* one of those 3 is going to be a NK. Maybe not tonight but by N2 barring claim shens. Bank on that.

 

the better you play as a townie, the more likely you'll be as a NK target. It is known.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

i will not be around much this weekend, halloween celebrations and all.

 

Rack wasn't lying it seemed. It's good to know how he works, should we ever have another game together. I think him being an unknown to most got him killed, so it'll be interesting to see who overly pushed him, and who didn't. 

 

Sucks for Pral not to have made it to D2. He's quite unlucky lately.

 

i'll peek in every now and then, and am looking forward to start D2. It'll be game on then.     

1. yes, obviously he wasn't lying. did you figure this out just now?

 

2. it is good, but nows not really the time to focus on his meta.

 

3. yes, if ppl knew him better he probably wouldnt have been lynched.

 

4. how does this 'itll be interesting to see who pushed him' follow from the rest of the sentence?

 

5. whats the point of this post? a sitrep for the game?

 

Bro, so awkward and hamfisted and forced and i want to kill you right now right here. it sends all the wrong signals to me and i remember your wolf game is this. just this.

 

the point of this post? We need to look into how Rack went down, and perhaps find the wolves (or lack of)

 

this was by far a forced post, bro. True, i'm busy and such, perhaps it reads into my way of posting, but you shouldn't want to kill me just yet

 

uhm. rack went down because 5-9 villagers thought he was an acceptable vote.

[Thane Vakarian]

The puzzle is to figure out which one isn't that townie, Sili. I'll try to read back at who voted with which reason

[alannalynn]

Honestly I started getting tired the further down I got in his ISO :/  So probably less and less coherent?

 

Lenlo ISO
Page 1:
- first post still bugs me, I think I said something before of it being forced and just bleh
- votes Corlanna with a "get in here" - this starts the Zander feud? lol
- this post comes off a bit frustrated/annoyed(?) to me but he did have Zander/Yates/Rack/Sili(?) pushing him if I recall correctly
- Same as above with this post; I'm hesitant to say TOAN because lolCory and I can't read TOAN but just bleh so far 
- It's funny because his other posts around where he's responding to accusations aren't really bothering me too much
- This is probably the first good post from him all game: he's responding to Clov about some reads, asking questions (specifically about sooh)
- Lenlo's reads list. I mentioned wanting to look at this a bit closer. I don't fully AGREE with the reads (especially the scums, besides Sooh) but I do find his notes getting there easy to follow and I appreciate that he even put up a list so early d1. Shows he's working to solve. @LENLO can you put up a more current and ordered list?  Do you still feel the same about Thane?  
- I do like that Lenlo is working with Thane, that's not a bother, but his responses to Zander are all awful. You two shouldn't be in a game together, ever.

Page 2-3
-Some back and forth with Zander, which is annoying (I'm resisting the urge to just skim it all)
-Interactions with Shad/Sili; waiting on word from Rack, sus of Corlanna.
-States issue with Zander: using jokes as a smokescreen, following posts pushes Zander to provide "original content"    **What you have to understand about Zander is that it's literally his personality that you have a problem with. It's just who Zander is. He jokes, he spams, he defends me whole heartedly (BFF-towns ldo) and that's how it is. I've been bugging him to articulate better what he's trying to explain in game and I think he's made good progress. Before he would just point at quote and say "look" or say "I quoted that like 10 pages ago lololol" but I actually see effort here and him (trying) to clearly explain his thought process. I consider that to be good and coming from a town!Zander. I can't exactly pinpoint what is different with his scum game because I've only been in a game with him as scum once (Belichick), but there IS a difference there that I feel confident in noticing over time. So, I'm not saying to drop your case against him, but maybe hold back on calling him mafia purely because you don't like how he plays or that he's too jokey. Quite frankly, the back and forth between the two of you is distracting and annoying and I'd rather find scum than lisen to you bicker all damn game.
- This post. Zander and I will defend each other. It's how we feel each other out and gauge the other's alignment. This is normal. So Zander will ALWAYS vote someone who votes me. Fwiw, I have Zander slotted strong town this game, he's not going to get lynched on my watch. 
- This post is just a lack of meta knowledge, imo. And all out of order coming from Rack. so meh
- After agreeing to Rack's viewpoint on Zander, votes Rack when his responses aren't good enough.
- spammy gifs
- I like this
- Puts bottom three as Zander, Sooh/Rack
- Again getting on to the Zander blame: I feel like this is going both ways, but Lenlo is accusing Zander of constantly bringing the disagreements between them back to light. Again, annoying.

Page 4-5
-Once again, another one of these posts. I think this is a townie move: Lenlo is choosing to look elsewhere and pull away from the tunnel, which is a good thing. He wants to solve. I wish I could see some cases though and not just votes.
- not happy to be low on my list
- Again pushing the blame on Zander. This comment gets me though "I also have yet to see an argument saying Zander is town that isn't 99% meta dependent." Kinda true, but meta reads work most of the time. Personally I think Zander is doing better than usual on content
- A few good posts asking about reads, engaging with Thane
- Zander is now "you know who" lol Zander = Voldemort
- (alanna skimming a little bc eyes tired)
- bottom 4: Zander, Corlanna, Sooh/BFG

Okay.. thoughts. I think Lenlo started out pretty rough. His beginning stuff (esp the first post) felt very fake and then he came under some pressure which he didn't really take well but he seemed frustrted to be getting the attention. Other than that a lot of his posts are taken up by arguments with Zander, which are frankly getting old. The basis of them is that Zander has no original content and is getting cleared purely for his personality and meta reasons, which I fully disagree with. Zander on the other hand is just calling Lenlo a wolf over and over again, which  is basically his case(?), but I'm not really seeing a wolf here. Zander is a gut reader, Lenlo goes for content, I'm not surprised they're butting heads. I think once Lenlo got out of the limelight, he kept working on a solve despite Zander's pushes and eventually stopped being so reactive towards Zander. I feel comfortable taking Lenlo out of my scum reads for now as long as I see some progression day 2 from him on his reads.

[alannalynn]

I also want to get through a Sooh/Dice/Hally ISO before d2 as well.

[Thane Vakarian]

*hands laine coffee and a minifridge filled with booze*

[alannalynn]

*hands laine coffee and a minifridge filled with booze*

ohhhh soooo tempting! But I've got to go to bed. Probably wont check back in until after work tomorrow, around 5-6am. I need to do homework at some point too :/

[Thane Vakarian]

goodnight then Laine :) sleep well and wake

[Clovdyx]

Replying to 2160 by BFG (quoting would be an eyesore).

 

Your point about me (and probably Cory, fwiw, though I would guess he's out of his current wolf range for some things to Yates) is valid enough - I've made no posts this game I couldn't make as mafia. You've seen the two posts in my entire history that scum!Clov is incapable of (though I'm not sure if you know the more recent...).

 

I'm not sure what exactly you're thinking of with the tone, I would have to see the examples. I believe the split trains thing was the discussion I had with Sili (?) About where Sooh(?) Would have voted for pres a few days back. You'll have to explain your concerns there?

 

The thing to Sooh was meant to be somewhat aggressive because it was such a knee jerk response from. her. I knew what it was in response to, but she made it seem like she was being persecuted. O don't remember anyone even pushing her (or any specific low poster at the time), as much as just not clearing.

 

Disagree with you strongly about Cory not showing an interest. I didn't lay enough attention to rags after a certain point, but I feel his approach is similar enough to what I would expect. I have NO trouble believing town!Cory would stop people from giving me towncrdd for, well, anything :P

 

(Love you, broseph)

[Clovdyx]

Wrong, I have nothing to say because I have bad thread recall at this point /shrug

  

Lol ninja

  

 

rand town status approved bfg.

Why?

These posts actually make me feel relatively better about her :)

 

To touch on what Alanna suggested, I think she's fully capable of displaying a "town mentality" of catching up and analyzing as mafia, but I think the impact isn't the same. She went back and re-read a lot as town in Harry Potter, and she used it to CFD onto mafia. In TUS she caught up a lot but it didn't "go anywhere" (at least to the same extent)

 

So its not really the effort or volunteer shes writing. What impact does it have? And is she engsgingengsging, or is she just reacting?

[Clovdyx]

Those quoted are mostly empty content, but at least she's making an effort to say something.

 

Bottom is pretty interesting though. Not sure that she's tricky enough to reject a town read as mafia when she's been mostly absent.