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  On 11/8/2015 at 7:06 AM, dicetosser1 said:

@ sili

 

 

  On 11/7/2015 at 12:00 AM, dicetosser1 said:

 

  On 11/6/2015 at 4:15 PM, cory caboose said:

 

  On 11/6/2015 at 4:13 PM, ReleaseTheEvil said:

See, this is more interesting. Given that no scum have died, what I want to know then is how were the hammers on each of those days? I know Day 2. I know Day 3. What happened on Day 1? Would scum so obviously be saving him each time? Cause then we should know at least 3 members: Lenlo, Hallia, and the person who saved him Day 1

 

On day one the Lenlo wagon was very late as Rack claimed Vengeful Townie with like an hour to go. Which caused a rush and a CFD attempt on Lenlo led mostly by Zander and Nomi.

 

Dice hammered with like ten minutes left in the phase to prevent a no lynch IIRC.

 

 

it has taken me 2 hrs to catch up and this has already been answered. Len was on at L-4 or something.

 

  On 11/6/2015 at 6:02 PM, Taborline said:

 

  On 11/6/2015 at 6:01 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 11/6/2015 at 12:07 PM, Taborline said:

 

  On 11/6/2015 at 8:56 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

Anyway. Cory is misreading halia pralaya rack sooh. Do not clear him when he is this wrong.

 

How do you feel about Laine?

 

 

Alanna GOAT ldo!!!!

 

 

But about her alignment!

 

 

Tab asking that of Zander is a waste of ure typing.

 

 

 

  On 11/7/2015 at 12:02 AM, dicetosser1 said:

@ yates    how did RTE scum claim? cause he had you and cory at the bottom of his list?

 

 

  On 11/7/2015 at 12:02 AM, dicetosser1 said:

gday cory. hows it goin?

 

 

  On 11/7/2015 at 12:12 AM, dicetosser1 said:

about to go see if my packers won last week. lol  and catch up on flash ballers and SW   got a SW date with my daughter tonight for Jedi

 

 

those are since lens HAMMER  + the two already dfiscussed. They were just before nol posted the flip.

 

if you gonna try goin the low poster route.....DONT.  cause its crap and cause I will just point you in another direction for that rubbish.

 

i'll explain.

 

i noticed some good tone in your post, but the read is predicated on the sequence of your posts since lenlo's flip. if you had been around longer the tone might not have been as significant.

 

although this is a lazy read, it's safe to say you're town.

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  On 11/8/2015 at 7:23 AM, Shad_ said:

I sincerely doubt that Thane is scum in this game.  I wouldn't lynch him short of a red peek.

yeah, it's more likely i'm underestimating hallia than thane being scum.

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I don't think there is necessarily scum between Thane and Hallia, just that they can't be w/w.

 

But I would lynch Hallia between the two of them if it came to that without much hesitation.

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  On 11/8/2015 at 7:58 AM, Shad_ said:

I don't think there is necessarily scum between Thane and Hallia, just that they can't be w/w.

 

But I would lynch Hallia between the two of them if it came to that without much hesitation.

then you must think cory or yates are scum?

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  On 11/8/2015 at 7:58 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 11/8/2015 at 7:58 AM, Shad_ said:

I don't think there is necessarily scum between Thane and Hallia, just that they can't be w/w.

 

But I would lynch Hallia between the two of them if it came to that without much hesitation.

then you must think cory or yates are scum?

 

That's kind of a leap.

 

Here's my look at it:

 

Yates is entirely capable of replicating his tone as scum, and I have seen him gamble on his reputation as a good player. He's the sort of player who would do things like defend a fairly outed team mate to buy an extra mislynch, banking on a fallback to 'Yates is too good to do anything that blatant. Everyone makes a bad read once in a while'. I don't know if that's his norm, but it was how he approached the one game I saw him as scum in. Unfortunately, that leaves me in the awkward position of instinctively sussing him any time he's wrong in a big way or does something eccentric. Between supporting Lenlo and tossing out his reads for Clov's, I got it pretty well locked in my head that he's scum and it's a feeling I really doubt I'm going to be able to shake.

 

I've played a lot of games with Thane now and he's never shown quite the same face in any of them, but there was a sort of apathy I saw in my one game with him as scum that just is not present here, at all. He's a highly meta-based read and I only have one game of scum meta to go on, so it's a little bit of a gamble on my end to say that Thane is always going to slug along and play like he just wants to get the game over with and move on when he rands scum. I have no idea what a scum!Thane who actually wants to win looks like. But there are other things with him. There is a consistency to how he reacts to certain situations as town, and he's maintained that consistency in this game. So I'm basing my town read on the idea that 1) scum!Thane is less likely to possess the will to try this hard and 2) scum!Thane won't be able to replicate his behavior this well.

 

Hallia is a really flaky gut read for me. I've seen her play strong town games but not often. Her weak town games and her scum games are pretty similar. It leaves me instinctively hesitant to lynch her because I feel like it's a 1/4 shot half the time. It also leaves me looking for telltale signs of towniness and weighing them stronger than I really should, for as easily as they can be replicated. Like when I thought her Pral vote was townish for her--how easy is it for someone to remember they're scum reading Cory and toss in a quick preface of "I feel better about Cory" to avoid inconsistency? Anyone can do that. I weigh it too heavily in her favor. Ultimately, she should probably be lynched for the simple fact that Lenlo was scum and she dropped that early hammer on Sooh. Hallia doesn't play a deep game as scum and that sort of move is not twtbaw for her imo--though I've always outed her for bad bussing, not bad protecting. My gut says maybe town but it's a garbage read--especially considering I had a similar feeling about her last game until her bad hammer on her scum mate D1.

 

Tab did a lot of things to try and derail Lenlo's lynch and her reasons were terrible. The conspiracy theory she concocted for voting Sooh over Lenlo was a really big stretch, and she followed it up with two totally contradictory posts. When it looked like Lenlo was guaranteed to be the D3 lynch, she treated it as though it was a known fact that he was scum. Then, at a point when it looked like he might not go down D3 after all, she flipped back to not wanting to lynch him based on Thane's argument that the speed with which he was getting strung up felt slimy. I don't even know how to put the necessary amount of insanity this process takes to be town concisely: D2 she thinks Thane and Lenlo are scum, but because Thane doesn't vote Lenlo she votes with Thane on Sooh under the assumption that Thane will always bus. When that theory falls through, she says Lenlo has to be scum. Then when Thane tries to stop the Lenlo lynch D3, she says he has a good point and rolls with him. Tab has no actual read on Thane. There's no way around this. No town player would ever forget to consider the possibility that their top two scum reads could be team mates. Especially no town player who is thinking deep enough to concoct the D2 theory. My only hesitance irt Tab is that I have zero experience with her, but if she's town it's beyond twtbaw. It would be the most illogical honest thought process I have ever seen in this game. We can't not lynch that and there is no excuse to not string her up tomorrow.

 

With RTE, I'm banking a lot on Cory tbh. I am accepting that he is town and therefor that his read on BFG is well informed. I am also taking the hard statistics he threw out into consideration. I hated that BFG waited until after a town player was mislynched to pop in and say she's have voted the scum player. I once lynched Sooh for doing pretty much the exact same thing, and I was right. I also felt she might have sheeped Clov's leading question at Sooh early D2, because it was a question very few people would think to ask. I also hated how RTE tried to brush off Lenlo's lynch as an "info" lynch. I would call it a blatant lie had he not just subbed into the game.

 

Dice is always a non-conventional read but he's done the things that I expect him to do as town and I don't want to get into it. Cory has been reading him town too, and I'm trusting Cory. I could go back and see what Clov thought about him. Maybe I will later if it comes to that. But ultimately I just have to trust myself on Dice and until I'm wrong I'm probably right. I misread him our first game together because Dice is Dice. I've been right ever since, and I've probably read his scum game in Harry Potter (or was it British Monarchy) like six times at this point in my mafia career.

 

Everyone else convinced me that they were town a long time ago. Yes yes, anyone could be scum, but this is how I roll with clears: if you've done enough that I won't feel embarrassed if I lose to you, then I don't mind locking you in at this point in the game. You can always still blow it, but you have to really blow it.

 

Bottom line:

 

Tab is obvious scum.

RTE is probably scum.

Final one is probably between Hallia and Yates.

 

Don't exit that pool until those four are resolved by death or a peek imo. Probably wouldn't even go outside of that based on a town peek unless we've caught the Godfather.

 

Thane and Dice are very long shots and I think they're town.

Cory and Sili are extremely long shots and I think they're town.

If Zander is scum lololol holy crap you were amazing bro.

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  On 11/8/2015 at 9:35 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

he reminds me of me. the same sort of 3lite reasoning.

of course he explains it a lot better, and i don't think there was ever a time when i cared to read as much as he does, but i do like the sort of arguments he makes.

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Her "whatever" comment when she finally voted Len is still throwing me a different signal, but it's a really petty thing to backpeddle on. I'm committing to this one.

Posted

God just kill me tonight and get it over with. I can see myself spending an hour on her tomorrow even though I know she'll still be at the bottom of my POE when I'm done.

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I'm probably just feeling icky because I was pretty mean so I really really don't want to be wrong.

 

Tab, if you are town I'm sure you thought things through in a way that makes way more sense than I'm giving you credit for. It's just a matter of not explaining where your thoughts changed at key moments.

 

But you're probably scum so... >_>

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Caught up. I've my mind up between Tab and Hallia for the moment. I'm always so hesitant on Hallia and would echo what Thane has said about her so far. I don't find it so weird that she's ignoring and not responding to things. She's done this both as town and scum. Which makes it harder to figure her out. She tends to start games with a good amount of town cred to her name but this game looks like she might have exhausted it by this point. I think Thane is town here. Haven't seen anything to make me think otherwise since joining the game.

 

Yates is my #1 deep wolf pick, by far. His recent long post was either genuine town wanting to pick up his game, or what I could much more easily see as a scum post plying for town cred and using some AtE.

 

Cory I really need to look through my games because I can't believe it's been that long since we played. You must have played in the BT or something recently? Definitely can't have been that long. I was referring to your off the handle emotional posts. You've come back down to earth since (or are just too busy working) but those are the posts I have so much trouble with as town. Since my last comment on that though you've reigned it in which is helpful.

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After losing contact with the rest of the crew during the raid on the meeting Link decided he couldn't be anymore help as an Operator and jacked himself into The Matrix. The first place he thought to look was with The Oracle since Morpheus would always seek her council in times of need but he found the apartment ransacked. Luckily he knew the location of her safehouse and made his way there next. He knocked on the door a couple times but after no answer he tried the knob and found it open. He walked inside and found The Oracle sitting at a table playing solitaire. "Have a seat honey they'll be here in a minute." The Oracle said without looking up. "Morpheus?" He said, as he pulled a chair. "Oh no, not Morpheus." Link had a deep sense of foreboding and pulled his pistol from his pants. The Oracle finally stopped her game and gave him a look. "That's not going to save us this time. It's too late son." With that the house exploded in a hail of bullets. After a minute it stopped and two pale figures stepped through what remained of the door to inspect the scene. The Oracle was dead in her chair from a bullet in the head and Link was on the ground struggling to breathe from the blood pouring into his lungs. One of the pale men walked over to link and pulled a large handgun from his jacket. Link started to rise knowing he had to fight but it was like The Oracle said it was too late. BANG! The pale man fired once and put Link out of his misery. Then he nodded to the other man and they left.

 

Taborline, Link, Watcher has been killed

 

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Shad, The Oracle, 1x Role Cop has been killed

 

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